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thehomer: Is that the best excuse you can give for your God?

Excuse, how?

dare2think: The post was directed to you, I don't care if 'anyone else' responds to it.

Basic comprehension? Ok.

Can you please enlighten me as to what you mean by your statement:

'satan is not necessarily responsible for every bad thing'

For once can you be straight-forward and stop acting like fraudulent charlatans that manipulates everything!

You are close to that ignore button, don't push it. The statement 'satan is not NECESSARILY responsible for EVERY bad thing' is different from 'satan is not responsible for evil'. Feel free to meditate until you break through this challenge.

Pastor Kun: Rantings of an exposed false teacher.

Replies of a frustrated but proud sinner?

mazaje: You want to see god who is also spirit, no?. . Any way. . .I can feel the wind, oxygen can be seen, lasers can also be seen, how can satan be seen or detected?. . .How does satan make people do things, have you ever sen him make any body do anything?. . .How do you know its him?. . .

God is not satan, a desire to see God is not a desire to see satan. i see God at work every other day. No knowledgeable Christian expects to see God physically at this time. We will see Him in eternity. We see Him at work in our lives, testimonies and circumstances. Satan can be clearly seen in your life and thought, he is seen in killing and destructions, cursed lives and sicknesses and in the sinful rule all around. Its like feeling the impact of a government, or decision. You know him by his characters, like a doctor knows a sickness, like the ear knows a music piece.

dare2think: Yea, you wish.

Explain to me how that is incoherent? That you choose not to understand my simple example is your problem. I referred to the Jargon in you post. If Satan is not responsible for evil, who is? Me?

You need to learn basic comprehension if you think that i said satan is not responsible for evil. Your other post was incoherent.I'll be surprised to see anyone else respond to it.

dare2think: You really need to shut the hell up with your pathetic attempt in trying to sound reasonable.

If Satan is not responsible for the every bad thing then I'm guessing he chooses the evil he wants to participate in, right?

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Satan to God: I feel like using tornadoes on the people in Florida, but I'm a bit tired do you want the Job?
Satan: Nah, dude I'm Tired, let the humans handle it

Bloody wimp!

This is incoherent. i sincerely hope you were not personally affected?

dare2think: Theism should not make you a wimp! I'll call you whatever I want as you feel convenient to insult people when it suits you but play victim when given the same treatment. Go back to our previous encounter and point out the person who started being uncivil you pathetic coward!

You stand the grave risk of being ignored, and the possible risk of being banned.

mazaje: ^^

What is the form or shap of Satan?. . .Is satan in the image and form of a man?. . .Sound, love, etc are not living beings. . .Spirits are said to be living beings. . .In what form does satan exist and how can I know him when I see him?. . .What medium can we use to see satan? Have you ever sen him using the medium?

spirit-form is that form or shape of satan, don't be porous. Sound and love are invisible like satan and spirits, that is the obvious point being made. Satan exist in spirit form, how many more times are you going to ask? You can know him when you see his actions, like you know wind, electricity, lasers, microbes by their actions. We Christians have no interest in seeing satan or spirits or knowing his depths. You who shows interest can take the mediums prescribed.

mazaje: You are an example of been decieved, satan has blinded you from the truth of allah. . .

What is this truth that you speak of and how have you embraced it?

DrummaBoy: My story...

I became a Xtian in 1998 and attended a new Gen Church. Same time I came across books that explained the gospel of grace. I found there was a wide difference btw what I was hearing in church and what some of these literature taught. Eg

1. No one in church taught how to handle betting sins but these books spoke of growth in grace and bible confirmed it

2. My pastors were overly concerned with revivals, miracles, prosperity; these didn't minister to my need. I was attracted more to teachings that exalted the glory of God's kingdom

3. I could not see sincere love among the brethren. The church seem to be an avenue for out doing each other.

4. I came to dislike the legion of ministers that graced our pulpits; they sounded more like noise makers

5. All these drew me to the NT, the letters of Paul, were I discover for myself the glorious gospel of God's grace to sinful man.

6. I would later discover that much of the teachings I heard in church was the prosperity gospel

less drumming please, i am following this thread.

thehomer: Does. Or can you stop God from doing whatever he wants?

yep. We are derailing the thread i think.
1 Corinthians 9:12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.

hisblud: @image this is nice piece there more grace to you.

Amen hisblud, amen and thanks.

thehomer: You really don't understand what I mean do you? What I mean is that God does what he wants to do in spite of the claims you raised that would have stopped him.

does or did?

plaetton: Spiritism exercises?

HHHmmm!
Another new one.

Spiritism, spiritual excersises., or spiritualism.
What's the difference.
Kindly enlighten this ignorant soul.

Ignorant souls should try google instead please.

plaetton: So god, the devil and spirits exists only because the bibles says they exists, right?

no. They exist whether the Bible says so or not.

plaetton: And let me guess: meditation and spiritual exercises, right?
How about opium and other hallucinogens?
Do they work too?

Try being sober please. i repeat 'SPIRITISM exercises'. You seemed to show interest in communicating with spirits. Are you shy?

plaetton: Huh?
Good logic.
I might reject your proof, therefore there is no need to present it.
I love religious logic!

You will and have rejected my proof, not might reject. All i need to do is post a bible verse that states that the devil exist or spirits exist. It is memory, not logic.

plaetton: @hisblud and Image123:

I find it very very interesting that the two of you champions of faith, are bolding asserting on this forum, that one needs deep meditations to perceive and see the grace of god, satan and spirits.

That is simply mazing, as you may be right.

So,my big question is:
In simple honesty, How do you stand up and argue, in simple language, without contradicting yourselves, majaze's and other atheist's repeated assertions that:

god, satan and spirits are things conjured up deep inside the minds of the religious faithful?

Seriously, how do you argue against bolded above , when you have said in simply english that we need to go deep inside our minds , through meditations and spiritual exeerises, to see and feel god, satan and spirits?

satan is the subject of discussion, not God. Take one step at a time in order not to fall and loose some teeth.

mazaje: OK. . .What form of shape do spirits have?. . .How do you know that the devil exist? Have you encountered him personally? has he ever spoken to you, contacted you in any way?. . .beleivers all over the world blame satan for many bad stuffs and ascribe to him many bads things, believers in USA and Nigeria all blame satan for tempting them, at this very moment I know that there are believers in Ghana and South Africa blaming satan for many things. . .How can satan be in USA and igeria at the same time without him being omnipresent?. . .

Spirits have spirit-form, huh. It's a different realm, the spirit realm. Its akin to asking the shape of sound, or the form of love, happiness, the length of pity or fear. These things are invisible but are real.i know the devil exists because the bible says he does and describes him and his works. i know gases 'exist'. Not everybody can show that, though it can be shown. There are more than a billion people in the world who are oblivious to the fact that they exhale co2. It doesn't change the fact. I know ions exist, i know bacteria exist, i know hate exists. We can clearly see the effect of these things that are not readily visible to the eyes except through medium. satan is not necessarily responsible for every bad thing. Now, how can president Jonathan be said to construct a road in enugu while he was in abuja during the construction? This people who claim to think hardly think when it comes to religious issues.

plaetton: Yes , we have heard of them.
And what's more, we have intruments that can help us detect these things.
Can we cay the same thing for god, satan and spirits?

Good boy, good. Instruments. Im a similar sense, there are medium or means of 'seeing', communicating and interacting with spirits.

mazaje: ^^

The same gods of this world that blinded your minds to the divine revelation of the Koran, no?. . .Is satan only invisible to unbelievers?. . .

what is the divine revelation that Christians are blinded to? Satan is invisible to human beings.

plaetton: Spiritual exercises?
Whigh ones?
Would you not be the among the first to condemn such as pagan, heathen witchcraft or satanic?
Are there any that are prescribed in your bible?


Religion na wa!

i said 'spiritism' not 'spiritual'. Google is your friend. You are the one looking for proof, not me. i already know that you will reject the bible if i pointed you to it as proof for satan or spirit existence.
Proverbs 18:1 Through desire a man, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom.

dare2think: Ok Grammer troll, once again do not obfuscate, lets stick to the subject.

You can't attest to what you have no idea about. 'Spirits are invisible', yet you have no idea how or why!

Do not make assertive statements if you can not back it up. This is not a church congregation where you are fed nonsense without being respected enough to inspect properly.

Perhaps you need to broaden you own capacity to learn and,at the very least, be sincere enough to admit you know nothing about your 'spirits' that are invisible.

Atheism should not erode your civility and sanity, stop calling me names. Now, why do you have two hands(if you do)?

mazaje: So infrared and spectrum of planes are supernatural because we can't see them?. . .The devil is invisible because?. . .Why must he be invisible when people already believe he exist?. . .Does that make any sense to you?. . .Is the devil omnipresent?. . .

This mazaje seems a little different from the one i used to know. Anyway, to each question in its order.
Infrared and spectrum are not supernatural, they are invisible.
The devil is invisible because he is a spirit and spirits are normally invisible like oxygen, infrared and sound.
He was not initially invisible because of people(irrespective of their beliefs). He was and is invisible because he is a spirit being.
Yes, it makes perfect sense to me as i do not have the defect of having to see things to know that they exist.
There is nothing to suggest or affirm that the devil is omnipresent.

thehomer: What? So it isn't only iron chariots that can stop God but unbelief (except when Gideon didn't believe and asked for evidence in Judges 6:36), pride (except when he made Moses lead the Israelites to the promised land), disobedience (except when he forced Jonah to Nineveh).

Looks like I know more about the idea of the Christian God than you do.

i like the word 'except' that you use. You need to revise the meaning.

dare2think: I chose the part relavant to the question I asked!

You will not kung foo your way out of this!!
You have not seen spirits, you have not bothered to explain 'why' they are invincible, yet you want to have me believe in them!


Perhaps you need to do the thinking outside the bondage you entrapped yourself in.

Why are your spirits invincible? what is the purpose of their invincibility?

Answer those and stop obfuscating about.

Big grammar doesn't fit you, keep it simple please. Also, i said 'invisible', not 'invincible'. I'm not interested in your question and answer sessions, interested in minds that still have capacity for learning and sincerity.

Proverbs 18:20 A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled. 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

dare2think: They are not visible to human eyes, yet you want to convince me that they are real!!!


Have you got 'super-human' vision??

no. Unfortunately, you have not dared to think outside the box you shackled yourself in. You've even deliberately avoided and cut the part of my post that can spur and free your thinking.

dare2think: oK Smarty Pants, can you explain how and why spirits are invisible??


Try not to be 'thick' in your reply!

Because they are not visible to human eyes, duh. Ever heard of infrared or spectrum or planes of sound or vibration that humans can't readily access using just the 'five' senses?

[quote author=Area_boy]wrong

God can do what ever d fck he wants. (at least following our feeble definition of such a being)[/quote]you don't know God do you?

nnofaith: spiritism exercises like smoking ganja!

bigup man! ina jamaican stylee!

slow down and learn.

thehomer: Rubbish. What terms and conditions can stop God from doing whatever he wants?

unbelief, pride, disobedience etc. You don't know God like me or more than me, do you?