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[color=royalblue]Southern candidates need to caution Wike, to be honest
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Android17:
I agree with your underlying point my guy. I am just showing you how complicated it is in the contraption called Nigeria.

[color=royalblue]And what is even vexing me os how the supposed potentials are just avoiding that talk

Its as if everybody is pretending like its not a big deal[/color]

BlueRayDick:
Please mention the businesses state governments run that are actually profitable .

[color=royalblue]State governments run secondary and even Universities

They run Waste Management boards

They run Radio and TV stations

They run Vehicle licencing

They run their own hospitals too.
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Android17:
I accepted that Buhari himself failed but you are asking why the tree was not planted in his administration and I am showing you why the tree was better planted "20 years ago".

Nigerians protested subsidy removal under Jonathan. My guess is it would have been better accepted under an OBj administration. If you want people to give a child injection knowing it will hurt them, you have to be a nurse they trust.

[color=royalblue]I am not talking about the past. I wasn't either. Na una carry GEJ and Buhari come here.

My point initially is that it needs to go. We can't pretend like we can pay it anymore.

That's my own reality. [/color]

raumdeuter:
Govt run refineries will never work, Infact govt run brothels will never work. Govt can sell air or water and still declare losses. Govt should never be into running businesses jst be regulators and tax collector

If you have ever tried to do anything with a govt parastatal vs a Private one you will know that govt should sell those refineries and stop wasting scarce money on any silly revamp whch is just a means of stealing everything

[color=royalblue]We have seen state government run businesses and it works.

Government can actually do it, if they want[/color]

Android17:
I may quote you but I am indirectly and pre-emptively replying some other posts.

GEJ wanted to remove it but leave Nigerians in the hands of the same cartel he did not want to face. Similar to using Hyenas to protect the goats and then wonder why they keep reducing in number.
That showed he was not serious and nobody trusted him.

A palliative could have been cutting down the list of the "importers", sending the fakes to jail etc. Let Nigerians see you are serious. GEJ avoided it completely but would rather inflict the pains on Nigerians. Buhari got some of them deregistered and some even went to jail, then corruption fought back.

Meanwhile, there has always been a cartel. OBJ sold refineries as he was leaving in 2007 and Yar Adua reversed the sale as part of his first act as president. A cartel will make you do that.

[color=royalblue]Like i said, your analogy is exonerating him the more.

GEJ wanted to stop it
Buhari protested.
Buhari became president and continued paying it.

So if you are telling there's a cartel, it should be among the person that stopped his bread from being taken away.

Buhari deregistered and re-registered any marketer doesn't change the fact that Nigeria is paying trillions for subsidy, and we are deeply in debt because of it.

Just leave GEJ and Buhari out of this discussion. I was not even referring to them in the first place.
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Theflint1:
These problems you've listed, can't we find a way to first tackle them? Us having neighbors that sell higher shouldn't be an excuse for the mismanagement.

[color=royalblue]It has been tackled.[/color]

Theflint1:
Subsidy has to be phased out gradually, a country that doesn't have a reliable public transportation system and where the average household spends on average 20 litres on power cannot afford to pay #800/litre.

We're bleeding money from over bloated contracts, excessive government spending and outright theft. Not a fan of policies that place the burden of responsibility on the masses first.

[color=royalblue]How do you phase it out gradually?
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[color=royalblue]GEJ wanted to remove it. The current president refused.

Now you are explaining that a cartel is fighting Buhari. Why didn't you figure out that GEJ could be fighting the same cartel?

You brand GEJ as the careless one, then Buhari as the victim

Anyways, that's derailing

We can't afford to pay subsidy. We are going into deeper debts because of it, and sadly, no candidate is saying anything about the reality.
They all condemn it and move on.

And i can't remember saying Obi was going to change anything. What's this discussion in relation to Obi? [/color]

Android17:
While you are right that every government dealt with roundtripping and all the associated issues with subsidy, it was worsened by the Jonathan administration. When it became unsustainable, rather than put some sterner measures to check it, Jonathan opted to have the subsidy completely removed. Nobody was going to trust him especially when he made no serious actions towards putting palliatives in place to cushion the effect of the removal first and foremost.

You may not like to hear it but Buhari originally took a hard stance on subsidy but the marketers who claimed they were owed trillions from the Jonathan regime threatened that until some reimbursements were made, they will refuse to import and distribute refined Petroleum products. Buhari had to play ball by remitting some of the monies to them. That is why most of us always dial back to GEJ's regime concerning this subsidy brouhaha.

[color=royalblue]So for 8 years, the government could not think of one solution to end this plague

Why couldn't Buhari revamp Kaduna, Warri and PH in his first 4 years? At least, we would have to deal with backlogs from marketers from 2019, while subsidy ends for good.

These guys are the beneficiaries. I blame GEJ for the subsidy scam, but i dont blame him for Buhari's decision to keep paying it even after 2019[/color]

afrodoc2:
Any government that removes subsidy without putting in place serious measures to buffer the effects will fall, either legally or illegally.

On the other hand, it is almost impossible to put those measures in place with the way the twin demons of subsidy and corruption are draining the government’s finances.

[color=royalblue]The finances are in the negative, doc.

I really don't know how anybody hopes to turn this country around.
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GloriousGbola:
Not really. Subsidy fraud really became a thing under gej. It was so bad that the major marketers wrote an official letter complaining about briefcase companies, shell companies created because there was a free for all come and eat going on.

If I am not mistaken, to this day the fg still owes major marketers billions in subsidy arrears.

The people perpetuating these scams were

[color=royalblue]GEJ did want to remove it. Remember?

It was people in this government that protested. Today, they are there, and they can't remove it.

People in power are the importers. The capital to import 1 million liters of PMS no be beans.

Then imagine government paying 250, while the people pay 200. Which business get this kind assurance?[/color]

GloriousGbola:
Ph refinery is definitely being revamped. I however do not know the timeline.

[color=royalblue]I hope it is completed in my lifetime[/color]

nihilistjnr:
Okowa made a very good point that the oil sector should be privately led. I don't believe Government should be running refinery instead of just taxing the guy who does.

The only issue I have is that Dangote seems to be aiming to build a monopoly with PDP's help.

[color=royalblue]But these industries were run by the government then. How come we can't run anything now?

The people would enjoy more benefits when the government runs it[/color]

raumdeuter:
Why do you think successive govt have been avoiding the subsidy issue. OBJ tried it and had to drop the idea, Jonathan did, Buhari didnt even bother

[color=royalblue]I don't think its because of the masses they avoided it.

Its because successive and even the current administration are benefiting from it. We all saw the outcome when it was discovered that many importers were perpetrating serious scam with subsidy.

Some we bring less volume and declare another figure. Some were even bringing empty vessels and collecting free money

No government would allow any plan if it is affecting them.

Subsidy is existing because people in government are the importers and are cashing out[/color]

raumdeuter:
I agree that its the right thing to do but are you sure we can handle the right thing? Buhari already put the date of subsidy removal at June 2023 immediately after he leaves office. Every govt will simply kick the can down the road

Its like you saw your uncle cheating on his wife, the right thing is to report to his wife, but you go think about the effect on his family and just keep quiet

Can we really expose Nigerians to international prices with our low purchasing power? Minimum wage in Nigeria is low compared to other countries. Minimum wage in Nigeria is it N30k per month that is about $40 or 10 liters of unsubsidized fuel

What percentage of an Americans income is the fuel price of $1 per liter and what percentage will it be of a Nigerian when the minimum wage is about how much in Naira converted to Dollars?

Its also a commodity that is essential, its not like a car or phone or luxury item. it affects everyone

In America with $5 per gallon people were already complaining with this Biden sticker all over pumps

[color=royalblue]The point is that we can't afford it anymore. We are going into debt to pay subsidy.

We have three refineries in Nigeria. Any serious government should stop subsidy and revamp them in a year. I expected that from Buhari

Sadly, nobody trusts the government.

Subsidy will eventually go, irrespective of whatever reality it shows.[/color]

raumdeuter:
This is the dilemma th ideal thing is to be without Subsidy but there will be riots on the street if we have to buy petroleum product at the price everyone buys around the world

Currently in the US its about $4 a Gallon. So like around $1 a liter. Baba no just try this in Naija

[color=royalblue]The Government is currently borrowing to pay Subsidy. It is very glaring that it cannot be sustained.

The problem is transparency. Nobody trusts the government anymore. Buhari would have been the best person to change the perception of the government, but sadly, we have seen domestic and wild animals steal money in his tenure.

That's also the reason i believe nothing win change in 2023 if anybody wins. No one is sincere enough to explain the deep rot of paying subsidy. Na so so story dem dey talk.

Egbon, e go happen. Na the time we never know yet[/color]

raumdeuter:
That is the dilemma of subsidy. As long as our fuel is cheaper than neighbors People will always smuggle them outside

Whether its marketer, govt officials or indvidual

profit 1M here, Profit of 10m just 2kilometers away. Thats why custom agents are the richest people in Armed forces

[color=royalblue]Subsidy needs to go. I am surprised Buhari paid it after shouting in 2014

Buhari's era was a good point to remove it completely and show a lot of transparency in governance.

The problem is not even removing the subsidy. Its that nobody trusts the government enough anymore.

That thing needs to go, if we want to be sincere with ourselves[/color]

raumdeuter:
Is he a custom officer?

[color=royalblue]It seems so

There's a custom truck in the video.

Government go pay subsidy, person go carry am go Cameroun go sell[/color]

obainojazz:
As Buhari won second term, people way I know from Awka to Ibadan, Lagos to Sango Ota japaaa.... Even me resign and doubled my japa hustle but we should pretend it is normal

Nigeria is worse than it has ever been and if you no experience APC, don't wish it on people

[color=royalblue]It is only online that Nigeria is better.

If you want to have hope in Nigeria, and Buhari is the best we have had since 1999, just come online.[/color]

obainojazz:
Oasis that wants people to celebrate stays abroad and not affected

[color=royalblue]Anybody wey dey campaign for any candidate and e dey abroad, I no dey take the person serious.

Everything wey dem dey take campaign or argue na "head knowledge"; Little or no experience of what the people are enjoying or suffering.

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Itsrm:
Dollar now N705. If it can go below N700, those who have stockpiled it will start selling further driving the price down.

[color=royalblue]Arbitrage gone wrong[/color]

liveLongNprospa:
Is this the structure

[color=royalblue]I thought Obaseki was Obidient[/color]

BlaqFaze:
Then again what's the difference between "African American and American citizens of African origin"

[color=royalblue]He was confusing me initially.

But you? You've put me in the wilderness

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Urheadmaster:
Those people can Bleep for a living

[color=royalblue]Use your head

The flood is not up to 9 months. [/color]

nihilistjnr:
Them go still do documentary on this Havertz scam.

I'm surprised Hushpuppi hand no dey this transfer

[color=royalblue]Tinubu and Obi should keep their diferences, and go and beg Wike and his gang to shut up

Or else, dem go use their hand pack all the Northern votes give Atiku[/color]

MorataFC:

Itsrm:
It didn't even make the news. I hear it has come down to 750 to a dollar. If it had gone up to a thousand to a dollar, the news would have been everywhere.

MorataFC:
whatever angle you wish to take it to, it's a selfish prayer.

[color=royalblue]Its not, but its your opinion anyway

The man was already ruled out before now.
Its not like he got injured last night.

James can still participate in 3 world cups, unlike Mane or Varane that this may be their last.

Let the man recover fully. I don't know what is selfish in that[/color]

adebayo201:
e go hit everybody. The fighters, mediators, onlookers and what have you.

[color=royalblue]Imagine paying for a crime you did not commit

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MorataFC:
This is a selfish prayer, can you wish that kind of situation to yourself?

[color=royalblue]Yes. Any other question?

Someone is just recovering, and you want him to go and strain him self in a do or die competition.

When dem scatter him leg kpata kpata, wetin you go talk?[/color]