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mazaje: What sounds good about the god i quoted in the passage?. . .Do you go about killing your kids because they refuse to obey you?. . .Do you starve your kids because they refuse to obey you?. . .Do you send wild animals to maim your kids because they refuse to obey you?. . .What exactly is good about the god in the passages i quoted?. . .

Do you think anybody should be punished at all? if yes, please suggest three punishments for the people below, thanks.

Amos 4:1 Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink.

thehomer: Sure God is not a man, he is made up. I am perfectly able to judge him. He is a criminal entity. He is not kind and good even to those who believe in him. Otherwise they won't suffer at all. Besides if he only likes those who believe in him, then why should anyone bother with him? In what way is he worthy of being God? It is pointless to show you the evils of your God .

do not take it as a call of duty to do the pointless. God loves you.

mazaje: When I said killing was normal , I meant to say it is a normal thing that doesnt require any supernatural entity because you keep claming satan causes people to kill each other. . .Have you not read the bible, where your god keeps telling people to kill those that refuse to worship him or obey him?. . .Have you ever seen the devil lying to any one?. . .What language was satan speaking when you see or heard him lying?. . .

You meant to say? You mean satan possessed you and embarrassed you. I'll ask again to be sure, Is killing normal? I've read the Bible, God doesn't keep telling people to kill those that refuse to worship or obey Him. The whole world was in disobedience from Adam, God didn't keep telling people to kill those that refuse to worship Him.You are in error of hasty generalization. Have you ever seen anger drive anyone? satan speaks PRIMARILY through the language of thought.

shdemidemi: What is sound about the doctrine?

Ask floG.

mazaje: How do you know this?. . .What method does he use to get to people's minds. . .We have studied the brain, but we have never seen any satan communicating with any part of any brain. . .Did you see satan telling my brain that killing has been a normal part of human life?. . .

What do you know, not much. i know from the Bible and from experience.

mazaje: Killing has been a normal part of human history and doesn't require any satan. . .After all your god was all over the place commanding people to kill each other. . .Normally when you offend him all he does is tell some one to kill you. . .I guess your god is satan. . .

Your subtlety smacks of satan all over. You said KILLING IS NORMAL. Now you are trying to twist your own words. Killing is not a normal thing from Cain till date. Every human being has offended God, all He did was not tell someone to kill you. You lie like the devil himself.

mazaje: We have invented devices to help us study and in some cases see bacteria, infrared and nuclear energy. They are all physical things. Satan is said to be spiritual but yet you can not tell us anything about him. . .How does satan communicate with people for example. . pls tell me how he comminicates with people. . .What method does he use?. .

And the thousands of years before the invention of this devices are not enough to disprove their existence, how can't you see that? That there is no device to detect something doesn't mean that it does not exist. i can tell you some things about satan, i answered in line with what you have asked thus far. satan communicates with people primarily through their mind.

mazaje: When did you hear or see him tell me?. . .That billion of people believe something does not make it true. . .Billions of muslims believe in allah, billions of people believe in the hindu gods. . .Billions of people believe in Yahweh. . .Billions of people also believe in reincanation. . .It doesnt mean they are true, it just shows that people can believe stuffs. . .

So your evidence to show that satan exist is the claims by billions, eh?. . .Pls tell me what is satan's form? is he in the form of a man or what?. . .Is he every where? Where are people all over the world blaming him?. . .Is he in lagos and new york at the same time?. .

The point in the post is not the billions but the wave of the hand dismisal. You have no proof that satan doesn't exist. i have proof and you are one proof. Only satan can convince someone that killing is normal. That is his work. Jesus told us that satan comes to steal, kill and destroy. Only him and his can find theft, killing and destruction to be normal.

mazaje: When you show me where I claim that sound has a shape then you can come and we will continue the conversation. ..For now pls I want you to tell me the form satan exist in. . .Does he exist in the form of a human being or a lion?. . .

Sound is invisible to the physical eyes like satan, bacteria, infrared and nuclear energy. One cannot exactly describe their shape or form. This is the obvious and simple point you have failed to grasp, its almost miraculous.

mazaje: Prove to me that satan exist and is not an imaginary idea. . .Just provide onjective evidence to show that satan exist. . .

And you have attained all knowledge to show us that he doesn' exist, despite the claim by billions of people all over the world and in all generation? No one owes you a proof, satan already told you that killing is normal.

musKeeto: Nitpicking aren't we?

Next we headed for the land of Bashan, where King Og and his army attacked us at Edrei. But the LORD told me, 'Do not be afraid of him, for I have given you victory over Og and his army, giving you his entire land. Treat him just as you treated King Sihon of the Amorites, who ruled in Heshbon.' So the LORD our God handed King Og and all his people over to us, and we killed them all. We conquered all sixty of his towns, the entire Argob region in his kingdom of Bashan. These were all fortified cities with high walls and barred gates. We also took many unwalled villages at the same time. We completely destroyed the kingdom of Bashan, just as we had destroyed King Sihon of Heshbon. We destroyed all the people in every town we conquered – men, women, and children alike. But we kept all the livestock for ourselves and took plunder from all the towns." (Deuteronomy 3:1-7 NLT)

Hope you are okay? What is this your post saying exactly? What has "nitpicking" or the passage you quoted got to do with anything on this thread?

flourishG: This Mr Ola cannot teach sound doctrine by himself except by Henry Matthew Morris PhD or R.C.Sproul or whatever kumuyi says. Was he baptized in d name of HMM or RC SPROUL or Kumuyi or what?

At least it is sound doctrine. Independence is not always liberty, no man was made to be alone.

mazaje: Does this sound like a good god or a monster?. . .What exactly is good about such a being?. . .

Sounds like the best God ever, i know of no other.

thehomer: I judge his character by the evil that he has been capable of. Just as I would point out that a person who kills children to take their parent's lands even if that person is kind to his wife, I would still say that such a person has an evil character.

hahaha, good of you. You made me laugh, that's new. One, God is not a man.Two, you are not His judge, but rather He is yours. You are the criminal while He is your Judge and Owner as it were. Three, God is kind and good to those who believe like your person is kind to his wife. Therefore it is fruitless and shallow of you to try to show those who believe anything.

Acts 24:25 And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.

In addition to the OP, be a student of the Bible. Great men are students of the Bible one way or the other.

thehomer: I'm just showing those who believe in that God based on information from that book that their ideas about that God being good is misinformed. So, if they take the information recorded in that book as factual, I'll just use it to show them the problems with that line of thought.

Thanks for your great concern, though it always seems youbelieve the "evil" more than the good. We who believe in God are more sensible to observe the overwhelming good and make reasonable conclusion that God is good and His mercies endure forever.

musKeeto: Of course it is. We're only following God's orders. Don't be silly.

God's order is thou shall love the Lord with all your heart and love others as yourself. Are you following God's orders, or you have been deceived yet again?

dare2think: I repeat, can you name a part in history where murder and killings are not 'normal'?

I do not know of any part in history where murder and killings are normal, quote or unquote. i hope you did as i asked and got some perspective on your logic.

mazaje: meaning your god is satan since he commanded many people to commit murder and genocide to in the bible. . .

Wrong. Your god is satan, my God is the Lord Jehovah.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Thnx Olaadegbu. you have further strengthened my disbelief in jesus and in christianity. Thank You.[/quote]i say on his behalf, you are welcome.
Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Zechariah 10:1 Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.

thehomer: I don't take God as factual.

Oh, but you take His recorded 'evil' as factual?

Proverbs 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

sure way: You mean they fear man more than God?

perhaps

thehomer: Hey it's from your Bible. If you don't think it is factual, then just say so. No matter what else he does, the fact that he gave such a command reveals just how depraved he is.

As Lord Acton said (and I agree with), "judge talent at its best, character at its worst". If God can do that, how much worse can the devil be?

Do you take God's recorded goodness as factual?

dare2think: Can you name any point in history where killing has been absent or uncommon.


Killing/murder is part of our humanity and as such normal.

Substitute 'killing' and put 'devil' in your post and perhaps get some perspective on your logic.

musKeeto: SO when GOD kills, is he influenced by the DEVIL?

is it normal for people to kill each other?

Proverbs13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

you know He is bad and evil from one passage you call fact, but you refuse to see He is good from other passages? Stop deceiving yourself. Oh give thanks unto the Lord for He is good, too good.

sure way: I just want to know why most ladies that sees nothing wrong in wearing mini skirt,trouse etc..and says christianity is a thing of the heart..get to the North pherhap for Education,NYSC..all of a sudden changes their mode of dressing to decent ones.

For fear of instant judgment, and because there are no sinners of like mind to entice them to dress waywardly.

atrabilious, oh my. One thing with these folks that have "been to hell ", they usually comport themselves(dress wise) afterwards.