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Proverbs 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

eristicocococococo. Ola my brother, i dey always joy at your post.

mazaje: Its is very normal for people to kill each other . . .Killing is something that doesn't require spiritual agents. . .Do you have evidence of satan commanding them to kill?. . .If not why are you making such claims?. . .Spirits we are told have some shape and form for example we are told angles have wings etc..What about satan what form does he have?. .

What? As in, whaaaaaat? It is very normal for people to kill each other? And somebody said there is no devil. i rest my case.

@From Guriga
i don't know son of Sam the murderer, but i know that IF any man be in Christ, he is a new creature. Old things are passed away and all things are become new.

hisblud: Bros, here https://www.nairaland.com/298119/30-keys-being-effective-atheist#4207812
whenever i go through all they say, reading thru what badu enumerates i just laf Help yourself

Thanks jare.

double post

mazaje: The topic is about satan not sound, if you want to discuss sound open a topic and discuss it there, what is the form or image of satan?. . .Don't dodge, answer the question. . .

You have been told that satan is invisible. He is not physical matter, its irrational to forcefully treat him as physical. That is why you are getting parallel questions for other invisible things that we believe that you'd readily accept their existence. Nuclear energy is real, there are things that are not readily perceptible to humans but other mediums can detect. You cannot see what a dog or cat can see. What some animals have heard or smelled, you may not hear or smell until too late. Dangers that animals have perceived and migrated, humans may use precise, delicate and expensive instruments.
Not everything is rational. There are realities that are not subject to the rational or logical. You need to quit acting like anything that cannot be logically or rationally explained consistently is not real. Not everything is subject to laboratory. Take for instance the case I mentioned about those guys that killed a soldier, was it real? Was it rational? The news people are doing their best and the london police too will try to get reasons. But this is not just reason, there is a spirit in collaboration, there is an outside influence. You can decide to live in denial.

mazaje: They don't have a form. . .What is the form of satan? .

mazaje: Sound exist in form of waves. . .We are taking about satan

This is one confused mazaje. Are we talking about satan? What is the shape and color of sound?

mazaje: LOL!!!. . . Do you know any one that used any of your mediums and saw satan?. . .

yes i do. Do you know anyone who used any of those mediums?

You guys were so particular to see satan and spirit. Talk is cheap. You have been shown the way to clearly experience such. Spirit travel, astral and psychic study, mysticism, sorcery are all real. Its rather convenient to sit facelessly on the internet and criticize. There is the real world out there, where these things i say are not revelation but are easily affirmed and confirmed by older and more exposed people than you. Indeed, if you think education is expensive try ignorance.

[quote author=*Kails*]It's ironic how the church folks used to hate on Kirk and this song saying he was making a mockery of X-Tianity and now most Christian songs use the same style. [/quote]they got used to it and embraced it. The Word of God is unchanging though the love of many may wax cold.

plaetton: MRI can map out in graphic color, anger, fear, joy and other mental states and emotions.

possible. There are crude mediums to use to physically experience the reality of spirits. Perhaps, we might get a scientific breakthrough apparatus to measure in the future?

mazaje: Human emotions is now satan?. . .

Answer the question, have you seen anger or jealousy drive a person? What is the shape, color or form you saw if yes?

mazaje: you must be a witness to come up with such a statement, no?. . .Have you ever seen satan commanding any body to do anything?. . .

Again, have you ever seen anger drive someone or jealousy?

mazaje: Anger is an emotion and it is visible, when am angry you will know just by looking at me. . .Is anger caused by satan?. . .

Anger is visible? What is the shape or form or color or size of anger?

dare2think: ha ha ha ha . lol

Joke of the Century. Tell me you do stand ups, if not, you need to change your occupation.

Comedy is your Forte.

Satan ordered the two, can you e-mail me the memo of that meeting? The collaboration, was Pastor Oyedepo there too?

Waiting for the memo.

What a Joke

From satan to God to comedy to Oyedepo. You need a friend.

mazaje: You saw him ordering them when and where?. . .How did he order them and what did he tell them, how was the instruction given, since you were there and saw what happned pls educate us. . .

You are assuming many things.

mazaje: Is anger caused by satan?. . .I have seen people do things on their own, you are yet to tell me how and when you saw satan telling or commanding people to do anything. . .Or are human emotions now satan?. .

Is anger visible or invisible?

dare2think: Lol, you need to engage your imagination in something more intuitive as well. Your delusional stories and assertions are just ridiculous.

Yes, I have more questions, But i'll start with this;

How do you know if a 'bad thing' that was committed is Satan inclined or Man inclined?

You may need to be specific. Like for instance, there is this story making the rounds about two men hacking a soldier to death in london. That is a collaboration. Satan inclined and he clearly ordered two of his own.

thehomer: Sure like the dead girl that got resurrected? Or the blind man?

what dead girl and what blind man? Were the dead girl and blind man standing in brazen unbelief of God or proudly mocking God and getting miracles? i have no time for squabbles abeg, you can open another thread to share your disappointments and frustrations. i have shown you plainly from scriptures that the gospel of Christ can be hindered. The gospel of Christ is the good news of salvation, deliverance and healing. i have nothing more to say to you on this thread except on the OP.

dare2think: The meetings you chaired when Satan and Man collaborated!

The ones you delegated responsibilities to, since both seem to have choices on which bad things to do and whatnot.

I assume you were there when Satan and Man were deciding who should be responsible.

You have very wild assumptions, you need to engage your imaginations in something more productive. Any more reasonable questions?

mazaje: Have you ever seen the devil force any body to do anything? Have you ever seen the devil collaborate with any body or are you just propagating ancient myths you have been indoctrinated to accept as true?. . .

Have you ever seen anger drive anyone?

mazaje: Your evidence to show that christians are happeier than NON christians any where in the world is?. . . .Evidence that christians commit less crimes than non christians is what?. . . .What evidence do you have to show for these things?. . .I don't drink at all so I don't know where you got your tale about satan telling me to drink, by the way have you ever seen satan telling any body to drink?. . .Even Jesus drank as well according to the bible. . .What are you on about?. .

What sort of evidence would you accept? I used the word 'if' as regards to drinking. i see youth were deceived to focus on only that. Your sins you hid but you cannot hide it from God. Thanks be to God, your op has been answered. i hope the things you learnt stick.

thehomer: But Jesus was able to help people in their iniquities. Just face it. Your prayers failed. As usual.

You didn't add that He could not help unbelievers like the pharisees but only helped those who had faith in Him and were humble to see Him as their Help.

hisblud: why are you trying to change the topic, you want to see satan, stay on it, dont compare us with you... stay the course and find satan... btw are we suppose to do your assignments for you ... dont be lazy... youve asked a questions and we have provided answers [MEDITATE], take a break off nairaland, and dedicate your precious time to seek him... and get your result...also looking forward to your inspiring youtube video when you come to nigeria

hisblud, where did you get those numbered 'laws' that seem to aptly describe tied guys and their moves?

dare2think: My Goodness!!

Please tell me you read your post properly before posting it. Man and Satan are both responsible, right? Man is responsible in some cases and in otherS Satan 'tricks' Man,right? And to add to the delusion, 'sometimes man collaborate with the Devil'.

Did you attend all the meetings and collaborations?

Please tell me you were at all the meetings? lol

This is just plain pathetic.

i helped you amplify mans responsibility since you initially thought man was not responsible. What meetings do you refer to?

thehomer: Excuse for your God not responding to your pleas for my deliverance.

i didn't plead for your deliverance. i gave you simple instructions which you did not follow.
Jer 5:25 Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withheld good things from you.

dare2think: I'm sure you were pleased with yourself after writing the nonsense above.

Man is responsible for some bad things and Satan is responsible for some too, right?

Ok, how do you decipher who is responsible for a particular 'bad thing' when it happens? Do you sit with Satan in his Boardroom to know which 'bad thing' he is involved in or which one he should participate in?

'Man is responsible for other bad things' says the telepathic magician that has the intricate knowledge of all that goes on in every Man's mind.

And since you are adept in this knowledge, who is responsible for the islamic bombings around the world, Man or Satan?


I'm certain of this though, you either feed this garbage to people or you gobble it up when told.

You are getting it little by little. See how your assumptions have been deceiving you all this while. Man is responsible for some bad things and Satan is responsible for some too. Good of you. When a man decides not to prepare for tomorrow, or take his projects seriously, he is responsible for his failure. The person who fails to plan is planning to fail. When a man does not look before he leaps, the evil that befalls is due to his carelessness, not devil. The pain he will cause his family and friends to go through, the poverty he might inflict on his children if he loses his job is caused by him, not the devil. When a man is careless with what he eats and poisons himself, it is not the devil, it is him. The debt incurred from hospital/medical expenditure is his fault, not the devil. Sometimes, man can collaborate with the devil to perpetuate evil. Many times, the devil can even force man(like you) to do what he wants. Other times, he will trick you to taking the evil decision. He can make you create chaos, break bottles and tear shirts. He can make you spoil anotherr person's life with your wickedness. You and the devil will both have to answer for your evil works on the day of judgement. Don't think you will be absolved, don't let the devil deceive you again that he is the only one doing evil.

mazaje: There is nothing in your life or the life of any christian that makes it special when compared to the life of an atheist, hindu, muslim, taoist etc, christians don't live longer,happier lives with more fulfillment than any other group of people, christians are not better protected, richer or have a better sense of fulfillment, nothing to show that there is any god guiding christians more because christians are not even more moral than non christians, so what is it and the god hypothesis?. . .Satan can NOT be clearly seen in anybody's life or thoughts, all you see are people doing things, have you ever seen or heard satan telling any body to do anything?. . .So bad things are caused by satan, eh?. . .I thought your bible say god created good and evil and not satan?. . .

The life of any true christian is special. A true christian is a follower of Jesus Christ washed and redeemed by the blood of the lamb. He lives a life of unspeakable joy and full of glory. He is free from the power of sin and able to overcome sin sweatlessly. He has received power to be the sons of God. He has the gift of prayer, the fellowship of the brethren, the abiding presence and witness of God's Spirit, the light of God's Word, and the hope of eternity. He is not as others who have NO hope. A man's life does not consist in the abundance of material possessions that he has. i've seen people who had money, cars, house, education, and yet live an unfulfilled and unhappy life. Some have even committed suicide despite their 'great' status. So many are under the yoke and shackle of sin, crime, unfaithfulness and corruption. i've seen rich christians, very rich christians. i've also seen poor christians. i've seen also that truly, a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his material wealth. i've consistently seen the way of righteousness bring in a radiant life. A life of hope and of joy inexplicable. These are things no man can buy. i've seen God show Himself strong on the behalf of His own. Christians are not promised longer lives than others by God, they are promised eternal life. i've consistently seen God change the lives and character of people, from sinners to saints. i've seen Him take away anger, immorality, hatred, selfishness, violence and problems. i've seen peace that is ABOVE understanding and explanation, unheard of in the life of any other but a christian. i've seen peace in pain, hope in hopelessness, joy in every circumstance, love without end, divine guidance repeatedly demonstrated ONLY in the life of christians. If you decide to close your eyes or sit in some room in some country where you claim there are no(few) christians, and then you make some hasty generalisation based on your limited life, well i have news for you. i've been with real christians(not just nominal). i've been with people of other and no religions. The difference is clear to me. The only respite a sinner ever has is when the sinner(watever religion or irreligion) tries at doing something righteous. Righteousness is the way God created man to live and find fulfilment. You aree under the grip of satan, and that is why you have almost no choice than to do what he tells you to do. If he tells you to get drunk, you can't say no. If he hates you so much as to tempt you to commit a crime, you will do it. If he tells you to get angry and furiously leave this thread now, you have to. He is going to tempt you now. Don't get into trouble.

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dare2think: More obfuscation, my last post did not challenge the difference, it only states that you 'enlighten' me as to what you meant by your statement.

Your elusiveness is pathetic. You revel on trivial issues so as to avoid answering legitimate questions.

Answer my question or simply ignore it.

'Satan is not necessarily responsible for every bad thing',

So who is responsible for the other bad things satan is not responsible for?

eureka! Seems the light shone? At least, now you're saying what i said, not what i didn't say. You are learning, you are making progress. Many times, man is responsible for other bad things.

[quote author=From_Guiriga]That is what they are asking, where is this great deceiver that they cannot see it. Have you seen him/her/it?[/quote]he is INVISIBLE like oxygen, infrared, microbes and magnetic waves are. Have you seen these things? Do they exist?