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MaxInDHouse:
Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, did not even consider the idea of trying to be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human. More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake. For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground— and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus is the God's only begotten Son the only being directly created by God so if all other intelligent beings (human/angel) are created in God's image {Genesis 1:26} Jesus is the first grade of them all but he surrendered himself to live with humans like our equal claiming son of man {Matthew 20:28} he did all of that to help mankind regain their lost glory as God's image {Romans 3:23} and surrendered his human life as a ransom sacrifice so that obedient mankind can have everlasting life has God purposed in the beginning all these he did to the glory of his God and father! John 20:17

You are correct sir. I do not disagree with you. And that is a good explanation of that verse. Like I explained earlier the word 'elohim' means god/divinity/deity. Jesus is divine/deity/god. This does not imply that he is equal to god who is the Father of all. He himself said that 'I go to my Father and your father, to my God and your God". Jesus is above all and only the Father is above him.
But let me note something, in the original Greek 'form' is not there as you used it. In the original it puts it as "being 'theos'', which is 'being god or deity or divine'. So, please, if you are not safe with calling Jesus god, don't alter the verse, since 'theos'' also means deity or divine', you can replace it with 'being divine.'
You can rephrase the passage like this to be safe sir.
Philippians 2:6-7
[6]Though he was God/Divine,
    he did not think of equality with God/Divinity
    as something to cling to.
[7]Instead, he gave up his divine/god privileges;
    he took the humble position of a slave
    and was born as a human being.
When he appeared in human form,
  
It means Jesus for the sake of salvation left his divinity and did not hold tightly to his divinity but took on the form of man which is an humble act.
Jesus is god who is subject to the Father who is above all and he is the one true god.
 Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Being with God from the beginning does not and will never make Jesus equal to God!

Anyone could have gotten that privilege as the firstborn of all creations! Colossians 1:15-16
Your own senior brother who is the first born of your parents may have some privileges more than you do because he has being with your parents before you that does not make him equal to either your dad or mum!

Maxim. I was careful with my choice of words like Paul in Corinthians 15. Jesus is not EQUAL TO GOD. Equal to means you can replace if stand in. But he is EQUAL WITH GOD. Equal with God means God has exalted him and given him a name that is above all names and all nations are to worship and serve him and only The Father who is the One True God is above him. I don't think you disagree with that sir.
Thanks.

cornelboy:
"Jesus is God" is an ambiguous phrase. I would rather say Jesus is a God. While the Father Jehovah is the GOD.

According to 1 Corinthians 8:5,6 and Deuteronomy 6:4, God is just one person, the Father. Nothing else.

If you are asked who's the true God, what would be your answer?

I respect and understand your point sir. Whether you put 'a' of not, we both agree that Jesus is divine which the words 'elohim' and 'theos' (god) stand for. Also, we both agree that the Father is the Only One True God and He is greater than Jesus who is his son and Messiah.
If we all can agree on this, I believe the argument of the deity or divinity of Jesus is settle and the argument of the Father being his superior and his God as Jesus himself confess is simple. Let's put it this way so we can all agree.
JESUS IS GREATER AND GOD TO ALL OTHER CREATURE AND THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN ALL CREATION INCLUDING JESUS AND THE SUPREME GOD OVER ALL WHOM JESUS HIMSELF IS SUBJECT TO IN ALL THINGS.
Thanks.

gohf:
You may have made a mistake in this post, as you wanted to write like you previously did that Jesus is equal to God but not equal to the Father, but both statements are incorrect and are not God's word. Jesus is neither equal with God not with God as there is only one God who is our Father, YHVH.

The OP asked a rhetorical question of which he answered a capital NO. Between you and I who do you think derail the original purpose of the thread? With your own deviating answers?!

You are insisting on what you are saying without neither understanding the post nor scripture. Have you not also deviated from scripture as well?

Good. Now I understand ur view cos I have been lost. Didn't know ur standpoint until now.
You said Jesus was not equal with God. Let start with that. I hope before you give an answer you must have considered different passages of scriptures. Though you gave a distorted explanation of John 1, but let's see your interpretation on being equal with God using Philippians 2:5-11. Pls explain the passage to us.
Thanks

gohf:
You either believe God who revealed that He is the only true God or believe Jesus the son of God who revealed that God our Father is the only true God.

Now about John 1:1
The word from God is a revelation of God.

If the word logos is speech and spoken. So in the beginning was the utterance, and that utterance was according to God, the accusative noun, referring to the one who brought about the word. In the Greek text the nominative noun changes from the word to God. John writee theos en ho logos.

A nominative noun is the subject of conversation.

If the subject we are talking about is God, then John is saying theos en ho logos. Is to answer what was revealed from the beginning. If one is talking about a word, you would have to ask, what is he word about, who spoke the word, when was it spoken. And John answers that. In the beginning it was spoken, it was God who spoken the word and the word was about God.

Theos being nominative suggests that the word belongs to God and is from God so instead of saying the word was God, we should simply say the word is God's or God's word for it is from Him and about Him.

If not you confuse yourself by suggesting that John Hebrew who believe in one God was saying that God was God and was with Himself and He became flesh and dwelt among men and came to reveal Himself to men but this contradicts the very word of God that reveals God the one true God who is above all and sent forth His word. And like verse 14 records, the revelation became flesh and dwelt among men

Sir, with all due respect, you know this is not true. The passage was clear. That passage like any other passages show the divinity of Jesus before his earthly birth. Jesus was with the Father at creation before the creation itself began. I have made my points, it is not to convince you but to share my thoughts. You have shared yours and u are well respected and celebrated. Thanks.

gohf:
if you understood my response would you be repeating the question?

You have successfully derailed this platform from its original purpose. Let's go back to the thread cos I don't like vague discussion.
The op asked three questions and I provided answers. Let's see any of my answer you disagree with and let's know ur viewpoint, because currently I am not sure what ur stand is.
OPS QUESTIONS
1. Is Jesus God?
2. Is Jesus equal to the Father?
3. Is the Trinity doctrine scriptural?

MY ANSWERS
1. Jesus is god (elohim/theos), but Jesus is not the Father.
2. Jesus is equal with the Father but no equal to the Father as the Father as exalted him to be in charge of his creation and to sit with him on his throne (equal with the Father) but he is subject to the Father and his will is subject to the will of the Father and the Father is above him (not equal to the Father).
3. The Trinity message is scriptural only to Salvation as the Father (1) sent the son (2) and the Father through the son sent the holy spirit (3) who together united in purpose help mankind to achieve or attain the salvation of God. But the Father is Supreme Over the son as the son is supreme over the spirit. The three are united in purpose but distinct in authority and roles.

Those are my points and I supported them with scriptures in my first response to the op. If you have any issues with any of the above, be specific, let's not derail the thread on a side topics. Thanks.

gohf:
there are two translations of psalm 8:5, the Septuagint which is the Greek translation of the Hebrew text which was popular at that time and the Masoretic text, which has the term me-elohim. So it isn't about the author of Hebrew correctly the scripture but teaching based on what they themselves have been taught. For example the author places the altar of incense at the most holy place instead of the holy place

Though the question was not directed to you but I respect your input. But you did not anstmy question? Was 'elohim' in Psalm 8:5 the same as 'angelos' in Hebrews? I believe it's a straight forward question.

gohf:
I don't think we should be taking Jacobs account as a consideration of one who actually saw the face of God, infact that angel is said to be called Peniel, face of God doesn't mean the angel is God's face does it?

No man has seen God because there is only one God to see, even Moses's face was covered when God descended with only his back visible.

This term divinity should only be understood as the holiness of God and not like a chieftaincy title that is acquired. Other religions claims diverse forms of divinity thereby diverse gods, but there is only one God therefore His holiness set apart from the rest which are false gods.

Sir, why all this back and forth? If you dispel Jacob, can you also dispel Manoah and his wife in Judges 13:22 or Abraham in Genesis 18:16-33?
You mentioned Moses. Let me ask you. Do you believe Moses saw the back of the Father? Because if you see my back, you have seen me. And Jesus said 'No man has seen the Father AT ANY TIME except the son who comes from the Father.' The Father never comes to the realm of men, he only send his messengera in his name to act in his stead before the sons of men. Moses only said the fullness of the Father's glory revealed in the angelic glory of the angels whom the Father has put in charge of the Israelite. Moses never saw the Father. Not him, not any before nor after him till date. Not even Stephen in his vision nor John of Patmos in his revelation.

gohf:
That's why I wrote on that thread the term and usage of Elohim needs to be properly understood.

When you say 1. The elohim was a general Hebrew term to reference divinity we also need to understand it was used to specifically teach that there is only one true Divine while the rest were false.

And we know that some of God's sons fell and started playing God on the earth. Now we have to consider that the very first commandment and decree from God is to denounce any other God. You shall have no other god/elohim besides me. Of which is became blasphemy and idolatry to consider anyone or anything God or Divine asides from God Almighty YHVH.

There also no where in scripture where God ascribes divinity to His word, either directly nor through His prophets. Nor does He in anyway suggest that His word is God even when He promises to send the Messiah.

Jesus is king anointed by God and made so by God, he was never anointed nor appointed a god nor a divine

Okay sir. Can you explain in your own way- John 1:1. I am listening since you claim that the word of god (theos) is not god (theos). I am waiting. Because I have explained how Jesus is god but not the Father but you said no. Explain John 1:1 in your own way. I am listening.

gohf:
el also means strength or leader, it doesn't make every strong leader a god but they may claim to be in the eyes of people. Psalm 82 isn't the acknowledge of gods which the Torah rejects, but with correct interpretation and understanding we see that these were self elevated beings who were going to be brought low like Lucifer.

Angels were only one time or two referred to as elohim, and usually with the term benelohim to show their submission to the one true Elohim. We see in the book of revelation that they refer to themselves as servants of Elohim and not elohim.

So, if you know me, you will know I rarely talk and I don't like back and forth. I have Hebrew and Greek scriptures. I don't like picking errors, but I rather ask questions. According to your rebuttal in your first paragraph, just two quick questions. (1) Verse 1. Why were the 'gods' called an 'heavenly court' if they are not heavenly beings? (2) Verse 6. Why were the 'gods' referred to as the 'chikdren of the Most High' if they were not heavenly beings?
On your second paragraph. It is true that angels do not refer to themselves as 'elohim' except in the case of Moses, but that aside. If that is your point, it can be used against you by those who do not believe that Jesus is God. Because Jesus never referred to himself as 'theos"- god. Not even 'son of god". He humbling calls himself 'the son of man' and messenger of god.
John 17:3
[3]And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.
But we know that he is god (divine/deity).
Thanks.

gohf:
Your number 1 & 2 is suggesting that the Father and God are not the same person, but two different persons. Is that what you believe?

Your "last paragraph" reminds me of my post in https://www.nairaland.com/8337768/term-elohim

About the elohim, and I understand your response is saying Jesus is an elohim, but when we understand scripture we realize that angels are mainly called messengers so as to different them from those beings trying to play God and deceive men. So to say Jesus is not the Elohim but an elohim is associate him with the other references which were related to false gods that God will judge.

I respect your view sir. In my explanation I have proven three things. (1) The word 'elohim' god was a general word for 'divinity' at the time. You can agree with me on the basis of Jacob and Manoah that I quoted. (2) I showed from scriptures that Jesus was divine even before his birth and has been with the Father even before the foundation of the word- John 17:5. He is god (elohim/divine/deity). (3) That the Father is supreme and superior to the son- Jesus. That Jesus himself showed that he is subject to the Father in all things. He called the Father his God and derived his authority from his father- John 20:17.
Conclusion: Jesus is god and above all, except the Father who is above Jesus and above all.- I Corinthians 15:27-28
That is the position of the scriptures. I am Pentecostal and I am loyal to the scriptures and not denomination.

MaxInDHouse:
That makes all angels gods too.

Do you agree?

Yes, I do, since they are 'divine' that makes them 'god' (elohim). According to Psalm 82:1
‭Psalms 82:1 NIV‬
[1] God (elohim-) presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods” (elohim):

I interprete this passage as "the Father (elohim) god presides in the great assembly, he renders judgement among the angels (refer to by the psalmist as gods (elohim) just like in Psalms 8:5. I believe this is somehow relatable with Job 1:6 and Job 2:1. I believe in both passages, the scriptures refers to the heavenly assembly or court as an assembly of angels or heavenly beings who have been sent by the Father to lead and guide the affairs of men. They give report and account to the Father on how they manage the affairs of men. I think along the line, the issue of idolatry has it stem from men's encounters with this heavenly beings overtime. So, yes. Angels were referred to across scriptures as 'elohim' which means god.

MaxInDHouse:
Both are saying the same thing.

Angels are spirit creatures so they are closely related to God who is also a spirit than humans!

Good. You are correct sir. I believe you have at least some knowledge of Hebrew language. The Hebrew word-'elohim' means god, divine, deity, or supernatural. They use the same word for angels as in the case of Jacob who said he fought against god (elohim-) and prevail but we know that he fought not against the Father but angel, as no man can fight against the Father and win. Also in the case of Manoah and his wife, they saw an angel and they said they would die because they have seen god, but we know that wat they saw was an angel and not the Father.
Maxim. Do you believe in the divinity of Jesus before he was born? I mean do you believe that he has been in existence before his birth or that his life began at his birth?
If you do, in which I know you do. Why don't you then agree with me that Jesus is god (elohim, deity, and divine) from the standpoint that the word 'elohim' is use for divinity, but he is not the Father- the supreme god over all other god and that only the Father is superior to him and Jesus is in turn superior to all other creature in heaven and on earth.

MaxInDHouse:
Religions brainwashing!

Jesus is not the same as God neither is he equal to God, those are false religious doctrines!

Smile. I respect your taught but you need to broading your view. I don't hold a doctrinal point of any church, I stand on the scriptures even if it opposes the standpoint of my church. I am loyal to the scriptures and not to denomination because of you are loyal to a denomination, your view will be influenced and you will not be objective in your view. My close associates are jw and they know me, I respect their view but when I talk they know I speak to issues objectively. You AV read my comments before some years back, I just stayed away for personal development.
Maxim, let me ask you a simple question that will confuse you.
Explain the difference between these two verses of the same origin and meaning, but different in just one word.
Psalm 8:5 and Hebrews 2:7
Psalms 8:5
[5]Yet you made them only a little lower than God (elohim)
    and crowned them with glory and honor.

Hebrews 2:7
[7]Yet you made them only a little lower than the angels (angelos)
    and crowned them with glory and honor.

You know I don't like back and forth, tell me why the psalmist used (god)- elohim-, and the writer of Hebrews while making reference to the psalmist changed it to (angels)- angelos. Does it mean that the psalmist and the writer of Hebrews viewed angels as 'elohim' (god) or the writer of Hebrews was trying to correct the psalmist? I will go with the first. Let's hear ur own view on this two same but distinct verses.

cornelboy:
Just like Pharaoh king of Egypt gave Joseph authority to rule Egypt, is the same way God, the Father gave authority to his son Jesus.

Mat 28:18 NIV
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Gen 41:39-44 (Joseph/Pharaoh story)

Does Jesus having all the authority in heaven and on earth mean he has same authority with God?
Study Paul's inspired words carefully in the scripture below;

1 Cor 15 NIV
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Pharaoh was greater than Joseph the same way God is greater than Jesus.

Is Jesus same as God?
Is Jesus equal to God?
Is the Trinity doctrine scriptural?

The answer is capital NO!

Sir, I respect your view and I have the same view too. But let me help you to create a balance. Your view is correct but not complete. Let me answer or rephrase your thoughts one after another.
1. Is Jesus same as God? The answer is YES. But is Jesus same as the Father? The answer is NO. I will clarify this in my last paragraph.
2. Is Jesus equal to God? The answer is YES. But is Jesus equal to the Father? The answer is NO. He was only equal 'with' not 'to' the Father. I will also clarify this in my last paragraph.
3. Is the Trinity doctrine scriptural? The answer is YES. But has the Trinity doctrine been rightly taught the way the scriptures viewed it by most denomination? The answer is NO.

MY LAST PARAGRAPH
The word 'god'-'elohim' (note that there is not capital letters in Hebrew and Greek) is a plural word that is used for anyone divine or special. Angels were known as 'god' in the biblical period. Study the story of Jacob wrestling with god (angel) Genesis 32:30. Remember Manoah and his wife saw an angel and the said they saw 'god'- Judges 13:22. There are numerous examples of angels been regarded as God all across the scriptures but those two examples are clear enough for that.
Men were also called god. Remember that even the Father through his angel called Moses god (elohim) unto pharaoh and Aaron his prophet- Exodus 7:1. Abraham was called 'god' (elohim) by the Canaanites, even though some versions changed it to 'mighty' and some 'prince' but the original Hebrew word was 'elohim.'- Genesis 23:6. In Psalms the writer clearly stated that 'elohim sits on his throne in the heavenly court and judges among the elohim- Psalm 82:1.
Jesus is god (elohim-) because he is divine/deity but he is not the Father- the one and only god who alone is above all. Jesus is below him but superior to all other god.
In the true Bible teaching of the Trinity, just like the word Bible is not in the scriptures, the word Trinity is not in the scriptures but the Father who alone is supreme and above all sent his son Jesus on a salvation mission (John 3:16-18) and after fulfilling the mission the Father through Jesus sent the holy spirit to guide and lead men into all truth (John 16:13-15). These three, united in purpose but distinct in authority as the Father is above the son and the son is above the spirit play their roles in the salvation of mankind. This is how the Trinity should be taught and not to make the three equal in authority as that is not true, but they are one and united in purpose.
Jesus is not equal to the Father. That should not even be a debate at all. Jesus himself declared severally that "My Father is greater than I am." And severally he always makes it known that he is subject to the Father's will and that the Father is his God- John 20:17. The son came from the Father but the Father came from no one. The son is god (deity/divine/worthy of worship) but the Father is god over all (deity/divine/worthy of worship).
Thanks you so much. I hope you will just include this in your view which is correct but not complete. Peace.

SeraphicWind:
Luke 15:7

"I tell you, in the same way there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who have no need of repentance."

I repeat; Not one soul should be lost to the devil no matter their disposition to their sinful nature.

It is not them at work. It is the bad spirit inside them.

The attention of the Church should be focused on that spirit at work in them.

Most times, those spirits binds strongly onto them and makes them think what they are doing is acceptable before God.

I respect your compassion and you love, but we can't be more compassionate than our Savior and Lord. Remember even Jesus said he had kept all his disciples except the son of perdition (Judas). The power of salvation is not in the church, the power of salvation is in Christ. The duty of the church is not only to add more sheep to the flock but as we add sheep to the flock we must beware of wolves in sheep's clothing who sneak in unaware to influence and devour the sheep.
My statement was clear and I don't think you disagree with dat. If a homosexual comes to church with the knowledge that he is a helpless sinner who needs the saviors help to be delivered from such sin, he should be welcomed, helped and treated with love by the church, that is the church's responsibility to help save sinners from the pit of hell into the kingdom of our Lord and his christ. The same goes for all other addictions. But if the homosexual comes with a different mindset which can pollute the church, it is the duty of the church to excommunicate and deter such person from the congregation. This is also the duty of the church to help protect the sheep from getting devour by wolves in sheep's clothing. We shouldn't focus on a duty and neglect the other, that has done more damage than good to the body of Christ over the years. It is interesting if you to thing about such people who had been saved by welcoming them into the church, but don't also forget to look at the millions of people who had been corrupted by such lifestyle because the church welcomed them into the church. In a bid of winning souls, we shouldn't also be losing souls. When you compare the number of those of them saved to those who had been corrupted to join them, you will know that the church is at a very big disadvantage. Read the verses I quoted earlier in my first mention critically.
Thanks.

Btruth:
Faith equals righteousness with God

Sun, 16 Feb 2025

‘Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”’ Galatians 3:6

Some might think of Abraham as having a halo around his head. Hardly. Not once, but twice he throws his wife under the bus. As they travelled through Egypt, Abram says to Sarai, ‘You’re a beautiful woman; I’m afraid the Egyptians will want to kill me so someone can have you for a wife, so let’s tell them you’re my sister’ (see Genesis 12:11-13). Pharaoh does take Sarai into his harem and gives Abram, her ‘brother’, a bunch of sheep, cattle, donkeys, servants, and camels. Rather than feeling guilty and coming clean, Abram simply says, ‘Thank you very much.’

And if you think that’s bad, when Abraham and Sarah (previously known as Sarai—see Genesis 17:15) are in the Negev later on, recorded in Genesis 20, he does the whole ‘she’s my sister’ routine a second time. Why doesn’t God just give up on him? Because Abraham doesn’t give up on God! Abraham eventually reached the place in his walk with God where his biography reads: ‘Who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform’ (Romans 4:18-21 NKJV). Note the words ‘strengthened in faith’. God’s plan is not to discard you, but to develop your faith and use you to bring glory to His name.

Sir, I respect your views and you made good points. But you didn't put three things into consideration.
1. Who was Paul speaking to in the letters to the Galatians and Romans?
2. What was the works Paul was preaching against in both passages?
3. Which other apostle explained the quoted passage Paul quoted which was Genesis 15:6 and why?
Answers:
1. Paul was speaking to Gentile believers who lived in the province of Galatia and Rome.
2. The "works' refers to the 'obedience to the law of Moses.' It does not mean a believer can live anyhow. It only means a believer does not need to keep the Mosaic law to be made right with God, because some so called apostles had preached that amongst the brethren which troubled their minds. Acts 15; Galatians 3:1-2; Romans 4:9-13.
3. James spoke against the misinterpretation of Paul's message to the Romans especially the misinterpretation of chapter 4 like people do today. James was not against Paul but was only setting the matter straight in James 2:14-26. James was trying to clarify that faith in God does not and cannot equal with the mental awareness that God is one, Jesus is the son of God and Jesus died and resurrected on the third day for my sin. James dispelled that by making reference to the demons believing in all this thing but does it equal to them being saved because they believe. James also proved that Abraham faith was shown through his obedience to God and keeping the instructions of God. So, a Christian shows his faith not with lips, but by doing the will of God. Matthew 7:21-23.
You will believe with me that Paul will not support a Christian living a life of sin. 1 Corinthians 5:1-7. Do not be deceived, he that does what is right is righteous. You can only do what is right when you believe in God who judges all men. So, works as used by Paul should not be misinterpreted as 'doing good.' as doing good as part of the lifestyle of a believer. And faith as used by Paul should not be misinterpreted as a mental awareness but as a strong belief in God's character and instruction which must be mirrored in the life of a believer.
Thanks and God bless you.

SeraphicWind:
Hello Sir, I don't think I am spreading a false narrative. I have seen churches in Nigeria send homosexuals away especially the protestant churches. You can even search online. You may see pastor doing this.

As recent as last year, there was a great hullabaloo when the Catholic Pope mandated catholic priests to bless homosexuals. What can you say about this?

Sir, I respect the fact that you want to be civil. But it is impossible to please men and look good at the expense of God's irrevocable standard.
My submission:
On homosexuals. Everyone deserves salvation and God's desire is that all men be save. So, if a man who is addicted to sleeping with a man and realizes that his actions are wrong but finds it difficult to help himself no matter how long he tried. If such a person comes to church with the hold of freedom through Christ from that addiction like any other addiction, such a man should not be crucified but assisted by the church to win the war over that sin. John 8:1-11. Pay attention to verse 10 but don't neglect verse 11.
But this is where the word of God should be carefully divided. In case the homosexual comes to church to fellowship with the belief that he is doing nothing wrong claiming that was how he was created or believing that Christ had paid it all and thus he can live anyhow. Such a man should be excommunicated from the church or fellowship. A little yeast leavens the whole lump and that is the standard of scriptures. 1 Corinthians 5:1-7.
You may disagree, I respect your view and I have made mine in a polite way.
God bless you.

Polchiz:
Why are deceiving yourself?
How on earth do you expect Yahaya Bello to win APC primary?
Obi has won this election if things continue like this. Take that to the bank.

Okay sir or madam...like I said...wetin I know about politics except say no be now winner dey show...na after counting of ballots.
Like I said...wetin small boi like me know about politics...
Sorry dat I trespassed

Jameskyrian:
Obviously, you dont know politics as you stated.... Did the so called crowd of Yahaya bello vote at the primaries?

So what are you saying?

Few carefully selected Delegates voted according to the highest bidder..

So, can you now go back to sleep and allow frustrating youths of Nigeria take back their country?
Thanks

Like I said...wat do I even know about politics...my apologies

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Smile...this reminds me of Yahaya Bello before the APC primary election...he later came a distant 5th...
I am not into politics and I don't even know wat am doing in the politics section...I pray the man after God's own heart wins either, Obi,Atiku or Tinubu...
My point is just that popularity of all candidates will be known on the day of election.
If Yahaya Bello could come a distant 5th in an ordinary primary...my brother...I SHOCK

Janosky:
Immaculate LYING & deceiving 3 gullible mumu on 18th June,2022 (screenshots evidences).
@ Philippians 2:6, is "Although he was God" in that verse?
NEVER !
The forgery of your Trinity mentors is not holy scriptures.
Correct rendition: "Although he was in the form of God".

Immaculate 2nd Lie:
ImmaculateSense, Did Jesus Christ or John 14:28 & John 20:17 claim equality with God his Father?
NEVER !

3rd Lie..
The man claimed Jesus lived inside God.
Lazarus was in the bosom of Abraham, did Lazarus live inside Abraham?
NEVER !
John 8:38 Jesus is in the presence of his Father.
When you are in the presence of your Father,are you living inside your Father?
NEVER!
4th LIE :" I am not a Trinitarian"
ImmaculateSense is a mentee of Trinitarians, inventors of the man made scam of the Council of Nicene

Your Trinity mentors made forgeries in 1Jn5:7, Revelation 1:11, John 10:33,1 Timothy 3:16 & Philippians 2:6 & more.
Deceitful lots [/b]

Do u wonder how people view ur quote on someone's comment. You highlighted wat I explained without understanding of wat I explained anyways...ur just about highlighting.But I trust the wisdom of the people on this thread reading the part of my comment u highlighted and I bliv they understand ur chasing clout.
My stand on Trinity has bn made know and how the relationship btw the Father,Christ and the Holy spirit shud be explained.
Keep chasing clout anyways...at least,it gets u busy.

Janosky:
Emperor Constantine's 3 deities devotees of the Council of Nicaea are the mentors of gods of men who mentors the modem day followers of the Trinity delusion whether the devotees acknowledge it or not.

Lol... finally he (Janosky) goofed...he thought about how he could accuse me but found nothing...glory to God in the highest. Unfortunately for him...I am not a trinitarian...go into my comments in other thread...u will see my take on the topic Trinity.
Janosky...since u failed this one...can u keep trying to guess wat I believe in except Christ and the scriptures?...I am a Christian...keep guessing wat ORGANIZATION I belong to.

Trinity? Constantine? Council of Nicae Creed?

None is my conviction.
Can u see u can't know who I am except being a CHRISTIAN. I am proud to not be an association fanatic that will make people not to see Christ in me but Organization...I am a Christian...all u can see is christ.

Keep trying ooo...people are reading ur FAILURES

Janosky:
The disciples were Jews.
It is the beliefs and teaching of the Jews that the Messiah would restore the kingdom of God to Israel, Luke 24:21 & Luke 19:11.
Read the first screenshot and all those verses in Luke's gospel.

In the 2nd,3rd,4th screenshot,Your gods of men set date too, were FAILURES AT IT PEAK...FALSE PROPHETS TOO.
Do you want More evidences?
Hypocrite !

I am waiting ooo...start listing the names of my gods of men that u know me with...oya start...
I av mentioned Charles Taze Russell...
Mention ur own u know me with...u dat u only know me as Christian...can u even guess my denomination or like u call it ORGANIZATION?...Try if u can

Janosky:
Oga, was politics practiced in the Roman empire when Jesus Christ preached on Earth?

John 17:16 ,Which political group was any of the disciples associated with?

When you practice 1 Corinthians11:1, which political party would you, Jesus and Paul belong to?

Lol...lame excuse
Tell me what SCHOOL the twelve disciples went to or Jesus sent them to?
Don't u go to school today?
Tell me what sound address system Jesus used to preach to people?
Don't u use sound address system in ur Hall today?


UNFOUNDED EXCUSES

achorladey:
They went ahead Togo against a clear words of Jesus in Acts 1:7


He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction.


They went ahead to start cooking spiritual food using Daniel's prophecy and Ezekiel's prophecy as ingredients for the concoction later spiced it with book of REVELATION to arrive at numerous dates, times and seasons not placed under their JURISDICTION.

My Guy...that's not even the funniest part...if they had studied those scriptures alone...maybe we would av forgive them for misinterpretation...
U know the funniest thing?
There forefounders went to study the GREAT PYRAMID OF GIZA where the ancient old Pharaoh was buried...they said that is the map of the world...

IS THAT NOT INSANE?
Maybe MaxinDHouse has a better explanation...THEY ALWAYS HAVE

Emusan:
Says the Hallgoer who knows nothing about spiritual matters



If the Hallgoers have not accused Jesus and His disciples, who will they accuse?



But this isn't the same message, Watchtower false prophecies all about.

1. "Repent for God's Kingdom is at hand" is different from "By the end of 1925 Faithful people like Abraham, Isaac to Abel will be resurrected to earth."

2. "Repent for God's Kingdom is at hand" is different from "The battle of Armageddon will happen at end of 1914"

3. "Repent for God's Kingdom is at hand" is different from "Jesus will become king in 1878"

4. "Repent for God's Kingdom is at hand" is different from "the world will end in 1914"

And many more!



You inserted the word "TODAY" when you know the person isn't talking about TODAY

Anyway, JWs aren't saying the same thing back then just say bright light is saying the same thing TODAY

Lol...u got him...Maybe MaxinDHouse will answer why the had to sell out THE HALL OF SAINTS they built in anticipation of the Ressurrection of Abraham and the Father's of Faith after their prediction failed in 1925?

MaxinDHouse...please come and explained why it was sold ooo...when those Fathers(Saints) refused to Ressurrect in 1925

MaxInDHouse:
You no get dagger knife, gun or bomb to kill those blaspheming against your god, shey?

I've told you times without number STOP quoting me because you and i aren't serving the same god. I think you will stop quoting me from now after all i have blasphem your god.

If you're claiming JWs are false prophets for talking about God's Kingdom as if it's coming in our generation and the media mistranslated our message as if it's a prophecy then Jesus must have been a false prophet too after all that's the impression his message created in the hearts of all his listeners.
His own disciples who best understood him shows exactly what they thought about Jesus' message! Act 1:6

They THOUGHT...we Christians are still thinking today too...he may come today or not...we are always read.
But JW set date...exact date...but they failed...
Not ONCE
Not TWICE
BUT SIX TIMES...

FAILURE AT IT PEAK...FALSE PROPHETS ORGANIZATION

SEALED

Janosky:
Jesus preaching after his baptism since 30 CE till tomorrow, "God's kingdom is at hand".
This is 2022,has Jesus prophecy fulfilled?
Luke 19:11 & Luke 24:21,25, did the disciples made the same mistake you accused JWs for?
Yes.
1 Samuel 3:20 & 16:6, did Prophet Samuel make similar mistake of FALSE prophecy?
Yes.
Matthew 26:31-35,69-75, again did the disciples make similar mistake of FALSE prophecy & prediction?
Yes.

Acts 15:14-17,are they still Jehovah's servants calling on the name of the only true God?


Luke 24:21,25 & Luke 19:11, did the kingdom of God arrive immediately?
Today, did the kingdom of God arrive immediately?
the disciples prediction FAILED.
Oga, it's in your Bible.


Luke 24:21,25 & Luke 19:11, did the kingdom of God arrive immediately?
Today, did the kingdom of God arrive immediately?
the disciples prediction FAILED.
Acts 3:13 & John 9:4, the disciples with Jesus are Jehovah's servants.
Your last sentence is not true.
1 Samuel 2:27-35, Jehovah changed his prophecy on Eli priesthood, did God fail?
Oga your claim is not true.

BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY!!! BLASPHEMY
I av warned u...I know u won't listen...those prepared for everlasting torment won't listen...but I av warned u...u just crossed that line that God lie and Jesus lied and God break is promises... BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY!! BLASPHEMY!!!
The Bible says
"The Lord is not a man that he should lie,nor a son of man that he should repent of his promises"
The Bible says
"The Lord is not fail concerning his promises as SOME accuses of failure but long-suffering towards all not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance"
Again the Bible says
A day is like a toward years and a thousand years like a day in the eyes of the Lord

Jesus did not set date for his coming,he only said the kingdom of God is at hand(coming)...So no date no lie.

JW set date for Jesus six times...Jesus did not come...they set date,it failed,so they are liars and thereby FALSE PROPHETS

MaxInDHouse:
You're not ready to carry weapons against us just like your kind does in other religion shey?

Leave blasphemy against God for God Himself to judge!

If Jesus said "the Kingdom is at hand" some 2,000 years ago and his disciples (closest confidants) thought he's talking about their generation {Act 1:6} then he should be a false prophet going by your judgment, after all his listeners who were his closest friends thought he was talking about their time!

Ọmọ humbly request a free home Bible study and we will TEACH you what John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth and Jehovah's Witnesses meant by continuing advertising God's Kingdom till today!

Thank God you said they thought but not disobeyed...but u people went on to disobey by setting a date even Christ CANNOT set. That on it's own is BLASPHEMY.

I won't allow heresy in my home...I won't even offer you a cup of water to drink if u come. I will not take part in encouraging ur heretic destructive bound teaching
Read
2 John 1:10-11
[10]If anyone comes to your meeting and does not teach the truth about Christ, don’t invite that person into your home or give any kind of encouragement.
[11]Anyone who encourages such people becomes a partner in their evil work.

achorladey:
Make we teach am Bible small


On arriving, these said to him: “Teacher, we know you are truthful and you do not seek anyone’s favor, for you do not look at the outward appearance of people, but you teach the way of God in line with truth. Is it lawful to pay head tax to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay, or should we not pay?” Detecting their hypocrisy, he said to them: “Why do you put me to the test? Bring me a de·narʹi·us to look at.” 16 They brought one, and he said to them: “Whose image and inscription is this?” They said to him: “Caesar’s.” 17 Jesus then said: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar,+ but God’s things to God.” And they were amazed at him.


Make we ask am

MaxInDHouse, is CAESAR part of the POLITICAL ELEMENT OF THIS WORLD or NOT

MaxInDHouse as you plan to respond please, please

Don't forget your



According to MaxInDHouse, part of the world = political elements of this world. So we are asking MaxInDHouse, is CAESAR part of the political element of this world or NOT.

If YES is the answer, do MaxInDHouse pay to caesar aka political element of the world and in so doing is a part of CAESAR aka political element of the world in contributing to what CAESAR aka political element of the world does or do?

I want to see the Bible study MaxInDHouse boast about.

He would Dodge the answer and start saying all sort of BLASPHEMY...imagine him calling Jesus false prophet that Jesus said the kingdom of God is at hand and dat did not fulfil... imagine his audacity

MaxInDHouse:
You're spiritually blind!

Whatever makes JWs false prophets equally makes John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth false prophets too!
WHY?
These two said some 2,000 years ago:

"Repent for God's Kingdom is at hand" Matthew 3:2; 4:17

So if JWs are saying the same today what makes you think they're false prophets?
OK, the Kingdom has not come shey?

Ọmọ learn to interpret scriptures!
Both John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth talked about God's Kingdom as if it's coming in the first century, in fact those that listened to the enthusiastic way both John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth declared this message back then asked Jesus:
“Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” Act 1:6
WHY do they think so?
Because they had the impression that God's kingdom will come in their generation, but did Jesus condemned them for thinking so?
NO! He appreciatively assigned them to a great work which you're all seeing them doing today {Act 1:8} and with their hearts firmly fixed on the kingdom of God while you are fighting and killings one another over politics!

Jesus said it's by the fruit of each religion that you will KNOW which one belongs to God and those belonging to Satan {Matthew 7:16-18} so it's not about how many mistakes Jesus' disciples makes but what have they been able to achieve globally as they go about picking individuals from different races throughout the earth and making them disciples of Christ: The Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} they are showing love to their neighbours and fellow believers as peacelovers. But what about you and your cohorts? You can't even relate peacefully with your neighbours talkless fellow believers in other countries due to politics!

So it's by their fine WORKS Sir not concentrating on their flaws because as imperfect humans all servants of God right from Genesis till today do makes mistakes but by the end of the day God's Holy Spirit will guide them to a profitable end! James 2:18-26

BLASP! BLASPHEMY!! BLASPHEMY!!!
For calling Jesus Christ a liar...u blaspheme God...Jesus said;
Matthew 24:36
[36]“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.

Jesus saying the kingdom of God is at hand means d kingdom of God is coming...he didn't set date because he said he did not know... blasphemy! blasphemy!!Jesus never said 1878,1914,1925,1968,1975... JW set those date and they failed...Jesus never set date and he is JUSTIFIED.

In Act 1:6
Acts of the Apostles 1:6-7
[6]So when the apostles were with Jesus, they kept asking him, “Lord, has the time come for you to free Israel and restore our kingdom?”
[7]He replied, “The Father alone has the authority to set those dates and times, and they are not for you to know.

The disciples only ASKED QUESTIONS...they did not predicta date. Jesus told them only the Father had the right to set date and they agreed and none of them in their letters went on to SET DATES.

But JW disobeyed God and went on in their publications WatchTower and SET DATES and THEY FAILED.

BLASPHEMY...Do wat God alone can do is BLASPHEMY.

So, JW can be tagged as BLASPHEMOUS ORGANIZATION