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Christianity Etc › Re: Cardinals And Bishops Have Disowned Fr. Mbaka Over His Statement About GEJ by italo: 9:26am On Jan 06, 2015

Olasum:
They are all hypocrite

How?

Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by italo: 8:01am On Jan 06, 2015

Image123:
He goes further to describe a sinner as a vile offender and criminal. When the sinner is forgiven, he is well, a forgiven criminal. He has been given presidential pardon, but we all know and he well remembers he is a forgiven pardoned criminal. He's got to hang his head a little low and endure the shame, ridicule, and gossip around about his past life and debt. But justification, that one. He is righteous! He is seen as if he never did anything wrong. He's seen like Jesus as it were. Not just forgiven, but a child of God and brother of Jesus Himself. He can hang his head high like na we get this street. That is justification. It has nothing to do with not been able to sin again. Of course a rich man can become a debtor if careless and prodigal. And a son can commit crime if foolish enough.

This one is making sense.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did The Catholic Church Not Disagree With Mbaka When He Supported GEJ? by italo: 7:54am On Jan 06, 2015

How do you know they didnt disagree?

What if they did privately...because that story wasn't as publicized as this his last sermon.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Full Gist From Adoration Ministry Enugu by italo: 7:31am On Jan 06, 2015

adsonstone:
The point is simply for honesty's sake.
I've said that before...and yet
you've not still answered.

Here are the questions again for the fourth time, in case you missed them the first three times.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

Will you answer or just agree that you're dishonest?

And how many times do I have to tell you you can conclude what you like? 50?

adsonstone:
I pointed out something in his sermon...which is the claim he made that 'he received his message from the Holy Spirit.'

He said he was announcing change by the power of the Holy Spirit...from the Oracle of the Holy Spirit. "May the Holy Spirit help me to vocalize what he has shown to me while I was waiting on him to give me a message for my people?" "May the Holy Spirit help me to vocalize..."

I can conclude that he claimed to announce change from the oracle of the Holy Spirit. I can conclude that he claimed to recieve a message from the Holy Spirit. I cannot conclude that he ended up vocalizing it. It is very possible...but he never categorically said that.

adsonstone:
The only thing I need from you is to know whether you agree with this statement or not.

I already said 'how can I know whether it is from the Holy Spirit or not?'

adsonstone:
If you need to know the message in particular, it is up to you to determine what the message is from his sermon...or simply contact him and ask him.

But I dont need to know the particular message. What purpose will it serve?

adsonstone:
If you ask if I agree or disagree with a statement made by my Pastor, I won't hesitate in answering unless I don't wanna answer which I will also state. I see no reason why you hesitant in agreeing to your Rev Fr's statement or otherwise.

I told you a long time ago that the summary of his message was that we need change in Nigeria and that everyone agrees with that.

I already said "how can I know if his claim that he got a message from the Holy Spirit is true or not?"

Which of his statements am I hesitating to take a stand on?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Full Gist From Adoration Ministry Enugu by italo: 7:23pm On Jan 05, 2015

adsonstone:
Still trying to evade the questions?
All these won't help.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

This is the third time I'm asking.

I already said you can conclude what you like, so what's the point in asking these?

adsonstone:
Yes.
Infact, "message" could be just a phrase or even a word in the whole sermon. I know that.

However, the whole sermon can be the message. No?

Yes.

That's why I asked earlier "which message?"...when you asked this:

so, it is safe to say that he lays claim to the Holy Spirit as the source of his message. Disagree?

Which message? A word, a phrase, or the whole sermon?

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Catholics by italo: 1:14pm On Jan 05, 2015

deracathy:
Ok. Thanks italo

You're welcome. It is very difficult...but many have left the ones they love because of Jesus and his Catholic Church.

Me too.

We cannot choose man...in place of the God-Jesus-Eucharist who gave us the man in the first place.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Catholics by italo: 1:08pm On Jan 05, 2015

From the CCC

II. TAKING THE NAME OF THE LORD IN VAIN

2150 The second commandment forbids false oaths. Taking an oath or swearing is to take God as witness to what one affirms. It is to invoke the divine truthfulness as a pledge of one's own truthfulness. An oath engages the Lord's name. "You shall fear the LORD your God; you shall serve him, and swear by his name."81

2151 Rejection of false oaths is a duty toward God. As Creator and Lord, God is the norm of all truth. Human speech is either in accord with or in opposition to God who is Truth itself. When it is truthful and legitimate, an oath highlights the relationship of human speech with God's truth. A false oath calls on God to be witness to a lie.

2152 A person commits perjury when he makes a promise under oath with no intention of keeping it, or when after promising on oath he does not keep it. Perjury is a grave lack of respect for the Lord of all speech. Pledging oneself by oath to commit an evil deed is contrary to the holiness of the divine name.

2153 In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus explained the second commandment: "You have heard that it was said to the men of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.' But I say to you, Do not swear at all. . . . Let what you say be simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything more than this comes from the evil one."82 Jesus teaches that every oath involves a reference to God and that God's presence and his truth must be honored in all speech. Discretion in calling upon God is allied with a respectful awareness of his presence, which all our assertions either witness to or mock.

2154 Following St. Paul,83 the tradition of the Church has understood Jesus' words as not excluding oaths made for grave and right reasons (for example, in court). "An oath, that is the invocation of the divine name as a witness to truth, cannot be taken unless in truth, in judgment, and in justice."84

2155 The holiness of the divine name demands that we neither use it for trivial matters, nor take an oath which on the basis of the circumstances could be interpreted as approval of an authority unjustly requiring it. When an oath is required by illegitimate civil authorities, it may be refused. It must be refused when it is required for purposes contrary to the dignity of persons or to ecclesial communion

Sal C, Ubenedictus, Rich4god, Jnrbayano...pls read and see if it's clear enough.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Catholics by italo: 12:54pm On Jan 05, 2015

deracathy:
Hello Everyone, Good to be part of this family.
I'm humbled to be a Catholic.

I am currently having big misunderstanding in my relationship right now.
My Guy was a Catholic(baptized And confirmed) until he left for RCCG in 2012( to rekindle his spiritual Life as he said).
we are compatible in other aspects of our relationship Except the church we worship.
Right now he stands on his ground that he's Not coming back to the church And he won't let me be Where I am.
I love him, But for me I'm Not leaving the Catholic church For anybody Not even my parents.

Please I need your kind advice. Thanks

I dont think you should be having a "misunderstanding" with him. I think you should break up with him now. Because you cannot leave the Catholic faith and he has said he wont let you stay in it.

Receive communion in the hand so that you can hold Jesus...then go hold your "guy" in your hands.

Whom do you choose?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Full Gist From Adoration Ministry Enugu by italo: 8:55am On Jan 05, 2015

adsonstone:
The point?
Simply for honesty sake.

That's a simple question...it is better to say you can't tell than saying the above...it makes you seem dishonest and unaccountable to your words.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done
that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done
that you're uncomfortable with?

You're in no position to tell me the "better" thing to say.

However, you are perfectly free to believe I lied... and that Fr Mbaka and the Holy Spirit have never made me uncomfortable. It would only be your ignorant belief though.

adsonstone:
Telling the truth that?

You didn't say what he might be telling lies about.

adsonstone:
I didn't also say Fr Mbaka said his speech is from the Holy Spirit.

Maybe you did not get me or you're trying to twist the whole thing.

I said;
"However, he made it clear that he
waited on the Holy Spirit for a message, the Holy Spirit showed him something,
and the article above is the message he
delivered. Also, he said that the Holy
Spirit should help him deliver what he
has been shown...so, it is safe to say
that he lays claim to the Holy Spirit as
the source of his message.

"Message" could be just one line or two in the sermon. Yes or no?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Full Gist From Adoration Ministry Enugu by italo: 8:04am On Jan 05, 2015

plaetton:
Nairaland Italo, tacitly supporting pius fraudsters since 2000BC.

Your frustration has been noticed, satan.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Daily Prayer For Nigeria In Distress by italo: 8:02am On Jan 05, 2015

mmsen:
Your Jesus appears to have a lot of churches with a number of contradictory doctrines.

Your frustration has been noticed, satan.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Full Gist From Adoration Ministry Enugu by italo: 7:33pm On Jan 04, 2015

adsonstone:
Alright.

1. What has Rev. Fr Mbaka ever done that you're not comfortable with?
2. What has the Holy Spirit ever done that you're uncomfortable with?

What is the point?

adsonstone:
I don't know but I know it is possible he's lying.

And it is possible he is telling the truth.

adsonstone:
His speech of course!
The article.

I dont see where he said his "speech" is from the Holy Spirit. Can you show me?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by italo: 7:26pm On Jan 04, 2015

dolphinheart:
Ok, you dnt believe that the date is accurate.

You dnt believe that the date is not accurate.

You believe I do not have prove that jesus was not born on Dec 25th

Do you believe that the op does not have prove that jesus was born on Dec 25th ?

I have not bothered to make more findings about his post. For now it seems the accuracy of what he is saying is too difficult to determine.

The reason i havent bothered is that it really doesnt matter much whether he was born on 25th Dec or 24th Dec. What matters is that Jesus was born and we celebrate his birth every 25th Dec.

Do you agree with the bold?

Christianity Etc › Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by italo: 5:29pm On Jan 04, 2015

dolphinheart:
So u re sitting on the fence on this one right . ?
U neither believe the op or those who are against his assertions right?

i neither believe nor disbelieve that the date is accurate.

i believe that you do not have proof that Jesus wasnt born on 25th december.

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions About Religious People And Their Children by italo: 2:29pm On Jan 04, 2015

Joshthefirst:
That depends on your definition of wonderful. Raising a child without teaching him about Jesus is not wonderful upbringing to me. Sorry.

I have said enough about my faith and my children. You never said your thread was about comparison now did you?

Let him tell us what he means by "wonderful" and why the whole humanity must adhere to his idea of wonderful.

it was wonderful to Hitler to kill 6 million Jews.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Daily Prayer For Nigeria In Distress by italo: 2:24pm On Jan 04, 2015

They get restless, frustrated, scatter-brained at any mention of Jesus or his Church.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Daily Prayer For Nigeria In Distress by italo: 2:22pm On Jan 04, 2015

mmsen:
Even your mythical Jesus reportedly asked why your merciful god abandoned him.

Doesn't that tell you something?

Maybe you should stop pleading with fairy tale characters.

Your frustration has been noticed, satan.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Full Gist From Adoration Ministry Enugu by italo: 2:21pm On Jan 04, 2015

adsonstone:
Were you not the one that made these statements?

Who is fooling who?

No one ever said Fr Mbaka is the Holy Spirit. Grow up.

adsonstone:
Simple. You don't know.

And you do?

adsonstone:
Neither did he say the entire sermon was not directly from the Spirit.
However, he made it clear that he waited on the Holy Spirit for a message, the Holy Spirit showed him something, and the article above is the message he delivered. Also, he said that the Holy Spirit should help him deliver what he has been shown...so, it is safe to say that he lays claim to the Holy Spirit as the source of his message. Disagree?

Which message?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Catholic Daily Prayer For Nigeria In Distress by italo: 1:51pm On Jan 04, 2015

And we have been praying that prayer long long before the rest of Nigerians realized we were in distress.

Christianity Etc › Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by italo: 1:47pm On Jan 04, 2015

dolphinheart:
you believe the Dec 25th date is accurate right? Pls on what calender(s) was this date derived from,and what calender are we using presently to measure that date?. remembering that not all calenders are the same and none is accurate in relation to time and earth movement and none is constant as to dates in relation to the each other .

Humans cannot accurately measure time.
Definitely dates change in the real sense of it.
If you have a reply to this, pls do add the answer to the questions

i neither believe nor disbelieve that the date is accurate.

i believe that you do not have proof that Jesus wasnt born on 25th december.

Christianity Etc › Re: Reverend Father Mbaka's Unfortunate Endorsement. by italo: 1:43pm On Jan 04, 2015

freeradical:
Bros i disagree with your stance on this one. The Catholic church has always maintained an apolitical stance on political matters.

Can you show evidence of this? Any Catholic Church document or any other proof of this?

freeradical:
He has insulted his office of priesthood by openly campaigning for the opposition. I have no problem with him criticizing a failing govt because as a priest he has every right to say the truth irrespective of whose ox is goared.

Can you show proof that he campaigned for the opposition?

freeradical:
If you support this then what is the justification for the catholic bishops conference pulling out of CAN?

Please read the actual letter from the Catholic Bishops to CAN here:

www.premiumtimesng.com/news/116774-why-we-pulled-out-of-can-catholic-bishops.html

Scroll down to read full letter.

Fr Mbaka has not said vote Buhari, he has only encouraged us to put religious and other sentiments aside and embrace change.

That is precisely the opposite of divisive politics that the Catholic Bishops accused CAN of.

*Note, i am neither in support of Fr Mbaka nor against him. I dont feel comfortable with the way he goes about certain things...i think he should be more prudent.

However, i havent seen anything wrong with the content of his sermon.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Full Gist From Adoration Ministry Enugu by italo: 1:10pm On Jan 04, 2015

honourhim:
I'm a Jonathan person but the content of this sermon is the truth and has weakened my support for GEJ. The source of the message is what I'm not sure of. It may be Holy Spirit or his own spirit that told him.

Anyways let me be watching events as they unfold before I make up my mind on who to support. Buhari is also not the best though.

Judging from this transcript, Fr Mbaka did not necessarily canvass support for Buhari.

What he does strongly, is canvass for change.

Even if Buhari becomes president and things get worse, it wont negate Fr Mbaka's view that the Holy Spirit wants change. He didnt say the Holy Spirit wants Buhari, remember that.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Full Gist From Adoration Ministry Enugu by italo: 1:05pm On Jan 04, 2015

adsonstone:
Is Rev. Fr Mbaka now the Holy Spirit?
When did he become the Holy Spirit?

Where did Fr Mbaka or anyone else claim that Fr Mbaka is the Holy Spirit? undecided

What is the matter? Are you just agitated because the man is a Catholic Priest?

adsonstone:
Yes, we need change!
We all know that.

If the summary is true, the details should be true. Do you agree with that?

Not necessarily.

adsonstone:
However, He said the message is from the Holy Spirit, how true is that?

Which kind yeye question be dis? How can i know if it is true or not?

Fr Mbaka never said the entirety of his sermon was directly from the Holy Spirit. The article is still there for you to read.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Full Gist From Adoration Ministry Enugu by italo: 9:45am On Jan 04, 2015

jnrbayano:
I think he speaks as the spirit gives him utterance.

Saints John the Baptist and Stephen easily comes to mind.

adsonstone:
I suppose all these are directly from the Holy Spirit as he indicated in the speech...
...and as jnrbayano thinks.

The summary of the sermon is that we need change in Nigeria.

Everyone knows that is the truth.

About my being uncomfortable, it is normal to be uncomfortable when the Holy Spirit does certain things...

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Full Gist From Adoration Ministry Enugu by italo: 8:51am On Jan 04, 2015

I'm a Catholic. I respect Fr Mbaka as a priest. I am not always comfortable with the way he goes about certain things though...i think he should be more prudent.

However, i find nothing wrong with the content of this sermon.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Do Catholics Bow To During Mass by italo: 8:48am On Jan 04, 2015

Nimen:
Okay this thread is not to bash Catholics but to ask a small question...

So i was in a wedding ceremony yesterday and during the mass after the Rev. Father finished preaching (which i enjoyed) he went and bowed to one thing that was hanging on the wall, so did everybody who stepped on the podium that day, they bowed before going to speak, even the altar boys bowed before they left, during offering i couldn't see much because of the crowd, it seemed as a wooden stuff hanged to the wall and i couldn't make much out of it.

You should know what i'm talking about now, what do catholics bow to during mass?

What they were bowing to was Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. We believe that the bread and wine truly become Jesus' body and blood when they are consecrated at mass. Some of which are kept in a tabernacle (usually a beautiful ornamented 'little house' behind the altar.

Bowing is a sign of respect for Jesus who is there.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Exactly Is The Significance Of Crossover Night ? by italo: 8:41am On Jan 04, 2015

For me, end of year is a time to take stock. Businesses do it. Other organizations do it. But what better way to take stock of your life than to check in with our Father who gave us the life.

The mass is always very solemn and awesome.

Also, you get share the felicitations with your Church family...a family which is very important to a Catholic.

Another reason a Catholic would do it is that Jan 1 is a 'Holy Day of Obligation' meaning we must go to Church...and many times, attending 31st December Mid night mass suffices for that.

It is not a must...but those are reasons Catholics do it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Open Forum:why Do People Always Like To End The Year In Church? by italo: 8:34am On Jan 04, 2015

Christianity Etc › Re: Reverend Father Mbaka's Unfortunate Endorsement. by italo: 8:09am On Jan 04, 2015

Gmajor:
men of God should stay away from politics simple

Why are you more qualified to talk about politics than Fr. Mbaka?

Is he not a Nigerian?

Is he not an adult?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Reverend Father Mbaka's Unfortunate Endorsement. by italo: 8:05am On Jan 04, 2015

englishmart:
this is why when I go to church, and the man of God starts discussing politics, I leave the church immediately....

Politics is for politicians. Clergies must stay off....

You seem not to know that clergymen are citizens too.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Questions About Religious People And Their Children by italo: 5:19am On Jan 04, 2015

mmsen:
There are billions of people on this planet who are raised without any knowledge of Jesus.

Many of them turn out wonderfully.

The less mysticism that you fill a child's head with the better.

It's odd to grow up realizing that your parents force fed you a fairy tale. Sad even that said fairy tale could tear a family apart should one or all of the children choose to ask the hard questions about religious 'faith'.

All you said above are without evidence. Just you own opinion.

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions About Religious People And Their Children by italo: 5:11am On Jan 04, 2015

mmsen:
The above is the thought process of a morally bankrupt human being.

What is so difficult about treating other human beings with love and consideration as a matter of principle?

Do you really need a fairy tale to inform you of the need to treat the next generation with love?

1. Before you say I'm "morally bankrupt," you should be able to explain what is "moral."

2. Whose standard/definition of "love and consideration "should all humans follow? I know Atheists like you who abuse (have sex with) children because they (claim to) love these children. Is this what you too mean by "love and consideration?"
www.nambla.org
At least no Catholic who abused children has defended his actions as good.

3. Does your definition of "love and consideration" for the "next generation," like that of most Atheists, include killing them in the womb when you see them as a burden?

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