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bingbagbo:
...Only fools say God does not exist. The existence of God is as clear as crystal. I have seen Him; known Him and hear Him.


Glory onto The Lord God Jesus Christ

You should be dead. Your own babble said u cant see god and live

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't matter, bring out a simple direct observational proof 👀!!!

You have plethora of scientific sources all alluding that there's no direct observational proof 👀 for macro evolution!

You can only find 'evidence' that substantiates the theory of evolution and thereby macro evolution 🤔!!!

Am not saying there is no substantial evidence.
All I want is direct observational proof, simple.
How hard can this be for a genius like you? 🤔

So what is your point? That macro evolution is fake?

Gabrielshow24:
It's called Institute not institue!!!
Also, There are other blog posts and Scientific articles that wrote about " the perceived" macro evolution!!!

I just brought that amongst others that you indeed don't read your own evidence!!!
You always rush in.
Like the parable depicting "fools that rush in where angels fear to tread"!!!

Please show the research of real scientists. Thank you

Gabrielshow24:
All life originated from a singular source that branched out!!!
Notwithstanding my allusion is for direct observational evidence for macroevolution!!!

If you have kindly do so😂😂😂

I thought u believe we descended from Adam and Eve? Please be careful and don't confuse the thunder coming for u

LordReed:
Bwahahahahahahahaha! He posts a screenshot from Institue of Creation Research. slowpoke what else would a disingenuous blog post before.

Hang on! There is a research on creation? Why don't they just read the damn Bible?

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂I was wondering when you will show up 😂😂😂.

Just using your own rhetoric against your foot soldiers 🤤!

You claim you're a scientist and you believe the whole world descended from a single man and woman? Whoa!
Science don suffer from many people hand oh

Gabrielshow24:
Am aware of the common ancestry, tell that to your idiotic friends.
What I want is a direct observational proof which none of you has provided so far👀

Can you explain what you mean by 'direct observational proof'? Be explicit

Gabrielshow24:
No direct observation whatsoever 🤨.
At best, it's micro evolution confused as macro evolution because of lack of knowledge!!!

If indeed that article of yours was found true then I would have conceded but since it's fake🤨you still have your work cut out👀!!!

So you believe cos its in bacteria, it is not macro evolution?
Did you say you are a scientist, or did I read wrong?

Gabrielshow24:
I am a Scientist, from the very beginning I have been aware of the facts.
Even the question I asked suggested that I intend for direct observational proof👀!!!

Mind you, I clearly subscribed to micro evolution but macro evolution, although has substantiated proof, has no direct observational proof 👀!!!

Something I was very sure you and your cohorts will fall into!!! 🙃
In your bid to sound wise, you ended up being foolish🤕

Lemme get you straight. You believe micro but don't believe macro evolution?

Gabrielshow24:
The main topic is that macro evolution hasn't been proven by direct observation!!!
The issue your friend raised is Timescale—Millions of years.

That's why I used the same "millions of years" yardstick that science believes is required to form fossilization but instead the contrary is present today!!!

🤔 Don't you think at all?
Even if I were to give you the benefit of a doubt that I didn't structure the message well you should have known better that my progressive message was on "macro evolution"!!!

I'm not a mind reader. I only read and respond to what you post. So suck it up and take your L in peace

Gabrielshow24:
Oya tell the world, whether my message was about fossilization 🤔?
Am waiting🥲.

This is your message Mr. Lie lie


Millions of years seem like a befitting explanation 🤔
The same way fossilization occurs in "millions of years"🤔
It has not been empirically proven so, it's just the only plausible explanation.



From the above, what is the main theme or topic of that post?
U r both ignorant and dishonest. The worst type

Gabrielshow24:
Explain it to me 🥲.
Kindly, Give your scientific source for the direct observance of macro evolution 🤔.
I don't what all those, patterns🤔
I want a detailed explanation within the last 2000 years

The police don't witness murders directly. Very rarely do we have video recordings from multiple angles of murders. Most of the time, homicide detectives have to piece together what happened from lots of different pieces of evidence. Detectives start by looking at the existing evidence and guessing what likely took place. They try to collect additional evidence to see if it agrees with the initial guess. If not, they alter their "guess" until they have enough evidence to be confident that the "guess" is reasonably consistent with what actually happened.
Scientists are detectives of nature.
For those studying evolution and related fields, it's very similar. Speciation normally happens on scales measured in thousands of years at least. Just as detectives can't physically travel back in time to witness a murder directly, scientists can't live long enough to gather enough data points to show speciation happening directly.
One example of macro is the evolution of insecticide resistance in insects or antibiotic resistance in bacteria.
Also read this and cure this ignorance that religion has dealt you.
https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/macroevolution-examples-from-the-primate-world-96679683/

Gabrielshow24:
Was my message about fossilization? 🤨
Kindly, give a secondary school child, let him/her read and tell you what the intended meaning should be!!!

😂😂😂

U want deny again?

Gabrielshow24:
Thanks for refreshing my memory 🤔.
At least you got something right!

My general message was about macro 🙃!
I must have mentioned it as a rhetorical question 🙃

So u can't deny again. Good

Gabrielshow24:
Elegantly poised in writing rubbish.
Every Scientist knows that macro evolution has not been observed as at yet!!!

Even the bacteria you allude to is micro at best🤨.
Common sense is not common!!!

Do you even know definition of macro evolution?
Oh my fvvcking god. Religion has killed all your brain!

Gabrielshow24:
I didn't mention ape.
Kindly show me where I did?🤨

You wrote this




At best, evolution happens on a micro scale 😂😂😂
Not sufficient to produce what they suggest.
At least in our 2000years of "modern existence"
why haven't we seen an ape evolve to man? 🤔
At the end of the day, it's just human's way of reconciling what they have on ground 🙃!!!At best, evolution happens on a micro scale 😂😂😂
Not sufficient to produce what they suggest.
At least in our 2000years of "modern existence"
why haven't we seen an ape evolve to man? 🤔
At the end of the day, it's just human's way of reconciling what they have on ground 🙃!!!





The bolded is what up said. Oya deny again

Gabrielshow24:
Fossilization can take roughly an hour to millions of years.

So what's your point? 🤨

Also from my statement all you could pick was that fossilization can't be proven? 🤔

Read it again to know the intended message I aimed to pass across!

Please educate me. I cant glean any other meaning

Gabrielshow24:
I didn't mention great ape or did I?
I only mentioned macro evolution 🤔 which your colleague said he doesn't have empirical proof to because it takes "millions of years" 😂😂😂

You said u haven't seen ape evolve to humans. And I corrected u that the great ape (where we came from) is currently extinct

Gabrielshow24:
🤦🏾‍♂️
Millions of years seem like a befitting explanation 🤔
The same way fossilization occurs in "millions of years"🤔

It has not been empirically proven so, it's just the only plausible explanation.

So fossilization cannot be proven?

Gabrielshow24:
Thanks God, for calling me Mr. Thinker😁.
I appreciate your sarcasm!!!
Why not do so well to disprove me? 🤔
Or show us macro evolutions happening now?

Examples of Macroevolutionary Events:
The evolution of tetrapods (four-limbed animals) from fish
The diversification of mammals after the extinction of dinosaurs
The evolution of flowering plants
The evolution of bat wings and loss of limbs in snakes and lizards

Scientists have even observed macroevolution on relative short term basis when they subjected non-citrate bacteria and later watched them evolve into citrate bacteria.
All these are stuff one can read online but due to religion blocking some brains, you see Christians(even literate ones) talking as if they have never seen a classroom.
Amazing what religion can do

Gabrielshow24:
Are they not part of his fold?
Or are their slaves masters part of his fold? 🤨

If it at best, he can only implore them 🤔.
Also, it's something we don't know whether he did or "others" might have done so on their behalf🤔.

No letter to suggest such.
So no one can tell, we can only speculate🤨

So he has the powers to instruct slaves but not the masters. So what does that tell you?

Gabrielshow24:
Don't be gullible.
Why did you turn the blind eye to Paul's praise of Priscilla 🤨

Is there any scripture you can find that Paul told Priscilla not to preach? 🤨

But yet she is mentioned in the new testament six times!

Playing a great role in the teaching of Apollos🤨 the great christian teacher.

Or have you forgotten quickly the verse:
Paul plants, Apollo waters, God giveth the increase!!! 1cor3:16?

Finally is Priscilla not a woman? 🤨

Im waiting for the verse, bro. When u r done dancing around lemme know

Gabrielshow24:
The character of God made me assume so.
Most nations in the bible before their destructions got a message from God — as it relates with the flow of the scripture!

What you wrote up there is a straw man!
We talked about those that raped not those that stole wives🤔!!!

Also, Wife kidnapping was an event allowed to the children of Benjamin after their numbers were depleted🤔.

It was a physical contingency plan to ensure their lineage persists.

God also expressly condemns abducting or kidnapping🤨.

Like I said, all this as revealed by Jesus were humanly influenced dispositions of the law!!!

If the children of Benjamin in the first place were in God they won't have gone to war and wife kidnapping won't have occured!

Character of god? Wtf is that?
No wonder there are a thousand denoms. So many folks changing the bible and talking rubbish.
So u allow abduction of women? Yes or no

Gabrielshow24:
He doesn't have the power🤔.

The people he could relate with were the christian slaves themselves telling them to hold their peace!!!

Hang on! He doesn't have the power to tell slavemasters what to do, but he has powers to tell their slaves what to do?
Heheheheheheh lol 😆

Gabrielshow24:
All Christians were giving the mandate to teach and preach the gospel 🤨.

That's very much self explanatory!
What Paul had issues with was those that didn't have the qualifications for a role to assume such!!!

He gave Timothy some guidelines for "deacons(church elders included)" in Titus and Timothy🤔.

It's just a guideline!!!
That's why it was preemptive to undergo some kind of training before assuming some Christian related roles!

Oga show me in the Bible. Not tell me what you think.
Paul gave instruction to women. Keep quiet and dont say anything. And here u r telling me he meant they should learn before teaching. If I tell you to keep quiet, did I mean u can talk after learning?
This is why christianity has thousands of denoms. Many folks saying what they think happened in the Bible

Gabrielshow24:
🤔I have given you the background of why he favored such!!!
I told you from the Jewish background, women were forbidden to lots of things, some of which were learning, speaking in public places etc🤨

Do you see where I am coming from with this?
The same Paul didn't have an issue with Priscilla, he even praised her.
Why 🤨?

The Jewish background only allowed few women if at best they were permitted to learn🤨.

The same mindset he brought to Christianity!!!
He wanted things to be done in an orderly fashion!
"Man's preeminence was something Jews don't take lightly"
Even with this he learnt to recognize that God uses whom he wills!!!

Priscilla along with her husband taught Apollos, the great christian teacher!

U keep on dancing around the topic. Why didn't Paul say women can preach after learning?
So Priscilla taught Paul and he turned around to talk trash about women?

Gabrielshow24:
Christ came to show us, the spirit of forgiveness 🤔 and love!!!

All what the old testament attests to is "Justice"!!!

Justice was a central theme!!!
While you are right it's an explicit command!!!
We are told by Jesus that when it comes to the things of God these laws are upended.

Something the pharisees had issue comprehending!!!

Without a valid God-backed reason then it's binding!!!
The same goes for the law of the shewbread 🤔!!!

So Jesus and Yahweh are at loggerheads about the law? So Jesus was watching all these carnage exhibited by his pops but he kept quiet. Why couldn't he have told his old man to chill with the bloodthirsty laws?

Gabrielshow24:
I'm not downplaying rape!!!
I am using the logic of the law to exemplify its intricacies.

To answer your question on Yahweh.
God before he does something tends to inform men🤔.

You are assuming from absence of evidence that he didn't send some kind of sign as to why what they did was bad!
It could even be through their dreams or some under mediums we don't know about.

Most of these nations existed for hundreds, possibly thousand of years it will be rather ignorant for you to say that God didn't give some kind of warning.
We don't know because know one wrote of it!
All what we do know is that when Israel was formed "it was to be a tool for judgement" upon those nations!!!!

That's the biblical perspective

2) touching rape,
The bible gave an exit clause for the man that committed such sin🤔.
He atones for his sins, he must marry her and he will never divorce her!!!
All these things subject to if the Father approves of the marriage 🤔.

It's Yahweh's law, while the law was heavily influenced by human will.
I don't mind mine relation being under Yahweh's law ,after all he sent his son to show us some "human exerted" introductions to the law!!!

All things being equal under Yahweh's law, the man won't have raped the woman!!!

So u dont see anything wrong with abducting a woman and raping her? Ok no problem
Please at nowhere did man influence those laws, they were all from Yahweh.
So if the bible didn’t say that god sent messages to those nations, how did u know? U assumed, right? Shebi u dey see say ur hellfire don dey sure.

Gabrielshow24:
The analogy is flawed.
Christ condemns husband being harsh on their wives thus "beating" is out of the question!!!

We are not Muslims that permit beating on one's wife.
Now to answer your rhetorics.
Paul's idea to the christians under the yoke of slavery is that the present system is not under their control, at best the world hates them.
Hence by following the teaching of Jesus they could better show the loving nature of God which suggested that they shouldn't be concerned with the earthly system of things.

That's why the early christians were not materialistic in nature!!!
They didn't see any value to it.
The only value was to service the needs of others!!!

Ad touching the wives!
He wanted things to follow the order of preeminence!!!
He alluded to the instances of the Jews relations with women education coupled with the "lordship of man" to sell his point!!!

So Paul cannot tell slavemasters who are christians to release their slaves, or at least to pay them or dont beat them? But he can tell the slaves to be good slaves?
Awesome

Gabrielshow24:
The Jews didn't have a problem with men getting an education.
In some cases, an high percentage of men had one level of education or the other compared to women which were not allowed at all!!!

It's heavily implied based on the traditions of his recipients!!!

The bible admonishes that both men and women learn the word of God, even comparing it "milk"
Hence when it comes to the knowledge of God it's open for all!!!

It was his way of addressing the problem and he used the preeminence of Man over the woman to sell his point🤔

Oh my jingles. Where did he state that women can teach after learning. Show me

Gabrielshow24:
And the same new testament mentions of Apollos being taught by Priscilla!!!

Context, is important.
You just used the verse without providing the necessary context!
The Jews in those days had issues with women getting an education an hurdle only few women could overcome.

Hence as a prerogative, Paul allude that thosw who were to preach should be learned!

Thus not every tom, dick and Harry could stand on the pulpit to preach if the person doesn't have the knowledge to boot!

As a form of subtle advise, he told them to "learn in silence".
After learning won't they go out to preach?🤨
Didn't Christ not charge all christians to make disciples of all nations? 🤔

It was in his own wisdom he made such a statement!
Get the context right!!!

He said women should not preach.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
New International Version
34 Women[a] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.[b]

1 Timothy 2:11-12
King James Version
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.


Never in the above verses did he say they can preach after learning. Never.
Even if he said they can learn and preach later, why single out women alone?

Gabrielshow24:
I say the objective truth🤤
That's how I was raised.
Be it spiritual or physical, I will say the truth.
So far, let me know if I have lied!
You can also see, I write my thought flow along🤔.
And even if I made an error, I will tell you it's an error perhaps a typo or a case of mistaken identity.

I consider the implications of my statements before positing them🤔.

With what I am seeing from you today, that's a lie. You twist bible verses outta context, saying the direct opposite. Remember its a crime o. Jesus said if u add to these scriptures na hellfire straight. No talk say I no tell you