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LordReed:
LoLz! It's so funny how you guys make this thing into a comedy show. It is written in the Bible “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus! Yet you say it could be in 10000 years, how tf is 10k years coming quickly? How is even 2000 years coming quickly?

I am wondering when it will be the time to recognise that it is bullshit.

Dear LordReed
I respect ur thoughts so much...2000 years has passed since Christ said he is coming. As at the time...he gave us just a sign to look out for which is:
Matthew 24:14
[14]And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come.

LordReed, statistics can prove it that as at the time of the apostles,even 1% of the world population has not even heard the gospel message. And u can believe with me that there is no accurate statistics as of today even with the Advent of social media and technology that the message has reached the ears of all that is presently alive. How far we have bn able to get the message accross may be 70%,80% or more or less. But the coming was hinged on a last check...every living at the time must av had for a witness.
So, LordReed like I said,I respect ur opinion and whether or not u chose to believe or otherwise,it is a choice...but u can agree with me that with the above...God was never lying or postponing...it is left to us as Christians to carry out the mandate of the Lord,once it is fulfilled,then the end will come...but the big question is;" when"?
If it can take Noah and his children over a hundred year to preach to a population that is less than a 100,000...how long do u think God is ready to wait patiently for the message to reach an 8 billion population?
Like I said in the post u quoted...it may be now,it may be after 10000 years...but sometin is Sure and Amen...HE WILL COME SOMEDAY AND ALL EYES WILL SEE HIM.
2 Peter 3:8-10
[8]But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.
[9]The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.
[10]But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment.

I Love you brother.

MaxInDHouse:
Who asked you to believe in the name given to a book of books?
Come on that's just the name given to the book it has nothing to do with what the book contains so if you don't know just let those that knows address my question.

If the word "RAPTURE" is nowhere to be found in the Bible then it's irrelevant, period!

Lol...it can work with Bible.. but not with Rapture right?...I get u...and dats funny.
In case u don't know... Rapture means Ressurrection of both the living and the dead.. just as Bible means compilation of books.
So stop beating about the bush on just synonyms.

Or does rapture has another hidden meaning to u that u don't like or subscribed to?
Ask...u know I will clarify tinz for u

Steep:
The antichrist is not Barack Obama. In fact the bible tells us where the antichrist will come from.
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
@ bolded who were the people that destroyed the temple this prophecy? They were romans.

Who is the coming prince? The antichrist.
The people of the antichrist are the romans meaning the antichrist is coming from Rome which is actually Europe.
If you understand this then you will understand why the world powers want Europe to be united.
The unity of Europe is why there is Ukraine war. It is to unite all European countries which is currently working.
Russia is just playing a script while America is providing the platform to create that unity that platform is NATO.
The pope (Roman catholic church) is actually the custodian of the Roman power.

It has already being planned the antichrist is the one to foster a world unity and peace on earth.

Lol...wrong interpretation...there is no physical appearance of Antichrist...it is a spirit dat dwells in those who violently disaggree with the gosple and deity of christ
1 John 2:18,22
[18]Dear children, the last hour is here. You have heard that the Antichrist is coming, and already many such antichrists have appeared. From this we know that the last hour has come.
[22]And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist.

Secondly,u misinterpreted Daniel 9:26
[26]“After this period of sixty-two sets of seven, the Anointed One will be killed, appearing to have accomplished nothing, and a ruler will arise whose armies will destroy the city and the Temple. The end will come with a flood, and war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end.

Let me ask u...are there two Anointed One(or Messiah)?...Jesus is the only Messiah and he has been Killed as a fulfilment of this passage or will Jesus die the second time again?...

You talked about the destruction of the Temple. It has also been fulfilled in 70AD under general Titus wen the temple was destroyed. So,wat Temple again because even till now...no temple in Jerusalem...the location of the temple is where the great Mosque of the Muslims is currently built...so,will a temple dat does not exist be destroyed.

Please don't let anyone brainwash u with all this signs...all prediction has failed...since 1875...just be alert...Jesus can come today...and he may come after 10000 years from now...new tinz will keep coming and going but it will change notin...Christ will come the date that is already known by the Father alone.

Matthew 24:36-37,42,44
[36]“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.
[37]“When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day.
[42]“So you, too, must keep watch! For you don’t know what day your Lord is coming.
[44]You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.

God bless you

The Devil kept decieving Christians...even the elect. Those who are not careful kept looking for signs. I kept hearing Antichrist reign...is there anything like that? NO...the word Antichrist is a spirit or a word used for people who rather dan accept Christ...they decide to reject him violently. It was on saint John who use the word "Antichrist" and he was specific on the use...let's Read
1 John 2:18,22
[18]Dear children, the last hour is here. You have heard that the Antichrist is coming, and already many such antichrists have appeared. From this we know that the last hour has come.
[22]And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist.
1 John 4:3
[3]But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world and indeed is ALREADY HERE.
2 John 1:7
[7]I say this because many deceivers have gone out into the world. They deny that Jesus Christ came in a real body. Such a person is a deceiver and an antichrist.

This are the above verses that talked about the Antichrist. And from the above we can see that the Antichrist which is a spirit is already in the world staring people us against the Faith.
That being said.
The question is What will happen after the Rapture(ressurrection of both the dead and the living)?.
I wonder how we Christians neglect the word of God and start listening to people's view and supposed knowledge.
According to the whole Revelation 20.
When the trumpet sounds...we av those who are dead and den those who are alive. Those who are dead as believers will be raised,those who died as unbelievers will not. Those who are alive as believers will join them(Christ and his saints) in the air.Those who are alive but are not believers will see all this tinz happen in a jiffy before they cease to live.Meaning at rapture every living being will cease to exist.
Only those who are ressurrected will descend with Christ to earth and reigned peacefully for a thousand years. Read
Revelation 20:4-6
[4]Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus and for proclaiming the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his statue, nor accepted his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They all came to life again, and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
[5]This is the first resurrection. (The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years had ended.)
[6]Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. For them the second death holds no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him a thousand years.

Then after the thousand years. Two things will happen. One,the Satan will be released to earth. Two,the other deads(unbelievers who are already doomed) will be raised also to be led by the Satan himself. Read
Revelation 20:5,7-8
[5]This is the first resurrection. (The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years had ended.)
[7]When the thousand years come to an end, Satan will be let out of his prison.
[8]He will go out to deceive the nations—called Gog and Magog—in every corner of the earth. He will gather them together for battle—a mighty army, as numberless as sand along the seashore.

They will be in a part of the earth while the saints with Christ will be in another part of the earth. After the Satan had gather up his armies and setting up his camp,he will launch and attack against the people of God who are living peacably without worry. The funniest thing is that they(the saints) won't even know that they are surrounded,so,they won't be troubled and their peace will not be truncated. There won't be any war at all because as the Satan is planning his attack,a fire will come from heaven and kill all his armies. He will be left alone to be arrested and cast into the lake of fire.
Read Revelation 20:9-10
[9]And I saw them as they went up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded God’s people and the beloved city. But fire from heaven came down on the attacking armies and consumed them.
[10]Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

This will lead to the last Judgement or the white throne judgement.

Here is the advice. Don't wait for signs...signs decieve. Jesus as told us it will happen when it was least expected...be alert,be vigilant. There is no biblical proof that the will be second chance of 7 years. The rapture marks the end of repentance. CHRIST MAY COME NOW AND HE MAY NOT COME EVEN IN THE NEXT 10,000 YEARS. JUST BE PREPARED WHETHER NOW OR NOT.
THE DAY CANNOT BE CALCULATED.THOSE WHO HAVE TRIED HAVE FAILED WOEFULLY.

LOVE YOU ALL

MaxInDHouse:
Please where is the word "RAPTURE" written in the Bible?

Dear MaxinDHouse
I don't like tackling u but u always make urself complicated...why? Instead of u to contribute...I will still contribute but I just want to read wat people av to say first.
To answer ur question u need to first answer mine...if u can den u will answer yours. Deal

The Question:
Where is the word "BIBLE" written in your scriptures?
Thank u

Dear Op
First and foremost u misinterpreted Romans 1:24 just to drive home a point...that place talks solely on homosexuality...notin more or less...if u had mouth action to it...another person may say it is also wrong for couples to have sex on the couch,chair, standing,woman on top,drrggy...etc...and d list continue...but it's all a lie...that place only talks on Homosexuality.. so,let's stop d additional and subtraction tin just to drive home a poiny
Also...All these ones you wrote up there are ur emotional,logical reasoning...it does not hold water wen it regards the word of God and his laws...the question u shud av asked is "what law does it break?"...NO law...what biblical law support or against the use of contraceptive in marriage...NO law...what law support or against sex styles in marriage?...NO law. So answer ursef...what law support or against mouth action in marriage?
Everyone who will be judged by God law written in his Word... whether some tinz are morally right or wrong like not washing ur hand before meal, based on human culture and perception of right and wrong. Just as the Judge pronounces judgement based on the rule book or constitution of the law(whether it agrees with his emotional feeling or not)...a man can only be Judges spiritually but God through the rule book he has given us. Whether those things agrees with ur feelings or not does not hold water...the question is "did he broke God's law according to our rule book(the Bible)?
Bottom Line:.I have searched my rule book(the Bible) and I av not found anything that condemn a man or woman LAWFULLY married and have conjugal sex or pre-intimacy. Whether I like it or not does not hold water,my moral standing does not hold water likewise, only God's word does.
These are the tinz uninformed,unspiritual morally and culturally based religious (claiming to be Christian) teachers teach that make unbelievers believe that Christianity is just a religion of human reasoning because we av left our rule book and each church founders and pastors start creating their own standard of morally for the church...Just ask them where it was written...they will start telling u..."inspired by the holy ghost, revealed by an angel in a dream or start using Bible passages wrongly just to proof their ignorance the more". But some of us still stand to say"even if I don't like wat ur doing,even if I think it's wrong...even if I want u to stop it...but as long as the Bible is SILENT about it...I have not right to pronounce JUDGEMENT on the case"

Read
Colossians 2:18-23
[18]Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels, saying they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds have made them proud,
[19]and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it.
[20]You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as,
[21]“Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”?
[22]Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them.
[23]These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.

I REST MY CASE

MaxInDHouse:
No!
Jesus' real followers were intimidated to the core and by the end of the second century Christianity disappeared on planet earth only to reappear again in the year 1919!

Thanks!

Dear MaxinDHouse
U know ur church on several occasions has come with different predictions and also changed them themselves...from 1875 till 1965 wen ur elders decided to jettison anything prediction...
But I guess u don't read about ur church history,it's setbacks,claims and counterclaims...
Just a summary of "A BUILDING BUILT ON A FAULTY FOUNDATION"...
But don't let me go into that...if u talk anytin about 1919 again...I will make sure u proof it. 1919 my foot.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are petty! I clearly said that those answers are easily gleaned and have been over taught yet, we know that the parable still had more to give, which is what I was drawing attention to before you came attacking me.

I never attacked u...why should I?

Dtruthspeaker:
We know when a matter is complete like the Messiah's Coming. There is no reasonable doubt remaining anywhere to suggest that He Has not yet come.

But when a matter is incomplete and has holes in it, we also know it too, hence reasonable questions will be put forward.

An end to reasonable questions suggest that the issue is complete.

And as you see,carchoice or any person has no further reasonable question to put against me.

Addendum!

Based on your pic I would tell you the answer is: 6, 9, a or G

The answer can be more than 1 in my eyes, as long as it is True!

In the same vein...u av no questions to put against others two...all contributions like I said was in line...
U mentioned about Jesus coming...true...it is evident he has not come... because he told us alot about it...but NO ONE can say the exact date and time he is coming because he DID NOT reveal that to us...or CAN YOU?.
Here is the point...since Christ did not reveal the meaning of the parable...any morals day anyone points to based on their views and is in line with Jesus'previous teaching are also correct. You can also be correct...no one is disputing dat...just don't claim ur correct and others are wrong...
If u believe others are wrong...prove it,then u will hear me defend Dem and also point out ur own possible lapses...but for now...I won't do dat cos ur point can also be learnt from and also possibly valid

Dtruthspeaker:
You know you are talking shit right? Till tomorrow, if Frank Edoho or Daddy Freeze throws one of those riddles no one fore told us the meaning or the answer.



See yourself, you admit that Christ never explained it and by the due examination of the Bible, no "morals was revealed either"

The morals you got are from the people who are trying to open up the riddle.

And while you use morals I use lessons for I have seen that the moral view gives a limited view. Unlike the lesson view makes me see as wide as possible.



You are just being petty and childish! No where did I discard the views presented here, I only said that they are not complete and I have even gone as far as presenting the area I viewed the transaction from, so you really have no need to complain.

I won't join words with u...I hope the op and other have learned from comments (including yours) and can take home the lessons learned from the parable. Again NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO CLAIM TOTAL CORRECTNESS IN WHAT IS AS BROAD AS A PARABLE. Knowledge from different views and quarters must be heard,reasoned and the middle line must be towed in reaching a conclusion...in this depends on individuals decision

Carcholce:
Ahhh, that’s a new twist!

But I see what you are saying and it makes sense logically. And according to nature too.


This means the parable is according to nature, as a father is to his children.

Dear Carchoice
Please disregard the explanation of Dtruthspeaker for ur own sake...accept the lessons that u av bn given by others previously...it better for u that way...
Cos according to Dtruthspeaker...God don't really forgive and forget...he still imput our sin in us...and that negates the gospel and the salvation plan of God for lost souls...I won't like to dwell more on this.. but the truth u av.. hold on to it...don't let anyone by cunning means take dat away from u
Stay blessed

Kobojunkie:
What in the world are you rambling about for Pete's sake? The mention in my story of Sons of God or Angels should bear no weight since the Parable of the prodigal son is that, a parable or story or analogy told in order to pass a message or thought.

Take your "Sons of God or not" ramblings elsewhere abeg!

Man...u were the one who asserted that the first born in the parable were the angels...and it's a lie cos even so of the angels now demons had also falling and they were never sons of God but angels/messengers/servants of the most high. Read Hebrews 1:5
[5]For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus:
“You are my Son.
    Today I have become your Father.”God also said,
“I will be his Father,
    and he will be my Son.”

If they (Angels) were already sons...why would they not be able to lay claim to the sonship they already have?...

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet we play with idioms and riddles but when it comes to God's own, suddenly you become lazy minded. Anyway, it is your loss.

Your wrong to compare jesus' parable of the prodigal son to Idiom and riddles...in idioms...the meaning had already been explained by the tellers far back...in riddles...it is whether ur right or wrong...the answers also were already certain.
Jesus in his parable of the wheat and the Tares already explained the meaning...that meaning stands and its not negotiable...but in the case of the prodigal son...he never explained the meaning but reveal the morals of the parable that others av stated above.
If ur so sure of ur knowledge and u want to discard others views...and show that u av the Monopoly of it meaning on this forum than others...share that knowledge...let us analyse it's credibility. Simple and stop beating about the bush

MaxInDHouse:
The elder son's reaction is a lesson for true believers who thinks those that once backslided shouldn't be welcomed into God's family anymore.
No matter the degrading spiritual condition of our fellow believers we should always be ready to welcome them back into the family of faith!

Op
Please note this also.. this is a lesson too from the parable

Kobojunkie:
The statement in bold is not entirely accurate, this since after the fall of Adam, every son of man is born via God's curse - Genesis 3 vs 16a - which basically means they are detached from their inception from God.

The other son is a Son of God/Angel- one who was remained faithful and submitted to His father from his creation. He is not one of us ofcourse.

The real lesson of the Parable of the prodigal son is however is found in what Luke 15 vs 7 and Luke 15 vs 10

Dear Listeners
I have said it couple of times that the "sons of God" was never an adjective for Angels but the "righteous people at a particular point in time" e.g the descendants of Seth and Job and his colleagues...Angels are angels...simple. In Luke 3:38
[38]Kenan was the son of Enosh.Enosh was the son of Seth.Seth was the son of Adam.Adam was the son of God.

Adam was referred to as son of God.
Adam ate the fruit that created both good and evil in him,both righteous act (spirit nature) and sin(later called "man nature). The first child her gave birth to was Cain(evil and man nature) and then Abel(righteous and spirit nature). Abel died and Seth was born who also carried the righteous and spirit nature. The lineage of Seth were known to be "sons and daughters of righteousness/God" and Cain descendants were sinful and known to be "sons and daughters of the man nature".

Job 1:7-8
[7]“Where have you come from?” the lord asked Satan.Satan answered the lord, “I have been patrolling the earth, watching everything that’s going on.”
[8]Then the lord asked Satan, “Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man in all the earth. He is blameless—a man of complete integrity. He fears God and stays away from evil.”

Time will not permit me to talk on Job and his friend...they regularly offer sacrifices/present themselves before God regularly in service to God. The devil don't av access to the throne of God nah...even wen God ask him watched was doing in the midst of the sons of righteousness/God (Job and other righteous people at the time)...he said he was moving to and fro on earth(not heaven)...since d devil is not omnipresent like God...he came to look for fault as an accuser of brethren...but he could not found fault in their midst...dat was how d conversation between him and God started..."Can u notice Job?..."

Below history shows that in Judaism...sons of God means sons of righteousness till date...but after over a century...some other Jewish scholars start interpreting it as Angels...but that was only help as a school of thought then...but in recent time the Angelic interpretation has gain more ground that the righteous people interpretation except those who really know the history or etymology of the word in Judaism.
See below
Thank u

RoyalDiadems:
The parable is too loaded to be completely explained. Each explanation from each individual would only give you one side of the parable. But, consider the following points as you read through the parable:

1. The Father's Love for His children.

2. Man's freewill to choose between life and death.

3. The principle of asking and receiving.

4. The futility of worldly living.

5. The mark of true repentance. In spite of the great acceptance the produgal son received, he still said "Father, I'm not worthy..."

6. The Father's love for returning prodigals.

7. The danger of ignorance. The elder son owned everything but he never knew.

Dtruthspeaker, please add yours for the edification of the brethren.

Dear Carchoice
Alot of people above have provided great and wonderful answers...I will like u to pay more attention to those replies most especially this from RoyalDiadems...
Stop the rigmarole that Dtruthspeaker may want to drag u into... nobody can fully explain a parable that was not explained by the speaker himself...we can only learn and take a clue on the reasons for the parable. These reasons can be found in all the comments given by different people on this thread...gather it up and learn a lesson from them...simple.
Thank u

Olambees:
I beseech my Christ followers to please follow the teachings of Jesus (pbuh) rather than Paul.
When I compared what Paul taught, to what Jesus (pbuh) said, I found there were stark contrasts. Jesus (pbuh) said one thing, Paul said another, and so Christians do what Paul said.
I didn’t need to consult a translator, historian, theologian, or man-proclaimed expert to see that something was not right.
Let me give some thoughts to ponder upon.

HOW DO YOU GET SAVED?
I wish to be very clear about this. When Christians say's.......... No one is saved due to their own works. God’s people have an opportunity to be saved because of the blood of Jesus (pbuh) the Messiah. No one can have salvation on their own accord. No salvation can come just because you are a “good” person. After all, the Lord has already told us that no one is “good”.
However, that doesn’t erase that we still have to do what our Heavenly Father says.
People rely heavily on Paul’s proclamations that all that matters is your “belief” in Jesus (pbuh). That is, you just “believe”, and then you will be saved.
But is that what the Messiah taught, or is that a doctrine of men?

A man came up to Jesus (pbuh) and asked him what he needed to do to have eternal life. Jesus (pbuh) said “but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” The man asked him which commandments, and he said “Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
The man said that he has done all these things, and asked what he was missing. Jesus (pbuh) said, “If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.” The man left sad, because he was very rich. And Jesus (pbuh) said, “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” (Matthew 19:16-30)

Does that sound like the only thing you have to do is believe in Jesus (pbuh) in order to be saved? If you have been to a Christian church, you have heard it over and over-all you have to do is confess that Jesus is Lord and you will be saved.
But where did that come from? Did Jesus (pbuh)
say that? No, Paul did.

Romans 10:9
that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart
that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

That sure sounds very nice. The only thing I have to do is believe? That’s easy! But wait a minute, does Satan not also “believe” in the Lord?

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Obviously, there must be more to it than a mere “belief”. And we will explore that further.

But first, let’s find out, who is this man called Paul?

Dear Olambees
Really I don't like talking to people like u....ho don't read well the scriptures before concluding that the is fault.. u don't even seem to read at all...u just saw BELIEVE in those scriptural text and u start concluding that they say the same thing..
Let me pick ur error out for u in those verses u quoted...
Romans 10:9 and Romans 10:19 used believe in the name of the Lord...talking about trust and reliance
But James 2:19 is talking about a different kind of believe...which is believe THAT there is one God(because the demons themselves knows that der is one God...no doubt about that)...not believe (trust and reliance) IN that God.
A little analogy...
You can believe(trust and accept) THAT ur father is ur father is different the fact that u believe(trust) IN ur father's capacity to help u or be there for u even though u believe he is ur father...
I can believe u are my father but I don't but in my father's ability to help...
So,it's different

jesusjnr2020:
Amen.

Thanks for sharing.

U are wlc

jesusjnr2020:
Jesus said:

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Matthew 5:16

Dear jesusjnr2020
You really put a solid point up there...wonderful...just to chip me something small...
Today...we believers only teach but don't live the life...that's why to impart positively on unbelievers is next to impossibility...or hard.

In Acts of the Apostles 1:1
[1]In my first book I told you, Theophilus, about everything Jesus began to do and teach

Note...Jesus first began to do(live the life of the kingdom) then teach(impact the life of the kingdom)...but today we only speak not teach.

In Acts of the Apostles 11:24,26
[24]Barnabas was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and strong in faith. And many people were brought to the Lord.
[26]When he found him, he brought him back to Antioch. Both of them stayed there with the church for a full year, teaching large crowds of people. (It was at Antioch that the believers were first called Christians.)

In the above scriptures... Barnabas was full of the Holy Spirit and Faith...they(Barnabas and Paul) live the life of the spirit man and faith for full year and teaching (impacting the Holy spirit and faith life) on the people...the people saw the evidence of the life of Christ in them...they believe and confessed that the are people like Christ the av heard about "doing and teaching the kingdom life).

This is the Most effective and biblical way of preaching the kingdom to people.

This is a True and Worthy Saying...

Mikee19:
1) Again proverbs 8 IS NOT Jesus, but I'll show this better then

2) One more time, yes Jesus was less than the Father ON EARTH as the first passage you referenced! Anything other that is now authority (no more greatness over) but again you keep counting the authority one has over another (like a man with his wife) as the fact that he's greater. I have said that this isn't the same thing

It seems you're trying to make me answer this issue right now and are impatient with these continued responses. I have said it over and over again in this forum that that thread is coming! Don't worry I'll be MUCH more detailed there! That's the reason we're having this discussion over and over. I'll be perfectly detailed there, pls wait for it!

Again, it's not that I cannot respond more convincingly than this. I know these scriptures. I can address them even much better. pls wait

Smile...wat shows that one person is greater than the other is AUTHORITY that one exercise over the others...and we really do not differ except the fact that u said Jesus is only less than God wen he was a man...and I accept but I am saying he is still lesser since the salvation mission is not yet complete and Jesus in not yet Joined with the Father but still sitting at the Father's right hand...wen the mission is complete...he will be United and one and equal to the Father... simple
But I will wait for u thread...wen it's ready... mention me...if u have a solid point..who am I...I will sit and learn...but for now I will wait

Mikee19:
Oops, sorry. That usually feels terrible







I'll show why this isn't so



Actually sef we don't have much disagreement points, and much of that new thread wouldn't be for you. From what i can see it's just 1)creation of Jesus (really unscriptural) and 2) Authority over doesn't equal being greater than. All else is in order. But I'll quote you anyways. God bless you too

Smile...I understand u perfectly well and I was once like dat...and u not understanding my Creation point is a misinterpretation of my intention...that doesn't mean I underate Christ or depict his image...no...
1) Jesus said it himself in Proverbs 8 that he was FORMED (though he was living in God but his activeness has a beginning...just like man and his word but wen a man his born...he comes out and den he make sound(word)...but the fact is there was a man before his word though equality is there but we all agree that there cannot be a word without it source(man) ...so also there cannot be a son without a parent...there cannot be Son(Christ/Word) without the Father(yhwh).

2)Jesus himself said in John 14 that the Father is greater than the son...
Please can u explain what Jesus meant in the two passages

Matthew 24:36
[36]“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or THE SON HIMSELF. ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS.

And
Matthew 20:23
[23]Jesus told them, “You will indeed drink from my bitter cup. But I HAVE NO RIGHT to say who will sit on my right or my left. My Father has prepared those places for the ones he has chosen.”

Mikee19:
immaculatesense although I'm trying very hard to not derail this thread since I'll still create that thread, I'll just point out two errors here:

Let's say there are two persons, one holding a gold wristwatch and another just looking at the same gold wristwatch. Both do not consider that wristwatch "something to be grasped" despite the fact that one is already holding on to it and the second is just looking at it in his front. Here's what this means for both parties:

The first person who doesn't consider the wristwatch "something to be grasped", but who somehow was already holding on to it at first (without thinking), can easily let go of it. It's not that important to him. He can just let it go as despite holding it in the first place he doesn't consider it "something to be grasped"

The second person who is just staring at it without yet holding it may never decide to hold it at all since he doesn't consider it "something to be grasped"! In fact he may even mistakenly touch it without knowing. But once he realizes he's touching it, what he doesn't consider "something to be grasped", he can again readily let go of it.

What am I driving at?

You're using that scripture to show Jesus was never equal to God. It DOES NOT say so at all!

All it says is just that he didn't consider equality with God "something to be grasped"!

Now he may or may not have been equal with God before this, but the scripture is silent on it as it isn't its point. The point is simply what Jesus thought about equality with God, not whether he was equal with God or not. He didn't think it was something important enough "to be grasped"!

Now if he was already equal with God at this time, him not considering equality with God as "something to be grasped" simply would mean that it meant nothing to him, and he could readily let it go! Again, "considering" means "thinking", and that scripture began by admonishing that you have the same "mind" or mindset that Jesus had! It's all about mindset, what Jesus mindset about equality with God was, not whether he was at the time equal with God or not! His mindset was that "this isn't something important enough to be grasped". If he was equal with God and then had this mindset, it just means he can let it go without thinking about it!

On the contrary if he was not equal with God, it'll mean that he wouldn't want to by force BECOME equal with God.

One more time, this scripture is only talking about Christ's mindset, not whether he was equal with God or not! Which is why it is translated differently depending on the bias of the translator:

Phi 2:6 NWT who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.

Phil 2:6 CEV Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

So you see it proves nothing, but merely confirms the bias a person already has.

Secondly, I think you may be conflating authority over a person with greatness
over them. A man has authority over his wife and she is to submit to him. A man, however, IS NOT greater than his wife! They are equal before God as BEINGS! This is also the relationship the Bible uses in describing God the Father and Christ. Christ submits to the Father's authority, but it's co-equal with him as BEINGS

Lastly, Jesus wasn't mentioned in that proverbs 8 passage. You know that passage refers to "wisdom", even using a female noun form "she calls out" (read the entire thing). Plus the book itself is called "proverbs" = "figure of speech"! But i will show much more thoroughly in my thread at the time that CANNOT represent Jesus!

Dear Mikee19
I mistakenly close tab and I av written alot down on ur mention but it's all gone...I can restart I av gone far and I can't be rewriting and it hurts...but u still av alot to learn on how to relate scriptures especially the old testament to the new and how to find Christ in the Old testament...
But the bottom line is Jesus is the Wisdom of God according to 1 Corinthians 1:24
[24]But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the WISDOM of God.

2) It hurts i my hand had to quit paid...I wrote extensively...

Christ was God...he let go of that privilege to save mankind (word became flesh) since u can't separate man from his word...the word of man is the man and enjoy every privilege with the man...so,Christ enjoy that privilege in God of being equated to God...but he had to let go instead of clinging to it. Now that the salvation mission is halfway done...he is sitting (waiting) at the right hand of God(is he still not equal with God as of now since the mission is still ongoing) Matthew 22:44
[44]‘The lord said to my Lord,
Sit in the place of honor at my right hand
    until I humble your enemies beneath your feet.’

When the salvation mission his over and the Judgement has bn passed on mankind (those who refused the salvation of God) that is when 1 Corinthians 15:28 will be fulfilled and Christ will return to being in his initial position of being equal with God.
That was why Jesus told his disciples that one that great day...they will ask no questions because they will know that he is in the Father.

Just quote me wen u create that new thread
God bless you sir

Mikee19:
It is the truth as far as you know, and you don't know it all. Be humble in what you know. You have only seen arguments from jw doctrine and from others who cannot properly teach what God's word says about it. But like I said i have a thread coming soon..

I will show why some scriptures you've used are improperly used. Then you will see it is really you saying this, not those scriptures. I'll do so in that thread

Dear Mikee19
I will be happy wen u create the thread...please Mention me wen u create the thread...thank u...
I don't do denomination...and I don't compare and contrast doctrine...if I don't like a denomination...dat doesn't mean if dey say some thing that I right I shud negate because I don't like Dem...u av seen me counter Dem on most issues...and on the Trinity...they are not total right and not totally wrong...the Pentecostal also are not totally wrong and not totally right...I also showed u from the scriptures...how it is and how it should be taught.
You said humility... humility cannot be shown in words or action... humility is a result of the heart...that is where Pride and Humility reside and it is only God that knows...av u ever wondered why Pride and Humility was never listed as part of the Fruits of the flesh and spirit respectively...?

Dtruthspeaker:
An issue ends when you run to a fresh issue.

Which is why I said raise a new thread if you think you have a valid claim. We would put it down one issue at a time. No new issues, no departure from issue, no invalid arguments, no twistings and bendings and unlawful colourations, no Lies and of course no fallacies.

I don't really like creating thread...I rather I comment...maybe u can mention me on a thread...maybe

Dtruthspeaker:
You did not need to! IT WAS NOT THE ISSUE OF THE DEBATE. Learn to Stick to the issue of the debate without deviation and departures. That's how debates work

Open a fresh thread on any issue you wish to debate with me. That's how it works!

Lol...I know u would wanna run...u didn't tie all the loose ends in ur comment...
Did we receive the holy spirit at Creation or at Salvation?

But u don't need to answer cos any answer u give will contradict one of ur stand or comment u just made...so don't answer...I will save u dat...but please I beseech u to take not of the glitches I mentioned...that's all

Dtruthspeaker:
The spirit of your words says kobojunkie must change by fire and by force. See it

"It is our duty and Joy to keep teaching and praying for them...no soul MUST be lost...even Paul can be saved...him and many more others will come to the light of the truth...WE DONT GIVE UP

Lol...the MUST I used was more of Faith rather than Force...I believewith God all things are possible...not only for Kobojunkie but for all...I love everyone and if it's is possible for me...I would want everyone to be a partaker of the life to come...but who am I...I can only wish and do the best I can both in teaching and in prayer.
Stay alert

Dtruthspeaker:
There is no Re-argument after a debate is concluded! It's Res judicata!

Lol...I gat u...but I understand...
U are great bro...I love u brother

Dtruthspeaker:
See, another CHANGE OF POST all because you want to avoid The Truth I have laid before you.

The question was "Which Spirit does God have, that He would give, when He gives? Is it an Unholy one?" Now you have Changed it to "WHY The Holy Spirit was given" which no one asked!

You do not have any valid way to go!

I only explained the fall of man to u and wat led to his corruption...that av an adverse consequence on his spirit...
Or
What do u think is the Consequence of the fall of man in Genesis 3 to his spirit?
Lol...pls take heed to my advice...u may disclaim it on this forum and I accept for reasons best known to u...but wen it's u alone...work on them and u see a better u

Dtruthspeaker:
See, another CHANGE OF POST all because you want to avoid The Truth I have laid before you.

The question was "Which Spirit does God have, that He would give, when He gives? Is it an Unholy one?" Now you have Changed it to "WHY The Holy Spirit was given" which no one asked!

You do not have any valid way to go!

Lol...I was only telling u wat happened after the fall of man that corrupted his holiness and sanctity of his sport
Or
What do u think is the Consequence of the fall of man in Genesis 3 to his spirit?

Be true to urself...u don't av to admit it...but go and reread our chat and think deeply about it with the scriptures beside u

Dtruthspeaker:
See, now you are twisting it the other way round and bending it again into the lie you wish to hold, when the issue here was simply because I clearly said "Holy God gives Holy Spirit and therefore man had the Holy Spirit when he was created" which you disputed until I showed Mathew 7:17/18.

No fraud escapes me.

Clearly you see the lies you have been taught do not stand, so you are scrambling all over the place to make it stand and I don't want to do so because TRUTH IS STABLE AND COMPLETE.

This debate has long since been over. God is pure and all who want to be with Him must be pure. That is The Law. Holy and unholy can never ever be put together.

Lol...u just keep making me laugh as u contradict urself...
Now u said...every man created have the holy spirit at creation...lol...that means every man is holy den since u urself said man has to be holy to have the holy spirit...lol
If man had received the holy spirit at creation...it means we are already holy from creation...why do we still avto pray for the holy spirit since we already av it from creation?...
Lol...
Sincerely, Dtruthspeaker...go on work on the glitches I spelt out...dis is a faceless forum...so,it's not as though there is more to that...

Dtruthspeaker:
That I will not do for it is easier to force a horse to drink than to get an adult to change his ways exactly, as the Bible tried and it did not work. The Lord Himself tried and yet men refused to listen.

Lol...u make me laugh...force?...hell No...
I said Teaching and Prayer...

Dtruthspeaker:
..

Which Spirit does God have, that He would give, when He gives? Is it an Unholy one?

Can a Mango give bitter kola? Mathew 7:17-18

It is just plain simple common sense!

Ohhh...I now know where the problem lies...u don't know why the holy spirit was given...let me tell u sometin small Sha...cos of time...
Wen God breath into man and he became a living spirit...he was right with God until the devil came with dceit...then the spirit of man that knows only good now knows evil and with time the evil became more prominent.
Genesis 6:5
[5]The lord observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil.

So,the spirit of man was corrupted...so,wen a man believe and receive the Holy spirit...the Holy spirit arrest the spirit of man and take charge. That's why the Bible says "as many as a led by the Spirit of God(Holy spirit),they are the sons and daughters of God"
Romans 8:14
[14]For all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God.

You can see that the spirit comes first to make us right with God(holy) and not that we are already right with God before we have the Holy spirit.

That is why I quote more scriptures on any statement I want to make...cos by the grace of God (aside Polygamy) there is no topic I don't know every passages of the scriptures that talks about that topic...before I make a conclusion...I must av compared all passages leaving no stone unturned...incsae some ask a question...I will be caught unprepared.

Dear Dtruthspeaker...these are the little glitches I noticed in ur interpretation TECHNIQUE...If u can make little adjusted on these areas...u are good to go.
God bless u