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Ranchhoddas:
Neither of you is wrong, or right. My point is we make our own morality, bible or not.

Ranchhoddas:
I don't have an opinion on whether he's right or wrong. We make our own morality.

Choose one.

HardMirror:
It would lead to more research and development that would better lives and society.

A good example is medicine. Knowing that there is no God to miraculously heal has lead to man helping himself. We have been progressing in developing medications, vaccines, surgical procedures to save lives.

Amputees have more hope relying on science to give them artificial limbs. There is absolutely no God that can give an amputee back his limbs.

Duh, the Bible was never against study, research or medicine. Luke was a physician and a early christian. Many doctors, pharmacists and engineers are theists. This delusion of making theism to be anti-study is folly, no serious person or enlightened person will take you serious. Enlightened people know that both theists and non-theists are found in every sphere of life.

Ranchhoddas:
This is not true. The atheist position is 'I don't know' Displeasing which God? Does putting on earrings displease this God?

Most atheists on nl believe atheism is the right way to go, and that the world would be a better place if we all practised their religion. They do not say that they do not know, they are usually emphatic.
Displeasing God, who else? You said you thought you were born again, and i am asking if you stopped/repented of sin, remember? Stay in context.

Ranchhoddas:
I agree with with you, ALL religions like every other thing evolve and adapt to the of the current zeitgeist else they become irrelevant. I know of a particular one whose adherents once held that the earth was flat. They even killed people for saying otherwise.

That's unfortunate for them. That is one reason why the Bible remains the best guide. We both know of atheists like Stalin who killed people too.

HardMirror:
I have too much evidence that makes me laugh at those who say it is foolish to be an atheist. I can never be religious ever again. I have seen it all

Life is not better on the other side, we all know this.
1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
1Pe 5:9 Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

HardMirror:
The year was 2008

Every year we fast for 70days in my church.(Christ Life Church Also known as Sword of the Spirit Ministries)

This was a yearly exercise our Bishop, Bishop Francis Wale Oke tagged 70 days of Glory.

I NEVER missed a day of the fasting. I always completed the whole 70 days. At the end of the 70days we will all converge at the church Headquarters at Olaogun in Ibadan. Where the Bishop will lead fiery prayers.

This year was special.

We had a pastor from Borno who told us gory tales of how boko haram were killing christians even more gory than any newspaper ever reported.

The church was angry!

I was angry!

The Bishop was angry!

He lead prayers. we spent the whole night praying! It must have lasted about 3 hrs or so.

After everything, the bishop prophesied that within a week boko haram will be history!

It is 8 years now and boko haram are still killing.

It was prophesied that angels will invade their camp and kill them all. Nothing miraculous happened.

God simply does not exist as we think.

Christianity is driven by emotion not reality.

I recall how people were weeping, screaming to heaven for intervention.

The prayers were thunderous.

Nothing happened!

I can confidently say God is nothing but a well devised scam, strongly attached to our emotions.

Lol, this is pretty childish. So anytime God does not answer your prayers, it is a proof that there is no God. That is the summary of what you said. God did not make any promise that christians will not die in unfortunate circumstances. His Word is very clear to the fact of a fallen world and the inherent sufferings. He said evil men will wax worse and worse, there will be wars, troubles and tribulations. Jesus prophesied perilous times. You should have based your faith and primary hope on the unchanging Word of God, not on any prophecy by man. Yes, it is good to confess positively and even declare things by faith, and sometimes people may get carried away and claim to hear from the Lord when they did not. Humans are still humans, they are not beyond mistake.
The early church faced tough persecutions and beheadings of their top men and families. They did not lose faith. Your case is nothing new under the sun. God saved Peter at one time in the book of Acts. We are told that he eventually was martyred. All these are nothing.
Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Ranchhoddas:
Neither of you is wrong, or right. My point is we make our own morality, bible or not.

Are you saying that the OP is not wrong?

Ranchhoddas:
The ubiquity of religions is one of the things that fuel my doubt, hence my 'eternal resort'... What is sin?

Sin is displeasing, disobeying God. Atheism is also one of the religions. It also lays claims to being the right way. i also doubt it.

Ranchhoddas:
Hehehehehe! Image123 has been caught pants-down.

Not at all, that's a first. Not surprisingly though, they've also started things like singing praise and worship, Sunday service, night vigils and others. These are all relatively new and "dubbed". Maybe a quaranic verse will help though.

Ranchhoddas:
To over 1.5 billion people, the Koran is life...I did all that was expected of me. Altar-calls, confession of sins, Holy-Ghost baptism, etc. But too much reading and too much analysis got in the way.

i've never heard a muslim say that the Koran is life or gives life, smh for you and your eternal resort to Christian vs others tactics. They believe it is an holy book of God, i've not heard them call it the living Word. That is what the Bible is, it is alive and gives life till tomorrow. Did you have that life, apart from the goose bumps, did you repent from sin?

johnydon22:
Because these things were not built by one 500years old man and his 3 sons but by hundreds of thousands of people up to millions still taking a duration of years and they still have their ruins scattered up to this day.

Stop equating irrational beliefs with history.

The Bible never said that the ark was built only by four people, you probably saw that in a cartoon or some website. Noah had over 100years to build the ark. It was made of wood, the major source of energy for a long time.

Ranchhoddas:
You are right. Those textbooks have something the Bible lacks-ACCURACY.

The Bible no doubt has something those textbooks can never have-LIFE. Tell me more about your thought born again experience. You know, like the OP did kinda. Were you a sinner then a Christian, that's what i meant by the 2Corinth5:17 mode.

ValentineMary:
I would leave it here for the readers to decide who's comprehension is poor from our discussion. Have a nice day.

i'm already having a great day. You'd leave it here because you cannot show from the Bible the lies you told against the Bible, and because you misread and misunderstand the simple and clear statements i repeatedly made.

The only wonder here is since you guys believe all these, what made it so hard to believe a Noah's ark? Because you don't see it i guess, self-conceit.

HardMirror, oya oh, come and evangelose oh.

Ranchhoddas:
Suspicious isn't it?

Not at all, the Bible wasn't written as a physics or earth science textbook.

HardMirror:
Chai!!!
Na wa for you o. Where did I say it is a miracle.
I said it was better for christians to say it is a miracle than trying to twist science to fit into explaining the events of the bible.
You are soo desperate.

Okay, you hear/read that realmindz? He says it is better to say it is a miracle. i'm sure you agree.

ValentineMary:
So Adam is not the first man and the world was not made in 6 days even though Genesis specifically said it was 6 days? I would leave this for your fellow theist to read.

Read what i said again. i hope your comprehension isn't this poor in academics?

Her COLLEAGUES, smh.

ValentineMary:
This is very funny. It's obvious now that u are being dishonest in ur argument.
From saying Adam is the first man, u went ahead to say the earth was not created in 6 days according to the bible and now u are saying we can't use him as a yardstick to caluculate earth's age because the bible did not say genealogy was be used to estimate age of a specie. We are humans and we have brains for a reason bro. Make use of your own.

The Bible does not link Adam's geneology to the age of the EARTH. How is that so difficult for you to process. You've been unable to show any biblical evidence to the contrary. You'd rather type dead than think, smh.

ValentineMary:
I don die. O boy e don do abeg. Lolz

Don't die lazily, think instead.

Ranchhoddas:
Why can't you. Are you not a bible scholar?I want a make a point with it.

There's no point in it,that's why. If there was, the Bible would have made it clear.

realmindz:
Yeah Noah family was quite unique, a family the world has never had and would never have again...


In Noah's family, we had a Chinese, an Indian, an Arab, a black, a white, a Korean....Jst name it, all the races of the world were among the family of Noah alone.. Praise Yaweh, it is a miracle.

But more interesting that it was only the Jew that remembered that great world event that changed the world history. Every other races simply forgot and even forgot that Yaweh saved them from the flood.

Then all the other races could not remember their ancestor was Noah...

All the other races jst forgot their God was Yaweh but started having several other gods whom they worshipped...

even Yaweh himself suddenly had a people he called "my people"

HardMirror said it's a miracle, do you agree with him? Your ignorance is alarming though, the other atheists must be embarrassed.

Ranchhoddas:
I need a figure. How many years ago?

i cannot give you the figure. i'm curious, what do you need the figures for?

J.J. Technical Services Ltd
JJ the dribbler, very apt.

Ranchhoddas:
I felt goose pimples if that's what you mean. Since you don't know their races, could you at least tell me how many years ago this flood happened?

Goose pimples, that was the proof of your salvation? You are kidding right? i also felt goose pimples when i touched my gf's hands in primary school. Get serious jare.At least, you now agree that they were not Hebrews, right? The flood happened during Noah's time, that is what Jesus and the Bible said. Do you not believe it?

Ranchhoddas:
The OP(a born-again christian gave a blank answer). You who is also born again cannot. You both have the bible as your moral standard. How then can you say morality is objective when you both cannot agree on what is what?

Well, i'm yet to see where the Bible gave a blank answer in this context, i stand with the Bible. We all have a right to our opinions and different levels of understanding. That takes nothing away from him/her or me, we all grow at different paces. What someone in Level 1 knows is different from what someone else in another level knows. They are both humans and perhaps students of the same school. i understand what you are trying to imply, that one of us MUST be fake, we must all have the same view and understanding to be true christians etc. Even the Bible does not expect that or say so.
We are given ministers so that;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:

That period is yet to happen, we do not all have the same knowledge or "unity" of the faith. We can agree to disagree on many issues, it does not necessarily mean that we are not brethren, or that one is not a true christian.

Lilbrown007:
Ignorance O

Come out of that ignorance. It is not beautiful.

ValentineMary:
It's a good thing u said that. So I can say u don't believe Adam is the first man and that the earth was made in 6 days. But if u are still a christian and u don't believe those, that's just a contradiction of the faith u proclaim.

Adam is the first HUMAN being. He is definitely the first of our race. The Bible does not say that the earth was created in six days, i stand to be corrected. You are yet to show us where the Bible says that. Also, you obviously lack knowledge of what the christian faith is about. The christian faith is not about believing "Adam is the first man and that the earth was made in 6 days". The Christian faith is about believing in God through Jesus Christ, that He is and that He is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him. Nobody went to Heaven or paradise for believing rubbish.

ValentineMary:
U theist can really be funny. U claim the genealogy in the bible is true but later say the data it provides regarding age is not true. I broke it down for u, and all u could do was quote ur creation story. For real bro?

All I'm saying is if u claim what I said is wrong, prove me wrong using ur data. And pls stop quoting that creation story. I honestly made it clear that it was in nowhere stated 6,000 years but Adam genealogy to Abraham and then to us sums up to 6,000 years.
But if u can't, u can quietly ignore.

The geneology of man from Adam is not about the age of the earth. The Bible does not say anywhere that they are related, i have asked you several times to show biblical proof of such thinking, you have so far been unable. The only time you attempted, you quoted Genesis 1v1-5. Here is exactly what you said "Genesis 1 says that the earth was created on the first day of creation (Genesis 1:1–5 ). From there, we can begin to calculate the age of the earth." This is why i continued quoting the place so that you may read it as i would not be surprised you may have not read it but only copy and pasted some fake thoughts from some fake thinker. The passage said nothing about the earth being created on the first day of creation, your assumptions are wrong. You went on to say that the Bible indirectly said it. No, the Bible did not directly or indirectly say anything of such. You are the one who made that mistake, not the Bible.

Ranchhoddas:
They are both morally acceptable. I ask again. Is wearing of earrings immoral or not?

This is not answer. You'd make a good conman. Moral or Immoral?

Is there any unacceptable colour then? i do not think that wearing of earrings has anything to do with morality IN THE CONTEXT OF SALVATION. If you have any Scriptures to the contrary, i'm willing to see it. Morality is more than right and wrong, that is why i'm been very careful not to be general. Like for instance as we are discussing colours, we may as well discuss basic education and it's morality. i cannot give a blank answer on such issues.

Ranchhoddas:
Yes I was. Or so I thought. I know I spoke in tongues at one point. What race where they or were they 'raceless', and more importantly how many years ago did the flood take place?

So did you experience the change of person that 2Corinthians 5v17 talked about at that time when you "became born again", or what made you think so like you said? i do not know what race they were but definitely not Hebrew. Even the Bible does not say that they were Jews. The Jew/Hebrew nation started from Abraham or more precisely Jacob/Israel's family. The flood took place during the time of Noah, that is what the Bible says.