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Christianity Etc › Re: Can Christians Lose Their Salvation? by Image123(m): 9:20am On Apr 22, 2012

[quote author=i.chuka]In the Bible Dogs and Sows refer to the UNSAVED ones.they do not refer to the Saved ones.if a person is a SHEEP,he will never perish.[/quote]they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. They have known the way of righteousness, and the holy commandment has been given unto them. If these are not saved, i wonder what is.

Christianity Etc › Re: Which Church? by Image123(m): 9:11am On Apr 22, 2012

Verily verily i say unto you, you MUST be born again.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 8:33am On Apr 22, 2012

Image123: i'm not attacking kunle's personality, whatever that means. i've only stated the truth, kunle should best be ignored because he is blind and unwilling to learn. He just wastes your time going in circles. For instance, if question one is answered, kunle would run to another question and another. At the end of the day(day here being day or week or month even year), kunle would ask question one again here or in another thread, as if his query had never been addressed before.

Note the bolded. i thinking of prophet apostle ordination, not just apostle, lol.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 8:29am On Apr 22, 2012

Image123: This shows a poor, v.poor understanding of tithes and tithing. As usual, i leave kunle to his blindness.

This was my first post on the thread.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 8:26am On Apr 22, 2012

Pastor Kun: Do you seriously expect them to come out and answer these questions? These questions are too hot and they know that any attempt at answering them would expose them for the hypocrites they are. My bet is that all pro tithe preachers would simply ignore this thread less they be made to look fullish.

This was the thought and bet of the OP.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 8:05am On Apr 22, 2012

Big lol at Bible turning its back. Na wa o Goshen, some of actually sleep na. And go to church too. And give tithe. You guys enjoy, i'm not going into more questions now, i already answered more than 10. Let's 'score' that one first. The OP stated them as 'questions tithing advocates fail to answer'. We don answer now, and the questions look irrelevant to you too. So we're looking for bigger, tougher questions ba?

Christianity Etc › Re: Making Up Your Cv by Image123(m): 9:32pm On Apr 21, 2012

What would a man give in exchange for his soul?

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Christians Lose Their Salvation? by Image123(m): 9:22pm On Apr 21, 2012

"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
"For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
"But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." (2 Peter 2:20-22).
Salvation can be lost, let this saying sink into your ears.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 9:09pm On Apr 21, 2012

nuclearboy: Image,

Christ NEVER hid from His Own! Or perharps you could show me one example where He dodged like you have been doing? Can't you simply answer the questions? Simple direct honest answers which do not contain non-issue or posturing?

Them "you know who" already perfected this insistence in prevarication until the real "issues" get lost in a hail of "stories"! You and me know they are pretenders and only worship their tummies! You cannot wish to be like those, can you? And you NEVER get tongue-tied like this except concerning tithes!

Be honorable and face Goshen head on and honestly

Nuclear, answering a question is not equal to honour. You know i've been avoiding tithe issues for a while now, and it took me so long to even get into this. you guys asked for the OP to be addressed, i did. i've tried. Let's settle number 1 first at least, that way we'd see that there's some 'progress'.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 9:04pm On Apr 21, 2012

OLAADEGBU: I can see that you still managed to do a disappearing act on the verbal inerrancy of the Scriptures.

How can I leave the OP out of this since this thread is his idea? Shall we leave the weighty matters out at the expense of his pet subject?

you're one funny brother my brother. Allow Goshen please, he's 'clean'.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 7:06pm On Apr 21, 2012

nuclearboy: @Image123:

Thanks for your answer! I would have liked to revert with a rebuttal but I think Goshen360 has this very well covered and I will leave it to him so there is less space for manipulations and long-winded posturing.

What would be nice is if you (and like minds) would just answer his questions directly without the delay, dribbling and manipulative tactics!

All questions asked of Christ were answered WITHOUT ambiguity! it would be nice if we would actually follow THAT example!

Not all questions asked Christ were answered, and not Christ said was 'clear', He even deliberately spoke in parables.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 4:33pm On Apr 21, 2012

Goshen360: ^
You might as well wish to answer the questions i intend to ask Apostle Image123 sir. Can I ask you some direct questions sir?

Would be fair we settled this first question first. I put Jem1 on hold as well. i also like setting questions and conducting exams o, don't put me in the mode

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 4:21pm On Apr 21, 2012

i don't say it's right or wrong to run our lives based on emotions. They say emotion is stronger than reasoning. i'll say God gave us emotions. Emotion is a part of us, as well as intellect. Love is emotion, no? If God was driven by love to give the world His Son, if Jesus was driven by love to the cross. i see nothing wrong with making 'emotional' decisions. The whole of God's law is 'run by love, an emotion'. But my point on churches still been operated was a reply on levitical priesthood/system ending. The purpose of tithing remains the same, to consistently take care of God's full time workers. It's not exactly a sorry feeling, tithe is not alms.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 4:10pm On Apr 21, 2012

nuclearboy: @Image123:

Seems what you are projecting is an emotional argument - "they are doing the work of God so let's feel sorry for them and help them by giving" when you say "churches still have to be run" and "there's nothing wrong with giving stipulated giving"

Point is, are we supposed to run our lives on the basis of emotions! We see professional beggars (who have no injury but refuse to work even when offered jobs to do) and give them because it makes us feel good - "God saw me give that beggar and will reward me"! Na so? Is that right?

Goshen deliberately made his points using the Bible and so did Jem1 - WITH concise applicable examples we all can relate to just as Jesus Himself used! Yet here is your rebuttal summarized - "Churches still have to be run (so bring money in anyhow)".

Would you then be offended if someone says it seems as if you know this truth but prefer denial?

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Christians Lose Their Salvation? by Image123(m): 10:02am On Apr 21, 2012

gooooooooooooooal!

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Exodus Pharoah Really A Bad Man? by Image123(m): 9:55am On Apr 21, 2012

mkmyers45: Go and answer kunle Oshob's questions and stop bieng a pathetic slob...

hope you're still following?

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Christians Lose Their Salvation? by Image123(m): 10:28pm On Apr 20, 2012

One thing most are missing here is that the individual has to turn to be saved. The same turning renders you unsaved. So it matters where you're turning to. Man's not a robot.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 10:02pm On Apr 20, 2012

Finally, yes, i meant specifically the 2nd and 3rd. And if people have not yet learnt to give, it'll be good one puts them through with the help of 'a school master'. Not everyone is a giver. Not everyone knows how to give, so the 'school master' is useful around.
However, the 'first tithe' is still much needful as churches still have to be run. Tithing did not bring us to grace. There you go again equating tithing with the law.
There's nothing wrong with giving stipulated givings. "Everyone AS GOD HAS prospered him" is a stipulated percentage, yes? It's not a work for salvation, it is giving.
The 2nd and 3rd tithes are not needed anymore IMO but if you feel they should be taught so that we can have complete truth, i have no objections. Ce finis.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 9:51pm On Apr 20, 2012

b. i told you that these tithe taught giving. I don't know who you call tithe teachers, and don't know what they teach or don't teach. But i know many people encourage charity, even non-christians. i showed 'IN' as the operative word in my explanation, to emphasize the distinction between the second and the third tithe. You say/know this type of tithe is now impossible to practice and yet you're asking 'tithe teachers' to teach it. You, my brother are becoming impossible.
c. People are encouraged to give. Even muslins know the importance of giving and practice it more than many christians. The average pastor will tell you to be kind and generous. I don't know where you get "all they ever say". The first tithe i explained has no 'break'. Offerings have no break. Giving has no break. Jesus said "Give", He didn't talk about breaks. If you want to teach people to practice 'the 3rd tithe', you're FREE. Teach the 'complete truth' and of course, apply the breaks.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 9:28pm On Apr 20, 2012

I'd try to connect to quotes later for easier reading. i'm currently reading goshen's post and replying through phone.
If your singers and co are set apart for that work in your church, then they'll be paid. It depends on the arrangement, agreement and administration of the church location.
Abraham and Levi gave tithe to Melchizedek BEFORE the Levitical priesthood. Tithe outlives the priesthood, they no be mates. hebrews 7.8 is continuous tense, not past.
"And here men that die receive tithes; but there he RECEIVETH them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth." (Hebrews 7: cool

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i said we have pastors. The office of a pastor is not the office of a priest. There are different offices, priest, prophet, King, pastor, teacher etc. We should stop stereotyping pastors as priests, would i have to say this yet again? Your pastors, bishops, apostles etc are not 'standing between you and God'. They are your leaders, they have rule over you, and are worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR. There is no temple but there are church locations today, that's undeniable. We don't have to go into all these word jangling. Call it temple, tabernacle, synagogue, parish, cell centre whatever. There are meeting places where believers meet. There was one temple, now there are multiple churches.
Who said it MUST STILL NOT BE MONEY. You're now a law giver, ehn? A tithe is a tenth. You guys are so particular about the letter, pharisaic stuff, really.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 9:01pm On Apr 20, 2012

Okay, to finish the first question 'rebut'. i talked about David, about prophets, about Anna, are you taking my words out of context. That's unfair na my brother.
There is order in God's house. Jesus couldn't have been diverting the tithes from the levites into His 'ministry'. The Levitical system was still in place and Jewish christians still went to the temple. You find them so often IN THE TEMPLE in the book of Acts. Peter and John went to the temple to pray even after pentecost. Paul was there purifying himself before his arrest. The levites were still there till 70A.D when the temple was destroyed and the Jews scattered as prophesied.
"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." (Hebrews 8:13). We are aware though, that offerings began to be collected as the church began to grow, a practice not done when Jesus was around. And tithe is a form of offering, yes or yes?

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Exodus Pharoah Really A Bad Man? by Image123(m): 7:32pm On Apr 20, 2012

mkmyers45: Ajayi who send you? wont you go and tackle the tithe issue and clear your name? OLODO RABATA

Clear my name? is it ajayi or musa? Keep the silent following, it may pay off.

Politics › Re: Airforce Jet Accidentally Fires Missile At Building In Port-harcourt. by Image123(m): 4:04pm On Apr 20, 2012

naptu2: It's just crazy! I wonder what would have happened if people had died.

Their family members would be given one million naira.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Exodus Pharoah Really A Bad Man? by Image123(m): 3:58pm On Apr 20, 2012

mkmyers45: Hmmnnn..what re you scared of? You cant even give your "WORD".....Wonders what kind of a "Born Again" does that?

Foolish atheists looking for sin partners. Lying is to deceive, obviously Gosh had an explanation, he changed his mind. Stop derailing the thread with your frustrations.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Christians Lose Their Salvation? by Image123(m): 3:54pm On Apr 20, 2012

italooooooooo, i dey your back on this one, no be small.

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncomfortable Questions For Tithe Preachers by Image123(m): 3:38pm On Apr 20, 2012

Goshen360: Hey, G'morning Zikky and Image,

No controversy and no distraction sirs, . Face the panel of judges.

@ Apostle Image123,

You don finish with your response? so we go move ahead?

i'm busier than planned. i'll finish up when i get home from work, sorry.

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