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Lateralmaths:
Read the scriptures...
What gives one access to eternal life?

Faith and good works.

James 2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Or is the book of James not scripture?

smartesboys:
Every Muslim love him and respect him, we follow his teaching. every muslim should believe that jesus {pbuh} was messenger of god not a son.
we love him morethan you but we DO NOT WORSHIP HIM.

What are his teachings...and where are they written?

CAPTIVATOR:
Its also a PRIZE , you have to run for it , ( 1cor 9:24) ,

Gbam.

Once saved always saved is a LIE!

RobinHez,

Many of the Giants and pioneers in many Science fields have been Catholics, even Priests.

E.g the first person to propound the big bang theory was a Catholic Priest, Fr George Lemaitre.

There are 35 craters in the moon named after Catholic Jesuit Priests...the Jesuits are masters in astronomy.

And many other examples. The Catholic Church practically invented science and nurtured it.

Science and Christianity do not contradict.

Read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Catholic_Church_and_science

hahn:
Kai!

We need people like you in our education system

Thank you.

Scholar8200:
To clarify, see Luke 2:48
48 And when they [Joseph and Mary] saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, Child, why have You treated us like this? Here Your father and I have been anxiously looking for You [distressed and tormented]. The extent of Joseph's fatherhood is also the extent of Mary's motherhood! No more, no less.

I simply answered the intent of your question. (the motherhood you have in mind is the extrapolated one and I'm not going along those lines) Quite similar to the pharisees asking Jesus should we pay tributes, yes or no? or should we stone the adulteress,yes or no?

Stop lying against me. Don't you get tired of toeing Satan's line of telling lies? I never told you I have any extrapolated intent. I only have the intent of The Angel of the Lord which is the intent of God which simply said: Matt 2:13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “[b]take the child and his mother [/b]and escape to Egypt.

You said Mary is not the child's mother.

Who should I believe between you and God?

Barnabaseloka:
Have you considered why God made them appear to Jesus? God used the transfiguration to show that we ought to listen only to Jesus
Mt.17:5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, Hear Him.
8. When they lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.
Did Moses and Elijah ever spoke to Jesus again? God used such scenario to pass a message to us. See also the case of 'dead' Samuel and Saul.

If dead people still speak today, God would have supported his people in consulting the spirits of the dead. Instead, He warned his people not to try such.
Deut.18:10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interpretes omens, or a sorcerer.
11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
12. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord...'

Ecc.9:5 For the living know that they will die; But the DEAD know NOTHING.
10. Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going (KJV)
10. Work hard at whatever you do, because there will be no action, no thought, no knowledge, no wisdom in the world of the dead- and that is where you are going (GB)
Before you lay a claim from a passage, understand it first and make sure it does not contradict what is written in other passages.

So you are saying Moses was dead, yet he spoke once.

You have no proof that Moses didn't speak again, except you can show me where the Bible said so.

What about the people that spoke in Rev 6:10, were they alive? Still dodging that question?

Barnabaseloka:
Quote the bible passages that that showed that Paul, Peter, Jude, John, Thomas, Andrew, Barnabas and other believers died. You have nothing to argue about. The two men that God took away that did not die, apart from Jesus, were Enoch and Elijah. So long as the trumpet has not sounded and the judgement day has not come, humans will continue to die and return to the dust.

1. I can't find it in my Bible but Catholic oral tradition (which is the word of God just like Scipture (2Thess2:15)) tells me that those apostles died.

You are the one who claims to believe in Bible alone, so tell me where the Bible says that Mary died...or that only Elijah and Enoch will never die in the history of the world.

Please show me!

Also are you saying that Jesus did not die?

Scholar8200:
Jesus Christ is the Son of God;He is The Word Who is God. But Mary is not His mother

Matt 2:13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt.

Who is a shameless liar between you and the Angel of the Lord?

Scholar8200:
Besides, my post concerning Luther did not exalt him as a hero; just mentioned him as one (out of others) who risked their lives to bring to the open and make public that which the Roman Catholic Church wanted to have monopoly over! It does not therefore mean that everything he says will/should be accepted lock,stock and barrel! Like the Bereans, we cross-check his teachings with the Word and if there is any contradiction, the Word supersedes Luther's or any other person's teaching!

What do you mean by "The Word" now. The Catholic 73 books or Luther's 65 books without the deuterocanonicals and James which he castigated?

Who decided the books in your "The Word?"

Also, you haven't shown us where "The Word" said that Mac cables, Tobit, Sirach are not inspired...and that Mark, Luke are inspired.

What about Gospel of Barnabas, Epistle to the Laodiceans, the book of Enoch, Acts of Peter? Are they inspired? If not, where does the Bible say they aren't? Remember Laodiceans was mention in the Bible and some of the deuterocanonicals were quoted in other books of the Bible or made reference to.

Also, tell us if the Holy Spirit is still inspiring men to write scriptures. If yes, give us an example. If no, tell us where the Bible tells you that the Holy Spirit would stop inspiring men to write scripture. Or are you following the Catholic tradition that closed the Canon of Scripture?

Scholar8200:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God. There's no quote from the Apocrypha. The real custodians of the covenants and the OT (Jews) recognised these inter-testament period books as just literary works.

Perfect!

You still haven't shown where the Bible says those books were not inspired, but mere literary works. Or are you following Martin Luther's personal tradition?

Scholar8200:
Why quote Luther here? You just called him a heretic! Any way refer to my reply to a post related to your question.

You're just dodging. When Luther does what suits you he's a hero; the moment you're shown what doesn't suit you, he becomes a villain.

Are you aware that the same Luther that removed the deuterocanonical books from his Bible which you use...also called the book of James "Epistle of straw?"

Does that also mean "James" is a mere literary work?

Does it bother you that your whole house of faith is built on a man whose doctrines are unsteady and dubious?

Scholar8200:
Let me ask, is Joseph the father of God?

No. Now can you answer the question you have been dodging?


From the above epistle, are you saying that the Jesus who lived in the womb of Mary, who walked the streets of Israel, who was crucified at Calvary, was a mere man, not God?

Syncan:
Chai...All these people! Ordinary to go see fine girl Parents, this one no too much so? jennydoris, peppyluv02, and auntie debbie how una see this thing.


Good morning brethren, a splendid day ahead to all.

See you...na we dey hang out 247!

Scholar8200:
And also went ahead to include the apocrypha, which are non - inspired! I believe the credit (as human elements) should go to those who were in tune with God enough to know that the apocrypha had no place in scripture and not just a compilation done thanks to having custody of the books!

Please show us where the Bible says that those books are not inspired. Or are you following the personal tradition of Martin Luther and his fellow heretics?

Remember, you said:

You are right. All Scripture is given by Inspiration of God hence should be our final authority in issues concerning Its contents.

Scholar8200:
Luther was sure being gracious here.
But for the efforts of people like himself, Tyndale etc (who put their life on the line due to possible martyrdom by the catholic Church) the Bible would have been a hidden book being the exclusive preserve of the catholic clergy who will then decide what should be taught and what to make the people believe. (by the way they did not give us the word as its original authors!).
From history, we can see that the RCC did not act for the public good like Luther,Tyndale etc did; there were other motives for the custody of the books gathered and compiled else why did they conceal it from the public? and why were people like Luther, who sought to place it in every hand ,persecuted (and some martyred) if there was no ulterior motive? But God Whose Word it is (and Who can use a raven to fulfil His purpose) overruled!
Even Luther knew he acted (publishing the 95 thesis, translating the Bible to the people's mother tongue etc) at the risk of being burned by the Catholic Church! Why? because, inter alia, he declared the truth as found in the Bible (previously concealed)that the just shall be justified and shall live by faith!

When Martin Luther said the Catholic Church possessed the world of God, was it True or False?


Also you dodged this my question below: please answer

italo:
From the above epistle, are you saying that the Jesus who lived in the womb of Mary, who walked the streets of Israel, who was crucified at Calvary, was a mere man, not God?

Barnabaseloka:
Why do you quote from the same scriptures that is said to be error-prone? How do I know that what you have quoted is right?

Show us where it was said that the Bible was error prone! Just give us the quote!

You know what we quote is right because God's infallible Catholic Church canonized it.

Barnabaseloka:
Do not make me say things that cannot be proven in order for you to prove a point. Jesus was God wherever He was on earth and in any form He appeared. On earth, He was both God and man. As God, He had the power to do all things, including forgiving of sins. As man, He decided not to use such authority in everything He did.

Meaning Mary gave birth to God?

Barnabaseloka:
Luke 1:3. It must not be explicit for you to know that it was Luke that wrote it to Theophilus.

Barnabaseloka:

Must it be stated for you to know that Paul, James, Jude, Peter and others did not write any epistle with human wisdom? It has been quoted here severally that all scriptures were given by the inspiration of God. Yet, you did not accept it. If any epistle in the scriptures is written without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, it is error-prone.

Below is what you said earlier

HopeAlive14:
Jesus speaking in Mark 7:13 "And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others."(NIV)

Any doctrine or tradition that is not based on Scripture, no matter how good it appears or sounds is unprofitable and should be discarded.

Nowhere does Luke 1:1-3 mention "Luke" or Holy Spirit. Stop trying to squeeze those words into the passage.

At the time Paul said "All scripture is given...," he meant Old Testament. Revelations, for example had not even been written.

If you cannot show me where the the bible said Luke wrote Luke under the influence of the Holy Spirit, then you are either following Catholic tradition or your personal tradition.

You also refused to say if the Church was error prone in compiling the Bible or if they were above error.

Also please tell us: is the Holy Spirit still inspiring men to write scriptures?

Barnabaseloka:
So, how do people verify the authenticity of your belief? I can't argue with you on this issue. Go with your claims and let me obey that which are written in the bible I have. After questioning its authenticity, you will still go ahead to quote from it to validate your point. Good luck!

Just dodging my questions. I never questioned the Bible's authenticity. I know that it is authentic because God's authentic Catholic Church compiled, Canonized it.

My question is to you, Mr Bible alone protestant:


Why should anyone quote from the Bible when you don't know how the bible came about?

Show me where Jesus or the Bible told anyone to write, read or quote the bible?

Or are you also following Catholic tradition which canonized the Bible?

Barnabaseloka:
Gen.4:10 And He said, What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood cries out to Me from the ground.
Does it mean that Abel was not dead here?
My answer to you is dependent on your understanding of a dead person being alive.

Abel was alive, not dead.

Now answer my question: the people who talked to God in Rev 6:10, were they alive then?

Barnabaseloka:
Deut.34:5 So Moses, the servant of the Lord dies there in the land f Moab according to the word of the Lord.
2 Kings 2:11 Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire and separated the two of them and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
1 Sam.25:1 Then Samuel died and the Israelites gathered together and lamented for him, and buried him at his home in Ramah....'

1 Sam 28:11,13-15
11. Then the woman said, Whom shall I bring up for you. And he said, Bring up Samuel for me.
13. And the King said to her, Do not be afraid. What do you see? And the woman said to Saul, saying; I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.
14. So he said to her, What is his form? And she said, An old man is coming up and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.
15. Now Samuel said to Saul, Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up...?'
if a medium can bring up the dead Samuel, how much more God. Remember that their coming up was for a reason. After they achieved the purpose they disappeared.

I speak of Moses only b/c he died, unlike Elijah that did not die. That Moses appeared does not mean that he is not dead, awaiting resurrection. People who were children of God before they died will only be raised when Christ comes at the sound of the trumpet.

In the case of Abraham and Lazarus, it was a parable Jesus used to illustrate something

So "dead" Moses spoke to Jesus?

If this can happen, then even if Mary died, she can speak to Jesus.

Also, please show us where the Bible said Mary is "dead and buried," as you claimed. Or is that too just one of your personal traditions?

Syncan:
Really? abeg if you need morale boosting call Ubenedictus to join you. May God be glorified for His many blessings on us.

Morale boosting? Not really.

I've invited the Creator of the World and all his Angels and Saints to accompany me.



God be glorified!

Rich4god:
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You no wan b little bride? Lol

Ubenedictus:
I saw this and noted it. Italo we dey ur back. God really dey ansa prayers.

Thanks bro.

Barnabaseloka:
Yes, Mary was the mother of Jesus.

When Jesus was in Mary's womb, in the streets of Israel, on the cross...was he God or mere man?

Barnabaseloka:
Noted. What you need to do is to quote from your bible, while others compare it from their own bibles, alongside other passages to get balanced understanding of a matter.

Why should anyone quote from the Bible when you don't know how the bible came about?

Show me where Jesus or the Bible told anyone to write, read or quote the bible?