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Barnabaseloka:
Anything done under the guidance of the Holy Spirit is erro-free, but if done by the wisdom of man is error-prone.
If those that wrote them did so with human wisdon, then what we have contain errors and christians cannot boast of having the truth. Anything done of the flesh (human wisdom) is of the flesh and has errors, but anything done of the Spirit is of the Spirit and is error-free.

If you feel that what you have contains error, so be it to you. It also shows how shaky and uncertain you are in your belief in Christ.
1 Corinth 12:3 '.... And no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
If sb cannot say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit, how much more those that wrote and compiled the Scriptures we have today?

All that is required is that you quote from the bible you have while others quote from the ones they have, then we shall know whether the interpretation is the same while comparing them with other passages.

Still dodging simple questions in the usual dubious protestant/pentecostal style. Let me post them again:


Show me where the Bible says Luke was under the influence of the Holy Spirit?

A lot was written, both good, ordinary and bad.

Compilation involved picking the inspired and removing the uninspired from circulation in the Church and among the people of God.

Was God's Church infallible in doing that or where they error-prone?

Barnabaseloka:
Luke 1:1-3
1. Inasmuchas many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us,
2. just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word, delivered them to us.
3. It seems good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus,
4. that you may know the certainty of those things in which you were instructed.
Do you want me to believe that there are mistakes made in the Scriptures?
Ps.12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words. Like silver tried in the furnace of earth, purified seven times.
I will not argue with you on this again. If you believe that there are mistakes in the Scriptures, so be it to you. It also means that what we believe contains mistakes and our faith in Christ has error. For me; God's word is error-free. Any error seen is as a result of misinterpretation.

You still can't show me where the Bible said Luke wrote the book of Luke, and that it was tried and found to be error free. Because in biblical times, "scripture" meant Old Testament. Many of the books of the New Testament were not even written then.

Also, who is error-free? God alone or God and Bible writers alone?

Scholar8200:
The Word (Eternal from the beginning) was made flesh (not before stripping Himself of the Divine attributes as Philippians 2 reveals)and by the Power of the Spirit Mary was used as the human vehicle to bring Him to this world. While He (in the nature of man, Divinity being stripped) was a child, Mary was His mother.

However, the fact that He took of Divinity (philippians 2) already makes the title mother of God, void ab initio. Else why would Jesus pray thus

John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

He was here praying for something to come (of course not before the cross) after His resurrection. The glory which He had to strip Himself of to become a man. Why pray? It's one of the ordinances (matthew 7:7) on which the world operates and He was not exempted.

From the above epistle, are you saying that the Jesus who lived in the womb of Mary, who walked the streets of Israel, who was crucified at Calvary, was a mere man, not God?

jnrbayano:
Not only prayers. Where is the location jare?

I just wan meet person mama, you don dey ask of location...

I bow to u oo

FrancisTony:
We will surely pray for you.

Good Lord, Mrs Italo is on her way.

So na d only thing wey u see for my post be that...lol...

Thanks sha. How bodi?

Barnabaseloka:
Yes in God all believers are alive. Does it mean that they will not die physically? As long as Christ has not come, people will continue to die, physically. But when He appears, believers will never die again. This is b/c those that died before His coming will be raised to life, while those that are alive when He comes will be changed to immortality. Human beings are dust and to dust they will return.

You didn't answer my questions. I didn't ask if all believers are alive or not. Here they are again. Please put aside this dubious protestant/pentecostal behaviour and be straightforward for once in your life.

Where Moses and Elijah alive at the transfiguration?

Was Abraham alive in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man?

Finally: Rev 6:10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”
Who were they and where they alive?

Scholar8200:
You misunderstood my reply. I was trying to amplify that statement hence the quote from Philippians showing that He came shorn of the Divine Attributes. Of course the child did not fall from the sky!

No need to beat around the bush.

I said Jesus existed before Mary yet the Angel called Mary his "mother."

You asked me to show you biblical evidence and I showed you:

Matt 2:13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt.

You replied: "take the child is what was said bro."

Who is fooling who?

Is Mary the Mother of Jesus who is God? Yes or no?

Have you seen the verse where the Angel called Mary his mother? Yes or no?

MariaGoretti:
Have you ever prayed and received instant answer to your prayer?

It happened to me today!!

Helo brethen!!

Thank God for you.

Sometimes God does something for me without/before my asking. Sometimes, it can be as little as making someone's car stop working when he's rushing to park where I wanted to park. Sometimes it can be as disastrous as afflicting someone with an injury or ailment when they're witch-hunting me. Sometimes I pray in the morning, only to realize that God has set the answer in motion yesterday night...as if he knew I'd pray for that thing (of course he knows)

God is good...God is God.

Good morning friends.

I came to Lagos yesternight to meet the mother of my 'wife-to-be.'

Please pray for me.

HopeAlive14:
Please tell me what led Luke and Mark other than the Holy Spirit.

You said it was the Holy Spirit. And I said show me where the Bible says so.

HopeAlive14:
Please tell me the spirit that led those who compiled the Bible.

You said it was the Holy Spirit and I said show me where the Bible said so.

HopeAlive14:
Please know that any church that do not have the Spirit of God is a dead church and any teaching emanating from that church is falsehood.

You said God's Church can teach error. Are you now saying God's Church can be dead?

Barnabaseloka:
It is not a church that wrote the Scriptures. Men who wrote the scriptures did so under the influence of the Holy Spirit. After the writing came the compilation. Remember that there were scribes in the olden days who put down events happened in papers. Compilation is gathering what have been written.

Show me where the Bible says Luke was under the influence of the Holy Spirit?

A lot was written, both good, ordinary and bad.

Compilation involved picking the inspired and removing the uninspired from circulation in the Church and among the people of God.

Was God's Church infallible in doing that or where they error-prone?

Barnabaseloka:
Luke recorded events as they happened. There was no error in his write-up. The error comes when one misquotes or misinterpretes that which has been written. Only God is error-free, so are the things written in the Scriptures. These words written in the scriptures have been tried and found pure.

Who told you it was Luke that recorded it?

Who told you it was error-free?

Who tried it and found it pure?

Is it only God that is error-free or it is God and men that wrote scriptures?

Please tell me!

Barnabaseloka:
See how you have misquoted the Scriptures. Whkch Mary was Jesus talking to?

John 3:25-26
25. Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he MAY DIE, he shall live.
26. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?

1 Thes.4:13-14,16-17
13. But I do not want you to be ignorant brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep (died), lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
14. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep (died) in Jesus.
16. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and the DEAD in Christ will rise first.
17. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And that we shall always be with the Lord.

Rev.21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying...'
Acts 7:60 Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, Lord do not charge them with this sin. And when he had said this, he fell asleep (died).
John 21:19 Then He spoke signifying by what death he (Peter) would glorify God. And when He had spoken this, He said to him, Follow Me.

So long as Jesus has not yet come again, people will continue to die. But our hope as believers is that the dead in Christ will rise, never to die again, while those who are alive will be changed into immortality within a twinkle of an eye.

Luke 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive

Where Moses and Elijah alive at the transfiguration?
Was Abraham alive in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man?

Finally: Rev 6:10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”

Who were they and where they alive?

HopeAlive14:
WHERE was it written that the Catholic Church compiled the Bible?

HopeAlive14:
Ntcanon.org did not say the Bible was written by the Roman Catholic Church.
Stil research further.

The bold highlights the hypocrisy and dubious nature of protestants.

Just when I give you the answer, you change the question.

HopeAlive14:
"God's Church" led by the Spirit of God, that wrote and compiled Scripture did not do it in error.

But a "God's Church" being humans, and without help from the Holy Spirit, can teach Scipture in error.

Show me where you heard that Luke and Mark were led by the Holy Spirit.

Show me where you heard that the compilation was led by the Holy Spirit.

Show me where you heard that the Holy Spirit can leave God's Church to teach error to God's people thereby putting them at risk of going to hell.

Scholar8200:
No need to get worked up, which lie is that?

I appreciate your smileys! Shows the right attitude to the discussion! Take the child was what was said bro! Pls read Philipians 2:6 - 8

HopeAlive14:
Scripture reference please.

John 11:26.

It is ignorance that makes you say what you're saying.

You still haven't said if you insist on the fallacy that motherly role is limited to instructing a child.

HopeAlive14:
WHERE was it written that the Catholic Church compiled the Bible?

Ntcanon.org

It is ignorance that makes you say what you're saying.

HopeAlive14:
The ONLY Being who is error free is God.

So St. Luke could teach error?

HopeAlive14:
Let's not equate the Almighty God with human beings.

My father is dead and buried. Is he still praying for me?

Mary is dead and buried. Is she still praying, supporting or caring for Jesus from the grave? Or any other person?

Jesus said Mary is alive.

You limited motherly role to telling a child what to do.

Do you still insist on that fallacy?

Barnabaseloka:
There is a difference b/w compilation and writing that which is compiled. You are the one saying that it was the catholic church that compiled the bible. I never said so! All I said was that whether it was compiled by the catholic church or not, it means nothing. What matters is that one obeys that which has been compiled, though comparing scripture with scripture.
Yes God's church can teach error if it misquotes and misinterpretes the Scriptures.

If God's Church can teach error, then the scriptures can be erroneous, since it is God's Church that wrote and compiled it.

You continue to blaspheme!

Barnabaseloka:
I did not call the Holy Spirit a liar. I said that Mary's MOTHERLY ROLE ceased when Jesus started His ministry, in that He obeyed ONLY God. Everything Jesus did was as directed by God, through the Holy Spirit, and not by any human being. I did not say that Mary was not His mother.

So a mother's role is only in having the child obey her?

Your mother's role in your life is just to tell you what to do?

She doesn't care for you, help you, support you,..your mother doesn't pray for you?

No wonder you are so confused.

Scholar8200:
I appreciate your smileys! Shows the right attitude to the discussion! Take the child was what was said bro! Pls read Philipians 2:6 - 8

6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[b]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not [c]think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped [d]or retained,
7 But stripped Himself [of all privileges and [e]rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.
8 And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross!

When the Word became flesh, He was stripped of all Privileges of Deity.

The highlighted is not in scripture! It never said He'll be King based on the order of David!
This does not apply to Jesus in any way. His kingdom was not an earthly one!
Did Solomon sit at the right hand of David? But David prophesied saying:
Psalm 110:1

The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand,
until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Where is Mary here? It seems you people are sharing the Glory between Christ and Mary! from sinless conception, to redemption and intercessory office even to the Throne!

But see
Hebrews 7:25
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Jesus does the intercession in Heaven , not Mary.

Psalm 45:11 shows that the reference was one who was surrendered to the Lordship of Christ'

Psalm 45:11
so shall the king greatly desire thy beautywill this be said of a mother to her son!)
for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him.

This prophecy about the church used the imagery of how Ruth a moabite left her people and joined the people of God and how she became one of the ancestors of David. Mary did not need to leave her people!
The parable of the 10 virgins further shows how the Church (Bride of Christ) is considered.




Yes blessed for a one time, and not eternal, privilege of being used by God for His purpose. Just like Abraham is still regarded as blessed today!
Even Abraham who is expressedly called, in scripture, the father of those that believe is not thus adored!
Called out ones is a translation of the word ekklesia meaning Church.
Not my decision! Or have you also decided that Mary was given the wings of an eagle with which she fled to the wilderness!? (Elijah's chariots of fire led to heaven you know!)The book of Revelations uses these symbols in some places.
If you read the chapter and verse, you will see the time that the woman (Israel) will spend in the wilderness as confirmed by the length of the tribulation as shown in Daniel and Revelations viz 3 1/2 years. This surely has nothing to do with Mary but everything to do with the Israelites during the great tribulation!

Even after quoting the verse that says "take the child and his mother," you still lie openly and shamelessly.

How can any reasonable person discuss with you?

One question: In your protestant gatherings, do they pluck out the eyes and brains of the congregants?

Barnabaseloka:
Never will the devil's worshippers compile the bible and go ahead to tell us how to obey God, live godly lives and make heaven at last. A nation divided cannot stand. That I said I have not done research on how the bible was compiled does not mean that the Holy Spirit bears no witness to us that the ones compiled are true. When we go astray, the Holy Spirit makes it clear through the same scompiled scriptures that we have erred. As long as the words I have in the bible i hold give the same understanding /meaning /interpretation to the one you hold, that is the final point.

So the Catholic Church that compiled the Bible is God's Church.

Can God's Church teach error?

Barnabaseloka:
No. Do you expect everything they said to be compiled? Obey the ones you have with you before talking about going for the complete one. You have got more than enough at your disposal, so make do with them, first.

I'm obeying the ones I have which include scripture and Church tradition.

That is why I accept the Bible, because Church tradition gave it to us.

Did scripture say anywhere that Christians should compile or read bible?

Barnabaseloka:
Ok. I don't know b/c I have not really got time to do research on it.

You don't know who compiled it and you are using it as an authority on Christian matters. What if it was compiled by devil worshippers who included some deceptive verses and excluded important ones?

Barnabaseloka:
Are you satisfied now? Tell me who compiled the bible.

The Catholic Church compiled the Bible in the fourth century. It used the same authority, tradition and spiritual insight it has to do the following:

1. Declare Mary the Mother of God.
2. Decide which books are scripture and which aren't.
3. Declare the Canon of scripture closed.
Etc.

If they erred, and Mary is not the mother of God, then they could have also erred, and maybe Revelations or Luke or Matthew is not scripture.

And perhaps canon of scripture is still open so the Holy spirit could inspire me or you or Pope or Pastor TB Joshua to write scripture.

I say they didn't/cannot err in teachings of faith and morals.

What do you say?

Barnabaseloka:
No one doubts the fact that Mary was the mother of Jesus on earth. Her motherly role ceased when Jesus started His ministry, obeying ONLY God,
14.

This is what opposition to God's Catholic Church does to a man. He becomes like the proverbial man whom the gods, when intending to destroy him, first make him deaf.

John 19:25 - Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen

First you called Jesus a liar by saying his time had come when he said it hadn't come.

Again you call the Holy Spirit a liar.

Scholar8200:
Kindly show us where this is in the Bible.

Matt 2:13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt

So do you now agree that Mary is the mother of Jesus who is God?

Scholar8200:
This is not Mary but the Bride of Christ, the Church, in prophecy. Proof? see

Psalm 45:10,11

Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear;
forget also thine own people, and thy father’s house;

11 so shall the king greatly desire thy beauty:
for he is thy Lord ; and worship thou him.

The reference is to the called out ones who have surrendered to the Lordship of Christ!

Revelations 19:7,8 explains further
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

In the Jewish culture, a Davidic King would have his mother as Queen rather than his wife.

Almost every time a new king is introduced in 1 and 2 Kings, the king’s mother is mentioned. She was a member of the royal court, wore a crown, sat on a throne, and shared in the king’s reign (2 Kings 24:12, 15; Jer. 13:18–20). She acted as counselor to her son (Prov. 31), an advocate of the people, and as an intercessor for the citizens of the kingdom (1 Kings 2:17–20). Since Jesus is a King based on the order of David, it makes sense that His mother would be called Queen.

In 1 Kings 2:20, Solomon said to his Mother Bathsheba, seated on a throne at his right, "Make your request, Mother, for I will not refuse you

Do you know these?

Scholar8200:
This was a symbol of Israel hence the twelve stars on the crown are the 12 tribes. Revelations makes use of symbols just like Jesus is called the Lamb with Seven Horns (symbolizing perfection of Strength) etc Israel, being the nation through which the Messiah will come has been under intense attack from the dragon (satan).

See Revelations 12:14

And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Note that it did not say she flew to[b] heaven but to the wilderness[/b]! During the great tribulation, the israelites will flee to the wilderness and the period mentioned is given 3.5 years!

So it wasn't Mary that was pregnant with Jesus and bore him anymore. Abi?

Scholar8200:
It is also written that Mary stands at the right of Jesus...and she is queen in heaven. This is not found in the scripture!

You choose not to find it in scripture because you have decided that the "called out ones" is the queen in heaven.

Ps 45:17 I will perpetuate your memory through all generations;
    therefore the nations will praise you for ever and ever.

Luke 1:48From now on all generations will call me blessed

Was it also the "called out ones" that spoke the above words in Luke 1?

You have decided that Israel is the one that carried Jesus in the womb and bore him.

When the same Sun, moon and stars bowed to Joseph, was Joseph 'The nation of Israel?'

Barnabaseloka:
Then, the early apostles said things as were directed by the Holy Spirit and told the believers to hold unto them so that they would not be deceived by false teachings or doctrines. Then, the words they spoke were not compiled together. But now, the words they spoke and the letters they wrote to believers have been compiled to make it easy for believers to read and understand. Any other teaching anywhere that is not based on the ones compiled in the bible as directed by the Holy Spirit need to be discarded.

Where all the apostles teachings/traditions by word of mouth compiled in the Bible?

Barnabaseloka:
I have told you that I don't want to go into history or theology. Does the bible you have tell you about God and what you need to do to inherit the kingdom of God? The conclusion of the whole matter is 'Fear God and keep His commands'. When you quote a passage, is it not from the one in your possession that you make reference to? I am not here to argue who compiled the bible as long as what is written there tells us how to live godly lives and make heaven at last. Or will knowing who compiled the bible make people more or less being christians? But p/s I will like to know who compiled the bible.

Typical protestant hypocrisy.

Just answer the question by saying who compiled the bible or telling us if you don't know who compiled it.

HopeAlive14:
I think you are just being sarcastic in your remark, which frankly, is unnecessary.

Jesus was called "Son of David" severally in the bible; does that make David His father?

Yes.

HopeAlive14:
There is so much confusion in the christendom today due to strange doctrines.

True!

HopeAlive14:
Jesus speaking in Mark 7:13 "And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others."(NIV)

Very true!

HopeAlive14:
Any doctrine or tradition that is not based on Scripture, no matter how good it appears or sounds is unprofitable and should be discarded.

This is an example of a person handing down his own tradition and cancelling the word of God, thereby bringing confusion to christendom.

The word of God says in 2Thess2:15: So then, brothers and sisters,[i] stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

Where does the word of God say: "Any doctrine or tradition that is not based on Scripture, no matter how good it appears or sounds is unprofitable and should be discarded?"

From whence do you bring such strange personal doctrine and confusion?

HopeAlive14:
Understand one thing, brother.

We don't have to "like" any church.

The church, whether Catholic, Methodist, Evangelical, Protestant or Pentecostal will NEVER take you to heaven.

But only those who do the will of God through His Grace in JESUS CHRIST.[/b]

You're calling Jesus a liar by saying his time had come. Jesus said his time had not come.

That is the issue you are dodging.

He did the miracle at the request of his mother. I don't know why you protestants are ashamed of such an event.

Don't you do things at your mother's request?

Barnabaseloka:
During the time of the early christians, the scriptures were not yet compiled. Now that the they are compiled, let us base our teachings and faith on the Scriptures. God bless you too and good night.

Who compiled the Bible?

This is a question Segbe88 has asked which you dodged.