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The West basically worships the Holocaust. It's more revered than God! In the US., many people will give you accolades for ridiculing Jesus Christ or for questioning the existence of God Almighty or for lampooning Muhammad. However, if you attempt to question any aspect of the Holocaust, even if you question whether it was 6 million Jews or 5.99 million, you're promptly labeled an anti-Semite, a Holocaust denier, a revisionist. Bottom line: you can question or lampoon, anyone or anything - Jesus, Muhammad, God, slavery, origin of man, evolution, etc. But not the Holocaust!

This is a wonderful example of irrelevance.Ahmedinejad's 'beef' with the holocaust is not on the academic issue of whether 6 million where killed or 5.5 million.His point is that it never happened.

If someone where to suggest that Trans-atlantic slavery is a myth,would you applaud that?Even in Nigeria,if you go to Ogoniland and inform them that abuses by the Nigerian military are all myths and probably never happened,what do you think will be the response?

Before one can invoke God,one should act in a Godly manner.Spewing fatuous claptrap about the holocaust should not be excused on religious grounds.

It still does not justify the university acting on a false pretext, issueing him an invitation just so they can ridicule and deride him.

The man comes from a country where critical journalists have been jailed and freedom of speech is sorely lacking.He surely shouldn't be protected from the rare opportunity he has to be lampooned.

This all-or-nothing approach is the wellspring of all mayhem and bloodshed in the world today.

This is incredible hocus pocus.From the context of your posts,I hope you were not implying that complaining about the lack of democracy in places like Iran "[i]is the wellspring of all mayhem and bloodshed in the world today".  [/i]Was is it this that caused the 3.7 million deaths in the DRC,150,000 dead in Darfur,1 million dead in South Sudan?

US rift with Iran is based on Iran's foreign policy and perceived nuclear ambitions.Your pointless sermon about leaving the Iranians to work things out for themselves(presumably you have never met an Iranian) doesn't explain why the Iranian President shouldn't be excoriated for the petty dictator he is.Most Iranians would have done worse if they had the opportunity to meet Ahmedinejad in person

NEW YORK - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad questioned the official version of the Sept. 11 attacks and defended the right to cast doubt on the Holocaust in a tense appearance at Columbia University, whose president accused the hard-line leader of behaving like "a petty and cruel dictator."

Ahmadinejad smiled at first but appeared increasingly agitated, decrying the "insults" and "unfriendly treatment." Columbia President Lee Bollinger and audience members took him to task over Iran's human-rights record and foreign policy, as well as Ahmadinejad's statements denying the Holocaust and calling for the disappearance of Israel.

"Mr. President, you exhibit all the signs of a petty and cruel dictator," Bollinger said, to loud applause.

He said Ahmadinejad's denial of the Holocaust might fool the illiterate and ignorant.

"When you come to a place like this it makes you simply ridiculous," Bollinger said. "The truth is that the Holocaust is the most documented event in human history."

Ahmadinejad rose, also to applause, and after a religious invocation, said Bollinger's opening was "an insult to information and the knowledge of the audience here."

"There were insults and claims that were incorrect, regretfully," Ahmadinejad said, accusing Bollinger of falling under the influence of the hostile U.S. press and politicians. "I should not begin by being affected by this unfriendly treatment."

During a question and answer session, Ahmadinejad appeared tense and unsmiling, in contrast to more relaxed interviews and appearances earlier in the day.

In response to one audience, Ahmadinejad denied he was questioning the existence of the Holocaust: "Granted this happened, what does it have to do with the Palestinian people?"

But then he said he was defending the rights of European scholars, an apparent reference to a small number who have been prosecuted under national laws for denying or minimizing the Holocaust.

"There's nothing known as absolute," he said.

He reiterated his desire to visit ground zero to express sympathy with the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks, but then appeared to question whether al-Qaida was responsible.

"Why did this happen? What caused it? What conditions led to it?" he said. "Who truly was involved? Who was really involved and put it all together?"

Asked about executions of homosexuals in Iran, Ahmadinejad said the judiciary system executed violent criminals and high-level drug dealers, comparing them to microbes eliminated through medical treatment. Pressed specifically about punishment of homosexuals, he said: "In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country."

With the audience laughing derisively, he continued: "In Iran we do not have this phenomenon. I don't know who's told you that we have this."

Bollinger was strongly criticized for inviting Ahmadinejad to Columbia, and had promised tough questions in his introduction to Ahmadinejad's talk. But the strident and personal nature of his attack on the president of Iran was startling.

"You are either brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated," Bollinger told Ahmadinejad about the leader's Holocaust denial.

During his prepared remarks, the Iranian president did not address Bollinger's accusations directly.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070924/ap_on_re_us/iran_us

It seems the Thug-In-Chief's visit to Columbia didn't go so well

denex:
Some people have forgotten Operation Shock and Awe and several weeks of bombardment of infrastructure.

If I wanted ignorant commentary,I would have headed to a kindergaten.I guess the Brookings Institution can't remember the almighty "Shock and awe" which "destroyed" all the power infrastructure.No believe everything they tell you at the Mosque-Americans destroyed all the infrastructure,Jews drink human blood,9-11 was a Jewish conspiracy.

Won't be too much trouble if I asked you to provide your own facts.You have issues with facts don't you?

seun001:
of course, i will be sensitive of untoward statements about a great man like that.as far as am concerned,he's disrespecting.

Did you hear Mandela complaining? Why are you crying more than the "bereaved"?

folem:
Who or What professional is competent to be speaker by your own definition?

Certain professions require higher levels of mental aptitude and competence which will come in handy for being a Speaker.Hairdressing isn't one of them.

It is very puerile that many people have chosen to lay much emphasis on the fact that the speaker is a hairdresser, as if that disqualifies her from possessing common sense.

Is common sense a sufficient quality you look for in a Speaker.Illiterates have common sense,so you won't have any problem with a stark illiterate being a Speaker?

In all countries practising democracy, and where they have an elected house, people from every work of life are elected based on the popular vote.

The only problem with the above is that its untrue.You will find that most people who occupy such positions often have stellar academic credentials

[quote author=+osisi link=topic=81043.msg1526707#msg1526707 date=1190649820]anyone with a brain knows he never meant Mandela was dead.
Mandela here was only a figure of speech.
This people sef[/quote]The irony is that those who castigate Bush for his stupidity here are the ones with question marks over their intelligence.The real meaning of Bush's speech is apparent to any sensible person.

salinco:
I agree with Folem that professional career or job should not be a condition to hold a political office. We need a decent, committed and honest individual.

Its about competence.The job requires a high level of competence which one might not expect in a hairdresser

babasin:
He is going to UN-headquarters and not USA.
if USA don't want their enemies to come to UN, let them move UN-headquarters to Lokoja

Are you reading what I'm reading.The brouhaha is over his itinerary,not whether he can come at all.He plans to vist Columbia University and wanted to lay a wreath at the site of the September 11 terror attacks.Unless Columbia and the site of the WTC are all parts of the UN HQ,you must be reading something else

ritchboi:
Abeg someone giv jackal glasses!I said '2nd' largest fanbase,n i meant in d world,not in england.OD�

R.Madrid,Milan,Barcelona,Liverpool and Utd all have larger fanbases than Arse.

Chelski are traditional rivals of not Arse or even Spurs but. . . . .West Ham and Fulham.Spurs have won 3 trophies in Europe and have a richer history and fan base than Chelski

That is why Chelski fans turn out is always in the region of the Hammers.Arsenal can fill 100,000 capacity stadium,Spurs can fill a 60,000 capacity stadium but Chelski will alwasys struggle to fill a 45,00 capacity stadium.They just don't have the fan base and it willl take more than a few brief years of success to  change decades of mediocrity fighting for dominance over the likes of Hammers and Fulham.

loyika:
And i believe the other 2 Arsenal Premiership wins were Unbeaten

That's not the point.The point is that if Arse-anal are on a roll,one loss always,without exception,damages their title ambitions fatally.In the other 2 seasons,they had to come from behind.When they go into an early lead,they never win the title.

So Arsenal can either win the title by going unbeaten all season or starting very slowly and then embarking on a long unbeaten run till they win the title.Once they get going,they can't deal with a single loss.I suppose you remember how your seasons have been going.I don't need to tell you this about Arse-anal

loyika:
And i believe the other 2 Arsenal Premiership wins were Unbeaten

That's not the point.The point is that if Arse-anal are on a roll,one loss always,without exception,damages their title ambitions fatally.In the other 2 seasons,they had to come from behind.When they go into an early lead,they never win the title.

So Arsenal can either win the title by going unbeaten all season or starting very slowly and then embarking on a long unbeaten run till they win the title.Once they get going,they can't deal with a single loss.I suppose you remember how your seasons have been going.I don't need to tell you this about Arse-anal

Why only the 90s? You nonchalantly forgot the 80s when D. Rumsfeld came with shipload of weapons and told Saddam to
march his army to Iran. It did not matter to someone with your ethos then that most Shites who refused to fight emigrated to Iran. The shites were the enemy then because of their affinity to Iran. What goes around comes around.

At least you acknowledge the volatile sectarian divide in Iraq which predates the invasion.This sectarian divide is what is fuelling most of the violence in Iraq today.Unless you are one of those who insist Saddam should have stayed simply because he seemingly managed to curtail the divide.My point was that he didn't,he exacerbated it so that whenever he left in whatever manner,Iraq was bound to be gripped by an orgy of sectarian violence.

Interestingly,while Saddam was murdering Shias and Kurds,most of the people who now claim to be troubled by violence in Iraq were largely silent.When the perpetrator of the violence was removed to the delight of the majority Kurds and Shias,they started complaining about the injustice.

What logic is this? Why fund humanitarian relief elsewhere and leave your citizens on their roof for days in time of
disaster? You continuosly cross the frontier from fact to fiction, this is your patent nonsense as usual.

Logic is a quality you are sorely lacking.How does Katrina support your assertion that the US has been causing chaos around the world,leaving to others to quell.I just showed you that a nation that spearheaded the fight against the Axis powers and the Soviet Empire can't simply be dismissed as a "chaos causer".The said chaos causer funds most humanitarian relief worldwide.

It is the practitioners of any governmental system that makes or ruins a system of government. Communism is alive and well in China. Communist China has now overtaken capitalist Britain and Germany. Would you compare capitalist Nigeria with Communist China?

Your unbridled ignorance is shocking.I take it you don't actually know what communism means.This is secondary school stuff and if you think China is still communist,I can't help but bemoan the Nigerian educational system.Learn about Communism and report back. . . . . won't want to waste my time on elementary stuff.

America being the richest country in the world is beloved by poor folks around the world.Tony Blair shamed America into action and its not the other way round. Check out the BBC's documentary of when Blair went to Kosovo.

Nobody expended as much resources to help Bosnia and Kosovo than the US.That is the simple fact. . . . . whether Blair(who you despise) had to persuade the US to intervene in a European country misses the point.

Can you remind me of the various neo-Nazi sites? Stop making fatuous statement, remind me of the "various neo-Nazi sites".

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-61108.32.html#bot That is one example,check post 54.You cited Jewwatch,a site run by Frank Weltner of the neo-Nazi National Alliance.After that page,you quoted copiously from another neo-Nazi site without acknowledging the source

Where do I get my facts from? Certainly not a "Benin beer parlour".One good source of facts about Iraqi infrastructure comes from the Brookings Iraq Index.Bear in mind that the Brookings instituition is leftist

According to their latest report,I believe published in September 2007:

-Iraqi pre-war power output was 3958MW.Output in September 2007 was 4985MW(Page 40 of the Index) 
-Telephone subscribers pre-war was 833,000.Post war was 9.3 million(Page 46 of the Index)

http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf

When you can make out time from drenching yourself in a volatile cocktail of alcohol and ignorance,please read the above report.If you have anything that contradicts the above,please post it here.Support your claims with facts.

You undoubtedly have seen reports noting power outages in Baghdad.Problem is,Baghdad is not the only province in Iraq.I have heard foreigners say they cannot come to Nigeria because of kidnapping in the Niger-Delta but then the ND is not the whole of Nigeria.80% of all the violence happens in Baghdad and most journalists live there but as someone noted recently,you are more likely to be shot in the State of Washington,US than in Basra,Iraq. . . maybe we should send UN peacekeepers to the US

Tornadoz:
I thought the American military went to Afghanistan to remove the Taleban govt of Mulah Omar. Going to another country to
effect a regime change is universally recognised as an invasion. Even American military personnel and politicians
all refer to "the invasion of Afghanistan". Is not like you didn't know or believe it was an invasion, you however have an inventive approach to discussing politics. If theirs another name for American military excursion to Afghanistan please let me know.

Take your vacuous fables to another forum.The Govt of  Burhanuddin Rabbani was the UN recognised Afghan Govt.Only Pakistan,out of 191 countries on the planet,recognised the Taleban as a legitimate Govt.UAE and Saudi Arabia did up untill after 9-11.

The US military campaign was simply to aid Rabbani's Northern Alliance defeat the Taleban.How can a military campaign in the aid of the legitimately recognised Govt of Afghanistan constitute an invasion?Rabbani-Karzai's predecessor-was at war with the Taleban long before the US got involved.

You might say the Talebans had de facto control,same as Charles Taylor in Liberia and the RUF in S.Leone.That would entail that Nigeria has invaded Sierra Leone and Liberia even though we acted in support of a legitimately recognised Govt against rebel factions who controlled most of the country

Your suggestion is that many people refer to the Afghan campaign as an invasion,this according to you,proves it is so.It is like saying many people claim that sunshine causes malaria,hence this shows that sunshine causes malaria.Such ignorant comments should be left within the "cerebral" confines of Benin beer palours.

Sometimes I worry which news feed you subscribe to that makes you so ill informed. Since the invasion, electricity has been
at best sporadic.

One would expect,at this juncture,a single link from you that purports to repudiate my assertion that electrical power output has been stable compared to pre-invasion.You offer nothing but asinine pablum.

There are towns and villages in Iraq that hasn't seen electricity for months.

There were towns and villages that were in the same state prior to the invasion.

Its true the insurgents
has destroyed some infrastructures, but it was America that came with the Shock and Awe operation (a military that
believe in the doctrine of applying overwhelming force) that caused the initial destruction. You paint Iraq like an Oasis
(thanks to America)  the reality is most Iraqis have fled to Syria, Jordan,Iran etc.

This is an incredibly misleading impression that you have tried to create.So it is largely the US 3 week campaign that destroyed infrastructure, far more than 4 years of deliberate targetting of infrastructure and workers by insurgents?Who do you expect to believe this twaddle?

loyika:
@ Ruudie

Please mention our first 11 are Gallas and Eboue part of that first 11, cause they are still yet to come back fit/recovered I guess Scum United have a truck load of brilliant subs in the wings, folks like Chris Eagles and co

Is there any Gunner of the calibre of Gary Neville?How can anyone mention Eboue proudly.He won't get into the starting line up of any of the top 4 teams last season.A team that carries along Senderos can't claim to be better off than a team with the likes of Anderson,Neville,Nani,Hargeaves and Saha not starting on Sunday

The strange thing about Gunners is that even their manager gets carried away,not just the players.

He compared Fabregas to Platini,Adebayor to Henry and said RVP was like Dennis Bergkamp.What next?Toure is the new Dessailly and Flamini is the new Deschamps.Meanwhile,they haven't won anything.

I watched Roma play Juve yesterday.Wonderful going forward,but lacking genuine strikers,they lack the finishing.They are also a bit soft at the back since Chivu left.Our game against them shouldn't be as daunting people expect.

Na only Gunners dey sing Salt-N-Pepa songs for stadium

@Jackal

You were spot on when you mentioned that Wenger's true test is how they will react when they have a setback.Short of winning the League unbeaten all season,once the Gunners lose a league game they are notoriously fickle.Once they are on the roll,they never recover from one single League defeat to win the Prem,not even once.

So the only way the Gunners can win the League is to go unbeaten all season or have a sizeable lead(10 points)so that even if they lose once,their notorious fickleness won't get the better of them.

United are in a good position and I won't trade our 2nd place for a 1st place at this point in time.Just keep accumulating points while the media swoon over the Gunners.By the end of winter,the destination of the title will become clearer and it certainly won't be the Emirates.

Someone comes to a thread of a club with £90 million in operating profits,to boast about £51 million profits.I think the key question is,"Where are your trophies"?.Liverpool with less impressive finances have won more trophies than the hapless Gunners.

Even Giggs has won more trophies than Wenger,Graham and Rioch in their entire coaching career.Bunch of pillocks

Proof that Gunners are poofs.The gayest chant you will hear on any ground in the Prem:

"Let's talk about Cesc baby,
Let's talk about Di-a-by
Let's talk about Theo Walcott,
Gilberto and Van Persie,
Let's talk about Cesc."

Heard at the Emirates on Saturday

mukina2:
Its free to dream

Dream on . .

We go see who dey dream by the end of the season.I go save these pages for una to remind you when you were excited for nothing.

The thing wey I dey enjoy na how the media dey follow hype up una hopes unnecessarily.Your hopes dey sky high for nothing.Una fit begin apply to join us now instead of waiting till the end of the season

Only a matter of time before we dethrone the Gunners! I reckon we would have put some distance between us two by the end of winter.

Gunners,enjoy your good form while it lasts,there is only one way to go from here. . . . . and that is downwards.

It wasn't the penalty that won us the game.It was Tevez's magnificient header in the first half.Saha's penalty was just the icing on the cake.Its about time we got a penalty anyway.We were denied one in the first half and Arse-anal won't have gotten to the top of the table without the aid of penalties at crucial times.

Someone said Arsenal's penalties are all clearcut,do they really believe that United have never been fouled in the opponent's box throughout the season?We have been denied clearcut penalties all season including against City and against Chelski in the 1st half.

Tornadoz:
The US army went to Iraq to conquer it, if this was not an invasion, please define what "invasion" is.
In contrast if America was mandated under the aegis of the UN to go to Darfur to stop the waring factions from killing themselves that would hadly be deemed an invasion.

A clumsy attempt at a straw man's argument. Asked whether you can call US military activities in Afghanistan an invasion ,your response is,"The US army went to Iraq to conquer it". A response even a stark illiterate will recognise as bogus.

What happened to the electricity, the water supply, the phone lines etc? After the ousting of Saddam how many govt parastatals were still standing and functioning? Sorry but am not about to name all the infrastructures that were destroyed by the so-called smart bombs, so please stop trying to re-write history, less than 4yrs after the event.

The above is wholly false.Anybody reading your posts will think that Iraqi power,water and telephone infratsructure has been destroyed by the US military,probably via "smart bombs".Any sincere observer knows that the biggest source of danger for infrastructure has been Iraq insurgents.

Actually,power supply nationwide has been same as pre-invasion in terms of output.Baghdad has witnessed lower power supply but other parts of Iraq have witnessed greater output.

Phones lines have increased by a multiple of 10 so for you to mention that is laughable.

Wishful thinking to imply the war would have ended years ago.Traveling thousands of miles to inflict pain and suffering on a largely defenseless population you expected no resistance. You and I know America made Iraq a breeding ground for the so-called Al-aeda.

This is a wonderful example of distorted logic.Resisting?Most Iraqis die in the hands of fellow Iraqis.Do Iraq seek to resist Americans by attacking each other.Do you mean that those suicide bombs in market places are attempts to resist Americans.

The alternative and credible explanation is that the removal of Saddam,a Sunni,brought the majority Shias to power to the chagrin of the minority Sunnis who believe they have a divine right to rule Iraq even though they are a minority.Saddam ruthlessly oppressed the Shia,his oppression was met with deafening silence by most Muslims and most of the people who have suddenly discovered their capacity for outrage when Iraqis die.

Strangely,little outrage was expressed when hundreds of thousands of Shias and Kurds were killed in the 90s.The life of a Shia is worth less than the life of a Sunni in global politics.When hundreds of thousands of people of a particularl sect are killed,it is inevitable that when members of that sect get into power,this will unleash a whirlwind of violence.

I doubt it. They are still planning on going to Iran.

I suppose the Americans should sing "Kumba Ya" with the Iranians.

Exactly my point, America causes chaos in some distant land and leaves the rest of the world to pick up the pieces.

One would not recognise that it was this "chaos causing" US that defended Europe and South Asia from the Axis powers,helped defeat Communism,underwrote the "Marshal Plan" and funds almost half of all humanitarian relief on the planet.

I would bet that during the Cold War,you were one of those misguided folks who were defending the Soviet Union and communism.

Was it their love for Kuwaiti's that made them spearhead the eventual confrontation with Saddam's army. Sadly they didn't have the same enthusiasm when it came to other conflicts. Britain and Tony Blair was credited for bringing in America in the alliance to partition Yugoslavia. I remember America's first act was to bomb the Chinese embassy.

What a pathetic attempt to explain away US sacrifice in money and lives to defend Bosnia and Kosovo.Guess what nation is the most beloved in those 2 provinces?. . . . . and you are here weaving bogus explanations.

Same with you pal, as long as you don't rummage the racist archives.

Irony. . . . . coming from a man who cited various neo-Nazi sites to prove his inane Jewsih conspiracies

Anthropogenic climate change hasn't been conclusively proven.The costs of curtailing greenhouses emissions outweigh the alleged benefits.

There are more urgent causes that demand the world's attentions-malaria,poverty,AIDS-that could be addresed at a fraction of the cost it takes to deal with global warming.

Roman didn't obviously think this through before appointing Grant.The license issue still continues to dog him

Avram Grant's appointment as Chelsea manager in succession to Jose Mourinho was in doubt last night as the Premier League and UEFA warned that the club could face unprecedented repercussions domestically and in Europe because of the Israeli's lack of qualifications.

As it emerged Mourinho had been barred under the terms of his settlement agreement from working in the Premier League at least until the end of this season, The Sunday Telegraph has learned that Chelsea could soon find themselves searching for yet another manager after Grant's elevation from director of football.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2HV4CXNKW35QBQFIQMGCFFOAVCBQUIV0?xml=/sport/2007/09/23/sfnfro123.xml

Grant no even get license! 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/chelsea/article2508204.ece

Avram Grant’s long-term future as Chelsea coach is in jeopardy because of his lack of qualifications, The Times can reveal. It is understood that José Mourinho’s successor does not possess the Uefa Pro Licence and under Premier League rules he may be unable to continue in 12 weeks’ time.

Under Uefa and Premier League rules, a Uefa Pro Licence is required by anyone wishing to manage in the top flight on a permanent basis, which is taken to mean more than 12 weeks.

Gary Neville and Owen Hargreaves won't be available for the Chelski game

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=421226

The pair have taken part in training this week but will not be ready for the visit of Mourino-less Chelsea on Sunday.

Hargreaves has had a rough time of it with injuries since joining United form Bayern Munich in the summer, making only a handful of appearances.

Meanwhile Neville is yet to make an appearance this season, his comeback hampered by a thigh strain.

Alex Ferguson did reveal that Hargreaves could be fit to face Coventry in the Carling Cup next Wednesday, whereas Neville will take a while longer to recover.

manu4laif:
@debo,
if we draw then you guys will lose to derby. Ojoro cancelled
WAN UNITED

Even if we give them a 10 point headstart,we go still catch up with them.

manu4laif:
Come Sunday though they'd be extremely (de?)motivated and anything can happen.Both sides badly need the win .My guess? I think we'll win.
WAN UNITED 

They had a change of manager once,I believe it was Vialli that was sacked,just before a game at Old Trafford.United were much stronger then and Chelski much weaker-they held us to a 3-3 draw.

They have an excellent record at OT so I don't expect them to lose easily.We may see the same thing now.The key thing is how Chelski players respond to Jose's ouster.I got the impression that they were fiercely loyal to him.If that is the case,then it could work against them in the fixture especially since Grant was one of Jose's "enemies".