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MaxInDHouse:
Religions brainwashing!

Jesus is not the same as God neither is he equal to God, those are false religious doctrines!

Smile. I respect your taught but you need to broading your view. I don't hold a doctrinal point of any church, I stand on the scriptures even if it opposes the standpoint of my church. I am loyal to the scriptures and not to denomination because of you are loyal to a denomination, your view will be influenced and you will not be objective in your view. My close associates are jw and they know me, I respect their view but when I talk they know I speak to issues objectively. You AV read my comments before some years back, I just stayed away for personal development.
Maxim, let me ask you a simple question that will confuse you.
Explain the difference between these two verses of the same origin and meaning, but different in just one word.
Psalm 8:5 and Hebrews 2:7
Psalms 8:5
[5]Yet you made them only a little lower than God (elohim)
    and crowned them with glory and honor.

Hebrews 2:7
[7]Yet you made them only a little lower than the angels (angelos)
    and crowned them with glory and honor.

You know I don't like back and forth, tell me why the psalmist used (god)- elohim-, and the writer of Hebrews while making reference to the psalmist changed it to (angels)- angelos. Does it mean that the psalmist and the writer of Hebrews viewed angels as 'elohim' (god) or the writer of Hebrews was trying to correct the psalmist? I will go with the first. Let's hear ur own view on this two same but distinct verses.

cornelboy:
Just like Pharaoh king of Egypt gave Joseph authority to rule Egypt, is the same way God, the Father gave authority to his son Jesus.

Mat 28:18 NIV
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Gen 41:39-44 (Joseph/Pharaoh story)

Does Jesus having all the authority in heaven and on earth mean he has same authority with God?
Study Paul's inspired words carefully in the scripture below;

1 Cor 15 NIV
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Pharaoh was greater than Joseph the same way God is greater than Jesus.

Is Jesus same as God?
Is Jesus equal to God?
Is the Trinity doctrine scriptural?

The answer is capital NO!

Sir, I respect your view and I have the same view too. But let me help you to create a balance. Your view is correct but not complete. Let me answer or rephrase your thoughts one after another.
1. Is Jesus same as God? The answer is YES. But is Jesus same as the Father? The answer is NO. I will clarify this in my last paragraph.
2. Is Jesus equal to God? The answer is YES. But is Jesus equal to the Father? The answer is NO. He was only equal 'with' not 'to' the Father. I will also clarify this in my last paragraph.
3. Is the Trinity doctrine scriptural? The answer is YES. But has the Trinity doctrine been rightly taught the way the scriptures viewed it by most denomination? The answer is NO.

MY LAST PARAGRAPH
The word 'god'-'elohim' (note that there is not capital letters in Hebrew and Greek) is a plural word that is used for anyone divine or special. Angels were known as 'god' in the biblical period. Study the story of Jacob wrestling with god (angel) Genesis 32:30. Remember Manoah and his wife saw an angel and the said they saw 'god'- Judges 13:22. There are numerous examples of angels been regarded as God all across the scriptures but those two examples are clear enough for that.
Men were also called god. Remember that even the Father through his angel called Moses god (elohim) unto pharaoh and Aaron his prophet- Exodus 7:1. Abraham was called 'god' (elohim) by the Canaanites, even though some versions changed it to 'mighty' and some 'prince' but the original Hebrew word was 'elohim.'- Genesis 23:6. In Psalms the writer clearly stated that 'elohim sits on his throne in the heavenly court and judges among the elohim- Psalm 82:1.
Jesus is god (elohim-) because he is divine/deity but he is not the Father- the one and only god who alone is above all. Jesus is below him but superior to all other god.
In the true Bible teaching of the Trinity, just like the word Bible is not in the scriptures, the word Trinity is not in the scriptures but the Father who alone is supreme and above all sent his son Jesus on a salvation mission (John 3:16-18) and after fulfilling the mission the Father through Jesus sent the holy spirit to guide and lead men into all truth (John 16:13-15). These three, united in purpose but distinct in authority as the Father is above the son and the son is above the spirit play their roles in the salvation of mankind. This is how the Trinity should be taught and not to make the three equal in authority as that is not true, but they are one and united in purpose.
Jesus is not equal to the Father. That should not even be a debate at all. Jesus himself declared severally that "My Father is greater than I am." And severally he always makes it known that he is subject to the Father's will and that the Father is his God- John 20:17. The son came from the Father but the Father came from no one. The son is god (deity/divine/worthy of worship) but the Father is god over all (deity/divine/worthy of worship).
Thanks you so much. I hope you will just include this in your view which is correct but not complete. Peace.

SeraphicWind:
Luke 15:7

"I tell you, in the same way there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who have no need of repentance."

I repeat; Not one soul should be lost to the devil no matter their disposition to their sinful nature.

It is not them at work. It is the bad spirit inside them.

The attention of the Church should be focused on that spirit at work in them.

Most times, those spirits binds strongly onto them and makes them think what they are doing is acceptable before God.

I respect your compassion and you love, but we can't be more compassionate than our Savior and Lord. Remember even Jesus said he had kept all his disciples except the son of perdition (Judas). The power of salvation is not in the church, the power of salvation is in Christ. The duty of the church is not only to add more sheep to the flock but as we add sheep to the flock we must beware of wolves in sheep's clothing who sneak in unaware to influence and devour the sheep.
My statement was clear and I don't think you disagree with dat. If a homosexual comes to church with the knowledge that he is a helpless sinner who needs the saviors help to be delivered from such sin, he should be welcomed, helped and treated with love by the church, that is the church's responsibility to help save sinners from the pit of hell into the kingdom of our Lord and his christ. The same goes for all other addictions. But if the homosexual comes with a different mindset which can pollute the church, it is the duty of the church to excommunicate and deter such person from the congregation. This is also the duty of the church to help protect the sheep from getting devour by wolves in sheep's clothing. We shouldn't focus on a duty and neglect the other, that has done more damage than good to the body of Christ over the years. It is interesting if you to thing about such people who had been saved by welcoming them into the church, but don't also forget to look at the millions of people who had been corrupted by such lifestyle because the church welcomed them into the church. In a bid of winning souls, we shouldn't also be losing souls. When you compare the number of those of them saved to those who had been corrupted to join them, you will know that the church is at a very big disadvantage. Read the verses I quoted earlier in my first mention critically.
Thanks.

Btruth:
Faith equals righteousness with God

Sun, 16 Feb 2025

‘Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”’ Galatians 3:6

Some might think of Abraham as having a halo around his head. Hardly. Not once, but twice he throws his wife under the bus. As they travelled through Egypt, Abram says to Sarai, ‘You’re a beautiful woman; I’m afraid the Egyptians will want to kill me so someone can have you for a wife, so let’s tell them you’re my sister’ (see Genesis 12:11-13). Pharaoh does take Sarai into his harem and gives Abram, her ‘brother’, a bunch of sheep, cattle, donkeys, servants, and camels. Rather than feeling guilty and coming clean, Abram simply says, ‘Thank you very much.’

And if you think that’s bad, when Abraham and Sarah (previously known as Sarai—see Genesis 17:15) are in the Negev later on, recorded in Genesis 20, he does the whole ‘she’s my sister’ routine a second time. Why doesn’t God just give up on him? Because Abraham doesn’t give up on God! Abraham eventually reached the place in his walk with God where his biography reads: ‘Who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform’ (Romans 4:18-21 NKJV). Note the words ‘strengthened in faith’. God’s plan is not to discard you, but to develop your faith and use you to bring glory to His name.

Sir, I respect your views and you made good points. But you didn't put three things into consideration.
1. Who was Paul speaking to in the letters to the Galatians and Romans?
2. What was the works Paul was preaching against in both passages?
3. Which other apostle explained the quoted passage Paul quoted which was Genesis 15:6 and why?
Answers:
1. Paul was speaking to Gentile believers who lived in the province of Galatia and Rome.
2. The "works' refers to the 'obedience to the law of Moses.' It does not mean a believer can live anyhow. It only means a believer does not need to keep the Mosaic law to be made right with God, because some so called apostles had preached that amongst the brethren which troubled their minds. Acts 15; Galatians 3:1-2; Romans 4:9-13.
3. James spoke against the misinterpretation of Paul's message to the Romans especially the misinterpretation of chapter 4 like people do today. James was not against Paul but was only setting the matter straight in James 2:14-26. James was trying to clarify that faith in God does not and cannot equal with the mental awareness that God is one, Jesus is the son of God and Jesus died and resurrected on the third day for my sin. James dispelled that by making reference to the demons believing in all this thing but does it equal to them being saved because they believe. James also proved that Abraham faith was shown through his obedience to God and keeping the instructions of God. So, a Christian shows his faith not with lips, but by doing the will of God. Matthew 7:21-23.
You will believe with me that Paul will not support a Christian living a life of sin. 1 Corinthians 5:1-7. Do not be deceived, he that does what is right is righteous. You can only do what is right when you believe in God who judges all men. So, works as used by Paul should not be misinterpreted as 'doing good.' as doing good as part of the lifestyle of a believer. And faith as used by Paul should not be misinterpreted as a mental awareness but as a strong belief in God's character and instruction which must be mirrored in the life of a believer.
Thanks and God bless you.

SeraphicWind:
Hello Sir, I don't think I am spreading a false narrative. I have seen churches in Nigeria send homosexuals away especially the protestant churches. You can even search online. You may see pastor doing this.

As recent as last year, there was a great hullabaloo when the Catholic Pope mandated catholic priests to bless homosexuals. What can you say about this?

Sir, I respect the fact that you want to be civil. But it is impossible to please men and look good at the expense of God's irrevocable standard.
My submission:
On homosexuals. Everyone deserves salvation and God's desire is that all men be save. So, if a man who is addicted to sleeping with a man and realizes that his actions are wrong but finds it difficult to help himself no matter how long he tried. If such a person comes to church with the hold of freedom through Christ from that addiction like any other addiction, such a man should not be crucified but assisted by the church to win the war over that sin. John 8:1-11. Pay attention to verse 10 but don't neglect verse 11.
But this is where the word of God should be carefully divided. In case the homosexual comes to church to fellowship with the belief that he is doing nothing wrong claiming that was how he was created or believing that Christ had paid it all and thus he can live anyhow. Such a man should be excommunicated from the church or fellowship. A little yeast leavens the whole lump and that is the standard of scriptures. 1 Corinthians 5:1-7.
You may disagree, I respect your view and I have made mine in a polite way.
God bless you.

Polchiz:
Why are deceiving yourself?
How on earth do you expect Yahaya Bello to win APC primary?
Obi has won this election if things continue like this. Take that to the bank.

Okay sir or madam...like I said...wetin I know about politics except say no be now winner dey show...na after counting of ballots.
Like I said...wetin small boi like me know about politics...
Sorry dat I trespassed

Jameskyrian:
Obviously, you dont know politics as you stated.... Did the so called crowd of Yahaya bello vote at the primaries?

So what are you saying?

Few carefully selected Delegates voted according to the highest bidder..

So, can you now go back to sleep and allow frustrating youths of Nigeria take back their country?
Thanks

Like I said...wat do I even know about politics...my apologies

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Smile...this reminds me of Yahaya Bello before the APC primary election...he later came a distant 5th...
I am not into politics and I don't even know wat am doing in the politics section...I pray the man after God's own heart wins either, Obi,Atiku or Tinubu...
My point is just that popularity of all candidates will be known on the day of election.
If Yahaya Bello could come a distant 5th in an ordinary primary...my brother...I SHOCK

Janosky:
Immaculate LYING & deceiving 3 gullible mumu on 18th June,2022 (screenshots evidences).
@ Philippians 2:6, is "Although he was God" in that verse?
NEVER !
The forgery of your Trinity mentors is not holy scriptures.
Correct rendition: "Although he was in the form of God".

Immaculate 2nd Lie:
ImmaculateSense, Did Jesus Christ or John 14:28 & John 20:17 claim equality with God his Father?
NEVER !

3rd Lie..
The man claimed Jesus lived inside God.
Lazarus was in the bosom of Abraham, did Lazarus live inside Abraham?
NEVER !
John 8:38 Jesus is in the presence of his Father.
When you are in the presence of your Father,are you living inside your Father?
NEVER!
4th LIE :" I am not a Trinitarian"
ImmaculateSense is a mentee of Trinitarians, inventors of the man made scam of the Council of Nicene

Your Trinity mentors made forgeries in 1Jn5:7, Revelation 1:11, John 10:33,1 Timothy 3:16 & Philippians 2:6 & more.
Deceitful lots [/b]

Do u wonder how people view ur quote on someone's comment. You highlighted wat I explained without understanding of wat I explained anyways...ur just about highlighting.But I trust the wisdom of the people on this thread reading the part of my comment u highlighted and I bliv they understand ur chasing clout.
My stand on Trinity has bn made know and how the relationship btw the Father,Christ and the Holy spirit shud be explained.
Keep chasing clout anyways...at least,it gets u busy.

Janosky:
Emperor Constantine's 3 deities devotees of the Council of Nicaea are the mentors of gods of men who mentors the modem day followers of the Trinity delusion whether the devotees acknowledge it or not.

Lol... finally he (Janosky) goofed...he thought about how he could accuse me but found nothing...glory to God in the highest. Unfortunately for him...I am not a trinitarian...go into my comments in other thread...u will see my take on the topic Trinity.
Janosky...since u failed this one...can u keep trying to guess wat I believe in except Christ and the scriptures?...I am a Christian...keep guessing wat ORGANIZATION I belong to.

Trinity? Constantine? Council of Nicae Creed?

None is my conviction.
Can u see u can't know who I am except being a CHRISTIAN. I am proud to not be an association fanatic that will make people not to see Christ in me but Organization...I am a Christian...all u can see is christ.

Keep trying ooo...people are reading ur FAILURES

Janosky:
The disciples were Jews.
It is the beliefs and teaching of the Jews that the Messiah would restore the kingdom of God to Israel, Luke 24:21 & Luke 19:11.
Read the first screenshot and all those verses in Luke's gospel.

In the 2nd,3rd,4th screenshot,Your gods of men set date too, were FAILURES AT IT PEAK...FALSE PROPHETS TOO.
Do you want More evidences?
Hypocrite !

I am waiting ooo...start listing the names of my gods of men that u know me with...oya start...
I av mentioned Charles Taze Russell...
Mention ur own u know me with...u dat u only know me as Christian...can u even guess my denomination or like u call it ORGANIZATION?...Try if u can

Janosky:
Oga, was politics practiced in the Roman empire when Jesus Christ preached on Earth?

John 17:16 ,Which political group was any of the disciples associated with?

When you practice 1 Corinthians11:1, which political party would you, Jesus and Paul belong to?

Lol...lame excuse
Tell me what SCHOOL the twelve disciples went to or Jesus sent them to?
Don't u go to school today?
Tell me what sound address system Jesus used to preach to people?
Don't u use sound address system in ur Hall today?


UNFOUNDED EXCUSES

achorladey:
They went ahead Togo against a clear words of Jesus in Acts 1:7


He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction.


They went ahead to start cooking spiritual food using Daniel's prophecy and Ezekiel's prophecy as ingredients for the concoction later spiced it with book of REVELATION to arrive at numerous dates, times and seasons not placed under their JURISDICTION.

My Guy...that's not even the funniest part...if they had studied those scriptures alone...maybe we would av forgive them for misinterpretation...
U know the funniest thing?
There forefounders went to study the GREAT PYRAMID OF GIZA where the ancient old Pharaoh was buried...they said that is the map of the world...

IS THAT NOT INSANE?
Maybe MaxinDHouse has a better explanation...THEY ALWAYS HAVE

Emusan:
Says the Hallgoer who knows nothing about spiritual matters



If the Hallgoers have not accused Jesus and His disciples, who will they accuse?



But this isn't the same message, Watchtower false prophecies all about.

1. "Repent for God's Kingdom is at hand" is different from "By the end of 1925 Faithful people like Abraham, Isaac to Abel will be resurrected to earth."

2. "Repent for God's Kingdom is at hand" is different from "The battle of Armageddon will happen at end of 1914"

3. "Repent for God's Kingdom is at hand" is different from "Jesus will become king in 1878"

4. "Repent for God's Kingdom is at hand" is different from "the world will end in 1914"

And many more!



You inserted the word "TODAY" when you know the person isn't talking about TODAY

Anyway, JWs aren't saying the same thing back then just say bright light is saying the same thing TODAY

Lol...u got him...Maybe MaxinDHouse will answer why the had to sell out THE HALL OF SAINTS they built in anticipation of the Ressurrection of Abraham and the Father's of Faith after their prediction failed in 1925?

MaxinDHouse...please come and explained why it was sold ooo...when those Fathers(Saints) refused to Ressurrect in 1925

MaxInDHouse:
You no get dagger knife, gun or bomb to kill those blaspheming against your god, shey?

I've told you times without number STOP quoting me because you and i aren't serving the same god. I think you will stop quoting me from now after all i have blasphem your god.

If you're claiming JWs are false prophets for talking about God's Kingdom as if it's coming in our generation and the media mistranslated our message as if it's a prophecy then Jesus must have been a false prophet too after all that's the impression his message created in the hearts of all his listeners.
His own disciples who best understood him shows exactly what they thought about Jesus' message! Act 1:6

They THOUGHT...we Christians are still thinking today too...he may come today or not...we are always read.
But JW set date...exact date...but they failed...
Not ONCE
Not TWICE
BUT SIX TIMES...

FAILURE AT IT PEAK...FALSE PROPHETS ORGANIZATION

SEALED

Janosky:
Jesus preaching after his baptism since 30 CE till tomorrow, "God's kingdom is at hand".
This is 2022,has Jesus prophecy fulfilled?
Luke 19:11 & Luke 24:21,25, did the disciples made the same mistake you accused JWs for?
Yes.
1 Samuel 3:20 & 16:6, did Prophet Samuel make similar mistake of FALSE prophecy?
Yes.
Matthew 26:31-35,69-75, again did the disciples make similar mistake of FALSE prophecy & prediction?
Yes.

Acts 15:14-17,are they still Jehovah's servants calling on the name of the only true God?


Luke 24:21,25 & Luke 19:11, did the kingdom of God arrive immediately?
Today, did the kingdom of God arrive immediately?
the disciples prediction FAILED.
Oga, it's in your Bible.


Luke 24:21,25 & Luke 19:11, did the kingdom of God arrive immediately?
Today, did the kingdom of God arrive immediately?
the disciples prediction FAILED.
Acts 3:13 & John 9:4, the disciples with Jesus are Jehovah's servants.
Your last sentence is not true.
1 Samuel 2:27-35, Jehovah changed his prophecy on Eli priesthood, did God fail?
Oga your claim is not true.

BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY!!! BLASPHEMY
I av warned u...I know u won't listen...those prepared for everlasting torment won't listen...but I av warned u...u just crossed that line that God lie and Jesus lied and God break is promises... BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY!! BLASPHEMY!!!
The Bible says
"The Lord is not a man that he should lie,nor a son of man that he should repent of his promises"
The Bible says
"The Lord is not fail concerning his promises as SOME accuses of failure but long-suffering towards all not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance"
Again the Bible says
A day is like a toward years and a thousand years like a day in the eyes of the Lord

Jesus did not set date for his coming,he only said the kingdom of God is at hand(coming)...So no date no lie.

JW set date for Jesus six times...Jesus did not come...they set date,it failed,so they are liars and thereby FALSE PROPHETS

MaxInDHouse:
You're not ready to carry weapons against us just like your kind does in other religion shey?

Leave blasphemy against God for God Himself to judge!

If Jesus said "the Kingdom is at hand" some 2,000 years ago and his disciples (closest confidants) thought he's talking about their generation {Act 1:6} then he should be a false prophet going by your judgment, after all his listeners who were his closest friends thought he was talking about their time!

Ọmọ humbly request a free home Bible study and we will TEACH you what John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth and Jehovah's Witnesses meant by continuing advertising God's Kingdom till today!

Thank God you said they thought but not disobeyed...but u people went on to disobey by setting a date even Christ CANNOT set. That on it's own is BLASPHEMY.

I won't allow heresy in my home...I won't even offer you a cup of water to drink if u come. I will not take part in encouraging ur heretic destructive bound teaching
Read
2 John 1:10-11
[10]If anyone comes to your meeting and does not teach the truth about Christ, don’t invite that person into your home or give any kind of encouragement.
[11]Anyone who encourages such people becomes a partner in their evil work.

achorladey:
Make we teach am Bible small


On arriving, these said to him: “Teacher, we know you are truthful and you do not seek anyone’s favor, for you do not look at the outward appearance of people, but you teach the way of God in line with truth. Is it lawful to pay head tax to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay, or should we not pay?” Detecting their hypocrisy, he said to them: “Why do you put me to the test? Bring me a de·narʹi·us to look at.” 16 They brought one, and he said to them: “Whose image and inscription is this?” They said to him: “Caesar’s.” 17 Jesus then said: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar,+ but God’s things to God.” And they were amazed at him.


Make we ask am

MaxInDHouse, is CAESAR part of the POLITICAL ELEMENT OF THIS WORLD or NOT

MaxInDHouse as you plan to respond please, please

Don't forget your



According to MaxInDHouse, part of the world = political elements of this world. So we are asking MaxInDHouse, is CAESAR part of the political element of this world or NOT.

If YES is the answer, do MaxInDHouse pay to caesar aka political element of the world and in so doing is a part of CAESAR aka political element of the world in contributing to what CAESAR aka political element of the world does or do?

I want to see the Bible study MaxInDHouse boast about.

He would Dodge the answer and start saying all sort of BLASPHEMY...imagine him calling Jesus false prophet that Jesus said the kingdom of God is at hand and dat did not fulfil... imagine his audacity

MaxInDHouse:
You're spiritually blind!

Whatever makes JWs false prophets equally makes John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth false prophets too!
WHY?
These two said some 2,000 years ago:

"Repent for God's Kingdom is at hand" Matthew 3:2; 4:17

So if JWs are saying the same today what makes you think they're false prophets?
OK, the Kingdom has not come shey?

Ọmọ learn to interpret scriptures!
Both John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth talked about God's Kingdom as if it's coming in the first century, in fact those that listened to the enthusiastic way both John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth declared this message back then asked Jesus:
“Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” Act 1:6
WHY do they think so?
Because they had the impression that God's kingdom will come in their generation, but did Jesus condemned them for thinking so?
NO! He appreciatively assigned them to a great work which you're all seeing them doing today {Act 1:8} and with their hearts firmly fixed on the kingdom of God while you are fighting and killings one another over politics!

Jesus said it's by the fruit of each religion that you will KNOW which one belongs to God and those belonging to Satan {Matthew 7:16-18} so it's not about how many mistakes Jesus' disciples makes but what have they been able to achieve globally as they go about picking individuals from different races throughout the earth and making them disciples of Christ: The Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} they are showing love to their neighbours and fellow believers as peacelovers. But what about you and your cohorts? You can't even relate peacefully with your neighbours talkless fellow believers in other countries due to politics!

So it's by their fine WORKS Sir not concentrating on their flaws because as imperfect humans all servants of God right from Genesis till today do makes mistakes but by the end of the day God's Holy Spirit will guide them to a profitable end! James 2:18-26

BLASP! BLASPHEMY!! BLASPHEMY!!!
For calling Jesus Christ a liar...u blaspheme God...Jesus said;
Matthew 24:36
[36]“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.

Jesus saying the kingdom of God is at hand means d kingdom of God is coming...he didn't set date because he said he did not know... blasphemy! blasphemy!!Jesus never said 1878,1914,1925,1968,1975... JW set those date and they failed...Jesus never set date and he is JUSTIFIED.

In Act 1:6
Acts of the Apostles 1:6-7
[6]So when the apostles were with Jesus, they kept asking him, “Lord, has the time come for you to free Israel and restore our kingdom?”
[7]He replied, “The Father alone has the authority to set those dates and times, and they are not for you to know.

The disciples only ASKED QUESTIONS...they did not predicta date. Jesus told them only the Father had the right to set date and they agreed and none of them in their letters went on to SET DATES.

But JW disobeyed God and went on in their publications WatchTower and SET DATES and THEY FAILED.

BLASPHEMY...Do wat God alone can do is BLASPHEMY.

So, JW can be tagged as BLASPHEMOUS ORGANIZATION

achorladey:
Abi ooo, Russell will be shaking his head as to what he set up before his death had become.

Smile...abi na

MaxInDHouse:
You're a LIAR!

Jesus confirmed that there will be false prophets and they will deceive many!
So all these different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines can't be for the same Jesus because he wanted all his friends globally to have the same line of thought {John 17:22} and that they must love their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} and there must be love among themselves {John 13:34-35} you and i know that all these will make Jesus liar if you his disciples in different countries join the political elements of this world and start killing one another!

Conflicting doctorine?
False prophets?
When JW made several prophecies about about Jesus coming. is that not false prophesy whereby making your ORGANIZATION an assembly of FALSE PROPHETS...
Don't u tink so...FALSE PROPHETS MAKE FALSE PROPHECIES abi


SEALED

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i have told that when JWs are talking about our book (Bible) humble yourself and learn not argue stupidly.

The WORLD means people who are ignorant of God's plan about Christ's Kingdom they are still agitating among themselves about who is their rightful ruler/leader but God's people are only interested in the preaching and teaching campaign Christ gave us as assignment.

Now that may seem as if we neglect important things like what is affecting everyone around us when people are voting in or voting out one man and the other, but then all the people in the world are fighting and killing themselves over this issue {Revelations 6:3-4} Jesus' order to us is to love our neighbours as ourselves and love our fellow believers just as Christ loves us.
That is why all of you can't decipher why only JWs do relate peacefully with all people and most especially our fellow believers in other countries but you people can't even when you want to relate peacefully with your fellow Churchgoers in other countries.
Take for instance the ongoing case between Russia and Ukraine, the current President of Russia banned JWs in 2017 and ever since then it has become a crime to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses in that country.
Nobody knew Putin's plan when he started attacking the JWs but today the whole world can see the reason! JWs are PREACHING and TEACHING everywhere we are for peaceful coexistence as in love for neighbours but Putin wants Russians to view Ukrainians as enemies so if he should allow JWs to continue in their preaching most loyal citizens may feel weak not to join Putin in attacking Ukraine so the best thing for him to do is ban this group that's preaching what will not allow his people join him in killing their neighbours in Ukraine.

So if you people are blind towards the sacred secrets of God's Kingdom we are not!
Jesus talking about the WORLD means political elements of the world, no Russian or Ukrainian will lift up weapons against one another if all of them are Jehovah's Witnesses but because they've been carried away with worldly philosophies your so called christians in Russian and Ukraine will carry weapons and kill one another!

That's why Jesus told Pontius Pilate saying:

"My Kingdom (government) is no part of this world" John 18:36

Can you join Jesus in saying the same thing if you're into politics?

Ọmọ abeg when JWs are interpreting the word of our God just keep shut and learn for your own good, stop deceiving yourself!

Let ur will be done on earth as it is in heaven...
Again...the whole world belong to him...both heaven on Earth...so we Christians are the kingdom of God on earth and he told us to subdue(rule) it...
Our disdain and withdrawal had made the wicked ones to rule it for too long.
Av u forgotten the Bible said...when the RIGHTEOUS RULES the people PROSPER but when the WICKED rules the people GROAN...

Can u see the OUTCOME of the WICKED ruling for so long?

Now tell me how those verses turns WORLD to POLITICS again?

When the scriptures call the love of the WORLD as the LOVE OF MONEY, LUST OF THE FLESH and PRIDE OF LIFE.

MaxInDHouse:
God bless you jàre for the highlighted but i will mention more than one performance of the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught!

[1] When Jesus commanded his disciples to go out there and make disciples he actually set the pace for making disciples which is going from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} this will make it really difficult for any of his followers to be a thug or trouble maker in the society {1Peter 2:12} that's why you can't remember JWs being protesters or thugs in our society today!

[2] Jesus taught his followers to stay away from politics because that's the only excuse people make for justifying innocent people {John 15:19; 17:14} so when racism leads to fighting and killings in the society where all other religions are involved JWs are neutral!

[3] Jesus taught his followers not to revenge but wait for God's Kingdom to set matters straight {Matthew 5:39-42} that's why JWs won't support anyone who wants to revenge no matter what happens we sue for peace! Matthew 26:52

[4] Jesus insisted that his followers must love their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} but in the midst of his disciples they must love fellow believers much more. How? Just as he loves them! John 13:34-35; 15:12-13
This makes JWs preaching and teaching in all our neighbourhood hoping to help us and as for love among JWs even the whole world know that JWs love their fellow believers!

[5] Jesus taught and prayed for his disciples to have the same line of thought on sacred matters {John 17:22} only JWs are known globally for having a unique teaching so no matter where you go on this planet you will recognize a JW by their oneness!

[6] The reason why God sent Jesus is to make a global family of peace loving worshipers with his wonderful counsel {Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Isaiah 9:6} so after preaching and teaching his ideas must be taken round the globe and what will be the expected result?
People from different races throughout the world will come together under one umbrella, they will use God's word (not politics) to make rules within themselves, they will resolve all their racial disparities, they will divert their resources into production of food and information materials, they will stop producing weapons and vowed never to learn war anymore! Micah 4:1-3

So despite the fact that the Watchtower has gathered sinners (imperfect humans) from all the nations of the earth and we know them in our neighborhood that they're just people like all of us, something like a spirit has help them to produce all the aforementioned just as Jesus Christ promised saying:

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Matthew 7:16-18

YES! Despite being imperfect like all of us this group has achieved a lot with the same kinds of people you can find in different geographical locations on this planet.

Surely no false religion can produce such fine WORKS! James 2:18-26

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Guy come here...
Is this how they interpret scriptures to u in WatchTower JW?
How does John 15:19 and John 17:14 translated to Jesus telling us not to join politics...read it again...abi na sleep eye u use type am? Let me quote it for u...quote ur own version too...now tell me how that place talks about politics.
John 15:19
[19]The world would love you as one of its own if you belonged to it, but you are no longer part of the world. I chose you to come out of the world, so it hates you.
John 17:14
[14]I have given them your word. And the world hates them because they do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world.

GO ON...AM WAITING OOO

GoodIsGod:
No! Jesus is not the servant of Jehovah. Jesus is the son of God. I am different from my father's servants. My father's servants are servants while I am the son.

You said Jesus was a Jehovah's witness. Yes Jesus was a Jehovah's witness like every other genuine Christian among who you guys in your arrogance and self-righteousness named Christiandom. Because you believe they are evil.

You ignorantly likened other christians to the scribes and the Pharisees not knowing you people are the ones behaving like the Pharisees.
What did the Pharisees do? They have self-righteousness and Pride like Jehovah's witnesses.
Like you accuse other christians of equating Jesus to God, the Pharisees accused Him of the same.

While He Himself has made us to know that "if you have seen me you have seen the father... I am in the father and the father is in me"
Another place he did what only God can do. He forgave sin!
"For you to know that the son has power to forgive sin" , "your sins are forgiven"

Another place he said, "Whatsoever you ask the father in my name, the same I will do"
Not the same the father will do. But the same I will do.
Why should I ask someone a thing and another will give me? Because I am asking the same person.

Never make Jesus look like a servant He is the Son of God. Who the Father has given all power. (Total Trust)

Wonderful response...great perspective...they seem to an the same replica of the Pharisees.

MaxInDHouse:
FINE WORKS only seen among JWs?



I don't want useless arguments, produce a better performing group than what i presented about JWs!

GOOD FAITH only seen among the body of Christ (CHURCH)

I Hereby present to you a better performing group THE CHURCH.

1 Corinthians 1:13,29,31
[13]Has Christ been divided into factions? Was I, Paul, crucified for you? Were any of you baptized in the name of Paul? Of course not!
[29]As a result, no one can ever boast in the presence of God.
[31]Therefore, as the Scriptures say, “If you want to boast, boast only about the lord.”

1 Corinthians 3:4-7,11
[4]When one of you says, “I am a follower of Paul,” and another says, “I follow Apollos,” aren’t you acting just like people of the world?
[5]After all, who is Apollos? Who is Paul? We are only God’s servants through whom you believed the Good News. Each of us did the work the Lord gave us.
[6]I planted the seed in your hearts, and Apollos watered it, but it was God who made it grow.
[7]It’s not important who does the planting, or who does the watering. What’s important is that God makes the seed grow.
[11]For no one can lay any foundation other than the one we already have—Jesus Christ.

achorladey:
It is the concept called "ORGANIZATION" which is equal to "GOD" sold to them by their religious leaders that is the main problem. Until their members start to rethink that concept will they know where they are in the scheme of things.

And Peter, having opened the mouth, said, "Of a truth I understand that God is not One who shows partiality,but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

On the right track bro... organization built on the foundation of propaganda of failed second coming of Christ...laying claim to the purified and clean church...is that not blasphemy on it own...I am sure Charles Taze Russell is having a rethink where he is now...may God have mercy on all of us...Amen

MaxInDHouse:
Guy enough of this bull crap the Israelites were God's people and they made lots and lots of errors including many of their prophets yet you're clinging to their book today because that's the one and only organization God chose back then.
Today JWs have produced lots of fine WORKS so if your own religion has failed in producing such fine WORKS it's none of my business.
Whether they make mistakes or not the point is they've achieved what Jesus promised.
Period!

Religion?
WORKS?
These are not Christian biblical terms to me...what I know is Church and FAITH

What did Jesus promise that u fulfilled?...ohhh...okay...he promised to come in 1878,1914,1925,1968,1975 respectively...he told u and u declared it to the world through ur WatchTower abi...ohhh....maybe that's the job u did in fulfilling the promise...bravo...u do am true true...

MaxInDHouse:
Balaam offered sacrifices to which God?
Whatever your submission is none of my business Jesus has an organization and that organization need to be IDENTIFIED in the midst of over 41,000 different sects claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.
That's why He spoke about his group that people will notice throughout the world {Matthew 5:13-16} surely no group has measured up to that standard except the JWs that's why all of you are silent about your sects as you can't present the WORKS expected of faith being done in those religions.

When Jesus said "by their FRUITS you will know them" he's referring to different sects claiming denominations but each group has it's fruit just like a tree, you can't speak against a group producing fine fruit simply because they made mistakes because all groups are formed by imperfect humans but only the group having the backing of God's Holy Spirit can produce the FRUIT of faith despite the fact that members are imperfect like all other religions.

Can a good tree produce routine fruit?
Jesus is asking you, if you can't find a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses then never equate the tree with any other tree. Speak of the tree under which you're working! Matthew 7:16-18

I laugh at u...ur organization was built on lies and propaganda...is that the organization Jesus created. Ur creator Charles Taze Russell said Jesus is coming in 1878...and that marks the foundation of ur organization...which turned out to be the biggest lie of the time...so,we can sum up ur organization was build a centurion LIE...so,if ur own Jesus is the derail,the Lie and the death...the ur right that THAT Jesus founded ur organization...but as far as my Jesus is the way,the truth and the life...he is not a know liar or deciever that made people quit jobs,sell belongings but disappointed...my Jesus never disappoint.
Once is a mistake...two may be seen as learning process...but six is too much and chronic lying...1878,1914,1918,1925,1968,1975...abah

Hear the regrets of some of ur members back then

MaxInDHouse:
Despite all these stories about their mistakes that's the one and only organization promoting LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23}
So are they perfect humans? NO!
Are they meeting up with expectations? YES!

God promised that his people will gather millions throughout the earth and erase politics, racism and military services among themselves, and in replacement of that they will divert their resources into production of food and information materials, they will no longer produce weapons neither will they learn wars anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Despite all the mistakes you're talking about only this group has produced this out of all the religions claiming Christians throughout the earth.
So if your religion has failed you don't think ours is the same as yours, God's people are progressing in producing the fruitage of FAITH no matter their past errors!

So MaxinDHouse...u can admit that ur organization is infallible...Jesus Christ...u can admit that u make errors...wow...
Those periods of ur error...ur people would av bn claiming it's the right path ooo...but now that those secrets were exposed...u claim it was in the past...in future...ur grandchildren will say d same tin...that this era was also an error.
Christ is infallible...the Bible never change nor fail...when people misinterpreted it...that is wen they fail...WE DONT FAIL...THE CHURCH OF GOD(NOT DENOMINATION OR ORGANIZATION) IS INFALLIBLE COS CHRIST HOLDS US STRONGLY IN HIS PERFECTION AND WE WILL NEVER DERAIL.
Read
Jude 1:24
[24]Now all glory to God, who is able to keep you from falling away and will bring you with great joy into his glorious presence without a single fault.

Janosky:
Oga, use your Bible answer these questions....
John 21:15-17, Jesus loves Peter so much & gave him a Special assignment.
Galatians 2:11-14 & Matthew 26:69-75, Oga how many times did Peter betray Jesus & practice Racism & LYING?
Luke 24:21,25 is it funny that Jesus call the disciples "Foolish"?
Is Nigeria among the 20 Most Developed Country as prophecied by your reverred god of men in 2010?
According to the screenshots, are your fellow 3 deities worshippers worthy examples of genuine Christlike living?

JWs are not infallible, but we are exceptional.
Do anyhow & receive discipline, 1 Corinthians 5:1-13.
Jehovah God doesn't pamper unrepentant sinners.
Oga, face your Christendom and clean out the rafters inside.

Wait...from ur first picture...it show even Pentecostal is better than u...0.9 to 1.7...?

The churches u posted...I am not even a member of any...
Do u see..from my comments. U can't even tell where I belong and dats wat I love...I want to belong to Christ. I want people to know me with Christ and not denomination...
From ur statement...I guess ur Jehovah's witnesses...can u guess where I belong except Christ?
TRY

achorladey:
God will overlook the mistakes of your religious organization and keep approving them but

that same God will not overlook the mistakes of other Christian denominations and keep approving them despite being in existence long before yours which is just +/-140 years and that same God will kill members of other Christian denominations over their mistakes abi?

Apply intelligence, that same God Peter said is not PARTIAL apply intelligence except the God under discussion is different

I wonder ooo...

achorladey:
That they even went ahead to publish a book titled

"Pure worship restored at last"


should tell you the whole story about the organisation and its agenda regarding interpretation of the scripture when they knew

James 1:27 states....

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Emphasis on ONESELF not GROUPSELF or ORGANIZATION SELF or DENOMINATION SELF

Their religious leaders aka governing body have said they are not inspired and make mistakes and errors in doctrines and organization directions in reality they cannot be trustworthy regarding interpretation of the scriptures. The reason you see them hiding behind light getting brighter or present truth becoming past truth and even projecting future truth.

Sir...the tin still baffles me how a denomination that has so many flaws and their founder Charles Taze Russell lying about Jesus second coming three consecutive times and their watchtower lied of Jesus coming for 6 consecutive times still lay claim on bn the true church...is that not funny?...is church denomination or a body of believers in Christ all accross the world...no matter the race,gender or tongue...