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chowlade:
Na lie Igbos r d No 1 problem in Nigeria after that is corruption.

Because you're young men are ignoring you and running after their girls?

Sorry.

MuttleyLaff:
https://s8.postimg.org/tktl1ubqd/heaven.jpg
You'll be surprised of seeing many,
without physical or literal water baptism,
being found in the Kingdom of God.

If like me, Jesus is your Pastor.
If like me, Jesus alone, really is your reference and not any pastor, neither any doctrine, THEN kindly please:
#1 show us in any of the Gospel accounts, where Jesus commanded physical or literal water baptism in order to be saved
#2 show us where Jesus ever, by doctrine or otherwise, publicly or personally told anyone to be baptized with physical or literal water
#2b show us where Jesus recommended or directly advised ritual washings with physical water or literal water for purification
(i.e. baptism a la John the Baptist)
#3 tell us how many people to your knowledge Jesus baptised with physical or literal water
#4 tell us how many people to your knowledge Paul baptised with physical or literal water and why not more than that number
#5 expound the poetic device in John 3:5

PS: Just saw esere826's up there. Welldone!
(i.e. particularly impressed of the "we are saved by both faith and baptism (not water baptism)" and
"are baptised (immersive knowledge and oneness) into the Father, Son and Spirit" bits among other parts)

John 3:22 After this Jesus and his disciples went into the Judean countryside, and he spent some time there with them and baptized.

esere826:
my thoughts>>
we are saved by both faith and baptism (not water baptism) as one
dem all join

When you put together the two writers (Book of Mark and Mathew)who tried to capture Jesus closing statement
it goes like this:

Go into the world and preach the good news. when someone believes, ensure that they are baptised (immersive knowledge and oneness) into the Father, Son and Spirit.
If this is done, they shall be saved through all times just as you have been saved through all times. If they do not believe, well they will remain in the condemnation that is bequeathed by the first birth.
These are some of the characteristics of what save means. The believe and baptism in the three will ensure that that they speak with new tongues and rebuke the sting of death and demons.

Do you believe it when the Holy Spirit says in Acts 2:38 & 22:16 that baptism remits sins?

Scholar8200:
Serious allegation! So you mean i contradict the Holy Spirit by quoting from the same scriptures inspired by the Holy Spirit? I guess what I am contradicting is your view. Or you may like to show me my personal words (not Bible quotes) that contradict that which the Spirit inspired.

I will show you where you contradicted the Holy Spirit again. Not my words, but the Holy Spirit's words vs your personal words.

Scholar8200:
Of course they were talking of water baptism.
My reply was that Acts 22:16 was not saying water baptism washes away sins! If you read the account being narrated in Acts 9,you will realize that the person Paul was quoting already called him a brother(he was saved by then).

The Holy Spirit:
Act22:16 And now why do you delay? Get up, be baptized, and have your sins washed away, calling on his name.’

"Then Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptised every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38)

Do you believe these verses are true?

Scholar8200:
Who then inspired the ones quoted which you said you also believed? What else do they say?But they sure say we are saved by our faith in the redemption in Christ's blood.

Do you believe that the Lord's supper can be taken unworthily?

In the Bible, none was baptised before they truly believed! And Romans 10:10 tells us salvation is by faith.

I am not saying a person should not be baptised but not before he genuinely repents and surrenders to Christ and his faith is attested to by a newness of life.

You didn't answer the question. You dubiously avoided it as usual.

Do you believe Acts2:38 22:16 when they say Baptism remits sins?

herald9:
Even his son didn't give her any special treatment while he was alive.

Its just Catholics who are looking for what to worship that like bestowing celestial positions to whom they deem fit.

If you research the bible properly from the old testament, you'll see that god rarely used women, and all the major acts where men. To the old testament, a woman was just a subset and therefore had relatively little or no importance.

Fastforwad to the new testament, how many of Jesus' disciples where females? How many of the women were made apostles?

If you didn't know the Jews were terrible misogynists, now you know.

If you relate it to the story of Mary, you'll see why she doesn't deserve that type of exaltation and You're going against the cultures and traditions of the Jews- who are your masters.

AND YOUR MAIN LOGIC HERE IS:

GOD MADE THE TREE,
IF I WORSHIP THE TREE,
THEREFORE I'M WORSHIPPING GOD......
Is that right?

Well, I'm not disrespecting her, I'm just substituting 'hail' for 'hell'.

I don't understand your point here.

This thread is about a woman supposedly greater than Mary...and we have proved that wrong.

Make your other allegation clear.

Scholar8200:
The yielding of oneself to water baptism is an act of faith, a testimony of surrendering to the Lordship of Jesus Christ after trusting Him as Saviour. The faith that precedes baptism (faith that is in the redemption in His blood) is the intent here.

Romans 10:10
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Baptism is done after believing and not before.

Sans this faith and its evidence, water baptism (like the Lord's supper) will be done to the unworthy.










Did you notice this:
Revelations 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

and have ye never read:
Revelations 7:14
... These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

I believe all the verses you quoted. None of them says that baptism does not remit sins.

Do you believe Acts2:38 and 22:16 when they say Baptism remits sins?

Or do you think the Holy Spirit was mistaken?

adsonstone:
Okay Sir, you win!
Congratulations!

....but it doesn't change facts like;
1.Banishment entails total disconnection from one's homeland.

In your Yoruba lie lie dictionary, I guess. Show me proof from an English dictionary.

adsonstone:
2.Presently and historically, Lagos was and still a part of 'Yorubaland.'

3. Virtually 100% of its indigenes are Yorubas or Yoruba related.

4. Yorubas are accommodating according to Lagos State Govt. And Wikipedia and several other sources.

And Lagos is a no man's land full of mannerless and lazy Yoruba people looking for how to harass innocent citizens and extort them.

adsonstone:
Yet they describe their land as a 'no man's land'----that tells me they're really accommodating....and honest too.

Maybe because that fact is undeniable.

adsonstone:
The fact that historically, the Yorubas have the least engaged in wars and in modern times, Yorubaland has the highest number/percentage of non-yoruba living in it, that further prove that Yorubas are truly friendly and accommodating as described by the Lagos state Govt. and wikipedia.

You have no shred of evidence for the bold. If they are true, it could be because Yorubas are cowards, and lazier than other tribe who find it easy to thrive in Yoruba land because the indegenes won't do anything.

adsonstone:
You chose to believe Lagos is a 'no-man's-land' yet, you're finding it really hard to accept that Yorubas are accommodating.

It seems its not only dishonesty and hypocrisy your issue is.

I have a reason to doubt the good they say because they are Yorubas so they can lie to make themselves seem good. I have no reason to doubt that Lagos is no man's land. Why would they lie to disadvantage themselves?

adsonstone:
Hatred and envy for the Yorubas is eating you up.

Free up yourself, it would really help you.

I only quoted Lagos Govt. Maybe hatred and envy is eating them up.

I don't hate Yorubas. I only hate some of the things they do, just like other tribes.

There is nothing to envy Yorubas for. Nothing! Or do you know any?

Scholar8200:
Of course they were talking of water baptism.
My reply was that Acts 22:16 was not saying water baptism washes away sins! If you read the account being narrated in Acts 9,you will realize that the person Paul was quoting already called him a brother(he was saved by then).

Revelations 1:5 tells us what does the washing:

and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Act22:16 And now why do you delay? Get up, be baptized, and have your sins washed away, calling on his name.’

"Then Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptised every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38)

Who is wrong between you and the Holy Spirit who inspired Acts22:16 and 2:38?

Don't you ever feel remorse for openly contradicting and challenging the Holy Spirit?

adsonstone:
I did not claim the Govt. said that 'categorically.'

This is what was said;

Prior to the Portuguese name of Lagos being
adopted, Lagos was originally called Eko, which stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko ("war camp"

Don't worry about the name anymore. It was meant to buttress my point that Lagos was a Benin colony...which you have already agreed to.

adsonstone:
1. The fact that Lagos State Govt. describe

Lagos as 'No man's land' (rephrased) does not contradict the fact that:
a. Presently and historically, Lagos was and still a part of 'Yorubaland.'
b. Virtually 100% of its indigenes are Yorubas or Yoruba related.

In spite of what you said, Lagos is no man's land...according to the govt.

adsonstone:
2. It is improper to describe Oduduwa as a Bini Man...infact, he bluntly refused to return to Bini even to govern them, rather, he sent his son.

There are many Nigerians that have refused to return to Nigeria. They are still Nigerians.

adsonstone:
Tell that to the Lagos State Govt. and Wikipedia who described them as that.

Wikipedia is open source. Even you can update it. Lagos State Govt are mainly Yorubas. We expect them to say good about Yorubas.

However, when you and I walk the streets of Lagos, we see a multitude of aggressive and mannerless Yoruba young men ready to harass and attack anybody at any given opportunity.

But then, you revel in falsehood.

adsonstone:
Tell that to the Lagos State Govt.

Yorubas are calm, peace-loving and accommodating people! Deal with that!

I see that everyday as Yoruba omo oniles harass innocent and hardworking developers. I see that as Yoruba agberos harass and attack innocent and hardworking motorists and commuters. And all these thugs are supported and used by Yoruba obas.

I see!

Scholar8200:
The key word here is repentance.A person who genuinely repents,trusting in Christ, but was not chanced to be baptised in water is saved; another who does not repent, holding on to sin and its guilt but is baptised, comes out the same.
This was said to a Paul who had already met Christ and surrendered his life, after three days of settling things with God in the closet. He was already saved. The highlighted was not dependent on the baptism but was used because of the faith and understanding that should normally precede water baptism.
If you remove the statement in parenthesis, this is what you will get:
The like figure whereunto even baptism does also now save us by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This baptism is not water baptism. It refers to the activity of the Holy Spirit by which we become saved and a member of the Body of Christ. see 1 Corinth 12:13
13 For by [[d]means of the personal agency of] one [Holy] Spirit we were all, whether Jews or Greeks, slaves or free, baptized [and by baptism united together] into one body, and all made to drink of one [Holy] Spirit.

In Acts 2:38 and 22:16, where they not talking of water baptism?

herald9:
ProphetUdeme has some points there...

But these blind, hypocritical Catholics will do anything to defend their ignorance...


Hell Mary!

Judges5:24 "Most blessed of women be Jael,
    the wife of Heber the Kenite,
    of tent-dwelling women most blessed."

What point does he have?

adsonstone:
Eko may refer to 'abode' or 'war settlement.'

Though those words may not have direct or exact translations.

Just beating around the bush.

Eko is an Edo word. Deal with it!

adsonstone:
No, I'm not.
Seems you're the one implying you know the history of Lagos more than its Govt that said the name has Yoruba roots.
Or are you simply pained about that fact?

Please show me where the Govt said categorically that Eko has Yoruba roots.

adsonstone:

No, [b]Bini conquered Lagos.
Bini colonized Lagos.[/b]
The British Empire subdued and colonized Bini.


No one is disputing that.

Then what is your argument about?

adsonstone:
You tell why, you claimed Bini empire reached present day Benin Republic....your source does not confirm that.

Dahomey was changed to Benin Republic in 1975---- about 15 years after their independence in 1960.


History tells that only the powerful Oyo empire reached the present Benin Republic and not the Bini empire.

The name Dahomey is an abbreviation of "Isidahomen" who was a Bini General that conquered that land. People still bear Isidahomen today in Edo State. Togo named a university and hotel after the Bini kingdom. Universite du Benin, Lome. Republic of Benin was named after Benin Kingdom after the Late Oba Akenzua granted permission in 1974. Gnassingbe Eyadema said publicly that the people of Togo trace their roots to Bini Kingdom. Even the Ga people of Ghana are from Bini Kingdom. Oduduwa was from Bini. All the Kingdoms in Delta State and Onitsha were under the great Bini Empire.

Benin tradition and history is too detailed to be twisted with your fake historical revision.

adsonstone:
1. Must they always fight? Besides, who told you they did not fight?

2. If tomorrow, the Lagos State Govt. says Lagos is an Igboland, would that be true? or does it make Lagos an Igboland?

Answer honestly if you can ever be honest.

No. That is why the Lagos Govt hasn't said so.

Are you trying to imply that you know the history of Lagos more than the Lagos State Govt...and the Govt is ignorant of its history?

adsonstone:
Those words have roots in Bini language.

You don't need to try to turn it upside down


Who should stop lying?
Your Lagos State Govt source?

Not just your Lagos State government source;
Here's what Wikipedia has to say:

"Prior to Lagos being adopted, the settlement
was called Eko by its Kingdom of Benin
conquerors, which stems from either Oko
(Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko ("war camp"."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lagos

Maybe Lagos State govt. copied Wikipedia or vice versa


If an English Man calls 'Chiedozie' (an igbo boy,) 'Chedzoy,' does that make 'Chedzoy' an English word?

Are you still trying to prove that Benin did not colonize Lagos?

Look at the bold and answer!

adsonstone:
There are no lies here.

Prince Ekaladerhan was banished from Bini, banishment then, entails total disconnection from the region. Once a person is banished then in bini, he ceases to be a member of that community...this act is very similar to excommunication in the Roman Catholic Church.

History wise, Prince Ekaladerhan is not fit to be called a bini man...just as Martin Luther isn't fit to be regarded as a Roman Catholic Priest.

A Bini man that is banished is a Bini man.

If you disown your son, he would still be your son.

adsonstone:
You call the Aworis cowardly?

Your source says they are peace loving people, not cowards.

Your Yoruba Lagos Govt source said that to dignify Yorubas. They are cowards now...as they were then.

adsonstone:
You tell why, you claimed Bini empire reached present day Benin Republic....your source does not confirm that.

Dahomey was changed to Benin Republic in 1975---- about 15 years after their independence in 1960.


History tells that only the powerful Oyo empire reached the present Benin Republic and not the Bini empire.

Is there a space between Lagos and Benin Republic?

Powerful Oyo empire that was founded and ruled by a Bini Prince and his descendants.

tiger28:
shut up there, we know the ONLY tribe that's jostling for other people's land. The nupes aren't, the Ijaws aren't , the hausas aren't, the idomas aren't , even the Binis aren't but we know the only ones that have been beating their chest about this issues always.

The Hausas are constantly fighting the indigenes in Jos. Fulanis are destroying indigenes farms all over the country and killing hundreds of indegenes. The Warri crisis saw Itsekiri, Urhobos, Ijaws, Isokos fight over the city of Warri.

Binis colonized Lagos, according to Lagos State Govt. The Fulanis colonized Ilorin. The British colonized Lagos.

Igbos have not laid a finger on anyone, yet they are the ones being maligned.

You are ignorant...and that is why you're making such senseless comment.

When you are enlightened, you will be freed from the dark shackles of undue hatred and envy for people who are doing better than you.

Lateralmaths:
What prize was Paul running for?
Definetly not salvation.
There is a prize attached to our grace enabled works.

What prize that is not salvation? Ice cream?

James2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

What is James referring to here? Salvation or Ice cream?

hahn:
One of the reasons why people do not bother to research about their history is because they are scared to find out the truth.

Its easier to live in a lie as long as it massages ones ego and gives one a sense of self worth. Unfortunately, we live in a country where reviewing of information/knowledge/history is not regarded as relevant

Very true.

adsonstone:
Your source says Lagos was called "Eko" by the binis....it also says the word stems from yoruba source.

"Lagos was originally called Eko, which
stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm"
or Eko (war camp)."


If an English Man calls 'Chiedozie' (an igbo boy,) 'Chedzoy,' does that make 'Chedzoy' an English word?

It is not my source, it is your Yoruba Lagos Govt source trying what they can to make the story a little dignifying for Yorubas.

Stop lying. "Eko" has no meaning in Yoruba.

Lie some more...

What is the Yoruba meaning of Idumota, Idumagbo, Eletu Odibo, Obanikoro etc?

All these words are Edo words of corruption of them.

They bear witness to Lagos being a Benin colony.

adsonstone:
No, rather the Binis are subject to the Yorubas.

Oduduwa is a contraction of the name.

Tell us the meaning of 'Oduduwa' (as it is) in Bini.

Oduduwa has no meaning in Yoruba or Edo language. It is a corruption of the Bini name "Imadoduwa" which means "I did not miss the path to glory."

Oduduwa was Bini Prince Ekaladerhan Imadoduwa. He didn't fall from the sky as Yoruba lying "scholars" say.

The Lagos State Govt admits that Bini Prince Ado conquered the cowardly Aworis without a shot...and you are here lying that Binis are subject to Yorubas.

Anyway I have always known you to revel in lies.

tiger28:
Yorubas love their homeland so much that you can NEVER see them going crazy over other people's land. You can never find them in the north and other areas of Nigeria fighting for indigineship in ANY state or disrespecting their host or claiming their host land is a no man's Land. Because they love and are proud of their homeland and this goes to most of the other tribes in Nigeria. But you will always find this ONLY 1 tribe doing otherwise .it's ONLY them . Now tell me anywhere in lagos state that their King is an emir or obi?from epe to Isolo to ikorodu even sef ikoyi (onikoyi of ikoyi) they are all Obas even the small areas have Baales. So whoever term Lagos as a no man's Land is obviously a BASTARD. .....this is the consequence of Babies being born in Baby factories all over that place. How can they love their place when they can't even know how they were born or who their real fathers are.?? I have said it before, one day you will push the omoniles and by the time the agberos get in the mix? Na another story o. I word is enough ....

1. Yorubas don't love their homeland. They are just cowardly and lazy. That's why they gave up their land to the British, the Binis (Lagos) and the Fulanis (Kwara) without a fight.

2. It is the Lagos State Govt that called Lagos "no man's land," not Igbos or anyone else.

adsonstone:
The bold is a lie.

Go back to your facts and educate yourself.

Then why was the name of the country changed from "Dahomey" to "Benin?"

"He established a hereditary succession to the throne and vastly expanded the territory of the Benin kingdom, which by the mid-16th century extended from the Niger River delta in the east to what is now Lagos in the west. (Lagos was in fact founded by a Benin army and continued to pay tribute to the oba of Benin until the end of the 19th century.)"

http://www.britannica.com/place/Benin-historical-kingdom-West-Africa

After Lagos, it is Benin Republic to the west.

Lateralmaths:
Salvation is a gift, not o prize to be won.

1Cor9:24 Do you not know that in a race the runners all compete, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win it.

Lateralmaths:
In other words you are saying that Christ's redemption is completed/perfected by man?

2Cor9:27 but I punish my body and enslave it, so that after proclaiming to others I myself should not be disqualified.

Col1:24 I am now rejoicing in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am completing what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church.

It is safe to say that Lateralmaths is not a Christian, like St. Paul.