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Speaklove:
No!
But the opposite .

Then your words are contradictory. Reread what you posted

Speaklove:
You shrugged your shoulder and moved on ! ; but why ?

Why can't you fight till you get justice ?
Because you knew clearly that you might end up not getting it because the system is corrupt or because the person or people involved are more privileged than you were .

So you can see how many people would have to go free with their crimes if there is no God .

You are saying crimes are multiplying cos there’s no god. Are you saying god does not exist, or what?

Speaklove:
Yes it is !
All crimes shall be judged by God according to the Christian faith .

And many people have been hindered from crime because of the fear of God .

Atheist says death is the end of life ,so the evil man whose evil came to light after his death would go free but Christianity says " he would be judged even after he died for their is life after death .

Hebrews 4:13
[13]Nothing in all the world can be hidden from God. He can clearly see all things. Everything is open before him. And to him we must explain the way we have lived.

How do you know there would be a judgement after death?
Obviously many Christians don't know all this cos they commit more crimes than atheist despite believing in an afterlife judgment

Speaklove:
You just admitted to vthe fact that injustice goes on in the world and some people are helpless in the face of their abuser .
Some of the conducts and judgement passed in the Nigerian judiciary is an example of how
Helpless humans can be if they do not have certain advantages like power,money influence authority .

Injustice ha always been part of the human history from age aeon ,and an atheistic world will further strengthen the corrupt system of this world that has silenced countless numbers of souls and condemned the innocent to death .

The world needs God - the inadequacy and the imperfection of the system as made that apparent

How did you arrive at the bolded?

Speaklove:
No you do judge others.
There are multiple numbers of books written by atheist aim at judging , abusing and degrading religion .

Should criminal go through rehabilitation and seek improvement or not ?
Should corrupt politicians seek after the transformation of their minds and pusure decency or not ?

Should atheists pursue progressive experiences for their society or not ?

So you saying we shouldn't act been better is equal to the propagation of an evil society in which degeneration is the goal.

Atheists condemn religion not people, and rightly so! Religion has instigated hate and division amongst humanity. Maybe u can research on Great Crusade, Huguenot Wars, Salem Witch Trials etc and see the damage religion has wrought on us.
I can't understand the rest of your post. Maybe u can rephrase…

FiveFootNinja:
None of what I've just said amounts to this weird conclusion you've arrived at. If you're not clear on something, you can always ask, instead of making things up in your head. Because right now you just sound like you're trying to twist my words and make up nonsense instead of actually addressing what I said.

My words were very clear. The first thing I said is that: Religion has no bearing on morality. What that means is that our capacity of doing good or bad is not dependent on religion. If that was true, then there'd be no pastors who scam. There'd be no scandals about people who believe in God, just like Oluwatimilehin Ajayi. But the evidence shows that belief in God doesn't equate to having high morals standards.

I also said that Christians "pretend" to be morally superior. Not that they're actually morally superior. Learn the difference. When atheists like us do good to others, we don't do it because we're expecting compensation or reward, but we do it because such acts are beneficial to our growth and social development as a species. The same can't be said for you guys. Without your Bible, you don't know your left from your right. You can't tell the difference between your mouth and your anus. And that's why atheists are technically better in that regard: We don't need the threat of hell or the promise of heaven to know what is right and what is wrong. That's what I meant when I said you guys "pretend" to be morally superior, even though you guys are actually very bankrupt morally. Most atheists in my experience are honest enough to admit they're flawed morally.

But nice try at twisting my words though. Unfortunately for you, I don't get bamboozled easily by such underhanded tactics.

I'll speak for myself and myself only. Whenever I point out injustices in the society like discrimination, bigotry, tribalism, police brutality and so on, I'm not positioning myself as a paragon of morality. I can, and have been hypocritical in the past. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't care about the very real consequences that some actions have on people. If I shot a member of your family, obviously you'll be in pain, because of the familial bond and relationship. It's that simple.

Nice point bro. But unfortunately he'll still twist it around

Speaklove:
If atheist aren't morally superior to others then why do they judge the others for the evil in the world?

If the aren't superior then you're trying to say they commit more evil than the others ,; that insinuates these others you're referring to know something the atheists doesn't .

You are actually saying atheists are much more evil than religious people

Where did he say atheists commit crime? And where did he state atheists judge folks?

Speaklove:
Then an atheistic world will be full of people who would live there lives in despair and hopelessness , because the system of believes posit that the end of physical is the end of man .

The perpetrators of 911 who died by suicide would never be never be judged .

The leaders of Isis and bokoharam : shekau ,and the other guy both of whom committed suicide wouldn't get punished for their crimes against humanity .

Even you lordreed ; there are some people who if they should hurt you ;you would have nothing to do to them or you might not be able to avenge yourself in equal to your hurt .

Your atheism is insufficient in addressing injustice even in your own very life .

Does your god do anything to perps? Is there any evidence he actually gets up his fat lazy ass to do any stuff?

Speaklove:
I don't know if there is anyone who understand what you're trying to say

He's saying there is no evidence that justice is meted out in the afterlife!

Speaklove:
You're wrong !

How would atheist provide or strive for justice for the cause of a group of ladies who were sexualy abused by a certain man who had managed to conceal the matter while he was alive only for the secret to leak out after his death ?

How would atheists judge such a man for his crime if there is no afterlife or a God who has authority beyond the sphere and influence of men ?

The society atheists dream to build will end up empowering injustice ,would create more tyrants ,beasts and evil men who would get away with their creams if there is no god

Are you aware the more religious countries have more crime?
You pointed at China and ignored the fact Nigeria has a higher crime rate than China. Netherlands have almost empty jails yet they are less religious than Nigeria and other religious countries.
Read this
https://secularaz.org/less-religion-less-violence/
Also below is the rate of hate crime committed by different religious groups as compared to atheists

Speaklove:
Atheism can't handle the crimes of the secret places .
Even CCTV cameras can be manipulated .

Is religion handling crimes?

Speaklove:
Most (if not all ) Atheists speak evil about religion; condemn all religions as if only religious people are committing all the evil in the world .

Recently I read a book written by an atheist and the author took time to explain why religion is evil and how it is unsafe for the world .
And yet the same author printed out reasons why some people embrace religion as follows :the need to be cared for ,the need to be helped ,the need for love and the satisfaction that comes from knowing that someone (God) cares for you all of which atheism ironically has no way to replace
(not even its organised system can replace that ).

Many people find comfort and help from their various religious groups .
they get supported with money to pay school fees ,medical fees ,marriage or naming ceremonies ,food stuff etcetera .
The atheists community might be able to replace or replicate these within their comrades but they can't replace the inner satisfaction that comes with knowing that there is a higher entity up there who would be there for you in the darkest moments of your life or in a situations you might not be able to tell anyone .

(Some people are going through some sort of problems which they wouldn't want to tell anyone because they've experienced how helpless and hopeless a man could be sometime even in the face of the world's most sophisticated systems and channels of help because their problems seems to defy very solutions men have provided )

The level of evil and injustice that goes on in this world is a clear reflection of how unbearable and painful living in this world would have been without God for many people of faith .

There are many people who have been unjustly dealt with even in the western or the so-called civilized world ,and these people have resorted to trusting in God and at the end they saw themselves come out victorious .

There are many atheist who will read this article or post of mine who wouldn't be able to beat their chest that they had never been unjustly dealt with or cheated or stole from and had to resign to faith .


Can atheist provide justice for every single injustice or error or sin mated against humanity ?

Do humans have the capacity to handle every circumstances of live without having to deal with unintentional human error .
Like .

1.Doctors unintentionally forgetting surgical instruments in their patients bodies or stomachs ?
2 .lab scientist unintentionally conducting wrong diagnosis and endangering the lives of their patients ?
3. Police officers unintentionally discharging bullets that ended up killing someone .

4 .pilots who carry out wrong navigations and ended up dying with the passengers
(would the pilots be judged and by who ?)

5. Many people are currently in jail who were wrongly but unintentionally assume for have committed crimes they never did ; how would such people get justice if there is no God who sees beyond the natural and has the capacity to judge and reward , acquit or condemn in the afternoon life ?

These are some of the issues atheism and ( a world without God or a spiritual judge ) can dealt with .

How would a thief who never got caught get punished for his evil ?
How much evil can a CCTV camera capture if there is no spiritual entity who can see beyond the reach of men into the secrets of dark places ?

These are some of the problems and inadequacy a world without a higher spiritual being can't handle .


Atheist are committing crimes the same way religious people are doing .
China has a large atheist population and an atheist friendly government and yet it has records of human rights abuses .

America ,UK Germany and France all have a growing atheist communities and yet the immorality and crime rates is nothing to write home about .

If you say all religions are evil because of what religious people are doing then tell us how atheism is devoid of evil because of what atheists are doing right .

Okay. So you want us to believe in god (even if there's no evidence) as a coping mechanism in depressing moments? So you prefer to believe something that is a lie as long as it makes you comfortable. Really?
So how does trusting in god made folks victorious? I have seen many folks trust in god and die miserably, especially in this Shithole Nigeria. I have folks also not trust in anything and still come out victorious. So what's your point.
I have received injustice. I just shrug my shoulder and move on. I don't hope on any sky daddy to help out. Many a times I get justice. All without hoping or praying to any god.
Btw, the bolded statement doesn't make sense.
Atheism never postulates about solving world problems. It simply means disbelief in any god. There is a branch though called humanism where we help out folks in need, and even at that we can't claim to bring justice.
I have shown on many threads the crime rates of religious countries against relatively irreligious countries. The more religious a country is, the more tendency to crime. I'm sure you didn't make your research before creating this post

essentialone1:
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.

Ain't it?

Obviously you haven't heard of Christian terrorists. Poor you

TenQ:
Is a corrupted OS still existing within the memory device of the computer?

So, how will you know a suitable hardware?
It may be that the OS is written for a microcontroller and not a computer.

Moreover, every OS is written for a particular target machine.
At least you have shown that the Blue Screen of Death isn't a proof that a software is corrupt or that the memory device is empty!




The bottom line is:
1. The fact that a software can EXIST within a suitable hardware of a Computer?

2. There is no Physical method of determining the EXISTENCE of a software within a hardware without another software running on a suitable hardware?

Noted. So how does this apply to our debate about soul

Emusan:
Good!

So, why we don't see evolution in action now?

Lol. Evolution is still in action.
Humans in some parts of Europe are getting taller. Bacteria are adapting to overcome antibiotics etc.

advocatejare:
Show me the signed communique or shut up forever. Liar

You are just an ignorant dolt, the worse type. And very insolent at that. If you don't believe the news report I gave you then get outta my sight

advocatejare:
You didn’t show me a signed communique. Show me the authentic one signed by the NARD President, Secretary General and Public and Social Secretary and I will show the whole world that you’re nothing but a bloody liar!

Advocatejare or whatever you call yourself, a communique doesn't capture the essence of a meeting or the entire NEC resolution. It is just a summary of the whole meeting, mails, demands etc.

advocatejare:
I don’t need to be a member to have access to their communique which is a public document which I have shown you and which didn’t capture the lies you wrote.

You should bury your head in shame for lying that the communique captured what it never captured.

I have shown you the authentic communique signed by the NARD President, Secretary General and Public & Social Secretary.


Why not show us yours, liar!

I showed you a screenshot the other time yet you don't believe it

Emusan:
I even thought you have meaningful thing to contribute.

Yes! I believe the SUPERNATURAL claims there.

You don't need VIDEO or AUDIO in BELIEVE.

Abi Bible claim to be a scientific journal or book?

So you why can't you believe evolution without a video or audio?

Emusan:
Good!

Do all living things on earth go through the process of evolution?

Do all living things evolve at the same time?

Yes every living thing evolves.
No we don't evolve at the same time.

Any other questions

TenQ:
Software refers to a set of instructions, data, or programs that enable a computer to perform specific tasks.


The question is , can a software be said to EXIST within a suitable hardware of a Computer?

Is there any Physical method of determining the EXISTENCE of a software within a hardware without another software running on a suitable hardware?

If the software(in this case the OS) is fine, then we can determine its existence with the aid of a suitable hardware like a PC

TenQ:
Let me break it again into a simple language

1. I have a HDD and it is loaded with Mac OS and may application softwares. So, it is not empty.
2. I connect this non-empty HDD to a PC machines

What would be the output of the PC machine?
Does it imply that the HDD is empty?

No, the PC won't display any OS. So what is the import of this on our discourse?

Lucifyre:
The irony is biblical. Like you have to be purposefully and intentionally dense, to ask for "observational" and "empirical evidence" when your contradictory joke book of mythology has virtuallly none, and that which we have paints it a parody of itself. That's not even considering not having a single clue about the nuances of the evidence you're asking for. They're taking extra steps to stay daft. Quite typical tbf 😁

Becoming dafft may be accidental but staying dafft takes a whole new meaning, especially in these days of rapidly available information

advocatejare:
Liar, you didn’t show me any communique you only showed screenshots of unverified write up. I showed you the communique signed by NARD President, Secretary-General and Public & Social Secretary and what they signed didn’t capture the lie you wrote.

You should be ashamed of yourself for being an unrepentant liar.

I will attach the signed communique again, show yours ( not unverified write up)

You called me insolent but it turned out you're the insolent one, resorting to insults whenever you are engaging someone and then crying like a baby when the insult is dished out to you.
I explained how I became an atheist clearly, and that negated the earlier statement where you said I only became an atheist after my dad's demise.
About NARD, you are not a member neither are you a doctor, so how the fvck would you know what transpired at the NARD NEC

Gabrielshow24:
What you are asking for is macro evolution!
The same proof they can't provide.
The only ones that they do have are indirect proofs 🤔.

Evolution is split into two based on the order of "change" namely: Macroevolution and micro evolution.

Summary of macro - cross specie evolution etc.
Summary of micro - genetic changes within a specie due to several factors.

Micro is well established in organisms such as nylon eating bacteria, drug resistant bacteria to say a few.

Macro on the other hand, takes a lot of years 🤔- millions.
Some theories also suggest that macro evolution might not happen again within a specie due to "stasis" etc.

My question to them, which is quite simple is for them to bring: direct observation proof for macro evolution 🤔!

Something even their brightest minds have failed to do🤕.
Maybe when they have such, we will talk.
Until then don't stress yourself,

Even the very things they believe in don't always have "direct observational proof".
Many of which rely on indirect observational studies 👀.

Your guy is like the regular theist: zero knowledge of evolution
Since you wanna know about macro evolution answer these
1. Do you know humans have tails? Can you explain what happened to it?
2. Do you know the function of organs like appendix, wisdom tooth etc?
Answer these questions and we can discuss macro

TenQ:
Did you see the words or EMPTY or an ELECTRONICS FAILURE !?

You didn't!

What is a software? Lets start from there

Gabrielshow24:
Also ask one of your colleagues. He knows himself 🙃.

Kindly provide direct observational proof for macro evolution.
If you can then we will talk😂😂😂.

All this is futile, you are trying to change the problem statement inorder for me to indulge you in your vanities.

If you want to discuss about the existence of God, kindly create a new thread and in my spare time we will discuss.

I have gone through his posts and I cannot see such statements. If you think I'm lying, kindly show me. If you don't show me, then you're lying once again(which isn't surprising)
We have given you a link about a unicellular turning multi but you rejected it. Thus I asked you for the definition of macro evolution.
About the existence of god, obviously you don't even know the title of the thread you have been commenting on for about a week. If you can't provide a proof just hide your face in shame

Gabrielshow24:
Don't be foolish.
Macro evolution is well defined, if you don't know kindly query then compare what you gave up there with its definition!!!

I don't have time for babbles.
Next point, if you have any to make

Again, define macro evolution, cos u don't even understand the examples we have given you. From the definition, we can continue this discourse

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't make sense to you.

An educated personality can see that micro evolution is well tested and verifiable unlike Macro that no direct evidence exist for🙃.

So the scientists that believe macro aint educated?

Gabrielshow24:
Educate yourself 🙃
Singularity isn't "concrete".

You haven't answered the question. Try again

TenQ:
1. An EMPTY memory device is not really blank. It contains random ordered array of zeros and ones
Because there is no legible instructions in the memory device for the CPU , the CPU becomes FROZEN as it doesn't know how to proceed.
When the CPU freezes, it transfers protocol to the ROM to execute the Blue Screen of Death Sequence.

2. An ELECTRONICS FAILURE may be fatal in the sense that it prevents the reading of whatever is written in the memory device. The result is exactly the same: as the CPU freezes up and transfers protocol to the ROM to execute the Blue Screen of Death Sequence.

Either way, the CPU doesn't know the difference between an EMPTY memory device or a CORRUPTED SOFTWARE or an ELECTRONICS FAILURE.



Summary
There is no physical method that can be used to Detect the presence of a software within the memory device of a computer. The only evidence you can get is to use an appropriate software decoder (another software) in its own hardware for decoding the information.

Example:
A Hard Disk Drive containing a perfectly working Mac Operating system and Application Softwares will produce the BSOD when connected with the CPU of a PC. The PC CPU doesn't know if the HDD (of a Mac Computer) is EMPTY or SOFTWARE IS CORRUPT or there is an ELECTRONICS ERROR!
Here the SOFTWARE is intact but the CPU cannot decode the Information.

What u said is true but we are talking about HOW TO DETECT IF A PC HAS A SOFTWARE OR NOT. A PC Without an OS (simply wont boot )

Emusan:
Yes!

So you believe all the supernatural claims there, despite there being any videos, audios or any observable evidence?