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MaxInDHouse:
Another flaw!

It's either one is right while the other is wrong, this is the reason why you people have formed over 41,000 sects all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines!

Holding that one side must be right and the other wrong is the flaw sir. Jesus is not interested in denomination, he is interested in the individual who does his will.
Thanks.

tctrills:
Wrong, I know that the Father delegated Authority to his Son. That was never my argument.
Infact, I am arguing that the Father gave all things to his Son. And that all titles of the Father belong to the Son.

You are correct sir according to John 5:23.
John 5:23
[23]so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him.

But he was also right by saying that the Father who gave his son (Jesus) ALL authority is greater than Jesus. And that is also true according to John 14:28.
John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.

I don't think you disagree with that sir. Thanks.

I have studied tctrills and Max argument and I can only deduce just one misunderstanding.
1. Max do not agree with tctrills that Jesus is god in his nature and the Father has delegated ALL authority to him, making him Almighty.
2. tctrills will not agree with Max that the Father who delegated the authority to his son (Jesus) is greater than Jesus thereby making Jesus a subordinate to someone which is the Father.

The issue is BOTH OF THEM ARE CORRECT. But they didn't just know they are looking at two different points.

1. Jesus is god (all powerful) because the father has committed ALL things into his hands until the end of days. And the Father made this known. Just like Pharaoh did with Joseph during the plenty and famine period, thereby making Joseph THE LEADER OF EGYPT in Pharaoh's stead.
John 5:22
[22]In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, he has given the Son absolute authority to judge,

2. The Father is definitely greater than his son (Jesus) and Jesus also retriated this severally.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
[27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
[28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

LET US ALL PURSUE THE PATH OF PEACE AND UNDERSTANDING.
THANKS.

Cashel:
I Am An Atheist; Christian Faithful Explains Gods Existence To An Atheist #GodExist #Atheist



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nr1dTz8K9k

There is a question I always ask atheists that they can't answer. Let me ask you. If you can answer convincingly, I will advise you continue as an atheist, but if you can't, I will advise you believe that there is a creator behind all your seeing. The question.

WHICH ONE EXISTED FIRST, THE HEN OR THE EGG?

Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
So did the Father elevate the son before coming to earth according to your explanation of "equal with"?

I quoted it for you alreat sir.
the glory we shared ...before the foundation of the world.

Even the Pharisees understood the gravity of. Jesus calling himself the son of God which make him equal with God. Read it yourself.

John 5:18,23
[18]So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, thereby making himself equal with God.

[23]so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him.

Can you see, Jesus was equal with god before Incarnation, when he was alive and when he is now at the right hand of the Father.
Jesus even said that he should be honored just exactly the way the father his honored.

Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
Oga so you are saying that Jesua was "equal with" God before coming to the earth?

Did I say it or Philippians 2:6 said it? It is me or Paul?

Truthseeker10:
John 17:5 contains Jesus's word to be restored to glory shared before the world began.

Philippians 2:6 that you quoted says that though Jesus was God, he did not think of "Equality with" God.

You claim that Jesus is "equal with" the Father now. So what kind of "Glory that was shared" was John 17:5 that you quoted talking about?

I have explained it sir. I don't know exact your viewpoint so I can know what exactly you have issues with.
Philippians 2:9-11 has answered it clearly what the glory was.

Philippians 2:9-11
[9]Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor
    and gave him the name above all other names,
[10]that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
[11]and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.

That is the glory they shared, where the Father is glorified in the son. It's not as if it is an egg, where two people divide it into two. But a glory where the glory that comes to the son glorifies the Father. God is well please with him in all things.

All the old testament prophets were ministered to through angels. The Father and the Son never walked in the realm of men. The angels mediated between the heavens and the earth. The son (Jesus) only manifested in his reincarnation for salvation.
So, the old testament until Mary were ministered through angels. While the new testament was ministered through the Jesus.
Hebrews 2:2-3
[2]For the message God delivered through angels has always stood firm, and every violation of the law and every act of disobedience was punished.
[3]So what makes us think we can escape if we ignore this great salvation that was first announced by the Lord Jesus himself and then delivered to us by those who heard him speak?

Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
So according to your explanation of "equal with" and "equal to", How do we explain the equality of the Father and son before Jesus came to earth when we combine Philippians 2:6 and John 17:5? Was Jesus "Equal with" or "Equal to" the Father before Coming to earth?

I do not understand what you want me to explain now. Are you saying the son is the Father? If yes, that is not anywhere consistent with the scriptures. If no, then one must be greater. And from Jesus himself, the Father is greater than I am. It clear it. I think you need to look for my explanation of the Father and son relationship in the other thread.
You haven't shared your view withe, so at least I can know where we agree and where we dont.Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
Is Jesus "equal with" the Father now? Yes or no?

Yes sir. That is the position of the scriptures according to Philippians 2:6
Philippians 2:6
[6]Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.
And John 17:5
John 17:5
[5]Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.

Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
So is the Son "equal with" the Father Now?

I know you have read my context. Pls, if there are any issues, pls let me know ur viewpoint .I am a reasonable person and I am not rigid and if we can't agree on some issues. I will pay my full respect.
Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
So are you saying that Jesus was not "Equal with" God before coming to the earth? Was there no Trinity before Jesus came to earth?

Read my modified message.
I have dealt with how the Trinity message should be treated in another thread and that has broutpeace and understanding to the thread.
The Father (1) sent his son (2) to die for man. After his death and ascension, The son by his father's authority sent his spirit (3) to guide all the saved in that journey. That should be the Trinity message. All are one and united in purpose. But the Father is greater than the son and the son is greater than the spirit. That is the position from the scriptures.
Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
Is the Christ equal to the Father?

Read my reply above in my response (sorry, it is in another forum) . Equal with as used in Philippians 2 is different from equal to.
I am an English expert and teacher.
"Equal with" means exalted to a state of similar rank with a distinct.
"Equal to" means being of equality in all forms where one cannot succumb to the other.

So, Jesus is equal with god but not equal to god.
Equal with God means God has exalted him to a place where all creation honor him, but not equal to god because he is subject to his father in all things.

tctrills:
I believe you are mostly correct. But when you say that the Son will but himself under God's authority, it seems like you are saying that the Son is not God.
I prefer you say that the Son will put himself under the Father's authority.

My point has been that the Son is not just another God, he like the Father is the one true God.

I guess that's where I different with most.

We both agree. We just need to fine tune wat we agreed on. On you last statement, this is my view below.
Jesus is god in the context of his divinity but since the father is greater than the son, don't you think the Father is a superior god than the son. Let's look at some Bible context, but if you disagree, you will show me ur context too and then we reason and see what goes on from our reasoning.
1. Jesus agreed that the Father is greater than him. John 14:28.
2. Jesus affirm that the Father is his own god. John 20:17.
3. Jesus confessed that it is only the Father that is all knowing. That there are something he himself doesn't know. Matthew 24:36.
4. Jesus affirm that it is only the Father that is all able and there are things he cannot do but only the Father can. Matthew 20:23.
5. Jesus confirmed that the Father is the One true god. John 17:3.

You can see that I didn't even quote the apostles. Only Jesus himself in clear term.
Those are irrefutable proof from Jesus himself that the Father is the superior god whom alone is above Jesus.

That was why I said. Jesus is god and above all other creations but subject only to the Father who alone is superior and supreme to all including his son.
I think that's what Paul clarified in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28.

Thanks and god bless you.

Truthseeker10:
So do you agree that we must have the knowledge of the Father and his messenger Jesus Christ?

I am a believer. So, it's a yes for me. I know the Father and his Christ.

Truthseeker10:
How did your forefathers hear of God without any Christian missionaries?

I really have not known your stand on the op question.
I like to engage people civilly and respect their opinion as I do that. Can I know your view and perspective sir on the op direct question. Thanks sir

Truthseeker10:
Below is John 17:3.

King James Bible
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Who is the "thee the only true God" in John 17:3?

Is the Father ofcourse. No sane person should argue that. But do not neglect the other part.... [b][/b]and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

MaxInDHouse:
Paul is very careful not to stumble any of those who have embraced Christianity so those from James doesn't necessarily mean they hold the same opinion with James otherwise these ones knowing fully well that James is Jesus' half brother don't need confirmation from anyone else if James had agreed with them.
Surely they came looking for contrary opinion to know if James was wrong!

I think we have both made our points and showed our perspectives. Thanks for the honor. You are respected sir.

Truthseeker10:
You did not get my question. In John 17:3, how many persons do we need to know to get everlasting life?

Direct answer.
As a believer, Jesus is enough for me to deliver me from sin.
Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
In John 17:3, did Jesus say that we needed to know only him?

Smile. Sir, one Bible verse cannot be interpreted in isolation. I understand your view, but I think we need to balance all the passages that speaks about salvation and how a man is saved and not just look at it from just a single lens. If we agree that believing in Jesus alone is enough. How do we then explain Jesus statement in Matthew 7:21-23?
Matthew 7:21-23
[21]“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.
[22]On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’
[23]But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

And James 2:14-26
James 2:14,18-20
[14]What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don’t show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone?
[18]Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.”
[19]You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror.
[20]How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?

Thanks.

cutecommend:
It is very important I help you this morning so that you won't be living in false confidence while moving on the wrong path.

The truth is that if anyone dies now with any sin, they are going straight to hell; whether they are sinners or believers. But if you accept Jesus Christ and repent before dying or before rapture, you will make heaven. Someone's last state before they die or before rapture, determines their going to heaven. And going to heaven requires no sin in you at your last state on earth.

It is only Jesus Christ that takes one to heaven. If you are morally upright without sin and yet do not accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal Saviour, you cannot make heaven. And if you are a Christian and you do not ask for pardon on any known or unknown sin before you die or before rapture, you cannot make heaven.

The purpose of God implanting sanctification and holiness in people is to make them live lives without sin.

While there is heaven for Christians who will die in the great tribulation for refusing to comply with the anti-christ: this is after rapture, I tell you this truth: SIN TAKES A MAN TO HELL.

It is a beautiful Sunday. Please pray quickly, accept Jesus today and repent from all sins. Also attend a Bible-believing church.

It is only sin that leads man to damnation. That is what is consistent with scriptures.
We need to look at it from two angles.

1. What is the essence of believing in Christ? It is to deliver man from sin. So if a man claims to have Christ and continues in his sin, his mental acceptance of Christ cannot and will not deliver him. James 2:14-26
2. What about a man who did not hear about Christ till his death? Imagine our forefathers who lived before the 17th century when Christianity came or nations who had laws that restrict the penetration of Christianity. Will God a Just God judge them based on them not believing in a person they have never even heard of? Did Job, a non Jew and non Christian believe in Jesus or the Jewish customs? But he was said to be blameless and upright before God. Romans 2:11-16.
Every man shall be judged by HIS WORKS. Our belief in Christ helps us to live that life, if it doesn't help a man live right, then his belief is as good as 'p' in psychology. James 2:14.
Thanks.

tctrills:
Jesus Christ is not like any other God, he is the one true God like his Father.

He is the Jehovah of the old testament. David called him his Lord. The men of old had a relationship with him.
He was the God that led the children of Israel across the Red Sea.
And he is the one that has asked us to be his witnesses.

Sir, I don't think you need to argue this any further sir. I have engaged them and I think both of you are looking at it from two different angles that can be united and that will represent the scriptures. I have given the same reply to Mr Gabriel and other person and we all agreed. This is the true position of the scriptures sir.

1. That Jesus is god based on his divinity and existence and also the confirmation of Thomas in John 20:28-29
John 20:28-29
[28]“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.
[29]Then Jesus told him, “You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me.”

2. That the Father is greater than the son (Jesus). This is also confirm by Jesus himself severally and accept that the Father is his god as clearly stated in John 14:28 and John 20:17.

3. That the son (Jesus) is subject to the Father and the Father is not subject to the son as clearly stated in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
[27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
[28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

I DO NOT THINK YOU DISAGREE WITH ANY OF MY THREE POINTS ABOVE.
THANKS.

MaxInDHouse:
Question 1&2 are same.
James is the first brother of Jesus {Matthew 13:55}Jesus told him many things which this young man found so difficult to believe not until Jesus appeared to him after his resurrection {1Corinthians 15:7} to prove that truly he is the Christ. Now as a Jew those with James were former Judaists who converted to Christianity so they now found it difficult to believe that the law of circumcision doesn't apply anymore in Christianity that doesn't mean it's James who sent them it's evident that they may have been arguing with James over the matter before sending words to the Apostles and Older men in Jerusalem {Act 15:1-2} and after the Governing Body (Apostle and Older men) from Jerusalem sent a letter to all Christians Judas and Silas took the message to them everyone submitted to the decision of the Governing Body! Act 15:30-33

Question 3
There was a rumour that Paul is telling the Jews not to circumcise their children again which is a lie, what the Apostles are saying is that circumcision is not a compulsion for anyone who embrace the faith in Christ so if someone is a Jew that has been their custom from time immemorial but such mustn't be forced on a gentile who never had anything to do with Judaism but now ready to become a Christian through faith in Jesus Christ.
Paul himself wrote in his letter:
To the Jews I became as a Jew in order to gain Jews; to those under law I became as under law, though I myself am not under law, in order to gain those under law. To those without law I became as without law, although I am not without law toward God but under law toward Christ, in order to gain those without law. To the weak I became weak, in order to gain the weak. I have become all things to people of all sorts, so that I might by all possible means save some. But I do all things for the sake of the good news, in order to share it with others. 1 Corinthians 9:20-23

So they are all on the same page!

Sir, you made series of points that I also share except:
1. In your reaction to the first two questions, you said "some from James" meant those who must have argued with James. I don't not agree. If that was the fact, Peter and Barnabas wouldn't have respected them to the level of being afraid of them. James believed and held that the Jews should continue to observe the customs which included circumcision but not the Gentiles. While Paul believed that circumcision is useless both to the Jews and the Gentiles. Remember, the agreement in Acts 15 was only to the Gentiles while the Jews maintained the status quo which I don't think really sat well with Paul seeing that Paul do not want any difference or distinction between the Jews and the Gentiles. This was show in Paul's letter to the Galatians in Galatians 3:23-29
Galatians 3:23-29
[23]Before the way of faith in Christ was available to us, we were placed under guard by the law. We were kept in protective custody, so to speak, until the way of faith was revealed.
[24]Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith.
[25]And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian.
[26]For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
[27]And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have put on Christ, like putting on new clothes.
[28]There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.

James held a different view on how the law was to be practiced different from Paul's view.
Even if you notice James letter, unlike Peter's and Paul's, he only sent his letter to the Jews alone across the world and not to Gentiles - James was remembered as a Judaistic Christian in his practice, a blend of Judaism and Christianity.
James 1:1
[1]This letter is from James, a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.I am writing to the “twelve tribes”—Jewish believers scattered abroad.Greetings!

delkuf:
good viewpoint. But all this your English and blabbing, is confusing your viewpoint

Smile. I will take note of that.
Thank.

MaxInDHouse:
This is not about Jesus is Michael or JW we are now talking about what Paul and James said.

James is not talking about WORKS of the law remember he while making his point he mentioned Abraham and Rahab for leaving their comfort zone to do what God asked them to do! James 2:23-24

These two examples had nothing to do with mosaic laws because they are not with Moses!

Smile. Maxim. Let me ask you this tree questions on James and Paul and highlight each question as you answer them specifically.
1. What did Paul meant by "some (friends) from James" in Galatians 2:12.?
2. What was the viewpoint of these "friends from James" on circumcision according to same Galatians 2:12.?
3. The discussion in Acts 21:18-24. What were the friends of James and James trying to make Paul do to convince the converting Jews in relation to the Mosaic law and the Jewish customs?

We have both read scriptures, I do not criticize even with my knowledge of scriptures, I try to look at why people think the way they think and also respect it as long as it does not affect the core principles of salvation.

Pls answer those questions one after the other. Pls don't lump it up. Address them point by point since you are of the opinion that James was not peculiar about the law of Moses. Thanks.

delkuf:
share your viewpoint, let me under you

1. That Jesus is god based on his divinity and existence and also the confirmation of Thomas in John 20:28-29
John 20:28-29
[28]“My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed.
[29]Then Jesus told him, “You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me.”

2. That the Father is greater than the son (Jesus). This is also confirm by Jesus himself severally and accept that the Father is his god as clearly stated in John 14:28 and John 20:17.

3. That the son (Jesus) is subject to the Father and the Father is not subject to the son as clearly stated in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
[27]For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.” (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
[28]Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

I DO NOT THINK YOU DISAGREE WITH ANY OF MY THREE POINTS ABOVE.
THANKS.

MaxInDHouse:
There is nothing like good works, after Jesus' mission on earth the only good work anyone can engage himself is to join Jesus' disciples in the preaching and teaching work he assigned to them! Luke 18:18-23

Before Jesus works of faith is whatever God asks us to do outside our comfort zone that's what James is saying but some like you feels when you claim faith in Jesus without joining his disciples to preach and teach in your neighbourhood is enough ọmọ that's what James is saying!

Paul was telling Christians in Rome that many Jews feels its through the works of mosaic laws that they will gain salvation!

Smile. Sir, James was saying nothing in relation to JW. I understand the fact that you are a strong adherent to the JW but please don't let it cloud your judgement. What I have done is to show you clearly from scriptures that even among the apostles there were some topical issues which were not agreed upon. We all are body of Christ if we hold on to what he represents irrespective of denomination or creed.
For instance:
You can't convince me that Jesus is Michael and it may be impossible for me to convince you that he is not. But what does that change? Is that disagreement enough for either of us to lose salvation or be rejected by God. I think the obvious answer is No. We need to grow to where we all need to matter on what matter and stop majoring on minors.

delkuf:
you own come serious oooo. We have been battling with maxi and his brothers but this your own is on a whole new level

Sir, what level sir? Please, read all my write up on it and you will understand my viewpoint is well evident in the scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
You misconstrued the whole thing!

Paul talked about faith in Jesus' teachings against faith in the works of the mosaic laws {Romans 10:4} James talked about those claiming faith in Christ but aren't doing the WORKS Jesus assigned to his disciples.

According to Paul someone who based his salvation on the laws of Moses is not saved {Luke 18:18-23} James based his letter on the WORKS Jesus assigned which some doesn't feel is necessary as they thought Jesus' death has given them direct Visa to God's Kingdom when they refused to do the work he assigned to his faithful disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

So my guy you didn't get it at all both of them are on the same page!

Sir, you didn't get the message of both men. You only interpreted their intentions which was correct. James will trying to dispel the misinterpretation of Paul's letter especially to the Romans. People still misinterpreted it today that faith alone without good works equals salvation but James pointed it out that it is our good works that shows our faith in God.
Sir, it is not coincidence that both of them quoted the same verse Genesis 15:6, talked about the same man - Abraham and explained the same subject - Salvation through faith and works. Even though, Paul's intention and message was clear, people of that time misconstrued it and James was addressing that. Actually Paul was not only talking about the Mosaic law even though he also addressed that, but he also taught that salvation comes only by faith and not by the works of the Mosaic law .
James was a strong believer in the law, that's why Paul usually refer to people if the circumcision as "people from James." that's is people from the camp of James - Galatians 2:12.
James believed that Jewish believers should still keep the Mosaic law along with their Faith in Christ while the Gentiles should still keep the moral part of the Mosaic laws. But Paul on the other hand believed that the law has been outdated by grace and both the Jews and the Gentiles should not keep the law of Moses. That was evident in Paul and James conversation in Acts 21:17-24. Pay attention to verse 21.
My point is this. If you read all the letters of Paul and other apostles, you will understand that there had always been minor different views on some topic like the circumcision, food, Mosaic law, culture of the Gentiles and how it should be managed in relation to the Jews amongst other issues, but what has and will always keep us together is Jesus and Jesus alone.

MaxInDHouse:
To remind me what i have been taught, the scripture, chapter, verse and how i was taught to apply it.



Please don't lie against the scriptures there is no disagreement among the shepherds regarding doctrine and teaching!

That's why I said Maxim, you still have a lot to learn about church history even from the Apostles days. So, you do not know the difference in Paul and James views on Salvation and Judaism.
That's why I advised that you need to broading your views. For a start, read Romans 4 and James 2:14 downwards and analyze to yourself Paul and James views on Genesis 15:6 and how James reanalyzed Paul's teaching to the Romans on Faith and works and Abraham's righteousness. Then link it to Paul's description of James friends when he rebuked Peter in Galatians 2:11-14.
Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
I just helped you to figure out why there is contradictions among you people it's because God's Holy Spirit doesn't TEACH individuals otherwise there's no need for shepherds and teachers in the church teaching their fellow believers!



Jesus appointed Paul directly but when it comes to teachings Paul relied on what the Apostles and Older men concluded in Jerusalem! Act 16:3-4

Your first point:
Who guides the Human Shepard? What is the role of the Holy Spirit to individual believers?

Your second point:
Paul did not rely on the other apostle. He only relied in the spirit of God in him. Galatians 2 proved that. Read it yourself.
Galatians 2:6
[6]And the leaders of the church had nothing to add to what I was preaching. (By the way, their reputation as great leaders made no difference to me, for God has no favorites.)

Also, Paul did not seem to agree with some of the decision James made in Acts 15, most especially on food offered to idol because Paul taught the Corinthians otherwise in 1 Corinthians 8. And even James accused Paul of teaching against the resolution in Act 15 in Acts 21:17-25.

All these are irrefutable proofs that the Holy Spirit is the most reliable teacher and guide for all true Christians. Not those who lied against the spirit to distirt the truth of the scriptures anyways, but the true followers.

MaxInDHouse:
The Holy Spirit will TEACH a small group who will dispense the teaching to the rest.
For instance in the first century there was a problem regarding the case of fellow believers who are not circumcised whether they are qualified members of the congregation or they must join their fellow believers who has been circumcised as Judaists before convertion to be counted as bonafide members of the congregation.
If the Holy Spirit is to teach each person back then how can Christians in all lands agree?
Because of arguments here and there each person quoting the scriptures to back their opinion the matter was taken to Jerusalem where the Governing Body (Apostles and Older men) prayed over the matter, God's Holy Spirit led them and their conclusion was sent to all the congregations. Act 15:1-29

If holy spirit was teaching each person how can that be possible for the entire association of believers to become One just as Jesus prayed? John 17:22

You only amplified what I said about Acts 15. The only area you should but u don't want to angry is that the Holy Spirit resides in the heart of every true believer and he directs and guides them into all truth. How will even an elder teach the congregation if he himself has not been taught by the spirit? Why will Paul lay claim that he has received his message from no one but from Christ himself through revelation even though he didn't see Christ in his earthly ministry. Galatians 1 proves this that the Holy spirit teaches man without human interference even though fellowship is Key. Or
Maxim, will you interprete Paul's testimony to the Galatians to me in Galatians 1. The whole chapter but let me just drop some verses.

Galatians 1:12,16-19
[12]I received my message from no human source, and no one taught me. Instead, I received it by direct revelation from Jesus Christ.
[16]to reveal his Son to me so that I would proclaim the Good News about Jesus to the Gentiles.When this happened, I did not rush out to consult with any human being.
[17]Nor did I go up to Jerusalem to consult with those who were apostles before I was. Instead, I went away into Arabia, and later I returned to the city of Damascus.
[18]Then three years later I went to Jerusalem to get to know Peter, and I stayed with him for fifteen days.
[19]The only other apostle I met at that time was James, the Lord’s brother.

Thanks