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Very ugly man.

No hope for him at all.

goody234:
It could also have been sabotage ..a section of the track could have been vandalised !!

True, but why is very little done to tackle this menace?

Why expose billion dollar public transport to vandal to reign unhindered?

How many more loses and accidents until things get fixed?

benardtotti:
Black man and inferiority complex ,see how you are running down your country like trains don't derail in saner climes , see link below in just 1 week 2 derailment happened in almighty usa ,Chicago


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Q37WVWktk?si=IE1z0wonG3gM00xq

You are so very shameless and a disgrace really.
When was the Abuja - Kaduna rail tracks commissioned?
Very recent.
How is the derailment in your news video related to this catastrophic accident in Nigeria?
And how’s it normal for you to prefer competing in failures?

What was the emergency response and care given to the passengers of that failed train, how many hours weee they stranded in the middle of no where at the mercy of the elements and criminals?

Trains derail everywhere for known reasons of wrong routing or what we call Points failures but in Nigeria they derail because of corruption.

By the way, I just finished working trains, so I got time.

benardtotti:
Black man and inferiority complex ,see how you are running down your country like trains don't derail in saner climes , see link below in just 1 week 2 derailment happened in almighty usa ,Chicago


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Q37WVWktk?si=IE1z0wonG3gM00xq

Black man with pride in failing, trains derail everywhere in the world but for every accident the cause tells the real story.

You are proud of failure

lexy2014:
are you sure you understand my questions?

who do you think the questions were directed at?

I know it’s the other guy but I don’t know how to mention him

lexy2014:
if the tracks are being vandalized all the time, why does this incident not happen all the time?

do you have anything to prove that this incident was caused by vandals?

meanwhile, in all said below, which of them is government doing?

The government is doing their best is a generic and superficial statement.

So answer the questions asked and beware that your answer will expose you to more drilling so choose your words carefully.

By the way, is the government’s best good enough for? Is this the best they can do? Is this the best you want?

Every one knows this na, Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism.

It’s fun to them, it’s a cultural way of life for them.

Nigerian Police officers are now an endangered species.

Endangered by their own actions- greed, corruption, and lawlessness.

This generation of mobile camera citizens will put the fear of God in the Police force!

chukwutee:
Na only you they work in the train industry in the uk, Una regions are full of people programmed to undermine the effort of the government.

It’s a shame that even when serious discussions about criticising systematic failures are going, this is all you can contribute.

So we must sacrifice scrutiny on the alter of political patronage?

Just so you, I am politically neutral. I have never supported any politician nor voted for any.

My submissions on Nairaland Forum are based on the principles of fairness, justice, wisdom and love both of humans and Nigeria- a country I fled from to escape insecurity in the East and bigotry in the West.

TheBizGenius:
The truth? You have a point. And I concede to the point you're making.

But, your point is only valid when you look at things from a bird's eye view perspective. I am also trying to balance it with a worm's eye view perspective.

In a country where most of the systems are working; police, cctv, social security number for authentic identity, then, one system collapse is prevented because the other parts can sustain it.

But if most of the systems are in comatose, trying to bulk up just the railway system, in terms of infrastructure, compliance to standards, maintenance is not rational.

You can do your best and someone comes in the night to steal something critical and get away with it because the police system, which is not part of your own working system ooo, is not effective.

I used to design business systems for companies and I can tell you that there are just too many parts missing in the jigsaw puzzle needed to make Nigeria work.

But, once again, I agree to what you said, but only if Nigeria was already a working system that had one piece (Railway) of the puzzle missing or deformed.

You have said it all. There’s nothing more to add.
Maybe some day some how things will work and operate better in Nigeria
Maybe someday the citizens will realise that for a country to work they must collectively play their part.

TheBizGenius:
Ooohhh no. You don't get off that easy.

It's so unfair that you used your mechanical engineering background as the basis of this comment.

If Nigeria tries to fence the train tracks with concrete that runs through forests, be very sure the people living in those forests will break it during the night to pass to the other side.

If Nigeria tries to use barbed wire to fence from Lagos to Kaduna, the iron condemn guys will gut the whole fence away in one night and leave a "Thank you forever" note behind.

The issue is that as a project manager, would you suggest this solution to the Nigerian government knowing the Nigerian citizens?

PS
I have a first degree in mechanical engineering too.

You made me laugh so hard.

But let’s get serious. Lots of folks here blame vandalism for this accident but to honest that’s a very lame excuse.

Before we blame vandals, what has been done and is being done to prevent vandalism to railway lines?

How regular does the railway cooperation inspect tracks? There are even technologies that help indicate when a track loop is broken or open?

Why do we operate un-signalled railway in 2025?

Even after the accident, how ready was the railway cooperation to respond to emergencies?

You spend billions of dollars to build an infrastructure but want to save money protecting the infrastructure simply because politicians in Nigeria don’t commute on trains like their European counterparts do.

Blaming vandals is not enough, we must first put the blame on the regulators who themselves failed to factor in all preambles.

CaptainFM1:
See comparing Nigeria with England is like comparing heaven and earth. One of our major problems here is bad citizens. The tracks were properly laid to the best standard in the world but scavengers goes about stealing rail nuts and bolts are the problems.

You don't have such scavengers in England.

How many road manhole covers have you heard missing in England?

You are right about English railway, among the best in terms of durability of infrastructure and just so you know, Britain invented the railway and has continuously operated it for 200 years now.

That said, there are vandals in British railways but the system is so robust that these vandals cause minimal disruption.

One way to deter vandals as done in England is that all rail tracks are fenced and barricaded from the point of construction, not like Nigeria where there’s unhindered access to railway tracks.

So it’s about our country’s poor regard for safety of lives and property. That’s why we just build for glorification and not for service to humans as humans.

As a mechanical engineering graduate myself, I feel shame that our engineers fail the society by delivering projects with poor safety standards.

The guy get bad mouth like me sha.

Always looking for fights.

Very obvious that poor state of track infrastructure was the cause of this avoidable accident.

The running rails has very little ballast to hold the sleepers.

The Cess is heavily eroded and there are no embankments to protect the tracks from landslides and earth movements.

Train was also not travelling at the appropriate speed for the track conditions.

Total absence of signalling on this tracks.

Gosh, I work as a competent train conductor in England and what I see here is abhorrent and repulsive. We build in Nigeria for an opportunity to loot not for the love of country or citizens otherwise why do we always refuse to factor in safety in our building and operational activities?

The cause of this derailment is very simple to determine.

From the pictures of the rail infrastructure before and after the accident, it’s easy to deduce that poor conditions of the rail infrastructure caused by a likely landslide or earth movement caused the derailment.

The pictures show that the running rails and the sleepers moved because the soil was weak and eroded perhaps by rainwaters.

The tracks had no protection by means of water channels and embankments and hence would be exposed to the effects of rainfalls and stagnant water which would erode the soil.

Additionally, with the infrastructure compromised largely due to poor engineering and environmental designs, the train itself is a very heavy machine weighing thousands of tonnes and derailed because the track couldn’t bear its weight.

It’s also evident that Nigeria Railway Cooperation is still very backward and rudimentary with regards to safety of tracks and track inspections.

Otherwise this track defects and poor engineering and environmental design inherent in the project execution process would not have happened.

Trains should be safer than roads but in Nigeria accidents happen because of negligence and corruption.

This investigation will make no difference.

The VP has no political relevance to the President’s reelection campaign because the president has already conquered and captured all apparatus of State and calls the shots.

So neither Shettima or the North and not even the Nigerian masses has any hold or hindrance to Tinubu continuing his presidency.

He might even spend more than 8 years if he so desires, who in Nigeria can stop him!

The VP has no political relevance to the President’s reelection campaign because the president has already conquered and captured all apparatus of State and calls the shots.

So neither Shettima or the North and not even the Nigerian masses has any hold or hindrance to Tinubu continuing his presidency.

He might even spend more than 8 years if he so desires, who in Nigeria can stop him!

Sponsored political post.

Nothing important here.

Is the term University a registered trademark?

Anything form of learning can actually be called university, that’s why there’s something called the University of life.

They will end up making him more popular!

motymop:
i am talking about black kids not adult. that are labelled special needs by the teacher without medical diagnosis

pls read this,an article by the bbc: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57099654

This is not exactly the case here. I am a father of a year 1 daughter, when her teachers gave report about her social interactions at school, and even recommended special classes to help her. We agreed to the special classes and after a few weeks she was cleared of needing any further special classes as she has improved in her interactions and speaking.
The process as it is today and as we experienced was not arbitrary, as parents you are carried alone and can refuse the extra help if you suspect racial profiling. The decision is also not made by the class teachers but by some external education inspector and a detailed report is presented to parents to show what the kid lacks and what plan is in place to bring them to speed.

You must also know that it’s quite transparent process and every child’s case is unique and it’s not only black kids that are affected.

Finance is the leading cause. The schools are exploiting the system for financial benefits.

Also it’s not about skin colour. I work in the UK public sector and I can tell you that 2 in every British person holds a disability card or claims to suffer from some weird sounding disorder.

This allows almost 60% of the population dependent on benefits. That’s simply how they live in this country.

He will be released now to do his legislative duties!

The always have an excuse to arm youths before any Governorship or presidential election.

Use them to intimidate, maim and kill opponents.

With fear everywhere, they win the election and abandon the youths they have armed.

Those youths begin a new era of violence and criminality.

Nigerian wey you borrow money never even pay you back sef!

This can’t be imagined in Nigeria.

Nigerian wey you borrow money never even pay you back sef!

Mental health is over emphasised in this country.

People here live a hopeless existence - eat and drink for tomorrow we shall die, hence they over indulge and experiment on just anything for an escape from reality.

There over dependence and trust in their system makes them too vulnerable to shocks from the system and so makes them miserable.

At least 1 person dies by train strike daily as hundreds choose take their lives.

You mean consistent in asslicking because they are not comedians but political jobbers!

A very irrelevant and expired politician speaking to his village people.

And your young men will dream dreams, what a fulfilment to an ancient prophecy!

triplechoice:
It's wrong to judge her as unruly based on a singular incident. You that is saying this and judging her negatively might even react worse if you find yourself in the same situation. Nobody is perfect and anyone can have their crazy moment.

The air hostess, according to her, block her from disembarking,called her a prostitute, forcefully removed her wig from her head to cause her pain and then smashed her phone on the floor ,and you expect her not to react?

In case you don't know, the law supports her behaviour. It's called self defence in the face of extreme provocation . Ask a lawyer about what I just said so you stop framing her reaction as unruly.

Your opinion might not be entirely wrong as mine might be entirely right but that was not self-defence.
As Nigerians, we are experts in criminal law and defence of criminals. Not that she’s a criminal but you are just putting up a defence for a someone who displayed an antisocial behaviour, a misdemeanour in any country’s bylaws.

There’s something called civil aviation bylaws. That act empowers airlines and aircrews to maintain the right onboard environment that’s both safe and comfortable for their passengers. It also authorises them to manage onboard disturbances.

That lady did not comply to lawful instructions without compulsion and she both verbally and physically assaulted flight crew members on duty. Nobody should be assaulted for doing their jobs or at their jobs.

When the flight landed, the crew did the right thing by trying to keep her onboard until she’s arrested even though they should have first waited until the airport security boarded before releasing the doors, that way they will come to the erring passenger whilst she seated and escort her out of the plane before releasing the door. In any case, they were right in apprehending for causing a disturbance inflight.

Saying she was prevented from leaving means you expected them to allow her go free for assaulting them.

This sort of incident can only end like this in Nigeria. Let her attempt it on her Dubai flight and see how it will turn out if they won’t cuff onboard and arrest immediately that plane touches down.