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liveLongNprospa:
Izzou if doctors go on strike today.. That your person wey you wan carry go hospital, how you go do am?

[color=royalblue]So when doctors go on strike, they don't make room for dialogue and plans to work again?

I don't even understand you

We are talking about resigning and leaving a vacuum in that space, and you are talking of a strike.

Is there no difference?[/color]

liveLongNprospa:
Izzou if doctors decide to go on strike today as a result of this bill..

What will anybody do?
Basically FG after making mouth has come to show that doctors are very important with this move so why you feel say these same doctors nor go react to this?

[color=royalblue]If a doctor goes on strike today, he is still open to negotiations. This is quite different from quitting and leaving

I don't know why you are using this example. I have been avoiding it because it doesn't match.

Or do doctors collect allowances from somewhere else when they are on strike?[/color]

liveLongNprospa:
Oga japa is not an easy process and alot of people will not japa if you offer them very good compensation.
At the very least you will even delay some to stay back longer before leaving.
People who are undergrads will also be affected and look forward to earning.

Not everyone that is japaing wants to japa and these are the people who these changes will convince to stay.

[color=royalblue]Maybe our UK brothers can help me, but this is what my Google says.

So how well will you pay a doctor, that he wouldn't consider running away to UK?
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liveLongNprospa:
You are looking at the effect.. You have refused to acknowledge the seriousness of the cause.

Again if these guys go on strike wetin any of us go do ni?

[color=royalblue]I am a common man, so i need to look at the effect.

I may need to take my mum to the hospital someday.

I get there, and i join the queue for 6 hours

Who is on the losing side? Me or the NASS member that proposed the bill?[/color]

liveLongNprospa:
If you pay these people very well, some of them will not consider leaving ASAP as they are graduating from college.

The process for doctors to japa is not easy and some people would take their chances of being in naija and flexing this country while doing their jobs.

Surely this cannot be too hard na.
Infact some will not bother to leave at all.

Okay what if UK and US relax restrictions for them even further to counter this move by the FG.

Wetin you go come talk then?

[color=royalblue]How well do you think you can pay them, that will remove their eyes from UK and USA? Be sincere to yourself

Bank EDs that earn well dey japa. People who work in Oil firms and earn good money, dey japa. PWc and KPMG guys that i admire in my Uber days, don full Canada.

So please, how well would you pay a doctor, that will make him denounce going to US and UK?

Let's be very realistic.

Can Tinubu pay £10/hour for a doctor?[/color]

Itsrm:
The argument can be made for those who attend private universities but to the best of my knowledge they still do their housemanship in government owned hospitals

One way or another, they are still drawing from tax payers money.

On the contrary, people like me are needed in HOR to make difficult but unavoidable decisions like this.

[color=royalblue]I am even surprised that Nigerians living in Nigeria see it as a wicked policy

Until you go to a hospital (Public or private), and they tell you there is no doctor on duty, or you have to wait 5 hours to see one, na that time the person go understand the problem wey dey on board.

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larride:
Why waste 10m to study medicine here when you can japa and go study medicine outside the country? 😂

We are not saying the same thing. Even as cheap as university fees are currently, there are still thousands if not hundred of thousands that can afford it. Scholarship and educational loan will take care of it. That’s why i also included that their remunerations and welfare packages should be prioritized also.

[color=royalblue]As long as they can earn 1 extra dollar above what we pay here, they will Japa

Or is it today you know that their packages are shitt?

Like Itsrm said, commit to 5 years sounds favourable, and that is a fact.

The moment you remove that subsidy, nobody will remain here.[/color]

larride:
There are lots of private universities in Nigeria and a lot of people are attending those Universities.

I’m definitely sure that if subsidy is removed on public tertiary education, the amount still can’t compete with the private university. Uniosun that I attended is fairly run independent of Odin State Govt and they charge 95k per session while I was there (I don’t know if they have increased it).

Those that can’t afford the fees can apply for scholarships and education loans with those conditions applied.

I do agree that medical personnel wages, allowances and welfare should be prioritized as they are critical essential workers.

[color=royalblue]We are saying the same thing

Anybody that can spend, say 10 million to study Medicine in Covenant, can comfortably go abroad.

If government schools begin to charge this equivalent, then 90% of the students will be at Walter Carrington immediately after their housemanship abi na homemanship

If you say Scholarship, you have narrowed the number, and we will have fewer doctors willing to commit for that 5 years[/color]

liveLongNprospa:
Lmao they are holding people against their will.
They are not talking about proper compensation..
Better provision of working tools..

None of that.

So what happens if doctors down tools as a form of protest.

Who go lose?

[color=royalblue]Okay, let them go

So those of us remaining can keep dying because there is no doctor.

This is better, right?[/color]

liveLongNprospa:
What has to be done nau..
I have told you the reality of things from a medical personnel's perspective.

I am not a rich man but these guys cannot be forced to stay.. If they down tools today in protest nko.
Wetin you go them?

[color=royalblue]That is why i said any government needs to be disturbed.

And that is what they are doing[/color]

larride:
If their arguments on based on cheap university fees, doesn’t it make sense to remove the subsidy on the fees, let university charge the true fees they should charge and let the schools use the funds to run the schools properly.

The govt can then give scholarships and educational loans with conditions that you serve for a certain year before you can japa.

That way you solve 2 problems, ASUU and this doctors brain drain wahala

[color=royalblue]You ended up with their bill.

If you remove the subsidy, you'll have lesser people applying for Medical courses

And anybody that can pay the fees through medical school, can definitely jump on the next Delta flight to Atlanta.

So in the end, almost zero percent stays back.

The issue for a prospective japa doctor is that he is underpaid

The issue for the government is that they are not getting some loyalty for their subsidy.[/color]

liveLongNprospa:
Lmaooo... You are not against anyone's progress but at the same time you are saying you understand..

So nor be fixing the country go solve am.
What has the government done for the medical profession to show how important they are?
What are the special incentives they've provided for them?

Nor be government officials dey brag since about how we churn out graduates each year or how they should go and face farming..

So again.. What should the medical practitioner do?

[color=royalblue]Your issue with the policy is the messenger, not the message..And i totally understand that.

Maybe you are Omo Baba Olowo, but many people that have japa have their families right here.

If their mama get blood pressure, e go still go the same Nigeria hospital wey no get doctor, abi?

My point is simple. Something needs to be done, whether we like it or not.
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larride:
Those reps Dey craze on a steady sha.

The govt should just make University autonomous and make medical school autonomous. Let them charge the normal standard fees they should charge and let those schools use the money to develop their institutions.

All these talks of cheap university no cut ham.

[color=royalblue]Your opinion makes it worse, in my opinion

It means only those that can afford it, would attend medical school, and if i can afford it, I can definitely japa.

The problem with japa virus is that they are underpaid and not taken care of.

If the government makes it autonomous, can the same government pay them what they will earn equivalently in UK?[/color]

liveLongNprospa:
Fix the country and people will stay.
It's not surprising that UK saw more than 200% increase in Nigerians after EndSars happened.

You cannot stop people from leaving.
Oya the politicians nko.. Why them nor stop themselves from going outside for treatment

[color=royalblue]Fix the country in how many days? 60, 90 or 120?

As much as i understand why everybody needs to leave, i have also questioned why this has not bothered the government in a long while.

We just finish arguing about poverty. If all the doctors leave, who will attend to medical cases here?

Or has everyone that japaed ensured they carry all their relatives with them?

Something needs to be done.

I am not against anyone's progress oh, but in all sincerity, something has to be done[/color]

liveLongNprospa:
Omo.. Proper madness.
See these idiots want to tie people to Nigeria 😂😂

[color=royalblue]Jokes apart.

Something needs to be done about the brain drain happening.

If i japa, my mama still dey here.

If she sick, she still needs to go to a hospital here.

If there is no doctor, what is her fate?[/color]

Itsrm:
You know how these things dey be na. Those guys likely supported another candidate during the gubernatorial primaries. Some powers that be rigged their candidate out and produced the APC candidate. They inturn refuse to support the APC flag bearer, the flag bearer losses the election and comes back to plot the removal of those who worked against him.

Not saying that's exactly what happened here but it's what I've seen happen in several other states.

They will sort out their issues and the suspension will be cancelled.

[color=royalblue]Yeah

Or maybe na their own indirect way to go back to PDP.

Instead of decamping, just expel us, and we will have a reason to decamp back[/color]

liveLongNprospa:
The president elect travels outside the country for medical purposes.
The current president travels outside the country consistently for medical purposes.

We have a senator who is in UK jail for medical crimes.

But see wetin these idiots dey plan😂😂

[color=royalblue]Unlimited22 right now[/color]

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Itsrm:
They likely supported the PDP guy for governorship

[color=royalblue]And they expelled them?

These are like the heavy weight politicians, money can buy in Enugu

But you cant really fault them. More than 70% of the politicians in Enugu are offsprings of Chiboy.

If there is one good thing he did, it was that he gave many people a political future.

E be like say dem wan finish the party kpata kpata for the state, or Chiboy wan decamp, so he needs no existing landlord or competitor[/color]

[color=royalblue]Does Anti-party activity mean something else?

If there is one Easterner that openly supported BAT, Osita Ikechukwu was that guy

How come he is being expelled for anti party behaviour?[/color]

https://www.nairaland.com/7643391/anti-party-enugu-apc-suspends-nnamani

[color=royalblue]Abeg who can direct me to informative threads on NL?

I uses to read threads from Ymodulus then..

Then i started to read thread from Cosplay in the Autos section. My most interesting so far.

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BlaqFaze:
The question now is...

Since Obi can't take one state from poverty, what makes think he can take 19 states from poverty?

[color=royalblue]A very logical argument, right there.

So all these talks about BAT not saying it, and Obi not in their good books is unintelligent for this cause

The North is the poorest amongst all. It is what it is.

I don't see the need for comparisons because of that[/color]

sod09:
Leemao
Which kind wahala be this, he has beg you bros

[color=royalblue]I have never seen anyone get so pained for hearing the truth.

Sadly, we are in the Ramadan and Easter season...Holiness is a must![/color]

BlaqFaze:
The person that posted that tweet here, also said that Northerners are now hating on Obi for saying the truth.

Well it's the truth but you can see the Northerners pain in this thread because singling them out looks like insult because every region in Nigeria is suffering from poverty.

Tinubu is also from south o...he didn't say North is poor... I'll take you from poverty.

North can make anyone president because they have the numbers... Obi is already on their bad side not me not anyone

[color=royalblue]Since 99, they have been making anyone the president, yet they are still the poorest.

So what exactly is your point, my elder brother?

That we Obi should be in their good books, become president, and they should still remain poor?[/color]

OasisX:


I understand your points bruh, valid but doesn't mean North ain't poor either. Nigeria as while is poor - simple.

[color=royalblue]Why are you like this, ehn?[/color]

[color=royalblue]Northern Nigeria where you would see kids roaming about in groups with plates, scrambling for left overs?

Imagine the kind of inhumane suffering that our leaders have subjected them to

Then some of you come here to defend it?[/color]

OasisX:


Monerozi5590...... stop crying bro. Milk is spilled already, get mop and clean it up.

[color=royalblue]The perfect meme for it

You have done well![/color]

OasisX:


Wait bro.... point me to where I condemned what Obi said as a Lie please.

[color=royalblue]Then help us tell the crying Northerner that it is true

Maybe it won't sound as an insult to him, if it came from you[/color]

OasisX:


.....bro! Northern Nigeria is poor. I schooled in the North, so I understand little about the region(s).

My point is simple, we shouldn't try to mask reality simply to sound objective. Folks here would argue same if table turns around.

Those saying if Tinubu said something far close to that, they'll accept it and move on are simply lying.... that's my point.

[color=royalblue]So what is wrong in what Obi said?

If the argument was that Obi cannot pull any LGA out of poverty, it is very logical.

Is it news that the North is poor?

Suddenly, Obi don shit for shrine because e talk wetin Shettima and Sanusi have said in the past.
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[color=royalblue]Sanusi said 87% of the Northern population are poor.

But you need me to visit all the 19 states to see the hidden treasures.

You need me to spend 5 years to know that it is rich

You need me to visit 18 of the 19 states to know that it is like the South.

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OasisX:


Wahala...... see someone who wants to pull 19 States out of Poverty? Somebody who couldn't pull just a state out of poverty rather immersed the state more in it..... LMFAO

[color=royalblue]Thank God for this.

I like your argument. It shows that Obi cannot do what he says; Very logical, in my opinion.

I also like the fact that you admitted that the Northern Nigeria is poor.

Na man you be![/color]