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Dapo777:
He already accepted that he jumped into conclusion,why don't u tell him What psalm 137:9 is rather than beating around the bush.
This is What Christians do When They are faced with difficult questions. They start beating around the bush to escape the question and hide their folly.

Either you're dishonest or your english literacy is poor. Read carefully, honestly and with aid this time around.

Peterken05:
why not tell me what it is? I dont wanna jump to hasty conclusions.

Dapo777:
Ok let me also assume the "he" is not Yahweh for the sake of argument, why is happiness promised to "he" that smash Babylon's baby on rock? Why is smashing of babies encouraged in the "holy" Bible? If u ignore this question like you usually do other difficult questions I would assume u Av accepted ur folly.

I also assume you now know you goofed to think that God ordered anybody in Psalm 137:9. i also assume you know again you goofed to think yet that God smashed anything after reading Psalm 137:9. Do you see your ego, pride and stubbornness to accept you were wrong in such so simple almost inconsequential matter as comprehending some verse you don't believe in? Yet, God Almighty is expected by same you to tell you/accept He supposedly made a mistake?

i have not ignored ANY of your questions, maybe you didn't like my answers though. You want "oh God is wicked, i don't even know why He did that, but He's now behaving sha". Get real, that's a wrong answer. Also, note that even if we got 7billion votes, signatures, online petitions finding God guilty. It will still be a lie, vanity, and myopic perspective.
There is no promise in Psalm 137:9. Also, smashing of babies is not encouraged in the bible.i'll advice you to read Psalm 137, the whole chapter again and in context. Read without bias and perhaps from a easier bible version.

davien:
cool so now tell me,what specific definition of these can we say the "supernatural" is a negative to and how you could detect it(being outside of nature).....and probably give an example so that i can know if anything around me is(supernatural)...

i expected that you'd consult a dictionary when i hinted at your laziness. Supernatural is BASICALLY something not natural. Maybe you should study "basically" too while at it. Since i have a task of explaining supernatural as not natural to you, check the links provided below.

1. mwebster. NATURAL as adjective. Read definition 4, 8a, b, c, 11a, 12a, b ( http://i.word.com/idictionary/natural[1] )

2. Collins English, the 2nd dictionary. Definition 3and 6. ( http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=natural )

3. wikipedia. Nature , in the broadest sense, is equivalent to the natural, physical, or material world or universe. "Nature" refers to the phenomena of the physical world, and also to life in general.
( http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature)
First major sentence in the article. Learn "broadest".

davien:
Like i said...whether it is true or not.....so far as you can't validate something you claim is true....everyone is justified to not believe you..
since you can't trace your lineage or provide evidence for what you claim is true then it cannot be taken as true....the default position is that it is untrue....till you either prove it or claim you don't know...

That's why i mind my own business and don't go poking fun at other people's beliefs. i don't have to believe or not believe that Mo' flew to heaven. It's none of my business and i sincerely don't care. You seem to care though. What i can validate is that Jesus is Lord of my life and He saved me, and i believe in Him. And i'll share that to all who care.
Now if i can't prove something don't mean it's not true. Maybe someone else could prove it. It's myopic of anyone to conclude that something is not true simply because it cannot be proven.Consider crime for instance. A person r.aped or assaulted or robbed. Can't prove it, helpless not to be able to verify. While the authorities may not convict anybody due to lack of or insufficient evidence, it would be crass to insist that the crime didn't happen. Or to dismiss the victim as unserious because the claims weren't verifiable at the time.

nora544:
I can write it in my language !!

Lol, don't mind him jare Nora. You and him sef, the same thing.There's nothing like writing eligibly. Tell him.

AdeniyiA:
Mr Kay, i know a bit about structural defects and it eventualities, if it was, it couldn't have brought down the building like this completely . There was definitely an external remote

Did Scoan build a five or six storey on a two storey foundation?

Xcapist:
Lols.
I should have read between the lines. My bad.

I just thought since we (or they) can with varying degrees of accuracy predict weather, and with almost absolute certainty - even to the exact minute - predict eclipses, the rise and fall of stocks etc based on calculations it is on a similar plain of application. I can see how I may have flew off the tangent. Apologies. Have a great day ahead bro! But have your grandpa ever traveled to Sudan?

No qualms. Sudan ke? Wetin dey happen for there, lol.

vooks:
What were you promised?

Delusions confirmed. Stop derailing BTW. Promised by who to who?

vooks:
You attempted to derail this thread but failed. Why does it hurt you so much? Do you preach this trash by any chance or was you scammed as well?

That's a most deluded conclusion i must say.

davien:
The likelyhood of events are what is determined(predicted).....and if you allege that your grand-daddy travelled to sudan then the burden of proof is on you.....else i am justified to dismiss it....
I cannot verify it because you asserted it without any evidence.....so whether or not he did do such a thing is easily dissmiss-able
As for the "supernatural" you defined it as "not natural" therefore can we say cars....planes....phones and shoes are "supernatural"?
REMEMBER THAT IS YOUR DEFINITION I USED ABOVE
This is the problem words that are vague and easily re-purposed.....

Don't be lazy. Cars, planes and shoes are natural.

natural /ˈnatʃ(ə)r(ə)l/
adjective
1. existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind.
2. in accordance with the nature of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.
3. (of a parent or child) related by blood.
4. (of a note) not sharp or flat.
5. relating to earthly human or physical nature as distinct from the spiritual or supernatural realm.
6. (of a bid) straightforwardly reflecting one's holding of cards.
noun
1. a person having an innate talent for a particular task or activity.
2. a sign (♮) denoting a natural note when a previous sign or the key signature would otherwise demand a sharp or a flat.
3. an off-white colour.
4. a hand of cards, throw of dice, or other result which wins immediately, in particular:
5. an insect or other small creature used as bait, rather than an artificial imitation.
6. a person born with a learning disability.
adverb
naturally.

davien:
You are comparing apples and oranges.... why do i have to be 100% accurate for past,future and geological events.....? can you recall 100% all the words you have ever written on paper?.... and why is the proof of your grandfather being in sudan on me?....am i making any claim that he did travel anywhere?

You didn't know it was apples and oranges when you wanted to force theological issues into the laboratory?
What level of accuracy is expected for verifying if my grandfather traveled to Sudan? What level to verify how many dreams i had last night? What level to verify Mo' flying to heaven?
If you cannot verify that my grandfather traveled to Sudan, does that mean it didn't happen? If i or nobody can verify, does that mean it didn't happen?

Peterken05:
why not tell me what it is? I dont wanna jump to hasty conclusions.

You already jumped, and you barely looked before leaping, and you're badly hurt. So badly it might be paralysed, you don't feel it. Try again, is that verse an order?

davien:
Statistics are used to determine the future whether you admit to this or not....it still works. And as for your grandfather i believe telling you i don't know if he did or did not travel to sudan would be my best answer due to you not providing substantial evidence....so is the case of what you call "supernatural"....how you can detect what you call "supernatural" let alone give it descriptive qualities and yet have it non-existent.. since it is lacking in any evidence or proofs that can be verified....it will remain non-existent and not certain...just like unicorns and talking donkeys....

Statistics are used to PREDICT and PROJECT into the future. They don't compulsorily determine the future. Also, you cannot determine if my grandfather ever TRAVELED to Sudan using the method you claimed, which BTW is not a MERE method. You cannot verify it, yet the event allegedly happened, point made. Not every reality can be verified, whatever reason.
Something is said to be supernatural when it is not natural, that's a basic enough explanation. Millions of people in different centuries till tomorrow make claims to experiencing the supernatural, it's not dismissible with the wave of the hand.

davien:
2 plus 2 are descriptive man-made mathematic models and would always be equals to 4 unless the definitions are changed....also the same way a triangle would always have 3 sides is because it is definitional....
And what i meant by varying degrees of accuracy are the different results that can be obtained through these models as compared to the phenomenon it verifies... an example is gravity....it is a model that verifies to a degree how mass can pull other bodies towards itself...its degree of accuracy is correct(thus verify-able) as applied to the earth and other phenomenon....but when we approach bodies like mercury(the planet) it fails and has to be patched with the theory of relativity....every model has a varying degree of accuracy....

There you go again. i'll keep it simple nd on point. Here are three realities; your future posts on nairaland, my urinating yesterday, my grandfather.
Your future posts (next month by grace) are specific. It is either you make 20posts or no. There is no varying degree of ACCURACY about it.
It is either i urinated a specific number of times yesterday. You cannot be varying the accuracy saying i urinated 2.43times, or 6, or 9. You have to be accurate about it. It is senseless to vary the degrees.
It is either my grandfather traveled to Sudan in his lifetime or he didn't. You can't be varying the accuracy between yes, no, maybe, whatever.
These are the models of reality in focus.

Xcapist:
Bro, it appears like you're deliberately making effort to misunderstand him. Not cool, really. There's a course in A-level mathematics called Numerical Analysis... in my school it was math209. I don't know if you're familiar with it. If you were familiar with that domain of mathematics then you'd know that approximation and estimates can be used to perform computations that give usable results. It finds practical application in the field of computing.


Note this (from Wikipedia):
overall goal of the field of numerical analysis is the design and analysis of
techniques to give approximate but accurate solutions to hard problems, the
variety of which is suggested by the following

Advanced numerical methods are essential in making numerical weather
prediction feasible.

Computing the trajectory of a spacecraft requires the accurate numerical
solution of a system of ordinary differential equations .

Car companies can improve the crash safety of their vehicles by using
computer simulations of car crashes. Such simulations essentially consist of
solving partial differential equations numerically.

Hedge funds (private investment funds) use tools from all fields of
numerical analysis to attempt to calculate the value of stocks and derivatives
more precisely than other market participants.

Airlines use sophisticated optimization algorithms to decide ticket prices,
airplane and crew assignments and fuel needs. Historically, such algorithms
were developed within the overlapping field of operations research .

Insurance companies use numerical programs for actuarial analysis.
The rest of this section outlines several important themes of numerical
analysis.

You're making great effort at misconstruing the point. He said that varying degrees of accuracy makes stuff verifiable. While i see him appreciate your comradeship, his words were " the past and future can be estimated with varying degrees of accuracy thus verify-able". That is senseless as there is nothing like varying degrees of accuracy in the context we were discussing. He was to verify amongst other things his future, how many times i urinated yesterday, and if my grandfather ever traveled to Sudan. He failed to verify any of these alleged realities. Instead, he was busy spinning dust about how those were MERE tasks and about secondary schoolers knowing how to.
Here you come with advanced level stuff, trajectories of space craft, partial differential equations, and sophisticated optimization algorithms. hehehe, thereisGodo.

Dapo777:
So who is the "he" in psalm 137:9 is it not Yahweh They are calling "he" in dat verse?
Is it that u don't understand ur Bible or u Ar acting dumb?

Psalms 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Oh so now, God is the 'he'? You've just got to nail Him anyhow ain't it? The accusation was that God ordered His people to smash heads, now you're insinuating that He's the one smashing.

Peterken05:
are you serious?

Psalm 137:8-9; O daughter of Babylon, doomed to
destruction,
HAPPY IS HE WHO REPAYS YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR US,
HE WHO SEIZES YOUR INFANTS AND DASHES THEM AGAINST THE ROCK.

You can tell me its david ( a man after god heart).
But the bible as you say is the word of god.

One step at a time, is that verse or passage an order? Are you serious or jumping to hasty conclusion?

It's quite simple. Did SCOAN build a five or six storey on a two storey foundation?

Peterken05:
the problem with you guys is that you keep thinking like a psychopath, these are gory acts in the bible and you still saying god doesnt command anybody, who wrote/inspired those people that wrote the bible?
Why are these things in the bible in the 1st place?
Why does your god find pleasure in all these acts?
Why does your condone these acts (even if he doesnt command it)?

-cruetly to children
-cruetly to women
-slavery e.t.c

here are some, check the rest yourself.

Psalm 137:8-9; O daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you for what you have done for us,
he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rock.
1 Samuel 15:3; Now go, attack the amalekites and totally destroy
everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them, put to
death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep,
camels and donkeys
Isaiah 13:16-19; their infants will be dashed to pieces before their
eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives ravished. Their
bows will strike down the young men; they will have no mercy
on infants nor will they look with compassion on children,
Babylon the jewel of kingdoms, the glory of Babylonians pride
will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah
Hosea 13:16; the people of Samaria must be their guilt, because
they have rebelled against their god. They will fall by the sword,
their little ones will be dashed to the ground, and their pregnant
women ripped open
Revelation 2:20-23; you tolerate that woman jezebel who calls
herself a prophetess, I will strike her children dead.

Put the cards on the ground and behave. Throwing tantrums wouldn not further any solutions your way?
1. Did God order anyone to do anything in Psalm 137:9? That's where we are.

Jesus is God, simple. Trinity

davien:
I think the idea you think science is image123 is that the occurence itself has to be observable....that idea is wrong....from the observation of the present and being keen to studying processes that are constant to have a default value.... the past and future can be estimated with varying degrees of accuracy thus verify-able

This makes no sense. How can varying degrees of accuracy make anything verifiable? Why deceive yourself with meaningless words probably copied from some intelligent pretender? What is the meaning of varying degrees of accuracy for earth's sake? Like 2+2 equals 22 or 2.04 or 3 or 3.9998 due to varying degrees of accuracy? Thus verifiable, QED. Please, think for yourself, freethinking should not be an excuse for meaningless statements.

Xcapist:
On what grounds can we ascertain it's truthfulness? Is it objective truth we speak about or subjective.

Any real truth.

davien:
smh.......estimates are based on concurrent data....only a religitard like yourself would try to compare estimates to assertions of a man on a winged animal taking flight to "heaven"....
I really don't have anything to prove to you because whether or not you understand or deny the science it still works... not so much you can say for talking donkeys and psychopathic magical jewish "god" can you?
And no i couldn't help but laugh on your stup!dity....if you noticed i'm following you.. dimwits like you are funny...so why not follow you and get daily laughs from your stup!dity?

Do you for a minute think that i need to prove anything to you? You've shown us that you cannot? verify your own future, you claim to be only able to estimate how many times i peed yesterday, you cannot verify if my grandfather ever traveled to Sudan. These are all realities you cannot verify. The simple point in case you missed it yet again being, that you cannot verify something don't mean it didn't happen. The supernatural is not subject to laboratory tests, and life doesn't always boil down to science.

Peterken05:
it is so glaring that you guys dont even read your so called holy book before coming out to rant.

Another popular example.
Have you forgotten when God told Saul to kill the amaelekites, everything(children, women)?
Even when saul saw that it was wrong, he was punished by our good lord.

So much from a so called loving god.

I can give u plenty examples of the psychotic acts of our merciful god.

This is a glaring reason why atheists cannot convince any right thinking person. Psalm 137 doesn't show God ordering anyone to do anything. Yet you want to force your opinion on the verse like you lack comprehension. It's shame on every atheist who thinks this blindly.

vooks:
I was wrong, they are not hooligans but heckling trolls
https://s29.postimg.org/4kbayvlgn/e_Troll.jpg

When are you not wrong? Blind critics are always wrong, though they hardly know it.

davien:
lol....The putrid nonsense you conglomerated up there only shows how r3tarded you are in thinking....
estimates are the best evidence anyone can give and like i said earlier along with your homeostasis,bladder capacity and other factors.... i can estimate a number....say no less than 300 or an average of 3-5 times and i will still be right....unless you have a bladder the size of an elephant
the process for tracing dna to locations' is called geographic population structure.... id0to! lol...

You couldn't hold yourself together and behave, could you? Don't have too much faith in all that stuff you've being reading on the internet, get a real education if you can. You can actually be intelligent, you have potential.
So, you can't verify your future apparently. Perhaps you can conclude you have no real future from your assessment. Estimates are the best you can do to verify howmany times i urinated yesterday? That's not good enough for reality, you see? You said reality has to be verifiable, not estimated. Estimating is probability, same as saying Mo' flew to heaven or no. Many would think it probable i figure.
And this geographic population structure thing, you say it can tell if my grandfather ever traveled to Sudan? How merely can we go, it would be nice to see this demonstrated.i reckon it would greatly improve perspectives on reality. What step can you take to demonstrate this miragelike story you're telling?

koredeolanrewaju:
Am not sure these are the works of the skul. We're in Nigeria and not America where such things are done..It's either he employd American to do these bt doubt their intelligence. Also it is a strategy to get students...his fee also suppose low if truly he's a follower of Jesus Christ.

How much is CU fees? How much is low? How do you conclude that the fee of a Jesus' follower must be low? Should staff be paid and business run with prayer? Four questions, hoping you can provide four answers.

davien:
The future can be verified and predicted using current accurate information....
take for example the dwarf planet pluto....we've never observed it long enough to know its orbital period is 200 plus years.....but just by slotting newtonian mechanics we know this...
science is about building models that are predictable....
and you are contradicting yourself below...

I never said the past isn't real dumb0...
The number of times you urinated can be estimated by measuring your urinal period,water intake,homeostasis,bladder capacity.....even a secondary schooler should know this....
And i merely have to match the geological distribution of your dna to know if your grandfather ever inhabited sudan...

Maybe you didn't know, but abusing or insulting people is not intelligence. You should be more reasonable than believers you would think.
How convenient of you to verify Pluto's future, like duh, hahahahahaha. Verify your own future, like what disease would you have found the cure next year. Oh that's easy, we both know. Verify how many posts you're going to make on NL next month. That's not too hard i guess?
You said reality is based on things we can verify and have substantial degrees of accuracy. In other words anything unverifiable in the laboratory is not reality. That's basically what you're saying incase you've not thought about it. Hopefully, it's not a copied idea as usual with unbelievers.
Don't waste time ESTIMATING. How do we verify how many times i urinated yesterday? If we can't verify it, is it unreal? I do know i urinated yesterday. Don't tell me we have to estimate or some mumbo jumbo about secondary school. How can you or anybody verify how many times i urinated yesterday? Is it not reality if you find that hard, absurd or flimsy to verify?
Woah, MERELY MATCHING my DNA, you can tell if my grandfather ever traveled to Sudan? Why do i not believe this? Prove it please prove it to me, it sounds like dem deluded stories you hate.

davien:
we can verify the past einstein! ....with the same science used in forensics.....examine the evidence..... not the claim of evidence...

Note:

How do we verify the future? How do we verify how many times i urinated yesterday? Was it not reality? How do we verify that my great grandfather didn't ever travel to Sudan?

Dapo777:
Then I must say ur definition of perfection is skewed.
No living thing is perfect.
That's why we have genetic mutations.
Your reasoning pattern is nauseating.
I would stop replying you, Since u have no reasonable thing to say.

And your definition is top notch because? i gave you mine from a dictionary BTW ( http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perfect)
Your reasoning is left ungraded. Any reasoning that doubts the existence of God is suspect. Is there a perfect thing because your earlier deduction was that nothing is perfect.

davien:
you do know reality is based on things we can verify and have substantial degrees of accuracy to right?.....before defining what supernatural is and how you can detect it.....how are there realities based on them that i can verify?

Oh i don't know. So perhaps the past is unreal if we can't verify, neither is the future.

davien:
lol......i just can't stop laughing...

Repeating my questions when faced with a question you can't answer because the bible you shove down peoples throat' you don't bother to read yourself......lmao!

your "psychopath yahweh" ordered "his people" to kill the "suckling infants" by dashing their heads on rocks... this is the being you derive moral values from mind you!

i missed it. Where did Yahweh order His people?