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Barnabaseloka:
Yes I remember. Know that Jesus existed before but decided to come to the earth through Mary.
In heaven, is Mary still the mother of Jesus? B/c as it is written Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father and the Holy Spirit is on earth and within us.

Jesus existed before Mary yet the Angel of the Lord called Mary his MOTHER.

Psalm 45:9 Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.


12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.


It is also written that Mary stands at the right of Jesus...and she is queen in heaven.

HopeAlive14:
You want to make us believe that Jesus' performance of this miracle was as a result of the "influence she wields" over her son? The truth remains that when "His hour came" He performed the miracle!
Certainly not at any supposed influence Mary "WIELDS".

Presuming or even teaching so is arrogating to her powers that are scripturally baseless and unmerited.

John2:4 “Woman, why do you involve me?” Jesus replied. “My hour has not yet come.”


This is a case of a person calling Jesus a liar just because he doesn't like the Catholic Church.

HopeAlive14:
Jesus Is (not was) God.

Good. Meaning Mary IS (Not "was" Jesus-God's mother.

HopeAlive14:
The question is: Because Mary gave birth to Him, does that make her "the mother of God?"

No. It makes her his father. I guess the woman who gave birth to you is your father.

Barnabaseloka:
Don't be offended. We all know that Mary gave birth to Jesus (God) physically. But spiritually, Jesus has no mother but only ONE Father.

So Jesus was without spirit in the womb of Mary?

The Jesus who walked the streets of Israel was just body without spirit?

Barnabaseloka:
Remember that Jesus created all things, including Mary.

I remember.

Remember that Mary carried Jesus who is God in her womb, she gave birth to Jesus God, she breastfed Jesus - God...etc.

Do you remember?

^^^ So Jesus was not God abi?!

He was an ordinary man?!

May God help you.

Syncan:
Thanks bro, I have already made known to those that seek in truth and in spirit, what they need to know. Indeed the scripture had said it all:

"He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself, And he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself. Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you" Prov.9:7-8.

Indeed!

"A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, cos people from a distance can't tell who is who"--Jay Z.

That advice is for Syncan.

@ Jeez, considering that you're a strong Catholic, I will encourage you to exercise your faith very strongly now.

Pray about it and keep an open mind. You don't know if God wants you to marry her or not. Feelings aside, marriage is not play play.

If I were you, I would stop talking to her and talking more to God. When she notices and complains, I'd tell her the reason I did so is that she has made it clear that there is no chance of her marrying one like me who chooses to remain Catholic, so I'm talking more to God to give me a woman that will accept my remaining in his Catholic Church and probably even be or become Catholic. And I would mean every word of all I said above.

Then I would start looking for a Catholic girl. If she changes her mind early enough, I could return to her. But if she doesn't, or changes it after I have gone far with a Catholic girl, I wouldn't even look back.

Bro, I speak to you, not as a novice, but as one who has first hand experience of issues like this.

I've had to move on from a girl whose dad wanted full Igbo (Edo/Igbo) and though she loved me but she kept echoing her dad's sentiments.

I also had to break a relationship that was heading for marriage because we were both AS.

Lemme whisper this: I dunno of Ohio, but the Catholic Church in Nigeria is full of amazingly pretty girls who have been brought up to value marriage and family. You have no business letting one girl hold you to ransom like this.

We must choose God's Church over any man...or woman.

And may God enlighten your mind and give you the best solution as you work and pray on this issue. Amen.

Appleyard:
Miss, am far way different from them, cause am not worshiping the vessel, but He that came from the vessel. And you must understand that No one here is disputing the fact that Mary is refered to as the mother of Jesus because, she (Mary) was the vessel out of which God who took on Flesh, became a man and manifested Himself among men. But there was no place in the scriptures we are thought to worship or give honour to this 'woman.' Or Can you show me anywhere it is written that we should give honour to Mary, not to mention Worshiping her?

Firstly Catholics only worship Mary in your small envious protestant mind. In real life, we worship God alone.

Then talking about where scripture teaches us to honour her...

1. The Bible says: "honour your father and mother." And Rev 12:17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus.

Is Mary our mother?

2. Angel Gabriel came down from heaven with a message from God, and the beginning of the message was "Hail Mary!"

Is that not honour from God himself?


3. The Holy Spirit said (through Elizabeth) "Blessed are you among women."

Is that not honour from God The Holy Spirit?

Do you still insist that Christians should not honour Mary...or do you change your position?

Appleyard:
And it would interest you to know that your so-cherished Mary-mother of God was not even recognized as ''mother'' by the Son Jesus (God in flesh), and its rightly so.
This is because, He Jesus is a spirit from above that took on the nature of man for a purpose.(1 Cor.5 vs 45-47)
And He that is from above, is greater than he or she that is of the earth. All things (all! Including Mary) were created by the Son (Jesus.) -StJohn 1vs3. Colosians 1 vs 16. And the creature can never be greater than the creator.
So Mary is not in any way greater than Jesus. Rather, its Jesus that is greater, and has been existing as a spirit being, the Almighty, even before the world began (Rev.1vs7-8.)

Thus, humanly speaking, Mary by the natural law of conception and birth, she is mother to Jesus (after the will of the flesh); but in REALITY, Jesus (the Son) is the father and creator of Mary.
That is why He never called her ''mother'' but ''woman.''
and you can only give honour and worship to the Creator.

Matt 2:13 Now after they had left, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Get up, take the child and HIS MOTHER, and flee to Egypt...

Ignorant protestant, so the "Angel of the Lord" is human that doesn't know the reality abi?

Appleyard:
So, where did your 'hail Mary' came from?

Blind Protestant. How many times are we going to show you that it came from Luke 1. Did Martin Luther remove that too from your Bible?

Appleyard:
And again, how can a dead person pray for you-- 'oh holy mary pray for us'?

You say Mary is dead. Jesus asks in John11:26 and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?

What is your answer?

One last question: do they excavate your brains and eyes in protestant churches shops?

Anas09:
I thought you were going to past a passage of the scripture that enjoin the christians to pay alligience to her.

John 19:26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing beside her, he said to his mother, “Woman, here is your son.” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his own home.

Now show me where Jesus said you shouldn't pay allegiance to Mary.

And show me where he said Christians should only do the few things written in the Bible.

Show me where Jesus mentioned "Bible?"

Anas09:
Catholic church is Babylon the great. The harlot spoken of by John in revelation.
The Premadona(queen of heaven) the Catholics worship is a demon, period. Catholic church in trying to stop true christianity Raised Islam to help them stampede christianity. They made mohammed to eradicate other idols and elevate his family idol has the supreme to stand at par with the Catholic god, but satan their master had his own plans.
Check Islam, hinduism and Catholic church. The same pattern of counting beats and chanting to their idols.

So your Bible was compiled by this 'Babylon the great.' It was this harlot that decided the books to go into the Bible and the books to be thrown out in the 4th century.
It is this Catholic Church that changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

So you too must be a devil worshipper then.

Anas09:
ChristiaNs don't pray hail mary, Catholics do. And Catholics are hardly christians.

You mean Angel Gabriel and Elizabeth in Luke 1 are not Christians but Catholic?

Anas09:
They oppose every godly (Biblical) doctrin.

Name just one. Just one.

Anas09:
The queen of heaven which is mary(of the catholic not the mother of Jesus) is a demon. Jere 7:18. Stop your idolatry. Repent and accept Jesus. You can't stand the anger of God.

Everybody, even the most stupid human being alive knows that the Mary that Catholics love...is the mother of Jesus.

Are you from Mars?

Appleyard:
There is nothing like 'Hail Mary' in the entire bible. What you catholics have today are creeds and dogmas from papal Rome. There is only one mediator between God and man-the Man Christ Jesus (I Tim.2vs5.)
The so-called Mary of the Roman Catholic chuch is a Demon, and the very act of its worship is pure paganism.

You have never read Luke 1?

You didn't read the OP?

One has to be blind and ignorant to be anti-Catholic.

thorpido:
It's unproductive and does not in any way improve one spiritually,so I've never said it.
We pray in the Name of Jesus and He is the one to be hailed.

How can you know if it's unproductive when you've never said it?

Think!

Namdeenero:
"Touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm". This man is presently in my villa @ Nkwerre in Imo state and he said we should google his name and see how his home state disowned him. He came for some liberation stuffs @ my villa. This man will call out any random person and tell u ur problems, call ur name, the names of ur children if u have any and where ur problem lies then pray for u... His miracles are divine, stop saying all these things... P:S if ur a catholic and uv received the sacrament of confirmation u'll understand wot he meant by he has a gift cos the holy spirit gives everybody gifts after confirmation so his is the gift of divinity.

Modestus Chedzoy Chilaka is neither a Catholic nor a priest. The Catholic Church has disowned him long ago. He is an impostor.

The devil can do those things you mentioned.

An2elect2:
Are you alright?

I am. You're the one who is not alright...

...because you said "Church" was never referred to as "IT."

Meanwhile Jesus said: Matt 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

So you are reading a Bible that is not alright...and following a church cult that is not alright.

Secondly An2elect2,

The early Church could be physically found everywhere it was. That is why the apostles could write to them and visit them.

This your invisible secret church cult that was not referred to as "IT" in Matt 16...is not the Church of Jesus Christ.

An2elect2:
Lol. Actually you have a wrong understanding of what the church is. Firstly, the church is not a corporate body that is area-bound but a group of persons. An assembly. A community of individuals is what makes up a church. When two or three of this people come together, we have a church.

They bible defines church as THEY not IT.

For examples,

Acts 5:11 , So great fear came upon all
the church and upon all who heard these
things.
Acts 8:1 , ...At that time a great
persecution arose against the church
which was at Jerusalem; and they were all
scattered...
Acts 8:3 , As for Saul, he made havoc of
the church, entering every house, and
dragging off men and women, committing
them to prison.
Acts 11:22 , Then news of these things
came to the ears of the church in
Jerusalem, and they sent out Barnabas to
go as far as Antioch.


Yes there are "churches" today founded by men but they do not believe like the early Christians, the early church and the few believers around today. They are man-made and hence operate like one. You don't expect otherwise, do you?

You can't see the church am talking about, doesn't mean (they) are not out there. These people are not extra ordinary people. They feel everything you feel, they don't have physical marks on them, they cry, they laugh, they fall sick, they lack, they abound, they die too. The only thing that sets them apart is Christ in them. Though dwelling in this world like every other person, they see themselves as foreigners because of the one in them. They are the church. They are the salt and the light of the world. The body of Christ. They don't usurp authority over one another, even though they have elders, pastors, teachers, they are still equal and see themselves as such.

This is the church Christ died for and promised to be with till the end of time.

I don't know why you asking me that, but there are some great Christian scholars made by God's grace. A few come to mind Charles Spurgeon, A.W Pink, Martin Lurther king (snr). What they taught and what they wrote had and is still having great positive influence in the Christian church today.

Typical ignorant protestant. First of all, your statement in bold is false!

Matt 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome [b]it

See what Jesus said about his Church?

Obviously you are reading a strange Bible...and your Church is not the one Jesus.

That's why you've been speaking heresy.

Papist:
It is very much around in which of the more than 30000 Protestant sects?

And millions of 'non-denominational' one-man 'only-me-and-my-God' "churches?

Papist:
My friend are you reffering to the Concordat here? The concordat was not an acknowledgement if the Nazi government but was simply a plea for the protection of Christians. The Hitler's pope myth was created by a Protestant playwright in a drama 20 years after the second world war. Have you read Mit Brennender Sorge a papal condemnation of the Nazi state? Do you know that the Chief rabbi of Rome converted to Catholicism after the war mostly as a gesture of gratitude to the Pope? Do you know that the Catholic Church issued fake baptism certificates to Jewish children? Have you read the testimonies of Jewish leaders of the time including the Israeli PM Golda Meier?

He has not heard about all these.

People like him only search around for negative stories about the Church, then believe them, whether true or false.

If the story sounds positive, the make themselves deaf like the proverbial 'fly wey follow deadbodi enter grave.'

onetrack:
The Catholic Church tried to accommodate fascism in the 1920s and 1930s. They did so successfully Italy and Spain. The Pope wanted an accommodation with the Nazis and was willing to work with them, until the Nazis decided that the Church did not fit into their plans. In other words, it wasn't the Church that opposed the Nazis.

1.4 billion is too high; even the Church itself says about 1.2 billion, but certainly the Church's own estimates are high.

The Church is lying. Catholics are not 1.2 billion. They are only 9.

There goes the proof of a dying Catholic Church.

onetrack:
Yes but not because the Catholic Church opposed them; rather the Nazis had other ideas that did not include the Catholic Church. Of course there were some individual priests who actively opposed the Nazi regime and died heroic deaths.

May I even ask what point you are trying to make with the above? Seems to me like you're just grasping unto anything to confuse the issue at hand.

onetrack:
I don't hate Catholics (at least I think that they are Christian unlike some of your other Christian brethren), but the Church has run into serious trouble in Europe and is starting to see trouble in the Americas, including Brazil. What happened in Ireland is a sign of this.

I dont think you hate Catholics. I just think you choose to hold on to misinformation about Catholicism.

What happened in Ireland is not as bad as what happened in Ancient Rome, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany etc.

Yet the number of Catholics keep growing.
1.4 billion!

onetrack:
There are now only about 150,000 Catholics in Russia--about 0.1% of the population

There are about 35,000 Catholics in Turkey, which includes ancient Byzantium/Constantinople--about 0.05% of the population

And 1.4 billion in the world. 20% of world population. Without reform.

Did you say "reform or perish?"

Look! 12 apostles have become 1.4 billion without reform!

onetrack:
No doubt the Nazis persecuted Catholic organizations, but not because the Church opposed the Nazis. The Pope was quite anxious to come to an agreement with the Nazi government, as the Church had openly supported Fascist movements in Italy (Mussolini) and Spain (Franco); the Nazis had other ideas as they didn't really want any kind of rival organization with outside support. There is no evidence that the Church was inherently opposed to Nazi ideology.

I see! The Nazis killed thousands of priests, confiscated and destroyed hundreds of Catholic property because the Church was in agreement with the Nazis.

Brilliant!

Tobiee:
Angel Gabriel hailed mary... as a greeting, you guys hail her, like she's the one that brought salvation, and died on the cross.

Angel Gabriel and Catholics hail Mary. Angel Gabriel didn't tell you he was greeting...and Catholics didn't tell you they are hail a saviour. You literally pray to mary!

It's you foolish thinking again!

Tobiee:
And most catholics rev. Sis and priest, are mere hypocrites!! Now dont argue with me no more!

Priests and Sisters that left everything to follow Jesus are hypocrites, but scammers that pose as pastors to buy private jets and use it to launder money are saints.

Your foolish thinking again.

An2elect2:
stop thinking friend, start knowing...catholics are not christians.

Catholics are not Christians, they are devil worshippers.

They compiled the Bible and changed the day of worship to Sunday...and "Christians" adhere to these their practice and doctrine.

Devil worshippers decided what books Christians should read as scripture...and on what day they should worship.

Devil worshippers have existed since the time of Christ but Christians originated with the reformation, 1600 years after Christ died.

Fools!

Tobiee:
i dont think catholic is Jesus' church 'cause they dont worship him, rather, they HAIL MARY!!

So you also don't think Angel Gabriel is Jesus' Angel because he doesn't worship Jesus, rather he said "HAIL MARY?!"

Luke 1

26 In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And coming to her, he said, “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.”

You see that your thinking is a foolish one!

We Catholics will continue to emulate the Angel of God.

You can emulate scammers and call them pastors.

onetrack:
The church was not dying in Byzantium; it flourished until the schism of 1054 when suddenly half of the church became Orthodox instead of Catholic.

The bold means "dying." Yet the Catholic Church lives on in Byzantium and all over the world.

onetrack:
The Church was barely present in the Soviet Union; Russians are almost entirely orthodox

5.5 million Catholics were in the Soviet Union. The Atheist Govt tortured and killed hundreds of priests and confiscated scores of Churches. Stalin's even boasted that the Church would be dead in a generation. Stalin's is dead. The Atheist Govt is dead. Communism is dead. The Catholic Church lives on.

onetrack:
The Church was not dying in Nazi Germany; they willingly cooperated with Hitler, and they maintained their anti-Jewish position until the 1960s.

For someone who talks much, you know too little. Please read how Nazis persecuted the Catholic Church. Read about the 2500 Catholic priests that were tortured and killed in the Nazi concentration camp in Dachau. I don't want to win an argument. I just want you to be enlightened.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany

onetrack:
I'm not saying that the Catholic Church will disappear anytime soon, but it has lost a great deal of power in Europe over the past 50 years.

Jesus never said his Church would never lose power in Europe.

Jesus said he would be with his Church forever and the gates of hades would never prevail against it.

U

onetrack:
The RCC is dying in Europe. The priests and nuns are ancient and the churches are empty. The US isn't far behind.

The Church was "dying" in Saul's Jerusalem.

The Church was "dying" in Ancient Rome.

The Church was "dying" in Byzantium.

The Church was "dying" in Stalin's Soviet Union.

The Church was "dying" in Hitler's Germany.

Yet the Church continues to live for 2000 years.