₦airaland Forum

airmark:
Well some of us didn't berate Achebe.

Saying Messi >>>> Yekini, is even a plus for Yekini.
May the soul of the gangling striker rest in peace.

OasisX:


We go manage am like that. We are boycotting VISA henceforth bruh.

DeadPresidents:
Saka Zimbabwe

OasisX:


Wetin do am bro?!

OasisX:


I don break mine into several pieces already. We no go patronise them again. Verve and mastercard are better alternatives.

liveLongNprospa:
So what do you think will happen if the government makes the profession alot more rewarding.

You think the japa wave won't reduce.
What do you think would happen if the government reduces insecurity..

That would further reduce the rate these guys japa.
Once again it doesn't mean some won't migrate but it that rate will drop because like I've consistently told you.


NOT EVERYBODY THAT TRAVELS ACTUALLY WANTS TO TRAVEL OUT.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUSHED TO THE WALL BY NIGERIA THAT NO MATTER THE EXCUSE THEY'VE TRIED TO MAKE TO REMAIN, THIS COUNTRY STILL FVCKS IT UP.
GIVE DOCTORS BETTER PAY.
PROVIDE THEM WITH BETTER EQUIPMENTS TO WORK WITH AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO PASS A LAW THAT SAYS THEY SHOULD STAY THEN PASS A LAW THAT BARS PUBLIC SERVANTS FROM TRAVELLING OUT TOO FOR ANY FORM OF MEDICAL SERVICE.

THIS WILL MAKE MORE DOCTORS TO STAY

Nezzjnr:
Japa wave didn't go up.

We no Japa reach Indians.

People Don dey Japa since the 90s.... The Internet is just making it known.

Doctors full ground yapa.... Forget what you're seeing on Twitter or Nairaland.

Do you know how many Doctors are getting inducted every year??

When I left Father Edeh and his Property few years back.... Do you know how many Year 3 students that were being screened out of Faculty of Medicine.

For every Doctor leaving... There are Hundreds of Doctors waiting to replace that Doctor.

liveLongNprospa:
We have asked you to tell us what caused japa wave to go up in the last 3yrs?
Especially as the process even became more expensive and more competitive..
Why doctors dey japa aggressively now.

If you answer that question, then you'll at the very least get an answer to your question.

plat0:
I've been reading comments on this thread and the opposing side is yet to proffer a viable solution to the question you asked, I get tired and sick of reading comments of Nigerians online, they criticize everything, when you ask them to come up with solutions, they write more bullshiit, how much can you possibly pay Nigerian doctors to prevent them from leaving Nigeria? Please be realistic, can you pay doctors $5k - $10k monthly in Nigeria? I'm sure if the government offers to pay around that range 80% will still japa as the funding for japa would have been made easier. I'm not in support of the bill, people pay almost nothing to get a medical degree compared to their counterparts in developed countries, what can we possibly and realistically do as a country to curtail the rate of japa in the medical field?

Unlimited22:
So they should stay back because they need a license to operate?


You think everyone who leaves is doing so because they want to? Or you feel say na only the money dey motivate people wey dey comot?

Unlimited22:
Let izzou go and check how much it takes to write PLAB 1 and 2, not to talk of USMLE Steps 1-3

Even me sef, if I wan go place like Canada, e go bloody because our curriculum isn't recognised there. I have to do Express entry first, then pay for a bridging program at the University of Waterloo after I become a permanent resident before I even become eligible to see a patient under supervision.


Money and time wey person for use dey advance life for Nigeria if we even had the basics.

Ibime:
This offer is on the lower end in Western countries. Australia and USA pay the highest. Afrodoc done abandon Hippocratic oath to chase Benjamin since

Ibime:
Bill is dead on arrival. What identifies a Nigerian as a doctor, will his passport say so?

Healthcare is very competitive. Countries are dragging nurses from other countries talkless of doctors. Phillipines done hear wine from UK when it comes to nurses.

The only other country I know with restriction on Doctors leaving is Cuba, and Cuba allows their doctors 5 year exist to other countries to earn big bucks at a time.

Unlimited22:
The UK recently introduced a visa that is set to attract teachers to come.

If they all leave, what happens to the future of our children?

If all our civil engineers leave, will we keep importing people who don't understand the layout of our land to build,repair and maintain our infrastructure?

The world Is online. If all our Network and security engineers live, what happens to the security of our country which is Paramount?

If all our young researchers leave,what happens to our scientific advancement as a country?


This stance can be applied to anything, chief. And not everyone will leave, you and I know that.

This bill is the equivalent of amputating a patient's right arm because you want to prevent the rot on his left leg from spreading.

Ibime:
This is entry level

A houseman can expect to earn £50k to £65k

A general practitioner £90k

A Consultant £100k plus whether a specialist, Radiologist or Pathologist

This is for NHS work. Most Consultants and some GPs have private practice and rake in hundreds of thousands to millions. The ones that don't have private practice lecture on the side

liveLongNprospa:
You just dey swing go the extreme end with this pay talk.

How many doctors do we have in this country that government cannot pay properly since they have discovered just how important they are.
Literally allocate a part of our budget to the medical industry and pay them.. Then you can iron out requirements and whatnot.

You keep screaming how the US and UK pay more.
My guy the US and UK pay more for almost all jobs except 1..guess which..just guess....

OH yes to be a legislator 😂😂😂.

Once again not every doctor who japas actually wants to japa but these guys dey suffer shege.

I talked about hazard allowance before Unlimited22 and he has mentioned it.

Nawa.. I don tire to repeat myself

Unlimited22:
Why should the burden be on the doctors alone? Are they not humans?


Recently I had to irrigate a patient's eye to even see what I was dealing with. Make I raise eyelid to put under saline pump, nurse wey dey duty say saline pump no dey work and gloves no dey.

Had to do that with pure water sachet and my bare hands.

Imagine if I got an infection. My hazard allowance monthly despite all the talk is still 5k.


But look at how much money is being wasted by the country and stolen daily.


You were asking for solutions and they are simple.

Better working conditions, employ more hands, make it easier for foreign trained doctors to join the workforce, and better remuneration.


No be my fault. Me, I'm an only son and I want the best life for my family too. Me sef I like snow.

liveLongNprospa:
Izzou

Unlimited22:
Lol. the experienced doctors will leave and the younger ones will stay and you're assuming it'll be a lifesaver to you and millions.

There are only 12 consultant pediatric nephrologists in Nigeria and one of them, a professor, just left to become an INTERN in the US.

His salary as an intern is somewhere around 40-50k USD annually. His salary as a Professor and a consultant will be less than that if you calculate at 750, and you want people not to leave?


That aside, is the public school education only subsidised for health workers? Abi other professions have nothing to contribute to our country?

Theflint1:
The 133 million persons will stay poor and whatever they think they're escaping today will be waiting for them down the road. By the time people find ways around doing medicine in Nigeria, I wonder who'd be there to treat them in 8 to 12 years time when people stop applying to study medicine here and those that do, do so to offer their services abroad. Imprisoning doctors in Nigeria will drive wages down, whoever is getting a private university medical degree isn't staying back to earn peanuts.

We're only postponing dooms day with this policy.

Unlimited22:
Bros people spend 10 years in medical school through no fault of theirs.

We dey here dey see Nezzjnr and wetin do am for Madonna University. A friend of mine in camp spent 12 years in IMSU.

You go read with rechargable lantern for hostel wey no get light and water. Mosquito and bedbug go deal with you mercilessly

when you're doing anatomy dissection the specimens are so bad that you don't even know what parts you're seeing. For book na red, for body na pitch black.

One day they'll come and announce that your school has lost accreditation or that teaching hospital workers are on indefinite strike and months and years will just be passing in limbo.

You'll come out and work like a slave In the name of House job and during NYSC they'll send you to one village that has thatch houses and can't even provide face masks and gloves in their health centres.

You will pay bribe 500-750k to get residency slot that will pay you 250k wey you go dey pay NARD dues, dey read for part 1, dey take calls. And life still dey go on, them go dey hail you Doc Doc for house. Expecting you to shoulder certain responsibilities and maybe even start your own family.

You go dey run PP after punishing hospital schedule because you have to survive.

Then one idiot with yellow teeth that has never worked a day in his life and has gone from SUG politics to National Assembly will come out from nowhere and come and tell you to give back to the nation.

Other professions are doing BDSM na, their hands are tied and they can't give back.

Abeg abeg

liveLongNprospa:
Bruh what?
You need to stick to a side in this issue.
Are you standing with the 150m Nigerians or the medical doctors?

Theflint1:
The lawmakers are skirting around the systemic problems facing the health sector and the country by extension. The level of japa we have now is as bad because of the APC's mismanagement in the past 8 years, and banning doctors from traveling out will not fix that problem.

This quick-fix policy that's being made a law has long-term implications which I'm sure our legislators haven't bothered to consider. When they're done with doctors I only wonder who else will fall in the chopping block.

Theflint1:
Before the japa wave, Nigerian doctors we paid less than their counterparts in the UK, US and Australia, yet the japa no dey like this. What changed in the last 8 years to have caused the level of japa we now have?

As regards the bolded, nobody is saying the won't treat the disease, nobody is saying they'd treat the disease either. I'd bet things would stay the same or worse.

Theflint1:
In my opinion doctors moving at the rate they're doing is a symptom of these systemic problems facing the health sector.

I can't say how long it'd take to fix these systemic problems, but imprisoning doctors in the country won't fix the systemic problems facing the health sector. Already health professions in Nigeria are not worth the time and effort, you con add five year imprisonment join, people go kuku leave their medicine for them.

This policy is akin to treating the symptoms and not the disease itself.

Theflint1:
Because after doctors who next falls into their chopping block?

Why don't they fix systemic problems causing japa instead of imprisoning doctors in the country for 5 after they've spent 6-9 years studying medicine.

We neva even talk reach the exploitation that'd come when employers know that these doctors are imprisoned in the country professionally for at least 5 years.

nihilistjnr:
It's not right now, and there is currently a crisis in the public health sector.

There's a low key japa movement going on here too, with doctors moving to Yankee to earn more.

raumdeuter:
Infact, I think this is the bill every common man should support unless you have money to fly abroad and treat yourself

liveLongNprospa:
You are stopping them from leaving.. You are not doing anything whatsoever to make employment worth it for them.. At the same time these doctors have consistently voiced their displeasure concerning what they earn.

And they watch politicians japa outside Nigeria to get treatment.

So why you think say doctors nor fit dey house for 3 months.. Offer private services once in awhile and still plan their japa..

Who you think say this thing go affect pass?

raumdeuter:
A doctor trained in US spends almost $200 to $300K on school fees

Nigerian graduates probably spend $1k to get that education because its subsidized

Maybe Govt should tell them Medical fees is say 300K if you cannot afford it, enter and govt will subsidize your fees to normal undergrad fees but after graduation you have to serve govt for 5yrs

If you want to get out of the bond pay the money Govt gave you plus interest