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Boomark: The 2nd person in your trinity brought a message from the 1st person in your trinity and said "now is the time that those that worship God must worship Him in spirit and in truth." why do you chose to disobey them by making graven images as prayer aid?

You surely don't understand Jesus.

John 4:21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

Why then did Jesus go to a mountain to pray? Why did Jesus go to the temple? Why do you go to sinners to pray for you when you should pray in truth and in spirit? You surely don't know what it means to worship God in truth and in spirit.

Boomark: Seeing pope or a pastor on tv is not an issue. Man can pray for man but the dead or spirits were not given such privilege to pray for man.

Mary and the Saints are alive.

Boomark: No matter how sinful a man is and you go to him to pray for you, once he ask God for forgiveness and went ahead to pray for you, his prayer is acceptable.

Then the prayer of those who have triumphed over sinfulness and are alive in heaven are even more acceptable.

Boomark: Where two or three are gathered in His name he is there in their midst. How can he be in your midst waiting for you to ask Him and you are asking a dead or spirit not approved by God to ask Him.

Mary and the Saints are gathered in heaven and God is in their midst in a more profound way than he is in our midst. So their prayers are far more efficacious and acceptable than ours.

seriallink: Sorry about the bolded, I actually meant 'most' catholic debaters in this section.

Can you then quote just ONE of the "MOST Catholic debaters in this section" that said "other churches are hellbound?"

Thank you.

seriallink: Brah no mind dem haters!! When Christians ask Biblical questions, you don't see them; when atheists mock God's word or ask good questions about the existence God, you don't see them. But when it's the Catholic Church, you'll see them jumping and rioting all over the place like fanatics that they are!

There is no need to lie. I have answered many questions based on the Bible, answered many Atheists and even many Muslims... And even all these Atheists and Muslims know how hypocritical anti-Catholics are. Go and read the Bible... Jesus had harsher words for hypocrites who believed in God than for sincere pagans. So don't blame us for doing same.

seriallink: I asked a question and brah striktlymi clarified me without any insult! But modern days pharisees like holydemon and his cohorts wished I never created the thread because they are guilty of doing what I wrote up there! Nonsense!!

Where have I insulted you on this thread? The only thing holyvirgin said that might be offensive is that you should get a life and a job instead of being like the Pharisees... And I honestly think that's a good advice put in a harsh way.

...And you've said worse than that on this thread so why are you complaining hypocritically?

[quote author=i.chuka]Dude even if an angel appears and tells you the truth you will not agree..Luke1:19
Moreover,Google is your friend[/quote]You have forgotten that we Catholics commune with Angels and Saints everyday, its one of the many thing the likes of you condemn us for. So I'm more likely to believe an Angel than you.

...And Google says The Catholic Church was started by Christ...and that all those churches you mentioned were one and the same, only separated by location... And they were Catholic.

Let's fac it, you have nothing credible to say, do you?

seriallink: And for you holyvirgin abi holydemon, if you don't have anything to say, you better get off my fúcking thread too your likes are the reasons why I'm beginning to hate Catholics, because what you know best is insulting folks and twisting their comments. You even went to the extend of twisting my name.

This your kind of hypocrisy is even worse than that of the Pharisees. First, you twist his name, then you accuse him of twisting your name. You call yourself a "christian" but you are "beginning to hate Catholics" because, as you say, he insults you, but I can provide a catalogue of your insults on Catholics. Besides, what does Jesus say about loving and hating?

seriallink: Why take things personal every time huh? People like you make me sick!! Are you the Catholic Church? Or a Muslim that gets angry when his/her religion is being cricticized? We are Christians, we even ask questions about our creator much less talk of a mere Church started by humans! Why have you not crucify heathens who bash Christians and God on this board everyday?

What has he said that is untrue?

holyvirgin: @serialkiller you and your anti-catholic thread! Since when do catholics believe other protestants wil go to hell? Haba, i see the likes of you and other pharisees post on how d catholics worshp mary, idols and are hell bound and you turnaround to accuse us? Get a life or may be a job

Have you answered his question? Do you not condemn Catholics accusing us of all those things?

seriallink: Check my threads, have I ever created any thread against your Church? This is my first thread on the Catholic Church and it's a sincere question for straight forward folks not twisters and hypocrites! So, if you do not have any sincere contribution to make, get off!!!

Stop pretending. He didn't say you created threadS. He said he has seen your POSTS condemning Catholics of sorts of things... Isn't that true? Don't you have dozens or maybe even hundreds of posts like that?

seriallink: I do not need your babylonic gist and questions here! Abeg get off my thread, if you no get any meaningful contribution to make jorh!!

Bigoted pharisees!! Smh for una

There goes the man who accuses Catholics of insulting him!

seriallink: Hey dude, if you don't have anything meaningful to contribute better get off my thread. I can see that you've started your normal activity (trolling)

I'm not trolling. I'm only asking you to prove your allegations against Catholics.

Just ONE quote from a Catholic saying "other churches are hell bound" shouldn't be so difficult if, as you say, most Catholics think so.

FXKing2012: Chai! this is the height of ignorance. Folks like u make me abstain from the religion board.
U are completely lost.

Since I'm very ignorant, I expect you are knowledgeable enough to show everyone how my post shows that I'm ignorant and lost.

Boomark: Italo please answer the question above.

You mean the Israelite was talking, not just before, but TO the bronze serpent, expecting the sculpture to hear him and then pray for him to God?

Were the cherubs of the Ark and the bronze serpent not graven images? Were they not used as prayer and healing aids? Was it not God that commanded that they should be made?

I have not seen the pope before too except on TV. What difference does that make. Have you never asked anyone to pray for you before? Is the person not a despicable sinner like Oritsejafor...or even worse?

Do you think asking for intercession means you don't pray for yourself at all?

How intelligent!

[quote author=i.chuka]@op, Which Church was in Existence b4 Catholic

If there is any, then that is the church... But if there isnt, u can now answer youur question urrself[/

To the angel of the Church in Ephesus..Rev2:1.
And to the angel of the Church in Smyrna..Rev2:8.
And to the angel of the Church in Pergamum Rev2:13.
And to the angel of the Church in Thyatira..Rev2:18.
And all the Churches shall know that i am He who searches mind and heart..Rev2:23.
And to the angel of the in Sardis..Rev3:1.
And to the angel of the Church in Philadelpha.Rev3:7.
And to the angel of the Church Laodice Rev3:14.[/quote]2 questions.

1. Which ONE of these Churches was Christ then talking about in Matthew 16?

2. When did each of these Churches come into existence and when did the Catholic Church come into existence? Please provide proof of your answer...so that we can see which came first.

vickyO: wHow did you know Mary and the Siants are in Heaven? Prove that to me first.

How did you know your pastors are "anointed by God"?

Prove that to me first.

seriallink: ^^^Italo the Pope why would I misinterpret your postition? Most of you Catholics on the religion section have always condemned other Churches claiming that yours is the one true Church started by Christ Himself.

Hey brah, I ain't no Church goer like I stated above, I just need answers from sincere Catholics on this! It seems most of you Catholic regulars in this section are disingenuous debaters!! Even you, italo, have quoted the scripture above many times as proof that your Church is the one and only true Church!

So, do you have anything to contribute on this topic or you're just trolling as usual?

Don't pretend like you don't know what I'm talking about. Here it is:

seriallink: I want to know your views on this because most Catholics believe they are the one true Church and other Churches are hell bound.

I challenge you to provide a quote of me or any other Catholic on nairaland saying that "other churches are hell bound."

If you can provide that, I will prove to you that that person is not in line with Church teaching...

...But if you cannot provide it, will you for once do the honourable thing by apologizing for telling another blatant lie just to discredit Catholics?

vickyO: oh goodness..... didnt men go to Paul, ELijah and other men of God in the Bible for prayers/miracles? they went to them because they were convinced they were annoited. we ask pastors to pray for us because we are convinced that they are annoited by God too. the points below clearly dissaproves of your relationship with Mary.
[color=#000000][size=8pt]1) You pray to the dead (mary is dead) and necromancy is forbidden in the Bible.
2) You pray to her to save you and do things that partains to salvation for you.
3) You make an image of her and bow to it in worship.[/color]
all of the above are alien to Christianity

Mary and the Saints are even more powerful and anointed than any pastor you can find on earth because Mary and the Saints have won the prize and are now alive in heaven with God, unlike you pastors who are still despicable sinners here on earth.

The one who is truly dead is the one living in sin. The one who is truly alive is the one who has gained eternal salvation.

All of the three points you mentioned are not things that we practise. They are mindless lies that you choose to keep repeating hoping that after repeating it a million times, it will become true.

Don't you think it is senseless for you to be telling me what MY beliefs and practices are?

seriallink: I want to know your views on this because most Catholics believe they are the one true Church and other Churches are hell bound.

Do most Catholics you meet (or even any Catholic at all) actually tell you they believe other "churches" are hellbound or you are just deliberately misrepresenting our position as usual?

Boomark: Twister!

Did vicky say she pray to her pastor? Don't you know the difference between "praying for" and "praying to." Me i pray for my self without any graven image as aid.

If a thief like Oritsejafor can pray for you, the we will keep asking the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Period.

Boomark: If you say i accuse u, sorry. But i hereby rebuke you that asking the dead or a spirit to pray for humans is not what Christ and His apostles taught us. I rebuke you again to stop using graven images as prayer aid. It is idolatry and Yahweh hates it.

Mary and the saints are not dead but alive. And God commanded the making of Graven images which were used as prayer and healing aids.

Boomark: I hope you know who is called Yahweh? He is the only true God. Worship Him in truth and in spirit through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Christ is not a scary being. He wants you to come to God through Him. That's why our God made Him our Highpriest instead of the levites/priests/prophets. That He will mediate between us and Him(God)

Then why do you go to thieves to pray for you?

I dey my broda. Hw bodi?

ifeness: Do i need to educate you on that?

No! You can only educate us on a TRUTH... I believe.

What you should do with your LIE is 'miseducate' us.

To proclaim and defend the fullness of Truth... Primarily.

Boomark: Now concerning prayer as you want to use it, protestants pray to(ask) their pastors to PRAY for them to God. This is biblical like you said above.

But you always say we shouldn't go through anyone, that Jesus is the only way to the Father. Why then do you go pray to your pastor?

Boomark: While Catholics pray to Mary PRAY to God. This is very very unbiblical. There is no where in the bible an image, the dead or a spirit is asked to pray for men.

As long as I know, Mary is alive in heaven. If you can pray to thieves like Oritsejafor, we will keep asking the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Besides, you have no right to accuse someone of doing something that is unbiblical. Nowhere in the Bible does anyone accuse anyone of doing something that is "unbiblical" so what you are doing is unbiblical.

"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was a god"

--Jehovah's witnesses Bible.

OBJECTIVE!

Or better still, God decides what is moral or not, not man.

Blessed be Jesus in the most holy sacrament of the altar.

osaxx: 1.CATHOLIC IS NOT AND NEVER A CHURCH
2.CATHOLIC IS VERY OCCULTIC
3.CATHOLICS DONT PRAY
4.ALL RITUALIST IN FESTAC TOWN ATTENDS CATHOLIC,BECAUSE THEY ARE HIGHLY WELCOMED
5.MANY CATHOLICS ATTEND MY CHURCH, WHEN THEY COME BACK FROM MORNING MASS IN CATHOLIC

You mean the same ritualists in your No. 5 and cultists in No. 2 are "highly welcomed" in your "church" just like in your No. 4?

osaxx: 6.PRACTISING SOMETHING FOR 1MILLIONS YEARS DOESN'T MEAN ITS RIGHT
7.THEY DRINK ALCOHOL IN CATHOLIC DURING BAZAAR/HARVEST
8.CATHOLICS ARE SAME AS MUSLIMS THAT IS WHY BOKO HARAM PREFER THEM
9.BOKO HARAM ATTACKS ON PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES USUALLY FAILS, BUT SUCCEED IN CATHOLIC....WHY?

You mean Boko Haram like to bomb Catholic Churches because they are both the same?

Have you seen how sensible your post is?

@ Rich4God, nice pics, thanks.

chukwudi44: Guy so you are in yaba.I worship @ st anthony gbaja,surulere

Nice... Perhaps we'll meet someday.

St. Dominic's, Yaba, Lagos. Will try to get more from friends.

I attended the Corpus Christi procession at my parish, St Dominic's, Yaba, Lagos.

Its always indescribable. How can one describe walking with God himself through the streets of Lagos and boldly proclaiming him to the world.

I'm just full of gratitude to Jesus for making himself available in the Blessed Sacrament for us.

Thank you Jesus.

I am. Perhaps, you might want to talk to me.

alexleo: Great advice. My dear Italo pls dont ignore this advice. God bles you.

Oh! So you are still alive... Thank God for that.

Why don't you then answer the question I asked you ages ago?

Who appointed the Apostolic Faith Church the authentic interpreter of the Bible for the rest of Christendom?

Ubenedictus: dear italo,
this wasnt necessary, bookmark learnt a type of christianity where he doesnt even know about the church fathers and the role they played in transmiting the Gospel. Your advise was ok though but the way you put it makes it problematic.
Peace dear!

Thank you for this. At times it can be challenging to deal with the hypocrisy.

Still we must try.

alexleo: And you have no right to condemn what people said they experienced. You can choose not to believe it. Your stand about it doesnt change anything if what they said is true.

Then why do you condemn the Catholic faith?

Just asking.

Amen, my brother.