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Kay 17:
^^your god feed on ppl's misery. Why should a marriage be a life imprisonment?

Your child is your child forever, so why can't your spouse be your spouse forever. God's vision of marriage is that they are no more two but one. i.e husband wife should be closer than parent child. Every bitter relationship can be worked at. Christians are supposed to forgive their brother 70X7, how much more themselves/spouse.
Grace came by Jesus, so they can come boldly before the throne of grace, and get the grace to make their marriage work. Useless can become useful, water can become wine when Christ is invited into a situation. LET NOT MAN PUT ASUNDER.

james2man:
Yes it can be, I attend Sunday service,wednesday programms(bible study)6pm and Saturday choir practise so this is possible it has nothing to do with my lectures time and moreover i'm a part time student.

From your explanation above, you're not spending more time than other workers in your church. I calculate you're not spending more than 15hours in a week at the church. HOW is that FULL Time.

i'm still a student and yet i consider myself as a full-time instrumentalist

How can this be? Do you know the meaning of FULL time?
When you get paid for a sacrifice, you don't call it a sacrifice but expenses. That's business, expenses paid

Aaah! 'Let a bear robbed of her whelps meet a man rather than a fool in his folly'. Muddled, you should be worried, you do not continue to disappoint only me but also the ones you love. Scandals are not the norm, they are scandals. You don't use scandals to generalise. Scandals happen everywhere; schools, institutions, courts, prison, homes, universities, organisations everywhere.
You choose to believe scandals hook, line and sinker but you're hopeless against the great things of God. Do you accept the wonderful works of grace and righteousness in scriptures and among great christians of old and now? Grow up and stop having muscle pulls over nothing.

Hebrews 12v23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect.
Of course, you know Jesus is the God the Judge of all referred to. Here it is.
John 5v22,23
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He
that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Even the Psalmist knew this before it was said by Jesus on earth. How them do you not know after it's been said?
Psalm 82v8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
Jesus is coming and He will inherit all nations, you know that i hope?
And so on and forth we may in. I sincerly hope He shows it unto you until you truly believe.
John 16v15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
All things that the Father hath are mine, all things including 'God'.

Recall the popular Isaiah 9v6 that tells us about Jesus The mighty God. Isaiah 43v11 is similar to Isaiah 44v6
Isaiah 43v11. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
There's only one Saviour, i'm sure Kola, you know who it is. He is the Lord God. His brand name is Jesus, the painter of the sky. Talking about saving and redeeming, Jesus did it with His own blood.
Acts 20v28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
God purchased us the church with His own blood. He built us. Hebrews 3v3,4 refers to Jesus who said 'upon this rock, I build my church'
Hebrews 3v3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. 4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
He is God. He that built all things is God.
Acts 7v59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Calling upon God is same as saying Lord Jesus, for He is verily God.
John 14v9,10
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

He plays the EXACT same role with God in a way no other person, angel or being can play because He is God.
2Peter 1v11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
That is where we most times refer to as the kingdom of God. Michael or Gabriel or Moses could never fit into this verses, only God could and can.
Galatians4v6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
The bolded is the Spirit of God no doubt.
Luke 22v65 And many other things blasphemously spake they against him.
I'm not 100% on this, but i've always thought only God can be said to be blasphemed in the real sense. I don't think one can speak blasphemously against, say Peter or an angel.
Isaiah 44v6 is so clear, i think.
Isaiah 44v6. Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Bible students know the King of Israel, it's Jesus in care some readers don't know. He's also the King of kings. He is the Redeemer, the first and the last as has already been pointed out by others. He says Beside me there is NO God. There goes what we refer to as the doctrine of the Trinity(3 in 1).

But 33years is not the end of the story. He is genesis to revelation. And there are undeniable 'hints' to His true status from which He humbled Himself. It is the status of God. I believe the Word of God to be the Word of God and not just the words of some men (1Thessalonians 2v13), but let's assume with you that it is the words of men. Well this were men that knew God and are our pillars, the cloud of witnesses who we WILL see in Heaven. They knew Him and handled Him. Let's re-hear some exciting things that they said about Jesus. Please hear it through before your 're'conclusion(Proverbs 18v13). I've to be somewhere, so will be back later with other passages.
1John 5v20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Romans 9v5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
These are hints to Christ's deity.

2Corinthians8v9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
He was rich, but He BECAME poor and a servant, for us all. That's why He came! There was no other person worthy.
Revelation 5v3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
They looked for, and there was none, so He gave up all for us. We need never forget this. It wasn't His original position, He did/endured it for us. So He may be our perfect example, the Way showing what God wants of us. He taught us humility and shamed pride, that we may be like-minded irrespective of our 'social' status. He was only showing/teaching us lowliness of mind (Philippians 2v1-11).
Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.
Unbelievers ask alot for a proof of God's existence. They're like why won't He speak and let them hear for themselves. But God works with faith, and here was Jesus (the very Word), made flesh. He could have told it a million times, during His about 33years stay with us, that He was God. But He didn't play a fast one. He thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but instead made himself of no reputation.
All those verses you quoted show Him of no reputation, a servant, in the likeness of men, and we know why. But He truly/actually had reputation for He is God. He humbled Himself.

I thank God for all our christian brethren who have responded beautifully above. Just to add a few things. It needs be said though that spiritual things require Revelation. It's the best way to GET what is being said. A thousand points made may never suffice. That's why i adviced, Kola Oloye, that you pray. Much more when we see that great is the mystery of Godliness. It is a great mystery, it's beyond what we all see. It's a ground to tread with caution.
The 'misunderstanding' arises from some of the incidences/statements we encounter in scriptures like some of which you Kola, have pointed out. But it will do believers a world of good if we do not behave like the unbelievers.
proverbs 18v13. He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
It's what unbelievers do, but believers should look closely and completely before we conclude. Strong reasons have pointed out/quoted by others already to show that Jesus is God and Creator. I want to highlight some reasons for some of the incidences/matter you've mentioned.

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=532471.msg6951175#msg6951175 date=1287225515]Proverbs 17:28
28 Even a fool when he holds his peace is considered wise; when he closes his lips he is esteemed a man of understanding.[/quote]I couldn't help but laugh when i saw this. Rhino quotes Bible, interesting. Thanks to Joagbaje, you owe him on this. By the way, have you one, practised what you quoted and two, considered the subject of the verse? It's talking to you and your colleagues. Psalm 14v1. Hope that word 'colleague' doesn't throw you up like it did your pal.

Mudley313:
one of "my colleagues"? this guy, you sure say you dey okay so. i see you're seeking to engage in uneccessary e-battle of words; jobless retard. why dont you go make better use of your worthless self by going to fill out job applications instead of seeking male attention online. fagg0t

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Oh you should be capable of making some sense, shouldn't you? Stop acting like a kid, you're not. Grow up

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=532471.msg6950651#msg6950651 date=1287219014]. . . That one that was bleeping mary magdalaine the LovePeddler or are you telling me he is a gay.
Keep it coming fella i am enjoying the game. . . Be my guest i suggest.[/quote]I really do not make sense of what you're saying. Who is mary magdalaine? Another maga? What's bleeping?

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=532471.msg6949457#msg6949457 date=1287185433]. . . . Yeah devil is alive hia and the pathetic jewish carpenter has proving to be dead.[/quote]I don't know about any pathetic jewish carpenter. Is that your maga?

^i think i was clear, i won't be any clearer sorry.

A false teacher, two atheists and a free/enslaved lance human. Satan must be alive and well hia

Mudley313:
okay, if that helps you sleep better at night; really appreciate the christ-like response. i'm now used to how you guys (nairaland christians) get down. haul insults and invectives at anyone of a different opinion from yours. nice christian virtue; carpenter yeshua and his father/himself will be really proud of ya

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. . .deluded goat!!!

While you ruminate on Jesus and His Father's stance, i must say that i'm very disappointed with you. i thought you'll turn the whole place upside down like one of your colleagues warned me recently, instead you crying foul and posting charts. Gerrrrrrout jo, and stay out. You have NO business in 'Did God really write the Bible'

alexleo:
image123,
you are getting it wrong here and your sorry is not necessary. Do you know that the people who study music in the university pay the same school fees as those that study engineering, medicine and any other course? No university or school of music does their music teaching free of charge because somebody is going to use it to play in the church. The way some churches do it like my church is that we run a music school where people are taught this things free of charge and strictly for playing in our church and I can tell you that before you even enroll in the music school you must have spent some time in the church and we are sure you are truly born again. Even when you are learning it, if we discover that your life style is inconsistent with the word of God we sack you. If churches want free instrumentalists, they should invest in it and train them free. Not when somebody pays to learn it to earn a living you want him to play for free by force. It is not a thing of force. It is something that the person will do out of a willing heart so stop your condemnation. Churches pay pastors and bishops, they pay engineers and other skilled workers when they need their services and here you are condemning someone who pays his way through to learn music just like any other profession. YOU ARE WRONG PLS. Allow people to do something for God out of freewill and not by FORCE. At the same time I do not support churches who employ this musicians irrespective of their dirty life style. They should make sure that it is born again musicians that are playing for them. God is holy and we must worship him in holiness. Not anyhow. God bless you dear.

Force? Condemning? Are you the first set of people to be skilled or the only set that know about instruments? No problem, what needs to be said has been said, i hope.

^You muddled are not just ignorant and muddled up. You, REMEMBER, are THE FOOL. Never forget that ever. Psalm 14v1

Wait a minute, before i sleep, lemme say this. At least this is internet. I think these instrumentalists and their sympathisers should just read about the too much Fanny Crosby and then Horatio Spafford(for a start) on wikipedia and get challenged. Then they should cover themselves in shame and sackcloth, and their computers in ashes. Skilled ko. Lazy, spoilt set of believers. Sorry o.

Waoh, i've yet to see so much ignorance all month. Unbelievers are truly dead and then blind on top of it.
Thank God for Jesus who still offers hope in such situations.

Personally, i don't think being paid or otherwise in church is what takes us to Heaven or debars us from it. But the truth is that we can't make vague excuses for instrumentalists and call them levites. Nothing biblical qualifies their being paid without including ALL other workers. They're all God's labourers in God's sight.

alexleo:
music is a profession that some of these musicians spend money and time to learn. They learn it as a profession that they want to use to fend for their living. Ushering and the other ones you are talking about are not in this category. Does the electrician, the mechanic, the capenter, the medical personel, the painter, the plumber, the ICT personel etc. render their professional duties free for churches. If one is moved to do that its not bad but not by compulson. And if these skilled workers get paid when they render their services to churches, I see no reason why a musician should not be paid except if the person decides to do it free.

Music is a profession ko. I think we should copy good things, not wrong things. Any worker who's not full time should go and work with his/her hands. Are they the first people to sing? This is what brings God's work to disrepute. There are ways to make music a profession. Are they more skilled than king David, skilled ko. How much are you paying him for his psalms. They should go and produce albums and sell jare if they truly desire music careers.lazy,spoilt set of believers. Sorry o

O my God! I hope to have time for this during the weekend. Kola don't be so sure of yourself o, i'll pray if i were you sha.

So ushers, cell leaders, counselors and co are from the tribe of Zebulun or which one?

What? Hope it's a mistake of an insinuation sha.

chic2pimp:
You've got to remember that you are dealing with a Gaynner here.

Where were you when the literature teacher discussed IRONY?

Thank God for the evidence of things not seen. Debosky, you can jump in right now, you're free you know. I need you Jesus to come to my RESCUE!!
Rhino, i should beg your friend not to abuse God? Is that a joke or you don't understand what you're typing? Seems you're muddled up together.

Given will not bring/trigger financial profit. Given will never be worth a potential 30million in two years time or less. We're talking 'financial stability' hia. Can't you see that liverpool is in debt?

I trust arsenal fans now. You're calling him ugly names now. When wenger gets him now, we'll start hearing 'fine boy' lukafire and thunder. Shakara

Paul and James had differences in understsnding and doctrines but it's still one Jesus.

No point lying to defend the gospel. This is not one of your 'millions were healed' talk. This is Bible, and i've not forgotten the thread on James and Paul. Your posts showed that you have little understanding of apostles paul and james, remember?

So wenger's about to make more money and bruise young hearts again. We know the story na, buy that kid for 'undisclosed' 12million and sell one of the 1st team strikers for more than 15million, making the whole gunnertown believe that the new kid is 2wice better than the now greedy striker to be sold. Account balanced. Super story

Not to discredit the write up, but holiness has no 'negativity'. It is a character of God