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hope this will be of help, has helped me.
Some folks are in a walk to know/understand God more/better, while some are in a trek to undermine an understanding or attempted attempt to know God. The concepts of omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence are attributes of God. These words are not exactly in the Bible, so its good to be careful to DEFINE them according to the attributes seen/observed IN scriptures, not just on what we feel.
Omnipotence for instance excludes God lying. God cannot lie, cannot sin, etc. yet He can do all things. The fact that He cannot lie doesn't invalidate His omnipotence, though our understanding and logic may want so.
Same way, omnipresence is basically that God is everywhere. The question may be is God in my phone, book, your spittle, urine, pot of soup etc since He's everywhere. Such assumptions show some form of logic but a dearth of the concept of omnipresence. That God isn't in your socks doesn't mean He's not omnipresent, the issue is a good grasp of the concept.
have to continue in my next post, on phone.

ayoku777: When will this bitterness stop with the conservatives? DrummaBoy is just happy that truth generated a buzz for a change instead of the many falsehoods that used to. Its not just congratulations to me but to the truth and the sound revelation of Grace.

na me you dey call names? There is no bitterness from this end, perhaps its the truth of my statement that tastes bitter to you. Anyway, i have very little qualms with what you're trying to say, its what we're saying. for his good lets HOPE you're right, though i KNOW otherwise "unfortunately".

thehomer: For clarification, please answer this question with a yes or no. Did your God give Mary his rod?

NO, king fallacy, no. You need help/deliverance not just clarification.

@FOLYKAZE

I say again, read through my post. The Jew didnt celebrate the return of dead saint because such stance was not recorded by matthew.

You lost me here, can you re-phrase this sentence?

But note one thing, if you have a love relative which lost his/her life and came back, wont you celebrate it. So logically, the even will be momentous.

You are making assumptions here again. What lost relatives coming back are you talking about?
What was momentous was the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ which i'm sure you choose to disbelief though severally recorded in the scriptures.Any other resurrection pales in significance till today.

This is what I wrote. Take time to read pls.

The walking dead according to matthew is more important than any staged miracle we have on tv today from pastors.

What do you mean by staged miracle that you have on tv today? i'm referring to the events of the past three months involving tv joshua, adeboye, kumuyi, oyedepo and oyakhilome, in their different domains all in Lagos, which you have ABSOLUTELY no idea of, not about some staged miracles that you have on your tv. The point you havefailed to grasp is that things that these pastors and their congregation considered important and miraculuous have happened in the past three months without your awareness, despite your proximity and the age of information and technolody that we are in. What is to speak for these events(3months ago till date) in fifty years time?

There are different type of history ranging from personal history, family history, to national history, and to world history. An event is said to be important base on the impact it had on the way people lived, worked or thinking. Either way it change the way people live, work and think..


The matthew walking dead is an event that is the first of it's kind to the jewish nation which many dead saints were seen in jerusalem (a town more than 10,000 people). There is no record of where mass resurrection happened in Jewish nation so if this really happens, it will make a big history.

personal opinion. What impact do you think it had compared to the resurrection of Christ or to His crucifixion. Or compared to Peter raising a lame man at the beautiful gate? What parameters are you using for measurement apart from assumptions?

The Matthew event is also momentous only if the event lead to a new way of thinking or new ideas. The people in Jerusalem will have a fresh thinking about resurrection and will be amazed to have their old dead relative back amidst them.

You are arguing against yourself here, no one said it was a momentous event except you. All everyone cares about is the resurrection of our Lord.

This incident if really happens can postulate new mentality and theory on souls cuz they are experienced.
The time it takes to be resolved or to end, the number of people involved and the range in where it happened can generally give some ideas on whether it will be remembered or not.

hasty generalisations and assumptions yet again. Who does the Bible even say that they appeared to again?

It is far more important to today miracle because:


Unlike this common pastors miracles which are mostly staged, most of the testimonies giving to miracle in churches are mere hear-say. And repetition is very common.

Any proofs to this, especially of the events in the past three months that i spoke of, or this is the usual lazy armchair wave of unbelief?

Most of those stuff they claimed to be miracle are lies or naturally healings. A man will come on stage and tell the world he had headache. After the pastor's prayer, the headache was healed. This happens naturally. Poor business change testimony can be revert by business solution. A man had accident and was not dead, it happens naturally. A woman give birth to birth to a baby after ten years of marriad can be medical problem and solve medically. A man having some medical problem took some drugs and surgery but the thing didnt work but after prayer, he was healed, this are fake stuffs. A man with HIV was healed.

You have proof that this is what happened in the past three months in pastors kumuyi, adeboye, oyedepo and cos programmes?

^^^^those things are termed miracle in churches today but they are natural things. Millions are healed with drugs and if someone comes to church to tell us he was healed from sickness is nothing special.

You have proof to back up this assertions and accusation of millions?

If miracles like this happen, then it will surely make history
amputee healing cuz such miracle cant be staged. Why not a man that was heal of cancer? Why not a child paralyzed healed?
If something like this happen, it will make history.

please give me three instances of miracles that 'made history'? thanks.

I remember the news about Adeboye driving a car without fuel from Ore to Lagos, even this incident are not proven to be right but it makes world attention. If this really happen and tested, then Adeboye will be superman. He will make history and 50 years later, he will be remembered.
All through, as dead saint is momentus event as lot of people were aware and witnessed the incident of dead relatives coming home. But no historical record to actualize this event which makes it fable. Matthew was not the only disciple that wrote the gospel. His mates would have witnessed this incident too but non of them record it despite it importance to the society. This is fable indeed


Ask question after reading my post. And stop the game of dont know, dont see. Your answer is up there

So until something catches the world's attention, it didn't happen? or what sort of logic/analogy are you using here? How many of the Bible miracles caught the world's attention outside the Bible writers? You think it was the talk of the town in Rome and Libya outside of the believers spreading the news? What is the meaning of a testimony?

of course Debo knows that tithing is a form of giving, yes?


Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

emotional tantrums oh.

2good: Meaningless post with no direction. I normally avoid debating with religious people because their reasoning is very skewed. I posted quote from d bible that is suppose to have come from your God and instead of facing those quotes, you went off point talking about king. Use your brain to reason and stop allowing pastors to think for you,

he's trying to help you reason by using what he felt to be an analogy you could process, seeing you may not be able to cope directly.

DrummaBoy: Ayoku
One should congratulate you here that your very first thread hits 11pages in about 4 day?! You sure were led to open it. Can we have a summary from you on this thread?

One obvious fact here is that most commentator hardly shift their grounds but that shouldn't discourage bc many who read but do not comment go away with something for their edification.

I for one I am becoming more and more convinced that those who question the whole gospel of grace may be serving another god, not our Lord and Master Jesus. Paul warned Timothy to take heed to his doctrine bc thereby he would save himself and his listeners. Their gospel may very well not save anyone.

I stop here and look fwd to ur summary.

who's this carnal minded fellow? What has number of thread pages got to do with congratulations and being led? Not surprised anyway, just stating how pathetic your values are.

one fellow is waking up in the middle of the night depressed about tithe, the other is complaining that his name is Pastor and not 'pastor'. What's wrong with these people? i'd advice Ihedinobi and mko2005 not to EXERT too much time or energy on this issue, the folks you're addressing are not interested in what you say.
foreknowledge

God help us all.

Goshen360: So this is where tithe\tithing was instructed in the NT right? I will deal with these scriptures as I have done in the past exposing the lies of men.

goshen stop this hypocrisy, you have quoted Galatians1:8 and Hebrew 10 here to attack the tithe teaching, nobody complained. You even gave it a pet name, "spiritual pointer"(whatever on earth that means).

FOLYKAZE: You didn't bothered to read my previous post. Pls read it again. Your answer is contained therein. The bold answer it all

i didn't see the importance or impact of the miracle in your post, you are the only one seeing things here. Even the early christians didn't attach such awe as you've shown. You still have no proof except baseless accusations that the events that happened in the lást three months aren't as important and are stage managed. Is assumption your foundation?

amusing story, what exactly do you want to be said?

Goshen360: @ m.k.o2005,

I have read what you wrote but it still doesn't answer my simple and clear question. Very simple, from the word of God, who are those commanded to receive tithe TODAY....under the Church or Christian age\Grace dispensation?

the ministers, you know the corinthian passage even so i wonder why you are asking. Are you trying to play on people's ignorance/intelligence or what?
God help us(striklymi2).

please calm down and reduce the length of your replies/answers, they are quite greasy.
So how important exactly was this Matthew miracle you mentioned. You're the first person I've seen attach this much importance to it. Tell me the significance, and the reason why you feel that all the pastors i mentioned and all the miracle performed at their events in the last three months were stage managed?

Zikkyy: you better be careful with this ya questioning, so you don't provoke somebody to the point where the man will pull a pistol on ya

no bi that kain provoke na.

Ihedinobi: I don't get your point.

he's pointless jare, don't mind him. He didn't expect that scripture that you used to reply.

Goshen360: The same thing he did with me yesterday and when I realized it, I stopped responding. He asks questions and when you answer him, he picks another question out of your response and keeping going in circle? Okay, tell us what the purpose of the law of Moses is still serving AFTER it has led us to Christ? He would not talk. I don't like such discussion please!

I'm off from here.

This is an apt description of what you do anytime i discuss tithes with you.

it's corper or better still corps member. i think there should be freedom of worship in a state school. If things are getting 'out of hand', there are ways to MANAGE issues.

you should calm down i advice. What makes the Matthew event very important, and these pastors i mentioned their events unimportant? Do you know that uncountable miracles happened in these pastors events?

debosky: You tell us what you think they are referring to - are they referring to Deuteronomy 28? Does 'commandments' refer to not wearing fabric made of two dissimilar materials or eating animals with split hooves?

i don't want to believe that you're deliberately dodging me.

I've just been grammarized.

can you calm down? and reduce the words? little by little? Fortunately, you're reasoning along the exact line i hoped. From your post, it seems you didn't have idea or awareness of most of those events. Yet they happened, right in your country, in the presence of many thousands of people, for each preacher mentioned. And there is internet and free to air tv and other media, yet you were not aware, neither were they recorded on the front page of any popular website or news media. The only source that we have for these things that happened just last month are the churches and their members! No reputable historian(whatever that means). What will we say in fifty years time, that the event didn't happen because only the church files are saying it happened?
Even if all the 66 books of the bible recorded this resurrection account, you'll still find an excuse not to believe.

wow just wow.

Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

[quote author=Da-ny-ell]You didn't comprehend my post. He is my servant not my errand-boy, that post is for jesus. So where do you want me to send him?[/quote]i ordain you as a jester.

Bidam: Another wayo way of dodging question. I thought you said you were ready for me tonite

hahaha very funny. Hope he answers tomorrow.

Bidam: Trust zikky and kun to be attracted to this thread like a moth to a flame.

That guy handles it more like oxygen sef.

oops, just googled on Femi and saw a face of a man whose life appears kinda tight. Plus mr.frosb is on google if you can't find him here, yikes. He says Femi has a quarrel with apostle Paul too, not just tithes. That is truly one viral fellow.
https://www.nairaland.com/1172179/femi-aribisala-war-against-apostle

oh my days, the joy of zikky. Who is this Femi guy BTW, so many threads on him like he's the president popular. I'll need to find some discipline to read through whatever he's rehashed. later

common, muskee and Saul? how? muskee lost his way at the sight of so many indian gods, Paul turned his world upside down. Common, apologize op.

@op
The resurrected saints are saints that were dead, duh. And the events are not urban or rural legends. Do you exactly expect names or what?
Now, that something isn't in the news doesn't mean it didn't happen. Matthew is an historian that i trust abi which qualifications he no get? Do you know that many of the things tv joshua is doing or not doing is not in the news or recorded by any historian of repute(if there is anything like that)? Its majorly on and from HIS station only. Does this translate to mean he is not giving out rice and whatever he gives even in the presence of thousands of his congregation? Bishop Oyedepo's message last Sunday to tens of thousands, how many historians will record it? If its not recorded, does that mean it never happened? Pastor Kumuyi's program last month that drew hundreds of thousands literally, did you hear about it? Did you read it on the news? If the answer is no, does that automatically mean that it never happened? Pastor Chris and Pastor Adeboye's congresses and crusades, how much can you say about the last three months 'editions'? Did you read of them on nairaland? Were hundreds of thousands of Nigerians not involved? If by chance, you didn't hear of them in this age of information and internet, what are the chances of someone hearing about these happenings fifty years from now(if Jesus tarried)? Would it be the right thing for them to dismiss that these things never happened fifty years before since no historian confirms it except for the church?

Goshen360: Yeyenatu is a Yoruba terms for meaning....You're not serious! Abi you don become actor wey no understand Yoruba again ni?

Still waiting for the important something.

what is the difference between trouble and wahala?