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Image123:
And this earth is where angels are saying is filled with God's glory. You need a paradigm shift i guess.

I don't understand this.

Mee234:
You can believe what you wants but mbaka lied before. He sworn by his priesthood that Nnamani will not win second term.

Provide evidence!

HopeAlive14:
God did not call Simon Peter "Rock" nor gave him "heaven's keys"

God did not call Peter "satan"

JESUS is our Rock and satan is our common enemy.

God CANNOT give "heaven's keys" to a human being!!!

You've obviously never read Matt 16.

Matt 16

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

Jesus Predicts His Death
21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan!

Is this what Kumuyi means by free and fair?


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This is what Kumuyi calls free and fair:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szFfQOelXJs

HopeAlive14:
Isaiah was a man of God. His FIRST message (from God) to Hezekiah was DISTRESSING prompting Hezekiah to humble himself before God.

Hezekiah's verdict was upturned by God because Hezekiah PRAYED to God to REMEMBER his GOOD deeds.

The Rev. Father's FIRST message (from God) to the President was full of PRAISE prompting or ENCOURAGING the President to DO MORE of what he has been doing!!!

God couldn't have asked the Rev. Fr. to PRAISE and ENCOURAGE the President only to condemn him in three months!

The reverse ought to have been the case

Why not?

If God could call Simon Peter "Rock" "blessed" and gave him heaven's key...

Then moments later, call him "satan."

^^^digest that...then answer.

Enemkingsley:
Please what Rev. Fr. Mbaka said about chimaroke's second tenor is that if the election will be free and fair that chimaroke can never win.....but it was so obvious that the election was rigged....and I was their when the election was conducted

Noted.

eCollynzo:
So online media was the only source of information in 2002? Besides check my post properly. What opposition were they talking about? Also read the response of the governor.

I have read the whole article twice. Nowhere did Mbaka say Nnamani would lose.

My dear, my mind is open. For now, there is no evidence that he said so.

eCollynzo:
So online media was the only source of information in 2002? Besides check my post properly. What opposition were they talking about? Also read the response of the governor.

So where did you hear it?

NTA news?

eCollynzo:
This was in 2002, online media wasn't so developed then, but we know that Mbaka said Chimaroke will not return. What opposition did you think the interviewer was asking Nnamani about here?
What about the opposition from Reverend
Father Ejike Mbaka's Adoration Ministry in the
state?
www.ebeano.org/interviews/Dont_Lose_Sleep_Over_Nwobodo.html

"The Catholics here in Enugu support the PDP. We have about 75% of votes here being the single largest Christian denomination in Enugu . The large percentage is not guaranteed in the future if thePDP continues to support this man (governor)
www.gamji.com/article1000/NEWS1241.htm
This was before he finally declared that the man will lose

You got this news from the Internet. Where did you hear that he said Nnamani would lose?

Be honest...it was hearsay, wasn't it?

eCollynzo:
This was in 2002, online media wasn't so developed then, but we know that Mbaka said Chimaroke will not return. What opposition did you think the interviewer was asking Nnamani about here?
What about the opposition from Reverend
Father Ejike Mbaka's Adoration Ministry in the
state?
www.ebeano.org/interviews/Dont_Lose_Sleep_Over_Nwobodo.html

If online media wasn't developed, where did you get the info from?

Hearsay?

eCollynzo:
So rigging can stop the will of God? If GEJ had won despite his prophecy prediction, you would have said the same thing.

He claimed that Fr Mbaka said Nnamani wouldn't win without rigging...and that some people confessed to the rigging. if that is true, then Fr Mbaka was right.

That's why I want proof of him saying Nnamani wouldn't win. So we can see his exact words and check if they came to pass.

Do you have proof?

eCollynzo:
www.ebeano.org/interviews/Dont_Lose_Sleep_Over_Nwobodo.html(2002)
Mbaka: a "Political" Priest (2002)
www.allafrica.com/stories/200204150763.html

www.gamji.com/article1000/NEWS1241.htm
www.allafrica.com/stories/200203190611.html

In all your four links I can't find any time where Fr Mbaka engaged in political gamble, as you claim.

Please point it out by pasting the text and the link. Thanks.

adsonstone:
The bold equally tells me that to vindicate is "to show that (someone) should not
be blamed for a crime, mistake, etc."

Besides, guilty does not only mean 'being responsible for a wrongdoing,' it also means 'culpable' or 'deserving blame for an error.'
www.thefreedictionary.com/guilty

What I said isn't out of place.
Perhaps, you need to adjust your attitude towards issues like this.

New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory

Jesus Christ too was guilty abi? Lol

Sha don't let bias destroy your soul.

adsonstone:
The bold equally tells me that to vindicate is "to show that (someone) should not
be blamed for a crime, mistake, etc."

Besides, guilty does not only mean 'being responsible for a wrongdoing,' it also means 'culpable' or 'deserving blame for an error.'
www.thefreedictionary.com/guilty

What I said isn't out of place.
Perhaps, you need to adjust your attitude towards issues like this.

So David was guilty in Psalm 26:1? Lol.

Marsh104:
the election was rigged and those that rigged it confessed. mbaka said that he will remove his sultan If chimaroke wins without rigging.

Now this is interesting. This is why I have been asking for proof of Mbaka saying it.

I want to see his exact words.

But nobody can provide proof.

striktlymi:
The video is on Youtube. No time to get the link.

How I wish you could give me proof. Not that it's a must though.

I'm just not ready to spend energy discussing an allegation, of which the only available proof is another allegation that "the video is on youtube."

I can also say GEJ has persecuted his enemies ferociously...and the video is on youtube.

adsonstone:
vin·di·cate
\ˈvin-də-ˌkāt\
verb
1 : to show that (someone) should not be
blamed for a crime, mistake, etc. : to show
that (someone) is not guilty
2 : to show that (someone or something that
has been criticized or doubted) is correct,
true, or reasonable

Full Definition
vin·di·cat·ed vin·di·cat·ing
transitive verb
3. obsolete : to set free : deliver : avenge
a : to free from allegation or blame
b (1) : confirm, substantiate (2) : to
provide justification or defense for : justify
c : to protect from attack or encroachment : defend : to maintain a right to

So?


What does guilt/guilty mean?

The bold is telling you that to vindicate is "to show that someone is not guilty", yet you are saying "only the guilty can be vindicated."

Are you deliberately refusing to outgrow this attitude...or you genuinely cannot understand such a simple thing?

Psalm 26:1. Vindicate me, LORD, for I have led a blameless life; I have trusted in the LORD and have not faltered.

Now tell me David was guilty in the verse above...

goddystone300:
Like I said...Mbaka like every Nigeria has the right to express political views. Not to talk of a when he clams "it's from the Holy sprit" which am not dragging or attempting to ague over.

He makes statement with obvious intention to heat up the polite and draw attention to himself.

I made those comments "Ministers Must Never Play Partisan Politics " I still stand my it. Don't forget he has faithfuls (members) that are on both sides of the divide.
Ministers Must Play The Role of Fathers. Weather APC or PDP etc...

I think I agree with the bold to a large extent.

I know too well that a man can have gifts or visions from God and relay it the wrong way.

I think you have a sound mind, Sir.

Samirana360:
Chimaraoke did nt loose d election in 2003 when mbaka said it:::: he won d senate in 2007 as well

Please can you provide evidence that Mbaka said what you claim. I want to know the facts, not hearsay.

adsonstone:
Only a guilty person can be vindicated.

Congratulations to all Nigerians.

Fallacy!

Please check the meaning of "vindicate" in an English dictionary.

Congrats!

bigv:
I'm sorry, I should have checked your profile before engaging you.
I'd gladly go with your option B
This is heading no where. Ciao.

Ad hominen -- Attacking the person and not the argument.

HopeAlive14:
Everyone hears from God if only we will allow Him speak and are patient enough to listen.

Many people today are being ripped off; they believe the "man of God" more than they believe the Bible or even themselves!

[b]After singing the President's praise, in less than three months, he made a "u" turn.

Vindicated? I don't think so![/b]

From the bold, you're saying Isaiah is not a man of God.

Isaiah told Hezekiah "you will die," then later told him "you will not die."

^^^digest that.

AMAKAVIOLA:
As for Mbaka, I dont like d way he talks and whines lik a woman. He sometimes dont knw d right words 2 use... #StillReppinCatholic

I also think he can pass his messages in a better manner...but it doesn't diminish the truth in this particular message.

bigv:
Clearly you have misunderstood my point. On the contrary it is ignorance to say the Church and Politics do mix.

You seem to be trying to force a strange law on Fr Mbaka.

A law that emerged from your imagination.

bigv:
[s]I normally would jump and give you Scriptural quotations. But the fact that you added "...or the Nigerian Constitution" has made me resentful.
This is cos you clearly would not only understand my basis, but also the fact that you mentioned the constitution.

Trying not to sound religious tho. The constitution and the Bible are two different things. Do not mix them up please.

God bless you. I see a New Nigeria[/s]

Show me how you concluded that Mbaka had no right to talk about his country's politics...

Or honourably keep quiet, please.

striktlymi:
No, he hasn't!

Father Mbaka depicted Jonathan as a cold blooded leader who wouldn't bat an eyelid when it comes to taking steps to assassinate his political enemies. The events of the past few days, show a Jonathan that does not exactly fit the profile.

Please provide proof of the bold.

"I’m not saying that Goodluck is a bad man. He is a good man. But he cannot lead Nigeria."--Fr Mbaka

deledels:
I honestly don't know which pastor to believe again,, so many permutations and combination from highly revered men of God prophesying different things about the election,,,I wonder if they all serve the same God.

You can know a false prophet from the election result.

Can God lie to his prophet?

dearpreye:
Any smart person could tell GEJ wasn't going to make it. No prophecy was needed. How was he going to win against a N/SW alliance?

Easy for you to say now.

Would you stake your career and reputation on that as at 3months ago, when Mbaka spoke?

Be honest.

eCollynzo:
Mbaka is a gambler. He has been taking election (prediction) gambles since 2003 (just like Buhari) and it finally worked for him this time.
However if you guys want to turn him to another TB Joshua or Pastor Chris, good. Enugu will be better for it.

Please can you provide proofs of the bold?

Osakah24:
he has not even been vindicated,buhari is still a promisory note,until he meets the desire of poor nigerians,are you even sure buhari can take the criticism and incessant attacks that gej survived,i hope his dictactorial tedencies doesnt rear up its ugly head again.because at it stands expectations are quite high.

"The office of Goodluck, let another take."--Fr Mbaka.

goddystone300:
It's a case of Nigeria choosing her leader!
This is my opinion "Rev Mbaka as a minister should stay clear, off politics"
It's never a case of vindication, he has flocks that need tendering...being a partisan politician is never his calling.
My advice is that he should lean from Pa Adeboye and no continue to creat strive and disunity in the church.

So if the Holy Spirit told him to say those things as he said, he should disobey the Holy Spirit and obey you so that he can be like A debate, the role model YOU appointed for him?