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GeneralShepherd: Image123 don't you think its inappropriate to quote the bible when arguing with someone that doesn't believe in the bible.

Even Deepsight is not a christian.

If the Bible can be quoted or referred to to discredit God and godliness, its forever appropriate to quote the Bible to speak for God and godliness.

Dolemite: Define foolishness...

check the dictionary.

Who mentioned a thing about suffering? Does disbelief in God immune one from suffering?

we are here.

Revelation 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Waiting for chapter 4v1

Proverbs 24:9 The thought of foolishness is sin: and the scorner is an abomination to men.

Ahhhhhh this is where the intellectuals aree.

Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

where is frosb the articleman?

striktlymi: Well the book of revelation did not just touch on present and future events from the time of John. I believe it also gave an insight to events that are passed too.



If Lucifer's abode is already heaven, why then would he need to 'ascend' into heaven? Unless you are saying that he was chased out of heaven before he declared war on God and the Angels loyal to him.



This does not answer the question I asked. Do we give up our free-will or do we get to keep our free-will to either commit sin or do good?




Who tempted Lucifer?

i said things to come MAINLY, anyway ok.


The FACT remains that his 'ambition' was to ascend to Heaven, i didn't write it. Its either a contradiction or there is more than one heaven like i already opined. Remember Paul wrote of third heaven? He didn't sin in God's Heaven if we insist that he sinned in heaven. He wanted to ascend to that one.



You asked three questions in that quote, and i answered the first and more important one which scriptures talk about. i don't currently have scriptures to assert that there will be freewill or no freewill.



Nobody tempted lucifer, he corrupted himself. On the other hand, man was tempted and is tempted. But the word of God promises us that nothing that defiles or can defile will enter God's heaven. i believe that. Anything capable of defiling is without/outside. More reason to state that satan's initial sin was outside.

[quote author=From_Guiriga]I have already. When I repent and turn my ways.
[/quote]When did you ask for God's forgiveness? i ask because it needs to be concurrent with your repentance. Also, what is delaying your repentance? Repentance is turning away from sin and a decision and determination not to sin again? (simply put).

striktlymi: Hallo Image,

Interesting thought...



I guess your opinion concerning whether Lucifer sinned in heaven or not is inspired by the book of Isaiah:

Isaiah 14:13-14
King James Version (KJV)
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Though my thoughts on the above passage are kinda different but if you uphold that Lucifer did not seen in heaven then how do you reconcile this with the description of the 'battle' given in the book of revelation?

Revelation 12:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

If indeed you agree that there was war in heaven in accordance with the book of revelation, can't it be said that Lucifer actually committed sin in heaven? To wage war in heaven against his divine majesty is a good argument that Lucifer sinned in heaven.

Revelations is prophecy, about things to come mainly.
Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
Also, there is the fact that he did say "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:" and "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds". The take is that the way in heaven was/is a war in a location between earth and God's Heaven. Satan is supposedly the prince of the power of the air, he controls wickedness in HIGH places as it were. This 'air' or 'high places' is where he currently dwells and from where he will be expunged. So, he is currently in heaven(or clearer still, in the heavens) but he doesn't dwell in God\s Holy Hill/Mount Heaven.

This much I agree with...but how is this to come about? Do we still keep our free-will and still avoid sin? Or do we give up our free-will?

1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
In our current nature, we can't even see Him and remain alive in the flesh. But when we get to Heaven, we will be changed, TO HIS NATURE. He cannot sin, not for all eternity, and we would not sin. Like a dog cannot fly as it is not in its nature, it would not think of it, and is not capable of it.

Hmmm...we will have the nature of God? I don't understand!

1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it.

Well, I am of the opinion that Satan is not really responsible for the sins man choose to commit. If man will avoid sin in heaven, I really do not think that it will be because Satan is not there...the question that comes readily to mind is: who then tempted satan to commit sin?

satan is and means the adversary. He is the one tempter that tempts the living daylights out of people. In Christ's 1000year reign on earth where satan is locked up, there is virtually no sin or rebellion until he shows up again to tempt men. He is the theif, tempting and seeking whom to devour from Adam. His influence cannot be underestimated.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

[quote author=From_Guiriga]I do. Every time I repent.
No repentance. No forgiveness of sin.
Jesus is not going to fall from heaven to save anyone. You know that right?
Satan is a spirit did we not agree?
Is not the Christ a spirit as well?


[/quote]Repentance and Forgiveness are two separate things though they should happen concurrently. Forgiveness is what God does while repentance is what you do. So are you willing to ask Him to forgive your sins?

davidylan: I thought it must be my hearing too. But he has very good technique though.

Of course some positives, but he's not "all that".

[quote author=From_Guiriga]Yes. The father gave him that authority.[/quote]Are you willing to ask Him to forgive your sins?

Mr Troll: nna guy na tiger battery I de use o. You fit help me with your halogen lamp?

All I saw was that you advised the OP to be courteous to fellow forumites by addressing their gods in capital. My question is, how does being courteous mean that you have to do what they do? He can respect your right to be religious but he doesn't have to respect your religion.

Take time o!

Well, that's not what i posted. Take your time, you will see the light.

striktlymi: Evening peeps,

I have been doing quite a bit of thinking and meditations if you like but still I am at a dilemma. If we are capable of committing sin here on Earth, why then can't we be capable of sinning in heaven?

I guess the answer that might jump right out would be 'free-will'...but again it can be argued that since Lucifer was able to sin in heaven then it is probable that we might just be able to sin too.

If we think that it is impossible to sin in heaven then the question I ask everyone is: Why was Lucifer able to sin?

Actually, lucifer did not sin in Heaven, afterall his ambition was to ascend there. OT passages seem to suggest that he was the landlord on earth before his corruption. Sin is not possible in our new nature in Heaven. We shall be changed having God's nature and seeing Him.It's like a man been afraid to lay eggs if he lives far, its not going to happen. Its not in his nature. The odds are zero and also satan the tempter will not be there.

Mr Troll: are we saying the same thing or yes How about he be courteous to Pagan9ja, Okija juju, Ifeness etc? Or on the flip side, why should he be courteous to your god? Is she anything special to him? If you call your father daddy should I call him daddy too?
What deluded sense of entitlement!

you really need to relax, hbp is very cheap. Read my post again till you see the light.

[quote author=ose_o]While he was good I Don't think he was special or great, if you compare him to his age mates overseas you will understand what I mean. He has potential but needs to to of training. My brothers and sisters were in the choir by his age, if you go to music center you will see younger kids doing amazing things. Watch the video in the link below to see what we should be striving towards.





www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uoFq-Pzldg&sns=em[/quote]That's a trip, the kid nearly blew my mind, thank God for SOE.

[quote author=From_Guiriga]No.
The creator knows my heart. He and I know I still have a long way to go.

[/quote]Then we shouldn't waste time discussing doctrine but your repentance. Do you believe that Jesus can forgive your sins?

frosbel: "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye." - Matthew 7:5

Have you repented of the Tithe Lie and other false doctrines ?

There is nothing to remove from your eye as it were,. You are blind, you need something put.

davidylan: Not so good. He was pitchy and off-key soo many times.

oh oh, i was tempted to think that my hearing was on temporary leave.

Mr Troll: what! So he should be courteous to your god only and not to others? Huh?
How about we be courteous to all the other GODs out there. Fair enough?

You're on overdrive, do you need to use the toilet? He the OP should be courteous and polite to fellow forum members who hold Deity in high esteem above even their parents.

[quote author=inspired_m]
Dont these Local Producers Watch and Digest the Foreign Concepts they Copy ?

If Justin Bieber was African, Im sure He would have been Discarded, WHAT A SHAME

[/b][/quote]money is not everything. It's better for the boy to go to school, get some perspective on life, and be more rounded in development and maturity than to throw him into the limelight and he cannot live a normal life in 15years time, or worse still die young or do drugs like they mostly end up.

mumumugu: IN WROTE THE WORD WITHOUT CAPITALISING AND PEOPLE WERR ANGRY WITH ME ... IS IIT A MUST . Y

It's polite and courteous. One doesn't have to be rude to show untelligence.

frosbel:

why are you showing one eye open with this emoticon?
Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy unclothedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

God has been watching folks since Adam, there is nothing to be afraid of. And thanks be to God for nepa.

DavidJohnDavid: I love Mountain of Fire(MFM) and i also love Deeperlife- MFM because of deliverance and Deeperlife because of holiness.
Where do i get a church with deeperlife's holiness style and MFM's deliverance style in one package?

Do you need deliverance or holiness? They are both good churches anyway. Though deeper seems more rounded but at the end of the day, branches/parishes differ in flavor and a Christian would rather be led by the Spirit of God, not by vociferous opinion.

But come to think of it oh, was the FALSE prohetess not right?

[quote author=From_Guiriga]The kings of Israel were called Gods.
Satan is called God.
Your stomach can be your God.
Jesus was called God true. Yahweh said his Glory he will not share with ANYONE.
So is Yahweh the father of Jesus then? Because in his own words Yahweh does not recognize ANY other God.
What are your thoughts on the above.

Give thanks.
[/quote]are you born again?

frosbel: I don't see visions of hell and demons, or preach a fraudulent tithe system etc.

you are blind, you need eyesalve.

wow, Baba Wiggle is in the house, end of discussion.

frosbel: the GS your idol !

You suffer from untamed imaginations. Rather be bitter with the devil who is using you than your previous helpers.

frosbel: Read Mark 10:30

i read it. So the question is do you have eternal life?

You will not want to read the below seeing you clearly avoided it in quoting the preceeding verse more than once to nlmediator.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.