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Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 11:05am On Apr 27, 2012

5d). Hebrews 7.8 clearly says that Jesus receives tithes and is eligible to. God is not a man, neither is He Moses. He receiveth continually and continuously, or as in soccer parlance `tithe4life`. Hebrews 7v13-14 say nothing about tithes. You can check all the versions and language bibles you can lay hands on. You're adding to the Word again, why?

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 11:01am On Apr 27, 2012*

5c). i didn't make such claims. i said we still have God's ministers working full-time and that it's no more limited to a tribe. We still have an High Priest, albeit an unchangeable one Jesus, of the tribe of Judah. Today, you can be black and non-Jew and still work for God full-time, that's NT. It's no more the exclusive preserve of the tribe of Levi or the house of Aaron. Today, Jesus still RECEIVETH tithes Hebrews 7v8.
"And here men that die receive tithes; but there HE RECEIVETH THEM, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth." (Hebrews 7: cool

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 10:54am On Apr 27, 2012

5b). Good of you, you amended your error. i wish you could do that more often. Levites cannot be abolished, at least not from the Bible. They are a tribe in Israel, and we still see them in the future in Revelations 7. Maybe/it appears you people don't know the meaning of 'abolish'. Abolish means put an end to. e.g like slave trade abolished. It's not the same thing as 'change'. Like i can change from channel1 to channel2. That's different from abolishing channel1. We shouldn't just use big grammar to confuse ourselves. The Levitical priesthood was changed not abolished. The KJV talks of abolishing idols, even righteousness, works, enmity, death. It never mentions abolishing the Levitical priesthood, what we see is change.
Note again, tithe is not a subset of Levi, it existed before Levi. Priests/clergy/ministers are not a subset of Levi, they existed before Levi.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 10:44am On Apr 27, 2012

@Goshen
5a). A comprehension test? You must be in the spirit of the ongoing wassce. What's this question got to do with anything except to catch me in my words, hypocrital. ARRIVAL Hebrews 7. Well let's make some foundations and note the basics in Hebrews 7. If you read from verse1-8, you'd SEE that before Levi, there was a priest/clergy/spiritual leader. AND before Levi, there was tithe. I'd so love to go into detail but not to irk your cohorts, let's move on. Note the tense used in verse 9 'Levi RECEIVETH tithes'. Receiveth is not past tense, it's continuous present abi na future continuous(Debo, which one?). The verse ABOLISHES your claims that there is no more receipt of tithes. The writer of this epistle saw tithe as a present continuous thing to do, else He would have said "Levi also, who RECEIVED tithes".
The verse then says Levi paid tithes IN Abraham i.e just like we all sinned IN Adam.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 7:17am On Apr 27, 2012

9lifes: I have achieved more after i stop paying tithe 6 yrs ago.I am still waiting for the worms,i buy plenty insecticides,and i am still enjoying my God.

Read your bible people?

Some atheists have a better 'testimony' since they stopped believing in God, they are right no? i find non-tithers more materialistic than tithers. Coincidence?

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 1:13am On Apr 27, 2012

And goshen, i see you improvised. Your questions now have children, hopefully the remaining may even have g.children. How fruitful and duplicitous. BTW, your (a) question is not clear or comprehensible enough.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 12:59am On Apr 27, 2012

Image123: This shows a poor, v.poor understanding of tithes and tithing. As usual, i leave kunle to his blindness.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 12:57am On Apr 27, 2012

Pastor Kun: Chei dis kweshion 5 is tooooo hot oo! Me sef I no fit ansa am over to you apostle Image

Further confirmation of what i first said on this thread. You lack understanding of the issues on ground, and of the Bible passages you so often fight. What you ought to do is humble yourself and learn from those who practice or understand.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 10:21am On Apr 26, 2012

Pastor Kun: Are you being deliberately ignorant with this kind of fraudulent answer?

You've chosen to be ignorant and proudly so. Where does the Bible say that Levites were abolished? It's not my fault that Goshen asked a wrong question and refused to humbly correct himself. Next question Goshen abi, e don finish be that? If i use one line answer question, dey go say na fraudulent. If i pass one line, they go accuse me of dancing. This guys go harsh pass Saduccees o.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 10:11am On Apr 26, 2012

nuclearboy: Image123:

Everyone is asking questions and since I answered yours, let me ask some too that will aid viewers understand what is happening here

What do you do for a living?

Are you a pastor or aspiring pastor?

Is tithe(s) your primary (or secondary) source of income?

Why are you lying and refusing to answer simple questions directly IF INDEED you truly believe your position is right?

Is it righteous or holy to avoid honesty and dance about issues? which of Jesus or His Apostles behaved like this?

Only 5 questions but readers will see through you!

i made the deal, and it's not in the deal that I would answer your question(s). Nonetheless, i'll answer this though you've already known the answers before but refused to know.
1). i do not wish to disclose my private life, but i'm a civil servant.
2). i'm not a pastor, neither do i aspire to be one.
3).no
4). i'm not lying, and i've answered ALL the questions that i agreed to answer.
5). No, is it? Because i also feel that's what you guys are doing. Is it?

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Christians Lose Their Salvation? by Image123(m): 12:40am On Apr 26, 2012

It seems i see where you people are missing it. You're leaving out the fact that every man needs to repent and believe before he can be saved. You jump straight to the salvation part, neglecting the important repentance and belief.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Christians Lose Their Salvation? by Image123(m): 12:35am On Apr 26, 2012

italo: Leave them alone. They say their names are in God's book of life and can never be erased regardless of what they do. Leave them alone.

They don't know for sure if their names are there. A pity they've been predestined to argue for Calvin and still go to hell.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 12:00am On Apr 26, 2012

Goshen360: @ Image123,

Please stop playing games. This is serious as you said. The question says, "levites or levitical priesthood". It's the same thing. Levites functioned under the "levitical" priesthood. It's NOT tribe of Judah that functioned under or as levitical priesthood,it's the Levi and ALL the different version I quote proved that. Your answer was that the bible does not say it was abolished and I helped you quote different versions to show it was abolished.

So please answer Q4 now AFTER I showed you where the bible said it was abolished. Thank you.

What i have written, i have written. My answer remains the same as far as your question also remains the same. i don't have to say it again but i would, next question.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 11:57pm On Apr 25, 2012

@Jem1
i almost forgot to chip in that your vex against any passage of scripture(in this case Malachi 3) is uncalled for. i don't recall even making a reference to that passage, or perhaps your post wasn't addressed to me?

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 10:57pm On Apr 25, 2012

nuclearboy:

An amazing level of fraud!

I thought the question was if the levitical "priesthood" was abolished!

So how does it become if the Levites were abolished?

But we must dodge abi? And do wayo especially in the name of God?

We are kuku under "Grace" abi? So the belongings of the poor can be seized and used to honor ourselves!

But Christ apparently saw this and said "the will I say unto them, 'I never knew you, workers of iniquity'". Always, someone will laugh last!

Goshen360: Q4: Was the Levites or Levitical priesthood (who were instructed/commanded to receive tithe and in turn pay tithe to the priest) ABOLISHED or NOT?

You should question the ambiguity of the question, not me. When i gave a detailed answer, your boys complained that I was going round and giving a rebuttal. Now, it's short, na still complain. i already knew that whatever answer i give, you guys were ready to pull out the injured-pity card. If i don't quote Bible verse literally, you'll say answer is not biblical, if i put Bible verse, you'll pull out the twist card. There should be a difference in 'playing' and seriousness. You guys are not ready to learn, next question?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Fallacy Of "Free Will" by Image123(m): 10:56pm On Apr 25, 2012

Jenwitemi: Let the universe decide that. That is Hitler's worry and his alone.

Who is the universe, was i right to mention that this guy's viewpoint is nonsense.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 10:53pm On Apr 25, 2012

Goshen360: Q4: Was the Levites or Levitical priesthood (who were instructed/commanded to receive tithe and in turn pay tithe to the priest) ABOLISHED or NOT?

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 10:45pm On Apr 25, 2012

nuclearboy:

An amazing level of fraud!

I thought the question was if the levitical "priesthood" was abolished!

So how does it become if the Levites were abolished?

But we must dodge abi? And do wayo especially in the name of God?

We are kuku under "Grace" abi? So the belongings of the poor can be seized and used to honor ourselves!

But Christ apparently saw this and said "the will I say unto them, 'I never knew you, workers of iniquity'". Always, someone will laugh last!

Goshen360: Q4: Was the Levites or Levitical priesthood (who were instructed/commanded to receive tithe and in turn pay tithe to the priest) ABOLISHED or NOT?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Seem To Bless Some People When They Do Not Have Any time for Him by Image123(m): 9:31pm On Apr 25, 2012

Material blessings are nothing. No sinner can boast of Freedom from sin or forgiveness of sins. Those are the things that would matter both now and in eternity.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 9:09pm On Apr 25, 2012

Goshen360: Q4: Was the Levites or Levitical priesthood (who were instructed/commanded to receive tithe and in turn pay tithe to the priest) ABOLISHED or NOT?

The Bible does not say anywhere that the Levites were abolished.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 4:32pm On Apr 25, 2012

ithink kunle should re-name this thread "COMFORTABLE QUESTIONS FOR TITHE GIVERS". Just suggesting guys, just suggesting, don't take it hard on yourselves.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 4:30pm On Apr 25, 2012

Where are you? Please, i already pleasssssse answered pleaseeeeee.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 4:19pm On Apr 25, 2012

3 ). i'm not NOW teaching that tithe is from ALL THINGS. Tithe has ALWAYS been from ALL since forever. Ask Abraham our Father, he gave tithes of ALL(Genesis 14v20). So it's not a new thing, it precedes, seniors and surpasses Levi. Abraham gave tithes OF ALL, He's the father of faith and of ALL faithful givers. He's the one who rejoiced to SEE our day. He saw it, and oh boy, how glad He was. He would not be limited by carnal ordinances.
Jesus wasn't giving instruction? My, oh my, you're one lucky person Goshen. Kunle should not dare this. "The world" is looking and watching your fumble.
God's instruction encompasses the whole of scriptures. Look into the whole scriptures. Start from the places that speak of tithes and find out. Luke 18.12 is very significant.
"I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. " (Luke 18:12).
A man, speaking of the common practice in Jesus' days, "I give tithes OF ALL that I possess". These are the facts. Truth hurts less with time.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 3:41pm On Apr 25, 2012

Hahaha, Gooooshen! "The whole worldddddd!" Glory be to God, i'm not part of that world. i hope nuclear would not regret putting his trust in you. So, you no really get questions, you're playing by ear?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Seem To Bless Some People When They Do Not Have Any time for Him by Image123(m): 3:33pm On Apr 25, 2012

God is a good and merciful God. He allows the sun to rise, and the harvest to be plenty both for the just and the unjust. Transient material blessings are not a show of God's approval but of His goodness.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Christians Lose Their Salvation? by Image123(m): 1:58pm On Apr 25, 2012

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
Eze 33:13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
Eze 33:14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
Let these sayings sink deeply into your ears, salvation can be lost.

Christianity Etc › Re: Nairaland Theological Forum:- Is It A Forum Or A Pulpit by Image123(m): 1:21pm On Apr 25, 2012

musKeeto: Are you talking about Nigerians?

You know who we're talking about.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Fallacy Of "Free Will" by Image123(m): 1:19pm On Apr 25, 2012

Jenwitemi: I only gave my own viewpoint on the subject. I don't give a hoot about the christian's/biblical meaning because that viewpoint is somebody else's and not mine. Nothing wrong with that, dude. Everyone is entitled to their own viewpoints and that includes those of the guys who wrote the biblical texts.

And your viewpoints remain what they are, NONSENSE.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 1:07pm On Apr 25, 2012

Where is that PastorBaba 'obfuscare' the time-keeper? Come and ring another bell oh? Copycopy, you no quote me again?
Where's that his post abi nuclear don tell the guy? Let me not bother, d guy no dey inspire at all.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 12:44pm On Apr 25, 2012

Now you call the thing 'God's tithing' to entrap me. If i mentioned 'tithing' now, nuclear will go on a holy lecture on verbs, nouns and adjectives. At your convenience too, you'd call it 'Levitical tithing', let's be sincere please Goshen. i implore you to come out of the old testamental veil of the letter, into the grace that abounds. Allow God's people to give their tithe as God has increased them, not by your lettered view. Some of you are so like the levite and the priest in 'the good Samaritan' story: i don't want to be unclean, i don't want to be late for church, i want to keep the law, wholly mechanical. Truth is spiritual in essence, not confined to words and letters. Why at the end of the day after all has been argued, do you guys not find peace? No, you must argue a little more, call on snowwy and Olaa and ABD to come talk tithes all over. There's a mark you're not taking note of. Let's humble ourselves, and also heed advice like Olaa my brother just posted.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 12:32pm On Apr 25, 2012

@Goshen
2 ). i said that SOMETIMES, God is specific and detailed on instruction, OTHER TIMES, HE IS NOT. And i gave examples. It's either we're just trying to win an argument, or we're learning and discussing. It's good if you'll choose which in sincerity and not be seeking to catch me in my words like the pharisees. God NEVER put the word 'ONLY', antitithers did. You're becoming guilty of adding to God's Word and i hope you know the consequences. It's good you realise your sins and repent quickly. Tithe is clearly from 'ALL things' as read in 2Chronicles 31v5. We should look at the whole scriptures in totality, not just picking and choosing our fancies. Abraham gave tithes and it was not ONLY of crops and animals, was it? His tithes was accepted and acknowledged even in Hebrews 7 as by God's Spirit.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Fallacy Of "Free Will" by Image123(m): 8:15am On Apr 25, 2012

jmoore: for example there are two cellphones in the market and one is in perfect condition while the other can explode in your ear while making a phone call. The seller of this product makes you to know the disadvantages of one and the advantages of the other. It is now left for you to make a choice. It will be foolishness for anyone to buy the one that can explode in the ear. There is freewill in choice making and those choices have their effects. A freewill to choose between touching a live n@ked wire and not touching it. There is no fallacy here if you put your reasoning together.

Very true. One can choose to hug the nak.ed wire especially after a disappointment, or work something better/else out.

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