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I will not show you where you said that the Bible is not the Word of God but the words of men (Peter, Paul, James, John etc) since you are too lazy to read your own posts.

Call me what you like but I will never forget you.

I have seen many anti-Catholics but I had never met one who will deny God's word until YOU.

ijawkid: I'm not here to malign you and your religion,I'm only here to attack paganism....

How many Babalawos and Dibias have you tried attacking then? Be honest.

ijawkid: If the pharisees saw Jesus carving marys image or some other amulets and praying through them,or using prayer beads and then castigated Jesus,I would have supported them...

You would have supported the Pharisees? Let me get you right.

ijawkid: Unlike Jesus,you italo is been reprimanded for practicing idolatry...

Jesus wasn't an idolater neither was his apostles....

What is idolatry?

ijawkid: For you to keep defending why you use prayer beads(a.k.a rosary) in worship,a custom of pagans has got me surprised...

Just like the Pharisees and Scribes were surprised to see Jesus continually defending his position...even though they thought he was using the power of the devil.

ijawkid: Even when a practice is blatantly wrong you go ahead to defend it because of the traditions of men....

They also thought that healing on the Sabbath was a tradition of man, but Jesus defended it still...

ijawkid: If I ask you to tell me how the use of the rosary came about,I know you'll run all around the place just to give an answer...

I have been asking you how the word "Bible" came about for about three years now (correct me if I am wrong) and you haven't told me. Why should I answer you?

ijawkid: If telling a brother to discard items and objects(amulets),which God says we should would strengthen his faith,then no wahala.......

I wonder how your faith is been strengthened with so much images and carvings around you....

If the Catholic Church didn't face as much criticisms and hostility as it as it has always done, I would have known that it had nothing to do with Christ who is Truth. That is how your persecution strengthens our faith.

ijawkid: I'm speaking to you as a brother and not an enemy...

Thank you..

You are persecuting God's Church.

Just go and read about Jesus and the Pharisees and Scribes. They were always looking for what Jesus was doing wrong without knowing that they were persecuting God himself...and they felt justified in what they were doing.

Boomark: Please tell me.

I can't believe this.

So you don't know what "worship" means yet you go around accusing people of worshipping all sorts of things.

What sort of Christian are you?

Aww! Sorry mate I stopped getting moved by what you say the moment you said there is no scripture.

Or did you say there is?

pastormustwacc: I DID NOT AT ANYTIME SAID CATHOLICS WERE GOING TO HELL AT ANY POINT. IN FACT, THE HOLY SPIRIT TOLD ME THAT WAS NOT TRUE IN A VISION.

So the Holy Spirit which you have had since you were a Christian just recently told you that its not true that Catholics are going to hell. Before then, you had the Holy Spirit but you were still wrong about Catholics going to hell. How many other things could you be wrong about even now...that the Holy Spirit hasn't revealed to you? I wonder.

pastormustwacc: I HAVE LOTS OF PROBLEMS WITH CATHOLIC CHURCH DOCTRINES AND STUFFS IN THE PAST YES, BUT I DONT PRONOUNCE JUDGEMENT ON PEOPLE (FOR ANY REASON).

Perhaps you are also wrong on this one. Perhaps the Holy Spirit will reveal to you that Catholics are right in their doctrines tomorrow. So you see, you people say that Catholics are deluded and stubborn. If we had agreed with you yesterday, then you come today and say the Holy Spirit told you you were wrong, we would be in the same kind of anarchy that you are. Thank God we are not. Our doctrine - being God's doctrine - never changes. It is Pastormustwacc's doctrine that keeps changing everyday, unlike God's doctrine. If you say the Holy Spirit is revealing the truth to you today, who was revealing lies to you yesterday? Surely not the same Holy Spirit. Could it be the 'father of lies' himself? I wonder.

Why don't you please ask the Holy Spirit about many of the Catholic doctrines which cause rift among many people.

1. Is the Catholic Church the one true Church founded by Christ?

2. Is Mary who the Catholic Church says she is and should you relate with her the way the Catholics do?

3. Is there purgatory?

4. Is Holy Communion God himself who came as Man who left himself for us in Bread? Is it Jesus himself as the Catholics claim or is it only a "symbol" as others say?

5. Is the Pope the Vicar of Christ on earth with power to bind or loose on earth and it will be bound or loosed in heaven?

I'm sure you'll agree that these are very serious claims that can either facilitate one's salvation or ruin it depending on whether you believe them or not. Please help us ask, I'm also praying that the Holy Spirit will give you answers that can solve many of the puzzles we face.

@ Boomark,

WHAT IS WORSHIP?

[quote author=omo_to_dun]Chei, Oturugbeke. It is always...
I am right, you are wrong. My interpretation of the Bible is more accurate than yours. Someone has even told me that if I had the Holy Spirit, then I would truly understand the Bible. What he meant was that if anyone's views are not aligned with his, then that person must not have the Holy Spirit. Everyone is claiming to be right, but logically, at most only 1 person can be.[/quote]Exactly. Only 1 can logically be right. That's why we cannot back down or water down our position. Truth is truth and it is ONE. If the ball is blue and everyone else says it is white/red/green etc, the only way to be united with them is either agree with them. But the ball is BLUE. How can we agree that it is any other colour? We can only allow you continue in your error if you won't listen to us.

We believe ours is the only ONE TRUE Church. They say there are 35000 "churches" all taught different doctrines by the same Holy Spirit.

So we leave them. How can we agree with them, my brother?

We say Holy Communion is Jesus himself, they say it is only biscuit, not Jesus. So we leave them. Everyday we go and receive Jesus and we allow them go and eat their biscuit or sliced bread in peace.

We don't bother anyone. You will hardly se Catholics bothering other people and criticizing their belief unless they enter or space with their error.

pastormustwacc: Anyone should not be encouraged.

Yes. But I think you can be more specific and call a spade a spade. Its more honest that way.

A look at the title of the thread will show you exactly who is bashing who. Yet you make it sound like you don't know.

If I were trying to kill you and in the court the judge said... "Men trying to kill men" instead of "Italo trying to kill Pastormustwacc", how would you feel?

...Afterall, there is nothing like the Word of God too. Or is there?

LMAO!

Insult me and digress all you want...

But I'm not moving from this your 'No Scripture' rant.

How can I show you that there's purgatory when you don't think the Bible is the word of God...and you don't believe in Sacred tradition?

Are you an Atheist?

@ moderator, there's no need to hide Ijawkid's post. There's nothing he will say that the Pharisees didn't say...or that hasn't been said for 2000yrs.

These things actually strengthen our faith.

@ Pastormustwacc,

Why have you included Catholics in this your 'CDC' post?

I thought, according to you, we aren't Christians. We worship Mary, statues and any other thing but God. We are in deception and are living in darkness. We are idol worshippers. How can we then be Christians...with all these things?

You people used to be in the Church, then you cut yourselves off the Church, you built shops and called them "churches," then you label The Church with all sorts of evil names, just to validate your shallow businesses and make them relevant. Now you want unity in the Church. That unity you are looking for is still in the Church, only you aren't a part of it anymore. You can't find that unity when you have turned your back on truth.

Have you not read about Jesus meeting with the High Priest? Jesus and him could have been united if Jesus had backed down on his controversial claims but of course Jesus didn't. He couldn't.

We too cannot! Ours is the ONE TRUE CHURCH founded by Christ. The body and bride of Christ. With the one true doctrine of Christ. The Holy Communion is Jesus himself. These are the issues that set us apart which we will not back down on...though we know that if we water down these truths, we will become your friends.

But we won't try to force you or go out of our way to criticize you for your error. Just don't expect us to ditch the truth we know for your error.

Do not blame me for your blasphemy.

It wasn't me who made you say the Bible is not the word of God!

pastormustwacc: Na so we see am o, christians bashing christians.

Be specific!

Anti-Catholics bashing Catholics.

Mr man, what kind of Christians are you people...so dubious. I cannot continue discussing with you if you cannot be straightforward.

Let me ask you again:

WHAT IS WORSHIP?

...And they are masters at confusing the situation to mask the truth.

Evidence abounds above.

To be born-again is to be baptized. End of story.

honeric01: If i said there was no scriptures, how come i quote from the same scriptures, does that make sense to even you the accuser?

Of course anti-Catholics seldom make sense. We have become used to it.

So if you said there are Scriptures, which books or chapters or verses are your scripture?

Mr man! You don't seem to realize all the rubbish you have written on this thread. Now you want me to be searching them out. Go and read your posts.

You are asking questions that have to do with Scripture when you have said there is no Scripture.

Or is there Scripture?

Which book is Scripture?

Are you trying to do a U-turn now? You are free o. You have seen the anarchy and mess that anti-Catholicism has put you.

So are the books of the New Testament the Word of God or the words of men?

It is important we know that before we can continue.

@ Honeric,

Okay, I also want to take the words of Jesus, like you. Show me where to find it. All I see is what MERE MEN said Jesus said, and we can't trust these mere men, can we?

How can we continue to discuss using scripture when you have said there is no scripture?

frosbel: Enjoy your Baal worship !

@ Boomark, Truthislight and the other anti-Catholics, do you also think we worship Baal? Or do you think Frosbel has lost it and should be ignored?

honeric01: No time for bush-dancing.

Whose's report are you as a christian suppose to follow? that of Jesus or that of Peter?

You don't know if Jesus taught anyone to pray? who taught the disciples how to pray? Mohammed or Gandhi?

Choose now bro.

But it was you who said we cannot trust mere men, not me. So going by your reasoning pattern, how do we know what Jesus actually did or didn't say or do, since we have no writings of Jesus and we were not there to listen to him, we only read what MERE MEN wrote.

Boomark: I respect and honor my parents. But when i want to worship God, i don't focus on the honor i give them and also on God.

What is the need of the "BUT." You see it is easy for you to accuse other people of worshipping things that are not God. Then I asked you a simple question: 'what is worship?' And you answered: "showing great respect and devotion to." You didn't add any "BUT" then o. And it was not my definition, it was YOURS. Now, when I asked if you show great respect and devotion to your parents, you say yes. So going by YOUR definition, you are worshipping your parents.

Except you want to REDEFINE 'worship.' Do you? Go ahead and give me a new definition (that would exonerate you from 'parent worship') if you want to.

Boomark: So don't focus on the image and also God when you worship him. It is idol worshiping.

How do you know what I focus on? Are you in my mind?

Boomark: Tell me who the saints are. Are they alive or dead? Do you also have a bronze snake you look unto?

John 11:26 says: "he who lives and believes in me will NEVER die. Do you believe this"

Do you believe this Boomark? Are the Saints dead or alive, Boomark?

I don't have a bronze snake but answer: why did God heal them by using a statue if as you say, we shouldn't reach God by using statues. Can't you see that what you said is contrary to what happened in the Bible?

frosbel: get rid of your idols, your holy water , rosary , crosses, statues and all those Pagan symbols if you want GOD to come near you.

I have no idols or pagan symbols...but I have always had my holy water, rosary, crosses and statues and God has always been near me...even IN me.

So why should I take your advice?

honeric01: What was the essence of Jesus teaching all his disciples how to pray if we are not to pray for ourselves in the first place?
What then is the use of the lord's prayer?
who are to pray and who are not to pray?

Sometimes i wonder why some people are Christians sef.

Now let me help you, that passage's got more to do with the newly converted Christians who knew nothing about prayers and how to pray, if you don't know how to pray, it's okay to go to others who can pray. but if you know how to pray, why then should you still go to others without praying on your own first?

How do we believe anything we read from the Bible? Afterall, according to you, they were written by mere men and so cannot be trusted. There are no scriptures. How then can we even know that Jesus taught anybody to pray? The Apostles that wrote that he taught us to pray were mere men and so they could have been telling lies, or just mistaken, abi?

numo86: Catholics are just proud,presumpteous,obstinate,deluded idol worshippers........

Jesus' detractors thought he was a proud, presumteous, obstinate, deluded blasphemer.

Thank you for strengthening our faith.

God bless you.

nextpart: Jesus never commanded that Mary should be worshiped.

Of course. And he never commanded beds to be worshipped too. Why, then, do you worship your bed?

nextpart: Even making Jesus statute for worship is idolatery.

This is not the opinion of Jesus, it is YOUR opinion.

nextpart: Where in the Bible did Catholic find praying with rosary?

It is in the same verse that the non-Catholics found where the Bible says we should read the Bible. So show me the verse and you will find where we found the Rosary in the Bible.

nextpart: The catholic way of worship is not in the Bible.

It is! You refuse to see it.

uy plus: So most chrches u'v gone to preach tithe only?? I seee!! I jst askd a simple questn, and da cathlcs r confused alrdy.. Wld also wannna know wot purgatory means, if there are any biblical inclination 2back it up..

Ah-ah! What is there on this thread to suggest that Catholics are confused? Do you just get up and say anything you like?

I answered your post and asked you questions which you must have seen but pretended not to see (correct me if I'm wrong).

Here is my post again and pls answer my questions.

italo: You don't want to know why non-Catholics kneel and bow to their beds? Is bowing to a bed not idolatry?

Are you sure the Bible condemns repetitive prayers of Catholics?

Rev 4:8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy

is the Lord God Almighty,’

who was, and is, and is to come.”

These heavenly beings are obviously very Catholic then. They keep repeating the same prayer forever and ever.

Jesus is also Catholic. He prayed the the cup should pass over him using the same thing THREE times.

The Bible condemns all of us, right?

truthislight: ^^^

here it is.
From Jesus mouth.

"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. " (John 4:23-24).

Amen! I believe that. But where in those verses does it say that "worshipping God in truth and in spirit MEANS that crosses and statues must not be around you anytime you worship him."

Please don't turn this into a shouting battle o. Just quietly show me what part of those two verses contain it or admit that the Bible does not say so.

Thank you.

honeric01: Who cares about Catholics? i don't care about any religious body be it penticostal, baptist or anglican, i am only concerned about what Jesus taught us his followers. did Jesus say we should go to others to pray for us when we are sick? Paul and peter didn't agree on alot of teachings because the man in them kept taking over them. Jesus that even taught all his disciples how to pray won't tell any of his followers to go to others to pray for them when they haven't even prayed on their own.

LMAO!!! My eyes have seen a new one today. See what anti-Catholicism can do to a so-called Christian!

The letter of St. James is not Scripture.

Meaning it wasn't inspired by the Holy Spirit. That's why he could teach error.

The only thing that is Scripture is what Jesus said.

And what Jesus said was relayed to us by mere men like St. James...

So we cannot trust them to be correct.

To summarize: There is no Scripture at all.

This is the gospel according to the Honeric01

ijawkid: Get away!!!!!!........keep deluding yourself with your amulets.......

I'm sure you don't even understand what you just said too...

honeric01: the only time i'd recommend any christian to go for others to pray for them is when their own faith is not enough to move God.

This is in contradiction to St. James' opinion...and I am sure he knows more than you. He think we should have others pray for us when we are sick. No mention of "enough faith to move God" or not. That one is your own addition.