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 Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 12:59pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
ijawkid: Ask the OP.......I just don't know where he got these info's from....smh!!!........In his 1920 book titled Millions Now Living Will Never Die. Rutherford taught that the millennium would start in 1925, that the patriarchs; Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were going to return to earth physically. To help God out he built a large palatial Spanish mansion in San Diego, California for Abraham Isaac and Jacob to live in, he called it Beth-Sarim -House of Princes, and tried to deed it to King David. Some quotes of anticipating this event “There will be no slip -up.... Abraham should enter upon the actual possession of his promised inheritance in the year 1925” (WatchTower 10/15/1917, p. 6157) “Beth Sarim was built in 1929 as proof that the resurrection would soon take place.” (Salvation p.311) “The press has scoffed at Beth Sarim, but those faithful men of old will be back on earth before Armageddon ends.” (WatchTower 3/15/1937 p.86) “Beth Sarim, built in 1930 is now held in trust for the occupancy of those princes on their return. “ (New World p.104) “After 1925 expect shortly Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob…”(Way to Paradise p.224)”The undertakers will decorate these new rooms for the resurrected ones.” (ibid. p.228) 1925 came and went as do all their dates. When and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never showed up, Rutherford did not want to waste a perfectly good mansion so he moved into it himself and lived there until he died in 1942. 50 years later the Watchtower wrote “Beth Sarim was built for brother Rutherford’s use.” (1975 yearbook) 1975 YEARBOOK, p. 146: “The year 1925 came and went. Jesus' anointed followers were still on earth as a class. The faithful men of old times—Abraham, David and others—had not been resurrected to become princes in the earth. (Ps. 45:16) So, as Anna MacDonald recalls: '1925 was a sad year for many brothers. Some of them were stumbled; their hopes were dashed.... Instead of its being considered a “probability,” they read into it that it was a “certainty,” and some prepared for their own loved ones with expectancy of their resurrection.” 5 years later they commented “Considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975.... Statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted ... the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.” (Watchtower 3/15/1980, p. 17) What the Jehovah’s Witness organization actually said, “Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old. . . (Millions now living will never Die , pp. 89-90) These lies are from Jehovah's Witnesses authorized publications, arent they, Mr Ijawkid? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 12:33pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
Before he got his religious career well underway, Charles Taze Russell promoted what he called "miracle wheat," which he sold at sixty dollars per bushel. He claimed it would grow five times as well as regular wheat. In fact, it grew slightly less well than regular wheat, as was established in court when Russell was sued. Later he marketed a fake cancer cure and what he termed a "millennial bean" (which a wag has said probably got that name because it took a thousand years to sprout). Is this true? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 12:32pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
ijawkid: Ahh the 1914 issue.........you were here on nairaland when this issue was discussed extensively by truthislife and barrister.....weren't u??.......and you guys call it russels teachings.............is russell the same as Jehovahs witnesses??.......My question was: is it true? Is it true that Charles Taze Russel (the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses) lied that Jesus would come back in 1914...and when we didnt see Jesus, he quickly lied again that Jesus had already come invisibly? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 12:24pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
ijawkid: I have told you.....the fervor for seeing an end to this wicked world is the driving force..which ofcourse is from God......So the fervor that made your sect to lie that the world would end in 1975 is from God? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 6:36am On Apr 11, 2013 |
ijawkid: The drive for truths and also anticipation of Gods kingdom is what was responsible......So prophecies no longer come from God? ijawkid: If after studying much I come to a realization that the use of beads in worship isn't christian or has any foundation in christianity but rather on paganism why can't I make adjustments??.......If your doctrines can change, how do you know the ones you hold today are true and will not change tomorrow? And who inspired the first one that was later declared wrong? God or satan? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 4:44pm On Apr 10, 2013 |
ijawkid: The JW's have in the past anticipated the worlds end and so engaged in scriptural chronology.......and YES some were mistakes on our part......and what have we done.??we've adjusted......who says we shouldn't and can't adjust??So wo was the inspiration behind the false prophecies you call "mistakes?" God or Satan? ijawkid: ...we don't remain stiff necked even whÉn it is glaring that §omething is wrong........But you can see that something is wrong and you remain stiff-necked. Your sect made a prophecy purportedly from God that the world would end in 1975. This is 2013 and the world has not ended. Who lied? God or your sect? And you remain there. Are you not stiffinecked? ijawkid: but that has not changed a thing about the JW's........we don't joke with the prophecies about an impending destruction of this world.......we are ever observant to worlds affairs and how they are connected to scriptural prophecies........You mean you don't joke with your false prophecies. ijawkid: The question you should ask yourself now is::::::Why should I ask that? Do you ever ask what Catholics believe? ijawkid: When I attack the doctrines of my colleagues here I first of all know what they really believe down till this moment...........That is a lie. Every Catholic tells you that they worship God alone yet you run around saying that we worship Mary, Saints, Pope, statues, rosaries, candles etc. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 4:29pm On Apr 10, 2013 |
ijawkid: Naaaaa.......we stay on a topic till the end...if its about mary we discuss it right down to the end...if its about the use of the rosary we discuss it right down to the end......if its about purgatory we stay on the topic.......Why are you lying openly in public? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by italo: 3:58pm On Apr 10, 2013 |
Enigma believes that anywhere on earth that you find two people gathered in Jesus' name, you have found 'his' Catholic Church. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Penticostal Protestants Are Idol Worshippers (account From An Eye Witness) by italo: 3:47pm On Apr 10, 2013 |
Segeggs: Catholic temples are filled with pagan symbols and dead bodies, Gay priests,war scandals, false and pagan doctrines, occult practices etc prostestants too, but the true followers of christ dont do any of the above and are like christ.Are you a true follower of Christ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Penticostal Protestants Are Idol Worshippers (account From An Eye Witness) by italo: 3:46pm On Apr 10, 2013 |
Boomark: Jesus did not study the new testament But the NT contains the truth Jesus said the Holyspirit will reveal to us. So do you still want to discard the NT?All these things you are doing, Jesus never did. Yet you blame others for doing things that Jesus never did. That is hypocrisy. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 8:12am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Jehovah's Witnesses may be "disfellowshipped" for a variety of reasons, such as attending a Catholic or Protestant church or receiving a blood transfusion. Disfellowshipping is the sect’s equivalent of excommunication, though somewhat more harsh. A disfellowshipped Witness may attend Kingdom Hall, but he is not allowed to speak to anyone, and no one may speak to him. The others are to act as though he no longer exists. This applies even to his family, who may only communicate with him as much as absolutely necessary. TRUE OR FALSE? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 8:09am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Jehovah's Witnesses operate NO hospitals, sanitariums, orphanages, schools, colleges, or social welfare agencies. From their perspective it will all disappear in a few years anyway, so they don’t expend their energies in these areas. TRUE OR FALSE? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 8:05am On Apr 10, 2013 |
In 1995 the Watchtower quietly changed one of its major prophetic doctrines. Until this point, they had maintained that the generation alive in 1914 would not pass from the scene until Armageddon occurred. Now that this generation has almost entirely died out—and Armageddon has not occurred and does not seem like it will happen immediately—they had to change their doctrine. Now, the Watchtower says that Armageddon will simply occur "soon," and it is no longer tied to a particular, literal generation of people. Isnt this true? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 8:04am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Frederick Franz succeeded Knorr For some years the sect’s magazines had been predicting that Armageddon would occur in 1975. When it didn’t, Franz had to find an explanation. Witnesses believe that Adam was created in 4026 B.C. and that human beings have been allotted 6000 years of existence until Armageddon and the beginning of the millennium. This figure is based on a "creative week" in which each of six days is equal to 1,000 years, with the Sabbath or seventh day being the beginning of the millennium. Simple arithmetic gives 1975 as the year Armageddon would arrive. Franz explained that Armageddon would actually come 6000 years after Eve’s creation. But when 1975 came and went, the Witnesses had to "adjust" their chronology to cover up a failed prediction. They accomplished this by maintaining that no one knew exactly how long after Adam’s creation Eve came on the scene. Franz said that it was months—even years. Hence he was able to "stretch" the 1975 date to some indeterminate time in the future. In any case, Franz said that Witnesses would just have to wait, knowing the end is right around the corner. When the final battle does occur—remember, it will be during the lifetime of "millions" of people alive in 1914, which means it can’t be too far off—Jehovah will defeat Satan and the elect will go to heaven to rule with Christ. But, following a literal interpretation of the number mentioned in Revelation, chapters 7 and 14, only 144,000 are among the elect. They will go to heaven as spirit persons (without resurrected bodies). The remaining faithful (Jehovah’s Witnesses), who are known as Jonadabs, will live forever on a renewed, paradise Earth in resurrected bodies. The unsaved will cease to exist at all, having been annihilated by Jehovah. Is this true? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 7:59am On Apr 10, 2013 |
ijawkid:I'm asking you. These are things I have heard and read from sources I consider as credible, and I believe them. So, as a Jehovah's Witness that you are, I'm asking you if these arent true. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 7:53am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Since the Bible, as preserved through the centuries, did not support the peculiar doctrines of the Witnesses, Nathan Homer Knorr (who succeeded Rutherford) chose an anonymous committee to produce the New World Translation, which is used by no sect other than the Witnesses. By means of former Witnesses, the names of the five members of the translation committee eventually came to light. Four of the five members completely lack credentials to qualify them as Bible translators, and the fifth member studied non-biblical Greek for only about two years. The New World Translation was produced because it buttresses Witnesses’ beliefs through obscure or inaccurate renderings. For example, to prove that Jesus was only a creature, not God, the New World Translation’s rendering of John 1:1 concludes this way: "and the Word was a god" [italics added]. Every other translation, Catholic and Protestant—not to mention the Greek original—has "and the Word was God." Isnt this true? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 7:49am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Rutherford said that in 1925 Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the prophets would return to Earth, and for them he prepared a mansion named Beth Sarim in San Diego, California. He moved into this mansion (where he died in 1942) and bought an automobile with which to drive the resurrected patriarchs around. The Watch Tower Society quietly sold Beth Sarim years later to cover up an embarrassing moment in their history, namely another failed prophecy. Isnt this true? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 7:47am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Russell's successor "Judge" Joseph R. Rutherford at one time claimed Russell was next to Paul as an expounder of the gospel, but later, in an effort to have his writings supplant Russell’s, he let Russell’s books go out of print. It was Rutherford who coined the slogan, "Millions now living will never die." By it he meant that some people alive in 1914 would still be alive when Armageddon came and the world was restored to a paradise state. Isnt this true? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 7:42am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Russell taught his followers the return of Jesus in 1914 When 1914 had come and gone, with no Jesus in sight, Russell modified his teachings and claimed Jesus had, in fact, returned to Earth, but that his return was invisible. Isnt this true? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 7:37am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Before he got his religious career well underway, Charles Taze Russell promoted what he called "miracle wheat," which he sold at sixty dollars per bushel. He claimed it would grow five times as well as regular wheat. In fact, it grew slightly less well than regular wheat, as was established in court when Russell was sued. Later he marketed a fake cancer cure and what he termed a "millennial bean" (which a wag has said probably got that name because it took a thousand years to sprout). Is this true? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 7:32am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Can I ask my own questions about Jehovah's Witnesses? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: One Small Question For Anti-catholics by italo: 7:31am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Bobbysworld28: When u take a greeting and repeat it several times dosent qualify dt greeting as prayer ok?You mean if I say "good morning Jesus" 10 times, I havent prayed? Again, is this how poor your understanding of prayer is? Bobbysworld28: Do u pray to ur earthly mother 2 pray for u?Yes. If your mother has not being praying for you, she has been unfair to you. What sort of mother is that? That's not how my earthly mother is...and that's not how Mary is. Mothers pray for their Children, whether their children pray to them for their prayers or not. Bobbysworld28: D elders as inferred from d scripture quoted are those in church like ur Pastors, deacons etcSo you give your pastors and deacons double honour? How? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 7:16am On Apr 10, 2013 |
ijawkid: Now the foolish OP says there are 4 million JW's in 200 lands........But you love frosbel's copy and paste hogwash against Catholicism. Hypocrite. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 7:13am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Pygru: Italo!!!Why? Because I'm a Catholic? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 7:12am On Apr 10, 2013 |
ijawkid: And now where did you get these info's from??.......from a watchtower or hear say??........When Jesus said "do unto others as you want others to do unto you," you thought he was joking? When he said "judge not, that you may not be judged," you thought it was play? Now you are crying because someone is doing the exact things you do against Catholics. 4 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: One Small Question For Anti-catholics by italo: 7:08am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Bobbysworld28: Hail Mary is a greeting. I will indulge only because ur comprehension is weak. So whn u r asked to pray don't start hailing Mary. I repeat it is a greeting. Italo, wht is ur tribe. I need to start writing to u in dt language because English is obviously nt ur strength.And you think "greetings" cannot be part of prayer? English teacher... Is that how weak your understanding of prayer is? Bobbysworld28: Lovethy said u guys honour Mary because Jesus did. I asked; do I pray to my mother to interceed for me since I also honour my mother & there is a specific instruction in d bible for me to honour my parents.If your mother has not been interceding for you both at your request and without it, then your mother has been very unfair to you. What kind of mother doesnt pray for her son? I think yours is the only one on earth. As for us Catholics, we ask our mothers (both earthly and heavenly) to pray for us. But even when we dont, they are praying for us anyway. I am Catholic. ALLELUIA! Bobbysworld28: The elders dt deserve special honour? Surely dt one is more than d one credited to Mary. Where r their statues? Surely the kind of honour u will accord these ones will be greater than dt of Mary since theirs is double. Or r u guys doing selective honour?Which Church elders do you honour? I asked you that before. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nigerian Baptist Convention by italo: 6:45am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Can someone enlighten me? What is the Baptist Church? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Facts You Should Know About Jehovah's Witnesses by italo: 6:41am On Apr 10, 2013 |
@ Pygru and frosbel... Good teachers, you say everybody else teaches and practises false doctrines. Is it only both of you that teach and practise God's true doctrine? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: One Small Question For Anti-catholics by italo: 6:26am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Bobbysworld28: Love d greatest honour given to man is God giving us his Spirit to live in us. D issue in this thread isn't abt honour. D apostle Paul wrote to us to honour our parents. Wht if I start praying to my mum or her statue since I'm copying ur interpretation of honour.But unfortunately for you and your weak argument, we ask Mary's intercession, not her statue's. Bobbysworld28: Wht then should I do abt elders of d church of whom it is written dt they deserve double honour? I Tim 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.We also give the elders of the Church honour. It is you we should be worried about. Which Church elders do you honour? Bobbysworld28: Do u c d danger & fallacy of this teaching? Honour is different from worship and u guys r mixing both up. Mary can be honoured if u must but d hail mary (a greeting) in d place of prayer is idolatryShake up your brain and make up your mind. Is "Hail Mary" a greeting or a prayer? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: In Defence Of Catholics (Accusation On Worshiping Statues) by italo: 6:13am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Segeggs: Catholics use candles just like witches and the occults do.These anti-Catholics who call themselves "Christians" know everything about occult and witchcraft. Many of the things they say, I have no idea of. You wonder how they know all these things. Could they be cultists and witches? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Mass - An in-depth analysis and shocking revelation by italo: 12:16am On Apr 10, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: *yawns* please just tell me where the bible says it is d sole authority for christians. Lenny5000: The Bible is the word of GOD so if God is not the sole authority for Christians, who is ? The Pope? Priest? Bishop? Some of the questions people ask just for argument sake! I dont argue with people cos I believe it is childish and unproductive. I only discuss and debate with matured folks reason I dont post often here.. I am not here to bash Catholicism cos I am very very close to Catholics.. Also many Catholics attend the Church because they cant see themselves attending Pentecostal because of the Huge monetary Greed going on there, but these people have dropped many of the Catholic beliefs like Praying to Mary, Rosary, Bowing to Statues of Saints in the Church! Well at the end we are all free to make our own Choices.. I take God's word (Bible) as the Sole authority and not the Laws or words of men, cos these men are not even qualified in the first place.. God says "You should not make Statues that resembles anything in Heaven, Earth or beneath the earth and bow or worship it" And Catholics makes Statues of Jesus, Mary, Joseph...etc and Bow to them. Why on earth would I wanna accept anyone that Challenges God? And for what? Go to Italy and see, some of the people who make these Statues and Paintings dont even believe in GOD and I am supposed to bow to these stones?Are you saying the Bible never said "the Bible is the sole authority for Christians?" |
.........ask the Op mÝ bro....ask the OP........
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