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1) So the billions of innocent muslims, innocent buddhist, 7 yrs olds and upward .... Ur grandfathers who lived in the pre- colonial era, ur great grandfathers , will all be condemned by ur wicked christendom god ??

2) why would a righteous God promise to " ressurect the unrighteous " Act 24:15 , if they are presently in ur fabricated hell ??

3) Show Me the scripture where the bible add such heresy that Goliath, or Judas Iscariot go to ur fabricated hell myth ??

4) where is Adam ??

5) Did scripture tell u such heresy about the people of Noah's day ??

I can see that those who serve a cruel and wicked god ( satan) become just like him .

This thread and its contents so far dont require you to get agitated, aggressive and bitter. There is no need to start cursing God. It doesnt make him cease to exist or add meaningfully to the thread. It only gives you away as insecure in your belief. Why would anyone be so filled with rage against one who doesnt exist?

TunjiMsp:
I think street preaching should banned outright, most times they enter my street as early as 5am and start their noise pollution, I wonder who is their audience at that Wee hours

Banning street preaching is too extreme...especially when you havent banned street prostitutes, shouting bus conductors, street product advertizers and marketers, street political campaigns etc.

philfearon:
The old me could have destroyed you for not sticking to my warning..
But then,with time you will realise that Both Christians,Moslems,Pagans,Atheists,Agnostics,neutrals,satanists,etc who are all Black people(or Muurians) are one and the same,and that we all share in the same Goodness of the Cosmic unity!
Peace bro!

philfearon:
What's the use of telling a blind man how beautiful a girl is.

You claim you cannot know the meaning of those statements...then you claim they are contradicting something.

You're confused.

philfearon:
Lol! I thought he knows the beginning from the End? Is everything that happen on earth not his will again?

“The king’s heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; He turns it wherever He wishes” (Prov. 21:1).“The plans of the heart belong to man, but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord” (Prov. 16:1).“The mind of man plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps” (Prov. 16:9).“The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord” (Prov. 16:33).“Many plans are in a man’s heart, but the counsel of the Lord will stand. ” (Prov. 19:21).“I know, O Lord, that a man’s way is not in himself, nor is it in a man who walks to direct his steps” (Jer. 10:23).


Also,tell that To Jonah,Ananias and Saphira,Lazarus,Sodom and Gomorrah, and the rest of the world he destroyed he destroyed with a flood!!

You already said only the one being spoken to understands the context of what is spoken.

Were the writers of the passages above speaking to you?

If not, you cannot be certain of the meaning.

pesty100:
yeah... but if it wasn't the Christian God... would d Christians have something to say about it

pesty100:
you haven't answered me

You are just obsessed with God.

I dont rant my whole life about anything i claim doesnt exist.

JMAN05:
The Catholic Encyclopedia: An International Work of Reference on the Constitution, Doctrine, Discipline, and History of the Catholic Church,[1] also referred to as the Old Catholic Encyclopedia and the Original Catholic Encyclopedia,[2] is an English-language encyclopedia published in the United States. The first volume appeared in March 1907 and the last three volumes appeared in 1912, followed by a master index volume in 1914 and later supplementary volumes. It was designed "to give its readers full and [size=15]authoritative[/size] information on the entire cycle of Catholic interests, action and doctrine"

Its preface claims the above, yet Catholic refuse to sue its writers to court? Nawa to you o. Is it because of this issue of Xmas you copied from who knows where, that made you to renounce your encyclopedia?

The Catholic Encyclopedia is not a publication of the Catholic Church...no matter how hard you try to make it so.

So grow up.

Horus:
I dont know if he later became an emperor but the question that you should ask yourself is: Why a date of birth need to be set by a mortal ?. Also, the 25th of december is nowhere to be found in your Bible.

1. Which mortal set it? Pope Clement VII in the 15th century?

2. We dont believe it has to be in the Bible.

Horus:
And did your bible talk about snow when he was born?

Give us the name of the chapter

Below is the first picture that you posted

Now right click with your mouse on your own picture and when the white window open just left click with your mouse on search Google for this image. Now you have as a result the original image of Shepherds in Iran

Shepherds moving their sheeps, between Khoy and Pasak-e Sofla, north-western Iran (picture Date january 2008 )

Source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shepherds_iran.jpg

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1985602_shepherdsiran_jpeg13c7a83102f80e39ccac60140e840ab9

So shepherds can move their sheep in winter in Iran but not in Israel?

Atheist, why are you bothered?

If there is no God and we are all products of chance, why do you consider it bad to neglect children?

philfearon:
Surely,you have comprehension problem!!

Your position is incomprehensible.

You say there is a contradiction...yet you cannot point out the contradiction.

pesty100:
i was being disturbed by the church doing night vigil yesterday, they were praying and shout that people should give their live to christ. If your sleep is be disturbed for Ogun to be praised will you have something to say about it

Oh! You're here again this morning to rant about a non-existent bring?

Do you rant about football fans when they shout in your vicinity during an important match?

Do you rant about the incessant honking of horns on the roads?

Do you rant about all the people playing loud music?

You only choose to rant about God, day and night.

philfearon:
Like seriously?
You have totally killed every other comment you will make in this section with the above Statement...

Again, God teaches. He doesn't force men to accept.

philfearon:
I had hoped that after reading that little example,you would grab the point made,but it seems you don't...
When I said "I am coming",what made me say so? what necessitated that response from me? It is because my friend asked me "where are you?" Therefore,the comment from me was answered in the context of "Where are you?"...Something leads to something,one thing leads to another,A-G,1-9....
Now,in "he bought the field with the wages of iniquity",what necessitated this statement? In what context was the passage referring to?
Hope that's clear enough.

But you already said only the person being talked to knows the context. So I am the wrong person to ask since I wasn't born then.

I thought you had asked the early Christians and they had told you.

If you haven't...and therefore dont know the context in which the statement was made...how can you assert that there is a contradiction?

philfearon:
@bolded...Since when did it become same story teller?Thought you said its different authors elaborating on details?
All I see is some whack peeps(just like you) trying so hard to cover their asses when they realised every little detail will matter when civilised people will start deciphering their work.Hence,all the annotations and doctoring and many additions,all to make the bible look authentic and pathetic brains like yours have been indoctrinated with its brainwashing!

Stop hiding behind the insults and my error about the author...yes I made a mistake. So what?

...and show us a contradiction.

You can't!

sufido123:
How do you know that I spend my life talking about God? You do not know me. For the record, Yahweh is the last thing I think about because he is omni impotent. I just wanted to show you how fallacious your christian doctrines are.

It has been an interesting discussion. You are very recalcitrant and refused to provide me any evidence of God. If you have any evidence contact me. I would be willing to listen to you then. For now good bye.

You're confused. This thread is meant to highlight the foolishness of Atheists who can't do without talking about the God they claim doesn't exist.

That, you have proved.

If you want physical proof for a non physical being, open a other thread and demonstrate more foolishness there.

ROSSIKE:
You mean the Creator has one rule for the 'Gentiles' and another rule for the Israelis?

It's ok to punish the children of the 'gentiles' for the sins of their fathers, but not the children of the 'israelis' for the sins of theirs?

What sort of biased, prejudiced, racist, ignorant deity do you worship?

I remember somewhere else 'Jesus' referring to the Canaanite 'Gentile' woman as a dog.

The religion you follow actually sees you as a sub-human compared to its 'chosen' people.

How does that make you feel?

I thought this thread was to show contradictions in the Bible.

You have failed to show a contradiction.

On another thread I can show you how God is not wicked. I don't want you to derail this one just to hide your inability to show a contradiction.

sufido123:
We have reached that point that christians get to. This is where they point to the bible and say God exists because the bible says so. This for me is too circular to proceed further

I am not trying to prove with the Bible that God exists. You are confused.

The only proof that I offer you is that you spend your life talking about God.

You say he is evil.

A non existent thing like djxjfjgjcydc cannot be evil.

sufido123:
God never made you. Your mom are dad copulated and biological materials exchanged. The product is therefore you. If a DNA analysis is done, it will show the components of your mom and dad and not that of Yahweh.

If you will criticize the God described in the Bible, you have to consider the whole description. Including that God created everything.

If you will reject the Bible's description of God's creation, then you will have to reject the accounts of God taking the lives of people.

That's why I say you're restless, agitated, confused, bitter and scatter-brained.

You don't even know whether you accept or reject the veracity of God or the Bible.

sufido123:
You still don't get it. The fact that God does not exist and the Bible account of him being nonsensical and fictional are not mutually exclusive. In your warped mind you think they are but they are not.

Make up your mind.

Does God exist or not?

Is the Bible true or erroneous?

dolphinheart:
Sir, the questions are relevant .
I want to know the location of pandanaram so as to comfirm if its in isreal like u said and also know its climate during Dec period.

On the pic issue , we dnt know where that picture is taking yet
Personaly to me, I see shepherds moving sheeps, and I believe they are being moved for a reason not explained by the pics.
The pic ill like to see is shepherds sitting or standing together in the open at night in December in isreal with sheeps looking at both the shepherds and the camera like " are you humans nuts! "

Sorry, I thought I was conversing with a human being that thinks, not a computer virus.

sufido123:
The God as described in the Bible is atrocious period. I am basing this argument on your book that is physically available. As for his existence, there is no proof. But the accounts in the bible are asinine.

Wrong. The Bible says God made us so even if he took our lives for offences he warned us about, it is just.

It is not an atrocity if you destroy what you made to serve you but has become counter-produvtive.

sufido123:
The story that you christian bought are there for the criticisms. They are funny stories created by ancient goat herders bought hook, line and sinker by the gullible. When novels are written, critics rate it for the content. The dismissal of the bible by atheists is from this angle. This is why christians cannot engage in any rational debate about the horrible bible because the bible is the weakest link for christians.

A six year old who knows elementary bible can defeat a Christian in a simple debate because the bible makes no sense.

Oh! So Yahweh doesn't exist yet he killed more people than Stalin.

sufido123:
So you don't believe that the Bible killings are true? What is true in the bible any way? The creation of the world in six days? Creating plants before sunlight? Cane being marked so he would not be killed by whom I don't know. Cane moving to the land of the Nod and finding a wife but we are not told how? Virgin birth?

Doctrines inspired by an insane according to your bible John 10:20, Mark 3:21? Where do we stop?

Yet you'd rather rant about this God than sleep at night.

Make up your confused mind.

Is God non existent or is he evil?

Is the Bible true or erroneous?

sufido123:
Please provide one evidence that God exists or just find something else to do. You can't force anyone to believe in your imaginary friend. By the way you have a high probability of being classified as an atheist too. For example, if Yahweh's alter ego Allah is the real dude, any Christian would be considered an atheist and vice versa.

It expands from there to include millions of other Gods like Sango, Ogun, Amadioha, Zeus etc. Any of these could be God and if so, you christians and Muslims would be atheists.

It seems to me that no meaningful distinction exists between getting the God wrong but believing in something and getting the God wrong but not believing in anything.

Stop opening threads to bash atheists, it is counter productive and exposes you guys as haters.

One evidence is that you keep spending your life talking about God.

sufido123:
No one comes close to Yahweh when it comes to killing. He was the worst serial killers of children, women and people that did nothing to him. David was a man after his heart but killed more people than all the people you just mentioned combined. His dowry was paid with 200 foreskins. Yahweh is a bad example of a father. He drowned almost all his children for offending him.

With Yahweh as God who needs the Devil. Yahweh can kiss my as*s because he is atrocious. You want to give minor examples of the good Christians did but you forgot that religion has been the force for evil. The ship used to enslave Africans had Jesus inscribed on it. One of the earlier popes blessed the slave merchants.

In one fell swoop Yahweh killed 1 million Ethiopians. This alone is the worst genocide recorded in the despicable bible. Yahweh killed Amalekites over and over again but not at the scale he killed Ethiopians. You should be ashamed that Yahweh also discriminates against Africans too.

Exactly what this thread is meant expose.

Atheists say Yahweh doesn't exist yet they curse him as evil.

Atheists say the Bible stories are untrue yet they Believe the Bible stories of Yahweh killing are true.

Restless, agitated, bitter, scatter brained.

Made so by satan.

philfearon:
In different timelines/lifetimes I guess?

Lol..The same writer wrote the two books bro!!

Luke could have left out certain details in each account depending on the message he was trying to convey and the audience.

If I want to tell you of the attack on Mubi with emphasis on how wicked terrorists can be, I can tell you of how they slit people's throats as they entered Mubi but leave out how the soldiers abandoned their posts until I want to tell someone else about the rot in the military.

I hope you can wrap your brain around it now.

Same story. Same story teller. Different perspectives. Both true. No contradiction.

philfearon:
If my friend who i am supposed to go out with called me on phone and asked: where are you?
And I answered: "I am coming.",I was being specific to him and he alone knows why I answered that "I am coming"...
Now,to any other person who does not know,they will likely inquire to know where I was going or what necessitated that response I made cuz they don't know,but the person I made that comment to knows!!
Specificity is the key question here bro..When the sentence "wages of iniquity" was made,what were they referring to at the particular time?

You already said only the person being talked to knows the true meaning.

If this applies to the Bible, how can you claim a contradiction when you aren't the one being talked to...hence cannot know the true meaning of what was said?

plaetton:
The Abrahamic religions are synonymous with violence and fraud.
You might as well say that we should leave violence and fraud alone.

Look at T . B clown Joshua and the negative IQ he and his fellow fraudsters are desecrating our lands with.
Who can ignore negative impacts of magical thinking in this space age?

What can make an adult ignore the charity, schools, hospitals, other contributions that only religion has offered the human race...read http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Western_civilization

...and ignore the fact that the worst mass murderers in human history are Atheist leaders like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao etc

Yet claim religion is synonymous with violence and fraud.

Only satan can make a human being so dishonest.

pesty100:
flawless logic dere mr man but u come to this forum so as to diss those dat doesnt agree(atheists) with you... And u turn back and asked them to leave u alone. Really classic

I come to this forum to talk about God. That's why you only see me on the religion section.

If I only wanted to diss people that disagree with me, I could do that on the politics, sports, romance section...or I could go to an atheist forum...but I don't do these.

dolphinheart:
Sir, u did not answer my questions
To add to it,
4) where and when where this pictures taken
5)what are the shepherds doing here. tending sheep in the field? Wey the grass?

What relevance do these questions have?

The bible says shepherds were watching their sheep.

It didn't mention "tending" or "feeding" or "grass" ...and I have shown you shepherds watching their flocks in fields in winters colder than that of Israel.

What else are you fighting for?

dolphinheart:
Questions
1.where is padanaram in isreal?what's their present climatic condition.
2. What's the distance from Bethlehem.
3 . Did the scriptures state that Jacob "was in the field" during this time.

Bros , I been go one country near that area this same period sometime ago,Bro it was cold both indoors and outdoors (despite modern building structure, unlike jacobs time. And we should note, Kevin no get duvee o ). I was even praying to see the heat and mosquito of naija as soon as possible

I guess the pics above show that shepherds could easily tend their sheep in fields in winter.

The place you went to, was it as cold as you see in the pics?

Horus:
The shepherds were outdoors in the fields tending their flocks, which they only did in the summer months

Now your December 25th is simply the Roman Festival of Saturnalia to worship the Roman god Saturn. Dies Natalis Solis Invicti means 'birthday of the unconquered sun' and was held on December 25th (when the Romans thought the Winter Solstice took place) and was the 'birthday' of the Pagan Sun god Mithra.

You have no proof of the bold.

I have proof that shepherds tend their sheep in the fields in winters that are even far colder than that of Bethlehem.

Here are pictures.