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OkCornel:
After the government of the antichrist (beast, false prophet and the dragon) is conquered at the war of Armageddon, only then can all these be achieved.

Lol...ur changing mouth small small...now ur saying the Antichrist is the combination of Satan,beast and false prophet?) Cos in case u don't know...the dragon is Satan...

Or do u want to say the dragon is not Satan?
If the dragon is Satan...is the Antichrist greater than Satan and the combination of the three...
Don't be confused bro...
Let me here ur reply

OkCornel:
Very easy questions. Got my hands full. I'll be back to answer them...whilst you prepare answers to my questions as well.

I will be waiting

OkCornel:
When the lawless one enters the temple and declares himself God.

Paul explained this in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4

Dear OkCornel
I kept correcting u...but u don't take to it...the Antichrist is a spirit. Do u compare scriptures at all? Let me do it for u...maybe for the last time u can understand 2thess 2:1-12
Let me show u how to interpret scriptures...let's compare similarities.May Hope2014 can also learn too.
The question is who is the Man of Lawlessness? You say the Antichrist...I say the Beast.
I will proof mine with the scriptures u should proof URS too. Let's use Thessalonians and Revelation...let's compare.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-11
[9]This man will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles.
[10]He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them.
[11]So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies.

According to the above verse...the man of Lawlessness will do the work of Satan and will do signs and miracle abi and the people will believe him abi. Compare it with
Revelation 13:3
Revelation 13:3-4,8
[3]I saw that one of the heads of the beast seemed wounded beyond recovery—but the fatal wound was healed! The whole world marveled at this miracle and gave allegiance to the beast.
[4]They worshiped the dragon for giving the beast such power, and they also worshiped the beast. “Who is as great as the beast?” they exclaimed. “Who is able to fight against him?”
[8]And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered before the world was made.

According to the above verse...the beast will do miracle and decieve people meant for destruction...they will bliv him and worship him.

From the above...we can see that the beast is the man of Lawlessness that will do the most abominable and blasphemous...that is why he is called the man of Lawlessness or sin...he is the fullness of SIN, ABOMINATION AND BLASPHEMY.

PLEASE OKCORNEL... SHOW US BY COMPARING SCRIPTURES WHERE YOU SEE ANTICHRIST DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE SAINT JOHN EXPLAINED TO US...UNLESS U WANNA ADMIT THAT ANTICHRIST IS THE BEAST THEN AND YOU KNOW THAT WILL GET U HOOKED...AND PLIS DONT ANSWER QUESTION WITH QUESTION TRYING TO DODGE A STRAIGHT ANSWER.
THANK YOU

OkCornel:
Read Matthew 24 v 21,22 & 29;

21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

Let me know when these have happened. Don't mistake beginning of birth pangs for the days of unequalled distress.

And I've made my stance on pretribulation rapture clear on this thread and on this forum. It is a false doctrine.


Work beckons, we'll continue in the evening.

I av made myself very clear...it is now time for u to answer pertinent questions.
1) base on the chronology our for father's in faith gave which I also explained...the years btw the decree of Artaxerxes and Christ entering the temple to say "today this scripture is fulfilled...the Lord has Anointed me" been exactly 482years and the destruction of the temple happening in btw the 7 year war. WOULD YOU CALL THOSE A MERE COINCIDENCE?

2)About the tribulation... explain how it will happen(will we be gazing at heaven seeing it pour down both the righteous and the unrighteous),how many years?

3)About the Antichrist...who is he,wen will he come...the Job of Satan,beast and false prophet were outlined by John. Since the Antichrist is different from these three,please wat is his role,his beginning and his end gangan?

4) Explain this verse especially the cap one;
1 John 4:3
[3]But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the SPIRIT OF THE ANTICHRIST, which you heard is coming into the world and INDEED IS ALREADY HERE.

Thank you

OkCornel:
You are conflating salvation for fulfillment of prophecy.

How did the Israelites and Jerusalem achieve the things in Daniel 9 v 24 especially after they outrightly rejected the anointed one (Jesus Christ) and cut him off?

That's the million dollar question. Daniel 9 v 24 was very legible and clear. Daniel's people and the most holy city are to achieve those things, not the anointed one.

Daniel 9 v 24;
24 “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

The question still stands, at what point were these achieved by the Israelites and Jerusalem?
1. Finish Transgression
2. Put an end to sin
3. Atone for wickedness
4. Bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS
5. Seal up prophecy and vision
6. Anoint the most holy place.

Why do u keep asking questions over and over again
Let me ask u...how did dey reject the Anointed One? They killed him just like Daniel said. I av answered the rest of ur question but if ur not satisfied...it's okay...and I respect that cos I can't be going round the circle over and over again. Thank u

OkCornel:
I have read about it

What connection does it have with the second coming of Christ?

Those days of distress will pale in comparison to the unequalled days of distress in Matthew 24 v 21 & 29

Sir...wat distress are u waiting for again?...is there peace in the world now?...or are u waiting for wen fire will fall from heaven and destroy one third of world population? Won't the saints also be involved if that happens? Unless u bliv in pretribulaton rapture and I don't think so...
It is happening in the world and it will continue to get worse and more unbearable and don't think 666 is literal...No. that a person will come and start giving people mark...it's a lie.people av predicted and failed over the years cos they don't think. 666 is SIN...it will be voluntary or life will be difficult for u...many years ago people do business and make profit but now if u do business faithfully u will know dat it's difficult to make good profit...if u write ur CV without lies...u will know it's difficult to get Job...if ur looking for contract without corruption u will know life is double. A time will come...u won't even be able to feed ursef without sin and it will be very difficult to live righteously without been hated by ur colleagues or even killed so as not to stop them from doing their bidding. Sin is becoming normal now even to Christians...but a time is coming it will become unbearable to live without sin.
I don't really want to talk about Revelation cos it is deep. NOTE: There is not greater mark the devil is known for the SIN(Satan Identity Number)...if 666 is the mark of the beast the SIN at it peak and extreem is sure wat it is.

OkCornel:
The bolded is your insertion into the scriptures. Your position would have had some merit if Daniel 9 v 24 was worded this way,

Daniel 9 v 24;
24 “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for the anointed one to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

But no, it was worded this way;

Daniel 9 v 24;
24 “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

You think the all knowing God did not know about all of this when he sent Gabriel to inform Daniel of the 70 weeks' prophecy?

The question still stands, at what point were these achieved by the Israelites and Jerusalem?
1. Finish Transgression
2. Put an end to sin
3. Atone for wickedness
4. Bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS
5. Seal up prophecy and vision
6. Anoint the most holy place.

Let me give you a hint, this can never happen until Jesus Christ is accepted by the nation of Israel as the messiah;

Matthew 23 v 37-39;
37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.
38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.
39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

That is a lie that some teachers have brainwash people about without biblical proof...they will tell u the Jews av a second chance but it's a lie...they were people cherished by God but they lost the privilege and the Lord made the door open wider to them and also the gentiles...they no longer enjoy any grace more than the gentiles...the same door of salvation will be closed at the same time wen Jesus return. Like Paul said...no more Jews,no more gentiles...even Jesus said it that "strangers will enter the kingdom will the sons of the kingdom (Jews) will be casted out"...

Sir,I am a Pentecostal,but I don't let any teaching either Pentecostal or any other make my study of the scriptures subjective or bias...I read and read and study.
Let me repeat.
NO MORE JEWS NO MORE GENTILES.

And for where u highlighted in Daniel 9...those were the requirements for them to maintain their standing in God's place...but they failed and Christ came and opened the door to the gentiles and the Jews ALIKE...

God be with u

OkCornel:
Matthew 24 v 29
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’


This passage clearly shows those days of unequalled distress is yet to manifest. Spanish flu, or the bubonic plague or the world wars ain’t it…

Av u read about the dark age before? How the sun did not shine in a larger part of Europe for months or years? Have u research at all.
Let me ask u a simple question?...how do u tink those tribulations will happen... simultaneously? All of us will be gazing at heaven and it will be pouring down? Within a year? Seven years?... Come off it bro...not like dat...how do u tink the world kept getting worse by the day?...

OkCornel:
Sure thing. Immaculatesense, please take note

I am not a stalker...I don't even av time...he is a JW and u know they don't like their false teaching bn exposed with biblical proof...wen they run out of stock...they result to asking u no to quote them...but as biblical christians that is not subjective to denomination...it is difficult for us to stand wen heresy is bn fed to people on a wide forum as this...since people pick their thoughts from such forum.
Ask him to stop posting his heresy here.Let him keep them for his fellow JW people. As long as he doesn't do dat...I and many others will be here to refute their heresy.
Thank u

OkCornel:
Brother, did you read the bolded parts of Daniel 9 v 24? It’s the Israelites and Jerusalem that were decreed to achieve those things spelt out in there. You’ve switched the subject to Jesus who was cut off and rejected by these same people anyways.

How and when did the Israelites and Jerusalem achieve these things in Daniel 9 v 24?

1. Finish Transgression
2. Put an end to sin
3. Atone for wickedness
4. Bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS
5. Seal up prophecy and vision
6. Anoint the most holy place.

Exactly why I said u don't read...u don't link all my comments that's why u understand each one separately instead of jointly...since the Jews through Judaism failed to meet these above requirement...the Anointed One came to fulfil them and he became the righteousness of God. He who reads should be able to understand na...do u want me to explain the whole salvation plan of God for u since the Jewish one failed?
Romans 8:3-4
[3]The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.
[4]He did this so that the just requirement of the law would be fully satisfied for us, who no longer follow our sinful nature but instead follow the Spirit.

OkCornel:
The person who will kill the two witnesses and desecrate the temple is the beast. There goes your answer.

Exactly ur right...now tell me wat is the role of the Antichrist in all these? Since he is not the Satan,the beast and the false prophet who would play the roles in the end and be cast into the lake of fire...or did Revelation also say the Antichrist will be captured and thrown into the lake with them?...cos I did not read John said that? Since the Antichrist is not Satan,beast or false prophet?

OkCornel:
Hope 2014 - Matthew 24 v 9 speaks of persecution which is actually different from Matthew 24 v 21-22, which is yet to happen.

Matthew 24 v 9;
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.

This has happened, and still happening…

Matthew 24 v 21-22

21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened

This is yet to happen…

Lol...dear Hope2014 and OkCornel...
9"were the Apostles not all killed...is the killings not ongoing now?

21" was the 1914 world war and the 1945 world war 2 not the greatest and most fearful in man's history? Millions died to the Spanish flu(the worst death to sickness in man's history minus Africa dat has no data at the time ooo"

22"the word shorten means reduce or brought to a fast end...the Spanish flu for instance just disappeared into thin air...no cure and no one knows how...it was shortened cos dat sickness claim 50 million lives imagine it can kill the whole world but it was shortened...the world war was shortened so also is the second world war...they all av the ability to bring the world to an end but because the elect av not all bn sealed...they were all shortened. The tribulation as always bn ongoing and the second coming of christ will bring an end to that.
I love u all

OkCornel:
So the Antichrist who will make war with the two witnesses and kill them in Revelation 11. Has that happened already? Is that Antichrist not a single man?

The Antichrist who will desecrate the temple as Paul explained in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4, is that not a single man?

Context is key.

OkCornel...guy...I told u I don't want to delve into Revelation...but let me give u a clue...Satan the devil will form his own trinity himself,the Beast and the false prophet...at that time will 2thessalonia and Revelation will be fulfilled. Let me ask u...is Antichrist the Satan, or the Beast or the False prophet?...ur answer to this question will make u understand that 2thessalonia very well.
Thank u

OkCornel:
I saw it. It didn’t answer the questions spot on.

For example;

1. When was the most holy place anointed? The answers I saw there were;

A) The most holy (not the most holy place o) was anointed was referring to Christ. Or

B) Christ is the holy of Holies…hence, that is how the “most holy place” is anointed.

The question was on “ when the most holy place was anointed” not “when the most Holy person was anointed”

2) When was prophecy and vision sealed up? No direct answer to this. And just to add, prophecies on the second coming of Christ is yet to be fulfilled!

3) When was EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS brought in?

The answer there was about preaching of everlasting righteousness, rather than when everlasting righteousness would actually be a reality in Jerusalem and by extension, the world.

Everlasting righteousness can only be brought in when the millennial kingdom commences, and Christ rules the nations with a rod of iron. This is yet to happen.

So please, my 6 questions from Daniel 9 v 24 still stands. At what point in history were these achieved by the Jews and inhabitants of the city of Jerusalem?

1. Finish Transgression
2. Put an end to sin
3. Atone for wickedness
4. Bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS
5. Seal up prophecy and vision
6. Anoint the most holy place.

Dear OkCornel
That's why I said...u didn't take ur time to read my write up...if u had...u would av broaden ur knowledge and no one is showing ego here...
I used this verse for you when Jesus first proclaim himself as the Anointed One.
Luke 4:17-18
[17]The scroll of Isaiah the prophet was handed to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where this was written:
[18]“The Spirit of the lord is upon me,
    for he has anointed me to bring Good News to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim that captives will be released,
    that the blind will see,
that the oppressed will be set free,
   
From the period the king Arterxerxes made d declaration to build Jerusalem and the temple to this time Jesus entered the temple in 30CE,Historians revealed it was 483 years (according to Daniel's seven of seven plus sixty two of seven =483year)

Jesus became the everlasting righteousness of God and mankind that was BROUGHT IN to the temple to declare the ACCEPTABLE YEAR of the Lord.

OkCornel
I understand the millennium year reign of Christ and it's yea and Amen...no doubt about that...but the point is that John talked about the millennium reign...it is yea and Amen. But the bone of contention here is...did Daniel chapter 9 talk of the Millennium reign or the rebuilding/destruction and the coming of the Anointed One? The answer is...Daniel in chapter 9 does not talk about the Millennium reign in any of the verses but talked about the rebuilding/destruction and the coming of the Anointed One...since that is wat he was praying about from verse 1-14.

Thank u

Hope2014:
Please which 70 weeks prophecy. After Rapture is tribulation vials of wrath then I think Jesus is coming to commit mass genocide to welcome in the millennial reign, after the millennial reign then another mass burnings and burial to welcome judgement day. The only thing I don't know is will things be very hard after Rapture like food and water??

Dear Hope2014
Let no one decieve u of expected a future tribulations... tribulations had started a very very long time ago...do u think the tribulations in Revelation will happen in the space of one year? Seven years? NO!...if u read very well those tribulations that will follow after each trumpet and bowls...do u know how many people in man history have died due to famine? Do u know how many had died due to sickness? Do u know how many had died due to war or terror?...the tribulations has started a long time ago...the end of tribulations will Mark the peaceful reign of Christ that will begin with the Ressurrection of the living and the dead. Don't let anyone decieve you...

OkCornel:
The Lawless One is the AntiChrist

It's a treaty with Israel and rival nations which will usher a period of peace. Israel would be betrayed, as the covenant would be broken mid-way, the temple desecrated...and that'll usher in the time of Jacob's trouble, and by extension...the great tribulation around the world.

Dear OkCornel
I have told u...the Antichrist is not a person but spirit. All the verses that talk about the Antichrist never revealed it has person but spirit/ideology. It is only saint John that talk about Antichrist...go and read 1John very well. The wicked on which is the beast is a very different character on it own...but since that is in the book of Revelation...I won't delve into it at all.
Below are ALL the verses that talked about Antichrist in the WHOLE Bible;even John told us in 1john4:3 that the Antichrist is already in the world. So,tell me...wat Antichrist are u expecting again?
1 John 2:18,22
[18]Dear children, the last hour is here. You have heard that the Antichrist is coming, and already many such antichrists have appeared. From this we know that the last hour has come.
[22]And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist.
1 John 4:3
[3]But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world and indeed is already here.
2 John 1:7
[7]I say this because many deceivers have gone out into the world. They deny that Jesus Christ came in a real body. Such a person is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Stay BLESSED.

OkCornel:
Now let’s rewind to Daniel 9 v 24. At the end of the 70 weeks, certain things are meant to be fulfilled by the Jews and inhabitants of Jerusalem namely;

1. Finish Transgression
2. Put an end to sin
3. Atone for wickedness
4. Bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS
5. Seal up prophecy and vision
6. Anoint the most holy place.


At what point in history where these achieved? If you insist the 70 weeks prophecy has elapsed.

Did u even see my last post on Daniel? Before I post that one on Matthew?...it's just the second to my last comment...go and read it...I took all the time to explain the whole Daniel 9 from verse 1-27...and I answered All those ur six questions there.
With all the historical proves I revealed there,no one can reasonably question those fact unless the person want to claim that those timing were here Coincidence...and that will be some kind unreasonable...so,go check it out and quote me on it and ask questions. I am here.

MaxInDHouse:
Since you agree with Jesus oya present a better performing group than JWs!

Dear MaxinDHouse
Do u now see wat I am opening ur eyes to see?...I just stumbled on this thread and I read through...@courz has said all that I av bn refraining myself from saying cos I don't like throwing tantrums...you kept asking him to tell u another option better than JW. He referred u to
John 4:23-24
[23]But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.
[24]For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”

There is no option to Jesus...it is a service of individual in truth and spirit. All these founders of Catholic, Anglican, Pentecostal, Baptist,JW and wat av u have all failed. There history and foundational teachings are ALL questionable.
We shouldn't be more inclined on denomination...we should focus on individuals relationship with God. When a denomination was attend dish our a teaching...we shouldn't just accept in order to show allegiance...we need to compare then with the scriptures and test every spirit(teaching and doctorine) and lay hold on the truth no matter who it is coming from.
Acts of the Apostles 17:11
[11]And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul’s message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to see if Paul and Silas were teaching the truth.

Like I always say...u av the potentials...don't subjectively restrict ursef
PEACE

OkCornel:
I'll reply you after working hours today.

Do have a productive day ahead.

Amen...and you too
Thanks alot for the good wish
I will be waiting for ur reply

OkCornel:
I'll reply you after working hours today.

Do have a productive day ahead.

Amen...and you too
Thanks alot for the good wish

OkCornel:
If according to you Daniel’s 70 week prophecy is already fulfilled. Kindly explain how;

A) Daniel 9 v 24 is already fulfilled.
1. Finish Transgression
2. Put an end to sin
3. Atone for wickedness
4. Bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS
5. Seal up prophecy and vision
6. Anoint the most holy place.

B) Matthew 24 v 21 - Is the great tribulation already fulfilled? Yes or No. If yes, when exactly?

B) Concerning Matthew 24
Let me help u break the verses into the answer Jesus gave to address both questions that were asked.
Matthew 24:3
[3]Later, Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and said, “Tell us, when will all this happen? What sign will signal your return and the end of the world?”

Questions
1) When will THIS happen? (2) What sign will signal your return and the end of the world?

Answers
1) This is a singular article. So,by THIS wat do the apostles mean or wat were they asking ABOUT? In verse 1-2...Jesus told them that the temple will be demolished and no stone left on the other. So the Apostles asked when(that is,timing and sign to watch out for). In verse 34. Jesus told them that this generation (a century marks a generation) will not pass until this things are fulfilled. From the above,we can agree Jesus was not talking about his second coming but referring to the temple. That been said; because of our time...the timing for the first question was to be before the end of that generation and dis was fulfilled...that generation did not end wen the temple was destroyed even John was still alive. Since the timing is answered...wat are the signs? These are the verses that talk about the sign of the destruction of the temple(not the end of time). Matthew 24:15-22,34. That tribulation was the worst in the Jewish history wen the Roman desecrated the holy place by entering the most holies. Read
Matthew 24:15-16
[15]“The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!)
[16]“Then those in Judea must flee to the hills.

2) the second coming and the end of time.
Note that concerning the first question on the destruction of the temple...Jesus boldly said it that it will happen in that generation but concerning his second coming and the end of time Jesus said in verse 36 that he himself doesn't even know but the Father alone...so,it's different from dat generation will not pass. These are the passages that talked about the incident of his second coming and the end of time. Matthew 24: 5-14,23-33,35-51.


Even no part of the 22 chapters of Revelation mentioned 7 years...even the Revelation 11 ur laying strong claims to only talked of 42month(3and half years) of witnessing which is also the same period of the gentiles. It's not as if the gentiles have 3and half years and the witness av a different 3 and half years. It's still d same 3 and half. Read
Revelation 11:2-3
[2]But do not measure the outer courtyard, for it has been turned over to the nations. They will trample the holy city for 42 months.
[3]And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will be clothed in burlap and will prophesy during THOSE 1,260 days.”

So,I don't know how it that place read seven years to u or how it relates to Daniel

Thank u

OkCornel:
If according to you Daniel’s 70 week prophecy is already fulfilled. Kindly explain how;

A) Daniel 9 v 24 is already fulfilled.
1. Finish Transgression
2. Put an end to sin
3. Atone for wickedness
4. Bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS
5. Seal up prophecy and vision
6. Anoint the most holy place.

B) Matthew 24 v 21 - Is the great tribulation already fulfilled? Yes or No. If yes, when exactly?

Dear OkCornel
Let me give u the simple basics so that u will not be lost along the line
In Daniel 9:1-20...Daniel was praying for days for the restoration of Jerusalem and the restoration of the temple. He wants Jerusalem that was then desolate to be rehabitated and the temple rebuilt so the service to God in the Jewish land can commence.

In Daniel 9;21-23... Gabriel (one of the high ranking Angels in heaven) came to meet him to tell him about the decree that had bn made in heaven during the cause of his prayer and now he want to make him understand the resolution of the Most High.

In Daniel 9:24...that is where I want u to pay attention to my analysis and wat the earliest saints agreed on in different dispensation.Let me quote it out first. Read
Daniel 9:24
[24]“A period of seventy sets of seven has been decreed for your people and your holy city to finish their rebellion, to put an end to their sin, to atone for their guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to confirm the prophetic vision, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.


Here is the interpretation of the above... Gabriel told Daniel that his prayer for Jerusalem and the temple had bn heard since without the temple the practice of Judaism(old form of Judaism before the Rabbinic Judaism that started in 70BC onward) cannot be practice. So the rebuilding of the temple was so important to Judaism (the Jewish worship). Gabriel told Daniel that 70 of 7 weeks calculated to be 490years had been decreed for your people(the Jews) to practice Judaism in it's purest form by ending (1) their rebellion against God that always make him purnish them through exile. (2) put an end to their sin (4) attone for their sin (true repentance). (5) to bring everlasting righteousness. (6) to confirm the prophetic vision(agreement between God and Abraham...to place their own part of obedience to God. (6) To anoint the most holy place(make the place of Gods abode holy so that the presence of God can reside. Those are the six criteria unless verse 25 will happen. Let's go analyse verse 25.

Daniel 9:25...let's quote it first.
Daniel 9:25
[25]Now listen and understand! Seven sets of seven plus sixty-two sets of seven will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until a ruler—the Anointed One—comes. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and strong defenses, despite the perilous times.

Now listen.
Seven set of seven(49years) plus sixty two sets of seven(434years) total of 483years from the command to rebuild the temple.
Note the 483years was to begin wen a command goes how to rebuild the temple not from wen Daniel saw the vision. In Nehemiah 2 during the twentieth years of king Artaxerxes of Assyria the command was given to Nehemiah to rebuild the wall and the temple even though they face perilous time under Sambalat and Tobiah which was explained by Gabirel in the last sentence of that verse. Historians calculated the timing of the decree of the king to the time in Luke 4:14-18 when Jesus entered the temple by the spirit to say Luke 4:18
[18]“The Spirit of the lord is upon me,
    for he has anointed me to bring Good News to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim that captives will be released,
    that the blind will see,
that the oppressed will be set free,
   Was exactly 483...that can't be coincidence to wen Gabriel told Daniel that the Anointed One will come which marked the end of Judaism and the start of Christianity but for that to be accomplished,the Temple which is the symbol of Judaism must be destroyed. Note in verse 25 one seven(7years) was left out. Now let move to verse 26.

In Daniel 9:26...let me quote it first.
Daniel 9:26
[26]“After this period of sixty-two sets of seven, the Anointed One will be killed, appearing to have accomplished nothing, and a ruler will arise whose armies will destroy the city and the Temple. The end will come with a flood, and war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end.

We know that from that period Jesus made that statement the Jewish leader began to sort for his life. He was killed and the Jewish thought the biggest threat to Judaism was laid off not knowing that his death spelt doom and sometin big is coming for them.
A ruler(Rome(Nero)) will arise whose armies(led by Titus) would destroy the city(Jerusalem/Judea) and the Temple. The misery will last to the very end(the temple will remain desolate(unbuilt).

In Daniel 9:27 the last verse...let me quote it first
Daniel 9:27
[27]The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him.”

I av explained this passage in a previous post but I will just keep it very short. The ruler(Rome) will make a treaty with THE PEOPLE(ur own version say MANY)...the people was definitely that's is the Jews or inhabitants of Judea. And the treaty was to allow them practice their religion and allow pigrims free entry(there is more to the treaty anyways like I av explained in previous post) which the Roman agreed. For a period of seven(7years) the whole war lasted(66-73CE) but in the middle of it (70CE) a sudden assualt was launched...the Jews were cut unaware and murders (an historian said over a million,another said over six hundred thousand)...and the treasury of the temple including the holies where only the high priest could enter was desecrated which is the "ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION".
But in few centuries from that time...the long reign of Rome came to an unexpected end to fulfil the later part of the prophesy.

These is wat our fathers believe which accords with history...this is wat I believe and can be proven without mincing words...the Antichrist is a spirit not human...and it was even only apostle John that talked about him and John was so careful to let us know that it's not human but a spirit and his spirit is at work. Read:
1 John 2:18
[18]Dear children, the last hour is here. You have heard that the Antichrist is coming, and already many such antichrists have appeared. From this we know that the last hour has come.
1 John 4:3
[3]But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world and indeed is already here.

I LOVE YOU BROTHER

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OkCornel:
Explaining Isaiah 7 is a deflection from the real issues raised on Matthew 24 and Isaiah 14. But I will oblige you on this, and I am not going to dwell on this for too long.

Isaiah 7 verse 14 was a multiple fulfillment. One which is directly in connection to the sign Ahaz sought to confirm the two Canaanite Kings whom Israel feared would be raided by them would be destroyed. This was fulfilled in Isaiah 8 v 3-4.

The other fulfillment, which is not directly connected to the sign Ahaz sought for, but was counted as fulfillment of prophecy nonetheless was in Matthew 1 v 23.



Read Daniel 9 v 24-27 together, you'll see the context.

Verse 24 - The entire 70 x 7 is for the Jews and the city of Jerusalem to;
1. Finish Transgression
2. Put an end to sin
3. Atone for wickedness
4. Bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS
5. Seal up prophecy and vision
6. Anoint the most holy place.

As we are all aware, none of these has been achieved by the Jews and the inhabitants of Jerusalem up till today. Why? Because the "final 7" is yet to happen... after which the millennial kingdom of Christ would be set up.

Verse 25 & 26 - Clearly states "69 x 7" will span the period from when the word goes out to restore Jerusalem to when the anointed one will be cut-off.

Verse 27 - The "final 7" is yet to happen, as a covenant WITH MANY (not just the holy people) is yet to be in place. This is the same covenant which would be broken midway and the outer court of the temple would be trampled by the gentiles for 42 months (3.5 years i.e. one half of 7 years) in Revelation 11 v 2

If you dispute the above, then please prove to us how the Jews and inhabitants of Jerusalem achieved the 6 points set out in verse 24.


Jesus Christ


My answer to question 3 should answer this already.


"69 x 7" are already fulfilled. Read Daniel 9 v 25 slowly. The final 7 is yet to happen, as a covenant with many is not in place yet.
If Daniel's 70x7 is already fulfilled, are you implying the great tribulation has happened and Jesus second coming has happened, hmmm?



The signs of the second coming and end of the age - Matthew 24 v 14-15, 21,24 & 29






And by the way you’re yet to confirm whether the great tribulation Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 v 21 has happened or not I won’t let you off the hook on this one.

I told u...verse 21 of Matthew is talking about FUTURE tribulations,prior to that verse Jesus was talking about the destruction of the Temple which happened before that generation ended and the prophesy of Daniel fulfilled... Daniel 9 has nothing to do with Revelation 11...at all...
Lol...like I always say...no proof,no evidence,no solid and reliable references...just made up in ur head and d head of those who are brainwashed.
For ur information and those who care to know...below are second century church fathers and history on the fulfilment of Daniel 9...maybe u can show ur own proof and evidence...cos I can be going on a circle with u

OkCornel:
Dodging tactics?

I answered your 6 questions directly, and then asked follow up questions on areas of interest.

Take your time and read through, no need to reply in a haste.

Show us those answers na and how it was answered...are u trying to say it is harder copying and pasting than all this time wasting ur doing to reply me or search for witness who can't even face me to avail the foundation of his religion or belief?
I thought ur wiser than that na...why are u afraid? Are u not proud of ur answers cos am proud of mind and I can defend them with BOTH SCRIPTURES AND HISTORY...and not saying PAUSED without both biblical or historical proof

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you times without number:

You and i aren't worshiping the same God!

So stop thinking there's any similarity between my God and yours the difference is clear.
Please continue worshiping your God while i keep worshiping mine and stop quoting me because it can't work out friendship between you and i.
Goodbye!

I just confirmed that too...it's sealed

MaxInDHouse:
I wasn't following!
I hate reading misinformed churchgoer's posts so once i find out that someone isn't ready to learn i totally ignore them and their post!

Dear MaxinDHouse
Answer for urself whether it is right to learn from someone whose foundation is questionable and whose reasoning is programmed.

OkCornel:
Go and check my response, all questions answered.

I av read ur responses...more of u asking more questions from questions.
If ur sure of ur answer...just copy and paste...simple...then make them numerical...place each question beside the answer and highlight them. Demarcate the answer by spacing like I always do urs...is that hard to do just once and for all?
Or better still just tell me ur not interested...I won't force u...I will only give up... SIMPLE

OkCornel:
Go check my response, it's lengthy, and I'm on the last paragraph.

Hold off on a reply till I answer the last question

Brother...I always answer ur question numerically...wen u want to answer mind...answer it numerically...don't just answer ambiguously and say u av answer...be numerical from (1) to (4) then I will know which one u av answered so that I will know how to react to each of ur claim

MaxInDHouse:
I've told you to enroll for free home Bible study or you continue following misinformed Churchgoers up and down.
You and i aren't worshiping the same God!

In the beginning God never promised anyone heaven it's the earth that God always promise His faithful servants {Psalms 37:9-11, 29} but because the nation of Israelites was condemned with their city (Jerusalem) which supposed to be the center of God's Kingdom on earth {Matthew 23:37-38} Jesus reassured his faithful friends that God's promise of making Jews the first race is still on but the government house of God's Kingdom will no longer be on planet earth rather he is taking his co-rulers to where he came from "heaven" {John 14:1-3} so God's Kingdom will reign on planet earth but the rulers along with Jesus Christ will be in heaven!
The co-rulers are limited in number that's why Jesus often refer to them as "little flock" {Luke 12:32} they will become creatures without flesh so they can't marry like all other faithful servants of God again! Luke 20:34-36
But countless faithful servants of God and other Christians will live forever on planet earth {Matthew 5:5} that's why Jesus said John the baptist never qualified to join those going to heaven though because he was not baptized in spirit! Matthew 11:11-12


Just as Christ died and his body was buried all born again Christians will also die and be buried like seeds sown in the ground {1Corinthians 15:43} but some of them will not spend a second in their graves after the first set has been taken to heaven {1Thessalonians 4:17} others must wait until Michael (the Archangel) call them! 1Thessalonians 4:16



They will be taken to heaven as spirit beings so nobody can see them physically when they're moving but those on the earth will feel their departure!

Dear MaxinDHouse
For the first time I will agree with u...maybe we do not bliv in same God like u always emphasize...I know my God YAHWEH...maybe I don't know urs...
And Michael is not the one I am waiting for...I am waiting for Christ Jesus...so,like u said...maybe we are waiting for two different Messiah...wait for ur Michael...I will wait for my Christ Jesus(Son Of Man).
And maybe it was ur Messiah dat had come in 1914 like ur founder said...maybe...but mind had not come.
So,maybe we are not serving the same God like u always claim since all indications shows our different hopes and believe.
Matthew 24:23,26-27
[23]“Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it.
[26]“So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it!
[27]For as the lightning flashes in the east and shines to the west, so it will be when the Son of Man comes.

OkCornel:
I assume you're aware this is working hours. I have urgent priorities to sort.

I don't think our discussion is a life or death issue...unless you're idle or something

Dear OkCornel
Idle?
The last reply I gave u was around past 8 in the morning...and the next one I reply was around 4p.m...
Don't u think I must av bn busy during those gap in time or u tink my time PAUSED from 8a.m and restarted by 4p.m like ur prophecy claim?
But u know why I like u...u are very wise...u successfully Dodged my four questions...for that I give u Kudos

LordReed:
LoLz! You want to start being disrespectful? Don't go down that road if you don't want to shed crocodile tears.

I already answered your question read the last post and read the attached screenshot.

U seem lost...and ur source seem lost too... unverified source...how can a source for that matter tell u something remains in the "THOUGHT" of the people during d time that the documented proof was that the Earth is FLAT. But ur source said it was in their thoughts. Nawa ooo...
Okay o...I mentioned Isaiah please mention one of those "THOUGHTERS" at the time abi na only Isaiah get name and talk am that time?
And I told u Isaiah was 7BC dating earlier than those unnamed thoughts. Maybe it was Isaiah that stated the thought since those thoughts are namely