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Yep Joagbaje
You are the wrong one for several things you hold to. I'll continue from your claims in page 2 about james being carnal.

We can't take it from James that he had good practical marl teaching. But the gospel is deeper than that .

You understand the gospel better than APOSTLE James, well that's a disaster.

When Paul visited James the second time , James and his men had to make him perform Jewish vow!

So what? Was Paul not a jew? Who made him perform the vow in Acts 18v18 And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow. Get your Bible and read and stop making some other material more relevant than the Bible. What's with a vow?All these fables you're on to.

They now gave Paul a sentimental, fleshly advise.

I laugh like a circumcised philistine, and you're the one with the spirit-filled adviced abi? If you've managed to read the book of Acts, you'll see that it was almost public knowledge that Paul's presence in Jerusalem was hazardous. And out of natural love for Paul, no believer(jew or gentile) wanted him to be seen in jerusalem. Everyone had been trying to stop him, persuade him, help him even before he got to jerusalem
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it was Paul Jesus gave the doctrine to.

Ever heard of the term "great commission" before? People had been preaching to jews and non jews before Paul gave his life to Christ. Paul is an apostle, sure, but he's not and doesn't claim to be the only apostle. There were apostleS before him and he referred to himself as the least.
1Corinthians 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

He knew what he had, and was not intimidated by the title of James in the conference, you can see his attitude in his writing.

What title of James are you on about? If anything, I think it is Paul that makes us aware that James was an apostle, so what title, abi he sell you one of hin books where you see the title

well that makes sense, but it's still didn't take the fact away that Paul had a special calling . James had title.

James is NOT your pastor, he had 'no title'. What special calling did Paul have? Do you even knpw the meaning of the word 'apostle'?

Paul was clear enough, these advocates were from James. Why didn't he call John or any of the apostles? They were from JAMES. Means "this is what James stand for". It was clear that Peter was not party to that idea.but fear . Fear of who? James. What James recommended for gentile Christian was based on an existing proselyte law. Full proselyte is circumcised , which was their initial stand. Half proselyte is not to be burden with circumcision but given certain rules.

They were from James means they were sent by James the representative of the jerusalem church at that time. Paul doesn't say that they taught circumcision. the people from James didn't come teaching about circumcision(Acts 15v24 already debunks that accusation except you don't believe that part of the Bible).

Wheez, i'm bRack at last, alas things have gone so far and i'm so lazy.
Where do i start o, i'll try tracing page 2, think i still got business there, and btw Joagbaje you're yet to answer your Paul-James query. I'm hoping that i won't have to engage in all these pelage/antimonia talk(at least not today) and its colleagues that have subtly taken over.

Yes! Faith alone in christ is
all that is required for
salvation. It is not of works.

To start with Joagbaje, the statement above isn't perfectly correct. Before i raise your b.p, i'll quote Ephesians. by GRACE are you saved through FAITH.
One would be naive to displace the place of grace in salvation. So while you're right, it won't be wrong to say salvation involves grace and faith. Then we may have to dive into the theologies of repentance and mercy and atonement and more. They're all involved in salvation. The way i see it, it's like TutorA says all that needs to be done is press the power button and your laptop comes on. TutorB comes and talks about not just the power button but also the battery, and the processor, and the cmos, and RAM, and how they're all involved to put on your laptop.
They're both correct and agreed, it's not a matter of having great idea and using poor vocab. It's the same thing all over scripture. It is not just the Word of X and Z but in truth the Word of God. It is scripture and EVERY Word of God is pure. You're the wrong one, never the Word. That's basic sunday school.

^there are different forms of poverty, just as some think themselves rich but are POOR and miserable before God. It is not this same poor that are blessed. Complementing Luke 6 with Matthew 5 gives us a light to the poor that He was referring to as blessed, it is THE POOR IN SPIRIT.
Matthew 26v11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
The disciples knew the poor, judas seemed to recognise them quickly even, and this passage doesn't consider Jesus as one of the poor. Would you rather be poor and blessed, or convenient and blessed?

I have feelings for the poor, but I DO NOT subscribe to the notion that it is blessed to be poor, it's not in the Bible.

JeSoul thanks. Just saw the mail, i've resolved it. Regards

waoh, you guys have gone far. I had issues with my password but it has been resolved now. I've read through and will reply about next week, sorry, a bit bucy. But Joagbaje you so vain, even the Spirit of God through James says it ahead of me.
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

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You'll be happier if he was languishing in prison right? Go and buy your own and quit your jealousy, makes you wonder ko, jealousy jealousy na hin dey worry you.

DBR, i covet your 'thuggery', what's the secret, hehehehe. Talk about putting the aliens to flight.

^dis is one winch inside toba's house. He got in through a password waffer.

It was paul jesus gave the doctrine and revelation of the church to.Paul functioned at a very higher level of truth and knowledge he knew more than they all. Peter didn't deny the fact that Paul had strong meat for their teeth to chew.

Guy, i also love Paul. You know he's 'the apostle to the gentiles', for God's sake. But you just flattering him. He never claimed these things. The church existed and was doing fine when Paul was still busy breathing threatenings. Paul had strong meat but nobody except you said that it was too strong for the apostles to chew. Listen to Peter.
2Peter 3v15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul ALSO according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 AS ALSO in all his epistles, speaking in them of THESE THINGS; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
It's easy to see who was uneasy with Paul's writing, it wasn't an apostle.

He didn't allow James idea on meat to pollute his congregation. Colossians 2:16
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [ days]: 1 Corinthians 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol[ is] nothing in the world, and that[ there is] none other God but one.

What was written in Acts 15 was not just James' idea but the Holy Ghost(God)'s idea. We should learn to differentiate God's command from man's. Like i've said earlier, james and paul were saying the same thing, and complementing/completing not contradicting/competing with one another. Was it james that wrote 1Corinthians 10v21?
21. You CANNOT drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: you CANNOT be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
You think what's in Acts 15 is kindergarten stuff? Well maybe Jesus is kindergarten as well, and you're the graduate who just finished service right?
Revelation 2v20 20.Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

At this point nothing was left for James to hold on to. Rules had to change. But he only stepped down from full,proselyte requirement to half proselyte in his judgement.

If you understand the above that i posted, things will fall in place. James was simply the one who read out the judgement, it wasn't just his personal view or judgement. It was the Holy Spirit's.
Acts 15v6. And THE APOSTLES AND ELDERS came together to consider the matter.
28. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things.
And you know the necessary things. Fare ye well.

When some of the brethren from Judea invariably from james being their head accosted Paul and insisting that new converts must be circumcised as full proselytes to be saved. Remember paul referd to them as people from james.

I hope this is where you're missing it. The false brethren referred to in Galatians 2v4 are different from the certain who came from James in verse 12. They're different episodes altogether. As at verse 9,10, the council meeting don finish. In this case, the people from James didn't come teaching about circumcision(Acts 15v24 already debunks that accusation except you don't believe it). When the false brethren came, Paul and Barnabas disputed with them. When certain from James came, Barnabas was carried away.

But inherited Jesus ministry as his next of kin.

I don't know where you get these your claims. James inherited Jesus' ministry as next of kin. What exactly is this Jesus' ministry? Most of your claims have been answered but lets see what i can do before i sleep.

His words were rules so, if Peter had a contrary opinion, it didn't matter.James had spoken and his words were laws. He was an advocate of the jewish laws and customs, and he mixed them with christianity. He treated the gentile convert as proselytesProselytes were gentile converts to Judaism.

Each sentence here is false, how do you manage to do that?

he took over leadership since he was Jesus next of kin. And brought In his Jewish doctrine. Because Peter definitely would not be part of this. So they went into the background while James ran his course.

This one qualifies for old wives' fables. Where exactly did you read/receive these?

debosky:
Apologies if I am derailing your thread kokoye.

Image123 can you briefly outline what you disagree with in the article posted by confetti?

Apologies, i cannot do that at the moment, tithe is not one of the things i'm in the mood to discuss in this period of ramadan hahahahahahaha.

Maybe you should read John 2v2 in your native language's Bible since the english is above you.

[quote author=fine.boy link=topic=503932.msg6646423#msg6646423 date=1282854064]Is not a dream or drink nether medical problem.
It a reality thing.

I couldnt sleep after the acident, it was wired though to explain. I have been experince something like this in the past in other houses when i opened windows at midnight from 12 am down or when i faced up while sleeping.
It hard to explain how it feels.
How do they enter the house? Can they just followed the wall or window. Becos it comon when the window is wired open, each time it happen the window is always open. I dont leave in city or turn. A new developing area where there is alot of bush and trees. I know there are alot of witches there. Iam not sleeping there today so i at a friend place now.[/quote]What! you're running for witch/wizard, local one for that matter! How long will you run? Give your life to God and live a holy life. I promise you, they'll either pack out or bow. That's why Jesus came, to DESTROY the works of the devil.

DBR:
Yea yea, i've asked is any1 pointin a gun to your groin sayin your Tithe or your life??
Callin your church a criminal organisation becos of Tithe really shows the kinda christian u urself are
. . and that's just assumin u r one. And it means u are also a member of the criminal organisation.
And if we calculate your own tithe i guess it's less than wat can be refered to as FLEECE.
And believe me, i aint an easy person to persuade or convince, so im far from being gullible.
The fact that u cannot exercise the level of faith to do it is no person's problem but urs.
pple doin it are following a good example that is biblical,and beneficiary to them.

Plus, Im waiting when threads will be opened about what the churches are doin right, but of
course none of y'all is interested in such as it wont give u the opportunity to engage in
malarkey as u call it. Cos y'all r d ones talkin nonesense, really.

Term it wateva u want, as long as Abraham ,Jesus, the apostles and the bible didnt call it so, ma bruv
knock urself out with waeva label u wanna put on it.

oNe

OH BOY E!
I don't think mostof the phobics go to church, they sound more like rosicrucians or the like to me, out here to deceive the gullible.
P.S, stop adding lol to your posts, they're not finding it funny at all.

Witches/wizards operate in the spiritual realm. In that case no physical wall or window is a barrier. Your only defence is spiritual i.e prayer OR the whole armour of God. A righteous life will be an autoprotect anyway. I guess they were local winch, as in they live or meet in that vicinity. Hope say dey no suck you dry sha?dey wan spoil your fine.boy sha(next time show them fine.Jesus).lol.

Even so come Lord Jesus. Amen.

Kunle na by force?
The guy said "waever you do", are you a cultist? Why are you compassing land and sea, HYPOCRITE.

Keep on struggling, it may just pay off you know.

[b]it should be noted that Chapter 2 of galatians was preached on peter by Paul. PETER FEARED JAMES.[b]

Galatians 2 was preached on Peter by Paul? What does that mean?
What's in that scripture is that CERTAIN CAME FROM JAMES, not Peter feared James. That certain came from James just simply imply that they were from Jerusalem, Jews, sent by James/the Jerusalem church. And it says 'fearing them which were of the circumcision', not Peter feared James. It's being explained earlier, i'll just add that 'of the circumcision' there means Jews, not promoters of circumcision. For Paul himself was of the circumcision(Philippians 3v3-5).

It was Paul that Jesus really gave deep insight into revelation of the church. John was another person that caught the doctrines of Jesus among the apostles of the lamb.

The Bible doesn't teach that Paul/John understood God than the other apostles. Actually, Paul thought himself the least. Maybe you're judging by the number of books written but that's not a measure of the understanding that the apostles had. God used His men as He pleased.

James taught on
separation

The scriptures you quoted doesn't say the above, except that you assume it. Are you really saying that James taught Peter to withdraw and seperate himself?

James taught circumcision in the flesh

Notice the scriptures below and carefully note the bolded.
Acts 15v13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto ME: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore MY sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The APOSTLES and ELDERS and BRETHREN send greetingunto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised,and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25 It seemed GOOD unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our BELOVED Barnabas and PAUL, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed GOOD to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication:from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

JUSTIFICATION BY WORK

There is no difference in what James and Paul have said. All that's needed is to know the basics. It is GRACE through faith that brings forgiveness of sins/salvation. Motive is important here, our works cannot 'bribe' God, but we don't sit down lazily and do nothing for God isn't unrighteous to forget our labour/work. And this is what James says in 2v24. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith ONLY
Look closely at Paul again Romans 2v13 . , The doers of the law shall be justified. So Paul wasn't saying anything different from what James was basically saying, which is similar to what Jesus himself said in Luke 13v23,24. Faith without Work is dead, or better still "this is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent". They're integrated not independent.

^are you suggesting that he stops flocking like a sheep, and put on the goat jersey, looking for what is not lost?

All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, not FOR carnal driftings that can land one close to satan the devil.

@Joagbaje
Good to see your reasons. Nuclearboy has answered them but I'll just add these.

SALVATION BY WORKS

I'll say what James wrote and what Paul wrote are both the Word of God, and that they COMPLEMENT/perfect one another not CONTRADICT one another. It's good that we have a clear and basic understanding of what works are. Works aren't the basis for our salvation, that's why all works BEFORE salvation are next to insignificant and cannot save us. But AFTER salvation, our works do carry some 'market' value. That's basic and that's what The whole Bible teaches. That's what James and Paul taught. Actually that's what Paul was saying in Ephesians 2v8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
And Paul taught works.
Acts26v19Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

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Some demons you've contacted are running in your head already.

He ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha he ha , i laugh in tears.
This is a most sorry case. How literal can the words "your sins will find you out" get?

On a clearer note, i'll say again to enigma and colleagues "oh shut up already, would you?" Go and learn what it means, that ALL scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctrine and for our learning. If we never need it, it has no business being in the Bible. The gospel of Matthew was written to all. I'm weary of all this lame talk of 'that one is to for levites, that one for priest, that one for corinthians, that one for philemon'. The Bible is not the exclusive preserve of your heroes. Matthew 23v1 is quite direct and doesn't warrant all these feeble eisegesis. It says "Jesus spake to THE MULTITUDE AND TO HIS DISCIPLES". The rest of the chapter is in red.
BTW, by the way and BY THE WAY, who was Jesus directly addressing when He said "ye must be born again", or that "God so loved the world that He have His only Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life", or when He said "Give unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things which are God's", or that "by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned" and so on.
Point is God's Word is for us all and will stand either for or against us in that day.

Enigma:
Thank you! So please don't use Matthew 23:23 to preach tithing to anyone again; or at least do not again use Matthew 23:23 to claim that Jesus advocated tithing for Christians.

To bring the thread back to topic, Jesus was saying in Matthew 23:9 that his followers should not call any earthly person father.

So, ajuwaya!

Are you not a Pharisee? BTW, have you ever called or referred to the papa (wey give your mama belle to born you) as father? He that offends in one point is guilty of all!