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ROSSIKE:
You are a brainwashed drunkard if you cannot see any contradictions as posted throughout this thread.

No amount of insults will insert a contradiction in the Bible when there is none.

JMAN05:
Its ok Sir. but consider d advise.

I will...when you advise your watchtower society to stop propagating lies and false prophesies from satan.

Horus:
No, here you are not dealing with facts you are just arguing

The picture is not a proof of the presence of cold, winter or snow at the time of Jesus birth (Day of birth), because the presence of cold, winter or snow is not mentioned in your bible at the time of Jesus birth. (Day of birth)

So here you are the one trying to mask your ignorance and lies by laughing. So dont try to fool people with a picture, because the picture is not an irrefutable proof that your Jesus was born in December. Where are your evidences?

Where are you proofs of the presence of cold, winter or snow at the time of Jesus birth? (Day of birth)

At the moment you cannot even give us proofs that your Jesus was born in December because there is no proofs of the presence of cold, winter or snow at the time of Jesus birth? (Day of birth)

We are still waiting for your "evidences" but instead you are just arguing with no facts. Where are your evidences?

I'm not using the pics to prove that Jesus was born in the winter. I'm not interested in doing that now.

I'm only interested in proving that you were wrong to say shepherds only watch sheep in summer. The pics prove you wrong.

Shepherds watch in winter too...so the nativity story could easily have happened in winter.

mmsen:
Because how children are treated (or mistreated) has a great bearing on the welfare of a nation. Abused people go onto abuse others.

If we only have one life we should make the best of it by doing right by each other in the here and now.

Atheist, if there is no God, what makes you say it is wrong to abuse children or anyone else?

JMAN05:
Italo, what you said ^^ is false cos its fallible.

Italo a document that claims to give an authoritative info about ur doctrine has been in circulation for decades, and your scholars, the Press, and many people quote it as an accurate reference work about ur doctrine. Since all this while, neither ur Pope nor your scholars have sue them to court nor excommunicated them. Italo, I am quoting that document as a proof of what the Catholic Church teach. Go and challenge what they wrote and sue them to court to detach that page.

Or better still, let them remove that statement in there preface that claims it gives an authoritative info about ur doctrine. Tell ur Pope to tell them to remove that claim. As far as that statement is there, it is an ACCURATE REFERENCE WORK FOR UR RCC DOCTRINE. You cant even win that case in court. Can u stop d dance now?

The New Catholic Encyclopedia doesnt have what you claim on its preface...and it doesnt say what you ascribe to it. You are lying.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia doesnt claim to teach Catholic doctrine infallibly, so the Catholic Church will not sue the editors.

JMAN05:
My word for you= Sorry.

You are the one to provide a proof for your claim. The document I stated exists, if the words are not there, the anus is on you to show it to me. It is not done by just saying "it is not there". Thats funny.

But try and work on ur sincerity dude.

It is not done by saying "it is there."

Show me.

MRosario:
You're contradicting urself, its actually religious people who entice the atheist into arguments, hardly will you see an atheist (not a Satanist or Frosbel o) opening an argument based thread here, but if they now start commenting on our thread we opened we now turn around and...............

The above is false. See evidence below:

www.nairaland.com/1522807/yahweh-freewill
www.nairaland.com/434436/yahweh-lying-angels
www.nairaland.com/2073914/why-pastors-sell-sermons

Dont even try to challenge it because there are dozens more threads by Atheists just to attack God.

If i were an Atheist, convinced that there is no God, i'd hardly ever visit the "religion" section.

These ones that do so always are insecure and confused.

JMAN05:
That it proposes does it mean its info are inaccurate? It proposed, and in its content, it fulfilled the proposal. I ask: Have the Pope or you yourself challenged it's contents?

Fallibility does not mean that something is perforce wrong. What you yourself say in this forum is fallible, but that the Pope hasn't signed it does not make it wrong. The gentle men that wrote the encyclopedia have a rounded knowledge of Catholic doctrine more than you do. So when they say they provide a reference material that has an authoritative information about the Catholic Church, they aren't joking. In short this argument is irrelevant. A publication by your scholars claims to be not only a reference work about your doctrine, but have an authoritative info about it. And its writers have not been declared heretics. So can you stop this dance? if there claim is not true, the RCC will sue them to court. You think Encyclopedia about a religion can just be written anyhow by anybody? Habah! argument.

You are wasting your time because:

1. You have not shown that the New Catholic Encyclopedia says what you ascribe to it.

2. The Catholic Church has many many infallible documents, and they dont include the New Catholic Encyclopedia. What this means is that even if the Encyclopedia says what you claim it says (which i say is a lie), we Catholics are at liberty to believe it or not if that statement is not an official teaching of the Church.

Can you understand it now?

JMAN05:
You cant. It is not done by just saying. It is a reference work.

I do claim that that page says nothing like that.

And you cannot prove otherwise. You have no snapshot of the page and no link.

You just want me to believe your false claim.

RikoduoSennin:
I pointed out place you can research because you won't agree with what I tell you but you refuse to check it out for yourself.

There is simply no secular document that indicated that first century christians celebrated Christmas anywhere, not even on single birthday for that matter.

That was a typho-error! I have modified that past. The RCC did not exist prior to 100 A.D

There is no verifiable document also that says early Christians didnt celebrate Christmas or birthdays.

So in what year did the Catholic Church come into existence?

RikoduoSennin:
Cartalog of Canon books for the Hebrew Scriptures and the christian greek scriptures existed before 382- Council of Cathage!

Show me the "Cartalog of Canon books" and tell me the books it contained and whether it was a Catholic 'Catalog' or your Jehovah's Witnesses 'Catalog.'

The Council of Carthage didnt hold in 382. You dont know what you are saying. You are just guessing.

RikoduoSennin:
Apostle John was the last living Apostle (he outlived the others). After his death Apostasy creep into the christian Churches hence EVERY BOOKS WRITTEN AFTER THAT IS NOT INSPIRED.

You're saying the Church that compiled the Bible was an apostate Church!

You're saying God's Church ceased to exist after the death of John!

You're saying the Holy Spirit cannot inspire an individual to write scripture even if the Church was apostate!

Where did the Bible or the Holy Spirit tell you these things?

You see what antiCatholicism does to a soul? It makes you a liar...a servant of satan - the father of lies.

RikoduoSennin:
Apart from the Apostles, No one claim to be inspired to write the holy scriptures.

Where does the Bible or the Holy Spirit tell you this?

Which apostle wrote the book of Hebrews?

Were Luke and Mark apostles?

RikoduoSennin:
Cartologs existed before 382: It was the RCC that added the Apochryphal books knowing fully well that they were not canon. They did more harm than good.

Show me details of the 'cartologs' and show me when the Catholic Church added any books.

Where did the Bible or the Holy Spirit say these things?

I hope you are not getting information from the evil spirit that inspired Jehovah's Witnesses to lie that the world would end several times and many other false prophecies that didnt come to pass.

JMAN05:
The New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. X (Washington, DC: Catholic University of America, 1967), 250.

You know you havent shown proof that the New Catholic Encyclopedia says that. I can equally claim that that page doesnt say that.

Right?

RikoduoSennin:
Please research the History of Christmas from Google, Wikipedia, Encyclopedia Britanica, Encyclopedia Encarta, Catholic Encyclopedia.

Research how Christmas celebration was BANNED in one country to another and WHY? Research the Saint Nicholas Myth AKA Santa Claus

FACT:
It does not exist in the bible, It started/originated from the Catholic church which was in existence during the 1st century C.E or A.D

You havent shown me who told you that early Christians didnt celebrate Christmas.

You are admitting the Catholic Church existed in the first century before Bible, right?

RikoduoSennin:
Acts 17:11 "These where more Noble than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with all eagerness, EXAMINING 'THE SCRIPTURES' DAILY to see if these things were so "

Do not be deceived, Early Christians have been reading the 'Scriptures' before it was compiled into a BOOK- Latin BIBLE.

They have it in the form of Parchments and Scrolls-- 2 Timothy 4:13;

These scrolls and Parchments were compiled into a Book for convenience sake not that the Catholic church invented the Bible.

Did Acts 17:11 tell you the books that should be considered "scripture" and the ones that shouldnt?

The Catholic Church did that in 382. No?

Did the early Christians before 100AD read the book of Revelation?

When did the Holy Spirit tell you he stopped inspiring men to write scripture? It was the Catholic Church that declared the Canon of scripture closed. No?

Horus:
1 - You just confessed that the date of 25th of december is nowhere to be found in your Bible.

2 - You just confessed that the word Chistmas is not mentioned anywhere in your Bible

3 - You just confessed that your bible do not talk about snow when he was born

4 - You just confessed that there is no chapter in the bible where the presence cold is mentioned at the time of birth

5 - Conclusion: on that date you are just celebrating Santa Claus

Then your action of quoting this picture with snow was irrelevant and misleading

This one is trying to mask his ignorance and lies by laughing.

The pics prove that shepherds watch their sheep in winter, not only summer as you ignorantly claimed.

So the Christmas story could easily have happened in winter.

Horus:
There are only two possibility:

1 - Being mortal

2 - Being immortal

The date was not set by an immortal person, so the date can only be set by a mortal person.

So show me how it is contrary to all common sense and fact

Now, remember!, you are the one who started this thread by screaming loudly: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 (The title of your thread), yet, that date of the 25th of december is nowhere to be found in your Bible. Strange, isn't it?

You are the one who believes that every Christian practise has to be mentioned in the Bible. Not us. So you are only arguing against your own position, not ours.

You still cannot own up to your lie that 25th December was established in the 15th century.

RikoduoSennin:
About this topic?

Churches existed during the time of the Apostles- The first century yet it took century later for this date in question to emerge.

Why did Early christians not celebrate this date/birthday ?

Why should christians celebrate it now ? What changed with time as regard Christian belief ?

1. Who told you the early Christians didnt celebrate Christmas? Please show me where you get the info from.

2. The early Christians didnt have a Bible until 382 when the Synod of Rome gave us a Bible.

Why do you use it today?

JMAN05:
But it gives an authoritative info about the Catholic Church. It was written by Catholic scholars. Neither you nor the Catholic Church have challenge its content as being false since its inception, though it had been a popular reference material that even eminent scholars quote as an accurate reference material.

Such a book as encyclopedia are not just written about a religion with a religious name, and the religion it claims to represent keeps mum. My brother encyclopedias are not written that way. Even if the Pope was not the one who initiated the writing, the info therein is with a full knowledge of the catholic faith.

The info is authoritative. If you say no, challenge them to court or sue them to the Pope or declare them heretics. They are ur brothers.

You havent shown us where the New Catholic Encyclopedia claims to give authoritative information. I only know that it proposes to give authoritative information. But it can fall short because it is nowhere declared an infallible document of the Church like Sacred Scripture or the Catechism or Papal Encyclical or any other infallible documents.

JMAN05:
Ubenedictus

“The date of December 25 does not correspond to Christ’s birth,” acknowledges the New Catholic Encyclopedia, “but to the feast of the Natalis Solis Invicti, the Roman sun festival at the solstice.”

1. Before we waste our energy too much, please show us where the "New Catholic Encyclopedia" says the above.

TunjiMsp:
they all don't wake up you up by 5am to come patronise them

So the reason you want all street preachers banned is because a small fraction of them preach by 5am? Is that logical?

Besides is you dont like 5am preaching, and i dont like 2pm marketing, and another person doesnt like 10pm soliciting prostitutes, and another doesnt like 10am political campaigns...

...Why should we pick on street preachers alone?

Horus:
The point is: Where is the word winter mentioned in your bible at the time of birth

Show us any sentence with: shepherds in winter mentioned in your bible at the time of birth

A picture with snow cannot be used as evidence if snow or cold are not even mentioned in your bible at the time of birth

As long as you cannot provide evidences of the presence of snow, winter or cold in your bible at the time of birth, then your claim is just that, a claim based entirely on blind beliefs, not a fact. You just assert something, without providing evidence or proof from your bible

I am not making any claim. I am only debunking your claim below:

Jesus Was Born In The Summer

Sadly, most modern day Christians think that Jesus was born on December 25, a date established by Pope Clement VII (1478-1534 A.D.), a Roman Emperor. He became Pope in November of 1523-1534. With that, it became believable that Jesus was born on December 25, a winter month. But the mere fact that the shepherds were outdoors in the fields tending their flocks, which they only did in the summer months, Jesus son of Mary was in fact, based on the scriptures of Luke 2:8 born in the summer. In Jerusalem during the month of December, it is very cold, and there is no way this child could be born in the cold.

The pictures are proof that shepherds dont only tend their sheep in summer as you said.

They also do that in winter. So the story in Luke could have happened in winter.

Horus:
Just agree that you just confessed that the date of 25th of december is nowhere to be found in your Bible.

So what are you celebrating on that date? Santa Claus?

The Christian faith is not dependent on the Bible. It existed before the Bible.

We celebrated Christ's birth on 25th of December.

Now can you tell us the mortal that established the date 25th December?

You still maintain it was Pope Clement VII in the 15th century?

philfearon:
......And the liar is caught in between his signature lies!!
Hypocrite,that's what you are!

How?

ellechrystal:
Please use a condom or u abstain. Those r the two best methods. Please leave drugs pills n herbal stuffs out 4 now so u don't lower ur chances of having kids later, or ve an injury in ur reproductive organ.

please how can i contact you. I think i might urgently need your advice. My nairaland email doesnt work.

philfearon:
The question is not "why are you quoting me",cuz I know you did quote me in the past,just like I did quote you..
The question is whats with all the renewed vibrancy in quoting me today?
You have not quoted me like this before,not even when we were sharing our respective ideas!

No reason.

philfearon:
What's with all the renewed vibrancy and determination in quoting my posts with alacrity?
Did Jesus visit you on New Years Day or is that your Catholic New year Resolution?

But you quote me too...because this is an open forum.

CAPTIVATOR:
Am not against preaching BUT

As early as 5am .... For what ? Who will listen at such hours ?? Ar they shy ??

Some people listen by 5am.

CAPTIVATOR:
What am saying is not meant to offend anyone , except the teachers and preachers of lies, fabrication and myths

What exactly is the lie?

CAPTIVATOR:
Nobody .... " the soul that sin - shall die" ! Eze 18:4 ,20 ! So dont be suprised that Adam died and return to dust ( Gen 3:19) !!

What exactly is your rage about?

CAPTIVATOR:
This shows the fabricated idea of an hell myth where God roast his own earthly sons and daughters in fire .... His own creatures, is disgusting to God himself !!! Of course, NO Human will burn his son or daughter in fire ... Infact a person can go to jail for such ! It repels God ( ponder over jeremiah 7:31, 19:5, 32:35)



The whole religion fiction make me laugh ..... Imagine God sent his son to die for our sin ? Which sin ? .. Dont forget u religious folks already said people go to heaven when they die even before Jesus come ! So noah, abraham, david are in heaven already , why did Jesus Die ?? Which Sin Again ??

Once again .... If the penalty for sin is hell, then we expect Jesus to pay the ransom by tastin hell for everyone ! Did he burn in such fire to pay for sin ? BIG NO .Inequality at its highest

Since d penalty for sin is simply death .. Jesus simply taste death for everyone

Who did God burn?

CAPTIVATOR:
... Let us reason , so that you would know God

1) do u feel any compassion towards people who are suffering ? U do , i bliv God do too, aftrall we ar created in his image .. Or is he so rigid dat he cant have compassion ?? Not rigid as uv painted him ... Uhm !

2) do u feel sorry for innocent people dat are been maltreated by the rich ? I know u do ... U did bcoz its a nature of God himself

So , answer this .... Cos i bliv anything that repel an human being is disgusting to God : CAN YOU BURN UR SON ALIVE IN THE FIRE ??

No.

Do you think God burnt his son in hell?

If so, why do you think so?

philfearon:
The old me could have destroyed you for not sticking to my warning..
But then,with time you will realise that Both Christians,Moslems,Pagans,Atheists,Agnostics,neutrals,satanists,etc who are all Black people(or Muurians) are one and the same,and that we all share in the same Goodness of the Cosmic unity!
Peace bro!

You cant destroy anyone but yourself.

pesty100:
i was being disturbed by the church doing night vigil yesterday, they were praying and shout that people should give their live to christ. If your sleep is be disturbed for Ogun to be praised will you have something to say about it

I would have something to say about it but i would spend all my strength and life on it...

...and i believe deities like ogun exist.

much less what i believe doesnt exist

pesty100:
We all talk about superman even though we know he doesn't exist.... But a problem arises when a segment of the population thinks he is real and tries to push him on everybody

1. You and who dey talk about superman? Show me the conversations you've had about superman on nairaland.

2. No one is forcing God on you here. How can they?