bgees:

Nistelrooy?

i am honestly undecided about that. but here is what we 'd look like next season. maybe carlsberg came with a curse.

http://www.lfconline.com/news/tmnw/next_seasons_liverpool_kits_revealed_480205/index.shtml.

Not bad if you ask me. . . . yes maybe Calsberg did come with some kinda curse. . .good riddance then. . only probs couging out another 40 poun' for new jerseys .

cap28:

Jairzinho - please take a deep breath, slow down and listen, the mujahideen was formed in the 1980's by the CIA in order to counter the soviet threat in afghanistan - various muslim militants includijng osama bin laden were trained and armed by the US intelligence (CIA) to wage war on soviet troops who were trying to occupy afghanistan in order to expand their empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen#Afghanistan

cap28:

see my response to Jairzinho above

You have said nothing my friend,apart from the fact that anyone could easily edit the wikipedia link you have supplied  ,please find below quotes from your link below.

The best-known mujahideen were the various loosely-aligned Afghan opposition groups, which initially rebelled against the incumbent pro-Soviet Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (DRA) government during the late 1970s. At the DRA's request, the Soviet Union intervened. The mujahideen then fought against Soviet and DRA troops during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. After the Soviet Union pulled out of the conflict in the late 1980s the mujahideen fought each other in the subsequent Afghan Civil War.

The mujahideen were significantly financed and armed (and are alleged to have been trained) by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during the administrations of Carter[3] and Reagan, and also by Saudi Arabia, Pakistan under Zia-ul-Haq, Iran, the People's Republic of China and several Western European countries. Pakistan's secret service, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), was used as an intermediary for most of these activities to disguise the sources of support for the resistance. Under Reagan, U.S. support for the mujahideen evolved into an official U.S. foreign policy

 

Did the CIA form MEND? or MASSOB or OPC??  Insurgency groups are formed by genuine(or false) aspirations of people based on their local situation,I repeat-how can KAFIRS form a Muslim army??

Have you thought of that? Later in the 80s the mujahideen drew fighters from all over the world,some british,french and even core arab muslims(probably even africans) felt compelled by their faith to fight the Communist(atheist) soviet army,to prevent them from taking over what they consider as a MUSLIM country-Afghanistan,to them is was a religious obligation not political (just like young Farouk I daresay) .

The CIA on the other hand ,hand good use of this religious fervour for their oWN poilitical agenda. . . . . . . . .,so the CIA DID not form mujahideen,but as i had quoted before they support them in their proxy war against the soviets.

And please lets stop all these conspiracy theories,the boy got through via a combination of factors

1. He is Nigerian - we're better known for drugs,fraud etc. . .certainly not suicide bombing
2.Christmas day-probably one of the busiest days of the year,most of the airport security were probably thinking of the chicken & booze waiting for them at home
3.The grace of God on Obama-so he has a good second chance to readjust & not get messed up by them evil right wingers

George_D:

see toasting!

Na u sabi o George, . . . . . . .make persin no look for fuctional wife again

Mine's the Swedish team to USA 94 - Dahlin,brolin,Anderssen.

I had the pleasure of watching almost all their qualifying matches & they were out of this world.

The Brazilian team(USA 94)were really good too-Romario,Bebeto,Dunga. . . . but techinally the swedes were better.

illusion2:

Quite sad. . . .

Whats sad ?

tallgal:

Yes it is, why?

Norrin . . . just asking

Innuendos & gross misinformation. . . . . .

tallgal:

Do you object to new people participating in forums? Did the poster complain about my post?

I beg post. . . . . . is that your pic in your profile

cap28:

You are not living on the same planet as everyone else - al qaeda is an offshoot of the mujahideen which was trained and funded by the CIA in order to liberate afghanistan from soviet occupation in the 1980's - the mujahideen was created by Zbigniew Brzezinski (former national security advisor under jimmy carter)

You are the one not getting your facts right my friend. The US DID NOT & CANNOT FORM Mujahadeen,they are kafirs for christ sake,they only aided them in a proxy war against the Soviets,they were equally funded by pakistan ,in their own larger aspirations against India. The mujahadeen largely metamorphosised into the TALIBAN. Al Qaeda & Taliban tho' with similar ideologies have largely distinct goals.

Taliban loosely aims to make Pakistan & Afghanistan ruled according to Islamic Sharia law,they don't believe in education for girls etc. . . .while al qaeda aims at toppling the Saudi royalty as well as re-establishing the Islamic Caliphate of the Holy prophet Mohammed (pbuh)

paddy_lo:

plot thickens^^^^. . . this story has too many holes in it to make sense. .
too many intelligience agents knew about this misguided kid for him to have pulled this off by himself. .

He probably pulled it off because of his nationality-Nigerian which wasn't before now under the radar,we are known to be hustlers not suicide bombers. But thanks to this misguided MTF,Nigerians will now be subjected to the same scrutiny as Iranians,Syrians & Pakistanis

Lagosboy:

. . . . but in a non muslim country , I honestly cannot say. In islam half of knowledge is to be honest and say "I do not know". On this one i dont know but could find out.

i don't mean to patronise you,but You also earned my respect on this one my friend. The fact is Christians too cannot explain EVERYTHING,there are somethings we all look forward to learning whenever we get to heaven. I wish everyone could accept this fact ,rather than get aggressive while sticking to issues one can't explain. . . . .

I however disagree with issuing fatwas calling for someone to be killed,anybody that commits blasphemy,should be tried (even in absentia) and the sentence can only be carried out within the jurisdiction of the courts of that land. We have something similar with the international court in the hague. But when every muslim feels obliged to carry out a fatwa calling for someone's death,we are going back to the era of jungle justice. No matter how wicked and emotional a crime might be,we must follow laws,nobody is above the law,both the issuer of fatwa and the blasphemer !!!

tallgal:

George D, are we not allowed to post on it?

Don't mind him jare

MANURE 0 : 1 Leeds
Sorry o ! ^{tho' I must confess I was pleasantly surprised}

Which the best football team you have ever watched and why?

George_D:

this thread still on?

Apparently

illusion2:

@jairzinho. . . . nothing for you

I tell you say I dey look for wife

^^^^ I completely agree with Lagosboy,lets be open minded.

Stereotyping is dead wrong- Igbo,yoruba,muslims are that,christians are this. . . a deep mind never generalises,rather offer/proffer superior arguments. . . . .stereotyping is plain wrong !!

tallgal:

Both.

Hmmm. . . . .interesting

Lagosboy:

Bro, My calling him a lame duck is that i want him to take on the zionist lobby in the US. He went to Cairo to say the israeli settlements are illegitimate and 6 months later he sang another tune backtracking. No matter what he does the Israelis will not be pleased with him as he his not from the type of background they like. Israel has a terrible right wing govt and the earlier Obama uses some power to send powerful signals to them the better. I think Obama is threading softly because of the 2nd term thingy oterwise he should be wise enough to understand these people will do all they can to mes him up

True bro,but you and I know he needs to tred a thin line,already becos of his muslim name ,many americans are wary of him,in fact in a recent poll,almost 20% of Americans still say he's a MUSLIM !! You've also heard of the birthers movement.

So moving too hard ,too fast on Israel would just confirm the right-wing's lies. . .& believe me right-wing activism in America is really fierce,the healthcare debate is an indication of this.

Secondly,Israel is already doing the work for him by becoming increasingly isolated esp as a fallout of the Gaza war,last year. The UN,EU,South Americans are no longer as pro-Israel as they were before and israel will increasingly need the US  more than ever before ! So Obama doesn't need to spoil all that by raising up the rhetoric.

The palestinians also need to get their acts together,the hamas-fatah civil war stalemate is a factor. Then you as a muslim must realise there are some radical muslims who would not want a solution to the paletinian problem ,because without that they'd have no cause to agitate for. Add Iran to the mix and you'll agree with me its a bit complex.

@paddyboi,I just researched your claims on 4%,THE QUESTION WAS DO YOU THINK OBAMA IS PRO-ISRAEL OR PRO-PALESTINIANS, so it has nothing to do with his favourability ratings.

paddyboi:

Why Israel Hates Obama
The president's approval rating has fallen to an astonishingly low 4 percent in the Holy Land. As his envoy jumpstarts peace talks, Richard Wolffe reports on Obama's plans to win the ally back.
Is Obama surrounded by self-hating Jews? That was one of the most ridiculous—and yet perversely telling—stories to emerge from the last several weeks of Israeli media coverage.
Not because the president is surrounded by Jewish aides who want to sabotage their own identity. Far from it. David Axelrod openly reveres the old Jewish deli in Chicago known as Manny’s. He has a sign in his West Wing office saying Barack Obama in Hebrew script. And Rahm Emanuel could no more hate his Jewish and Israeli ties than he could the vocabulary of the Anglo-Saxons. . . .contd
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-10-01/a-white-house-of-self-hating-jews/?cid=bsa:mostpopular1

heres your proof mate. . .

@paddyboi,this contradicts your posts

Abeem:

Culled from foreignpolicy.com. Read the rest article from here: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/12/11/how_israel_sees_obama?page=0,0

Lagosboy:

By the minute things are getting clearer, it is only the blind that will not pick holes in the official story and all major media outfit are complicit in this movie. Otherwise why is there no conflicting view aired on the media at least to give people another side of the coin.

Imagine bloody 3D scanners and some bloke seeing the size of a womans privates and stuff, why not let us all walk unclothed at the airports fo rthe sake of some bloody ambious security. The fact remains no amount of security can stop a person willing to kill himself and others, worse this was all ochestrated. Obama is appearing by the day as a lame duck, all these zionist apologist should be gotten rid of. The US should protect itrs own interest not of a 3rd party state.

Everyone complained that Bush was unreasonable by being a warmongerer & dealing civil liberties a deadly blow. Now we have a more reasonable guy (Obama) you say he's a lame duck?? Did he ask Farouk to decide to blow himself up? The man was on holiday in hawaii for Christ sake,what has he done wrong? Lets not be quick to lay blame untill we have our FACTS ! right now everything quoted here is PURE SPECULATION. If obama fails,muslims & Africans WILL definitely suffer as the next republican president will go al out to deal with real $perceived 'enemies'.Remember the 'Bush doctrine'. The initial blame should be on radical islam ,later we can begin to look at conspiracies.

tallgal:

Who says a functional wife can't be good in bed? All it takes is enough pampering and a good makeover to turn a functional wife into an attractive one (watch any Tyra Banks show and you'll see what I mean). So go for the functional wife, your love will turn the attractiveness inside to the outside.

So are you a functional or attractive babe ?

Abeem:

Those asking for source of the decline in Obama's popularity/ratings among the Jews, check this out:

http://www.israelforum.com/blog_article.php?aid=2473239

No information here my friend. . .the assertion by the OP (paddyboi) was that Obama's popularity in Israel was 5%. . .still waiting for back-up.

The latest gallup poll on Obama's popularity IN THE US can be gotten here: http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

I'm off to bed.

MrCrackles:

Shut up, relax and stop hyperventilating. . .
No other available manager outhere will do any better

says who?

Lagosboy:

Bro, Yemeni govt says miltiants with ties to israel were caught in Yemen.
There are several militant cells that have israeli spies in them, In iraq a few of them were caught, sometimes apparent militant actually work for the Mossad to help the cause and his followers never understand this.

Alqaeda is not what it used to be, it is fragmented and largely auotonomous. Bin Laden would never have known about this plot. Militants just use the name alqaeda as a brand name and nothing more. Mossad penetrating Alqaeda cells in Yemen is very possible and they could have facilited this act. The boy i beleive was just a naive sacrifical lamb.

No one suggests the actual alqaeda core have anything to do with Isreal but all these splinter groups could well pass as anything and could be used as pawns as well. Pakistan as an examples have lots of attacks that cannot be traced to the militants and the questions is who is carrying out some of these deadly attacks , pakistanis point accusing fingers at India and Israel. The Pakistani taliban exist no doubt but not all the attacks are carried out by them. Mossadd will never allow peace in Pakistan as a muslim country with nuclear weapons is a live threat to Israel.

You have a point in countries interfering with each other-the pakistanis do it to india,Afghanistan,Iranians are involved in iraq,GCC countries,yemen(Houthi rebels),US is all over the world. This isn't new. Only Nigeria has little intelligence gathering  

But I don't think we should blame israel for everything (or the US),its just too easy. And people that analyse issues shouldn't think like that. All these countries have legitimate internal problems.

I strongly feel,Farouk passed through via a combination of carelessness & the sheer volume of Holiday travellers. he chose the perfect day- Christmas day !

paddyboi:

A new poll shows that President Barack Obama, who has endured record- low levels of Israeli popularity for any American president, is regarded as pro-Palestinian by three- to-one ratio of Israelis. According to the poll, conducted by the Palestinian Center for Survey Research this month, only 13% of Israelis regard President Obama’s policy as more supportive of Israel than the Palestinians, as opposed to nearly three times that figure – 37% – who believe it is more supportive of the Palestinians. The poll also showed that nearly two- thirds of Israelis – 65% – believe that it is impossible to reach a final peace agreement with the Palestinians (‘Joint Israeli Palestinian Poll, December 2009,’ Palestinian Center for Survey Research, December 22, 2009).
Paragraph-1 Contains

ZOA National President Morton A. Klein said, “It is striking that, by a three to one margin, Israelis believe that the Obama Administration is pro-Palestinian rather than pro-Israeli. As ZOA noted earlier in the year, President Obama’s popularity in Israel underwent a dramatic fall following the very public pressure exerted on Israel by his Administration to freeze all Jewish construction in Judea, Samaria and eastern Jerusalem; his June 4 Cairo speech and other policy moves and statements that suggested a downgrading of ties and support for Israel.
Paragraph-2 Contains

“This is after all a President who has gone out of his way to demand virtually the unilateral establishment of a Palestinian state, which will certainly be a terrorist state antagonistic to Israel, while putting no serious pressure on the Palestinians to arrest terrorists or end incitement against Jews and Israelis.
Paragraph-3 Contains

“Despite somewhat easing off with pressure on a Jewish construction freeze and a less confrontational atmosphere, this poll shows Israelis remaining deeply concerned about this President.” (© 2009 Zionist Organization of America 12/24/09)
http://www.unitedjerusalem.org/index2.asp?id=1314891

this is what i can find for now,but u get the idea dont u. . .as for the 5% it was on CNN a month or so ago. . .i will try find the latest gallup poll for him in israel

^^^^ This is referring to OBAMA'S PALESTINIAN POLICY !

paddyboi:

think about u not being an american citizen,travelling to the U.S with a nigerian passport that has visas to yemen
u are a young muslim,dressed shabilly. . .white t-shirt,no coat,one way ticket
previously denied visa to the u.k. . .
on some kind of CIA/state department watch list
flying in from nigeria,notorious for drugs
put all these together with the fact that the CIA is alledgedly doing covert ops in yemen and was warned about  "the nigerian"
they were also warned in abuja. . .
add all of it together and see that something stinks to the high heavens about this story

of course the boy will take the fall as he doesnt know any better
and u will be told he acted alone

That the CIA dropped the ball is not in doubt,there are 2 ways of looking at it,it was conspiracy  OR it was a f@#$ up !

Farouk had a brown jacket on (tied to his waist on his arrest)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/26/airline.attack/index.html

Lagosboy:

No where in the post did the article suggest that, no one here is saying that. All we are trying to do is establishing the connections involved this plot. Looking at the whole issue from a broader spectrum.

i need to see the correlation bro. . . .he is allied to Al qaeda which believes its a religious duty to kill Americans. . .so the boys motivation is clear.

How Muttalab senior's alledged links to CIA or Israel comes into the picture Im yet to understand.

Yes Israel gains by the racheting up of terror & all,but to opine that israel somehow has control over Al Qaeda is largely ludicrous. I know for a certainty that you CAN NEVER enter any of the ME countries if you have as much as visited Israel before,that shows the height of the animosity btw them ,so lets be objective pls.

The article is full of hearsay & little facts.

paddyboi:

dude obamas popularity in israel is 5%. . . .

Please back this up !

paddyboi:

below is muttallabs dad bio. . . .

Mutallab, an accomplished banker
WRITTEN BY IDRIS AHMED
SUNDAY, 27 DECEMBER 2009 00:28
Veteran Chairman of the Board of First Bank Plc Alhaji Umaru Abdul Mutallab formally retired from the position on December 13, 2009 after serving on the Board for thirteen years.
His voluntary retirement was announced at the Board meeting of the bank in Lagos.

He clocked the age of 70 years on December 15. He was born in 1939. First Bank was yet to announce a successor.

Mutallab was appointed to the Board of First Bank in 1996 and became its Chairman in 1999. He attended Barewa College, Zaria, Achimota College, Accra, Ghana and the South West London College, London.

He started his working career in 1965 as a Management Accountant with Fuller Jenks Beecroft & Co in London.

He also served as Chief Accountant/Acting General Manager, Defence Industries Corporation in Kaduna. He was also the Financial Controller of the company.

He rose to become the General Manager, New Nigeria Development Company Limited (NNDC) from 1968 to 1975. In 1975, he was appointed as Federal Commissioner (i.e. Minister) for Economic Development & Reconstruction and was re-assigned to the Federal Ministry of Cooperatives & Supply in 1976.

He was a member, Federal Executive Council from 1976 to 1978. He left to serve as Executive Vice Chairman/Managing Director, United Bank for Africa (UBA) up till 1988.

Mutallab is a Fellow of the Institute of Chartered and Certified Accountants (FCCA), Fellow Institute of Chartered Accountants of Nigeria (FCA), Fellow Institute of the International Bankers Association of the United States (FIBA) and Fellow Institute of Bankers of Nigeria.

He holds the Nigeria National Honour of the Commander of the Order of the Niger (CON) and the Italian National Honour of Commander of the Order of Merit. He was awarded a Honourary Doctorate Degree by the Obafemi Awolowo University, Ile-Ife.

Mutallab also served on the boards of several companies such as Arewa Textiles Limited, NEPA, NACB, NCC, Nigeria Agip Oil, and the Cement Company of Northern Nigeria [CCNN].

He is currently Chairman of several companies, including Impresit Bakolori Plc, Incar Nigeria Plc and Spring Waters Nigeria Limited (SWAN). He is also Chairman, Business Support Group of the Vision 202020.

http://www.sunday.dailytrust.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2390:mutallab-an-accomplished-banker&catid=41:latest-news&Itemid=26

one thing u gotta know is that israeli intelligience is very active in nigeria. . .right from the 80s with IBB, and up to OBJ. . .
as for the no-fly list,the writer is saying that if he was on a cia watch list he is even worse than being on a no fly list as he would be on 24hrs surveillance
dont forget the CIA claimed they heard chatter of a nigerian. . .how can that be and they not know it was him. . .they even had a name umar farouk

Ok,he has CIA,israeli links,SO HE SENT HIS SON TO BE BLOWN UP !!!!!

Maintenance is key. Also equipment and drugs for the hospitals. . ,

Bishopking:

there are lot of reasons to suspect the American government of foul play!

for how long had the chap farouk stayed in yemen to have access to the high ranking members of al-qaeda?
How could they trust him?
how did he move the 'weapons' from yemen through all the countries before he finaly made it to detroit?
Why did mutallab sr suspect foul play on the part of his son such that he could only report him to US embassy! why not other embasssies? why not any security outfit in nigeria?
Why did US embassy still give him visa despite previous warning?
why did farook wait until the plane was approaching landing in the US territory before he tried to detonate the 'crackers'?
, how come he sustained injury and yet the 'weapon' did not fully detonate?

why did they say that he was 23 years old? A video (titled: suspect hometown stunned) report on
CNN website:http://edition.cnn.com/video/  (pause on time 55s) showed on his primary school certificate that he was born in april 1988 (meaning he was 21 as at the time of his crime). why is this in contradiction to his travelling documents through which they got his supposed age? Dont nigerian reduce their age (if they want to lie) instead of inflating it?

Why are the informations simply not adding up? Why?!!!!

I saw the interview with his pry school teacher he  was born in 1986,this is all over the internet. he got the visa in 2008 (2 years multiple) and he had travelled to the US previously on that visa for a conference in Houston. Get your facts right !

paddyboi:

we are saying israeli intelligience might have known about this plan and facilitated it. .they might have even planned it all in the first place. . .

remember lee harvey oswald that killed JFK. . .well he also thought he was fighting some kind of righteous cause
not knowing he was only a pawn

if a whole USA president can be assasinated,how much less some faceless ppl on a plane,and a clueless nigerian wanabee jihadist

If indeed,Israel was so powerful,they should have influenced the US presidential election and ensured McCain not Obama won the election. One thing people don't realise is that the Israeli society itself is divided between liberals,moderates and extreme-right wing. The labour & Kadima(Tzipi Livni) parties are made up of dovish leftist & moderates,while the current PM tends to the right. Put the almost 20% of Israeli population made up of arabs and you can understand you are not looking at an exactly homogenous citizenry.

Yes,you will have hawkish people within any society,but that they would deliberately allow a terrorist on a plane is being rather disingenious.

The more plausible explanation is that the airport security was overwhelmed by holiday travellers and they missed the point.

Reading 1:1 Liverpool

A really disappointing game,when will our recovery begin?!

I say sack Rafa immediately !!!

olabowale:

Jew or Judaism, a religion of the Jewish tribes, was not practiced by any prophet, including Zachariah, his son John, Jesus, and those before them! A priest does not have to be a Jewish religion priest, since you have priesthood among the Christians, now! Did the religion of Aaron different from that of Moses? No. Was Moses of a different religion from Noah, or from Ibrahim (AS)? No. Did the religion of Noah different from that of Ibrahim? No. When was the word Jew or Judaism ever used? Check your Bible: Jew as a tribe is coined from Judah, a son of Jacob. It was only a tribe and not a religion, but one of the 12 nations of the children of Israel/jacob at the drinking wells!
I have been in many Jewish homes. My senior legal adviser is a Judge in Nevada, a Jewish man who is like a nephew to me. We lived together when I was living out there. Fred is a Jew in New York New Jersey and a VP of my Company. I know many in Borough park/Fort hamilton Parkway in Brooklyn. Sam, probably dead now, if he were to be alive will be 97, in Manhattan's 73rd Street was my attorney for 10 years straight. Nathan, who was a Rabbi of the Labovitch of Eastern Parkway was so close to me in the 1990s. I say all of these to mean what; did Passover rites occurred as part of the development of the "Jewish rites?" Of course not! When, the Children of Israel wereslaves in Egypt, they were simply called 'hebrew' based on their origin, and remnant of language' spoken. They were not in any place referred to as Jew, neither by by ethnicity, nor by religion! Their religion is based only on their not being oppressive like the Egyptian, but in addition being patient in belief of God! When were they Jews, Jairzinho! I have been in may homes of Jews, attended their Sedas. Have you. Seriously?

Religion is what WE call it now. They just worshipped God ! Now people have different ways of worshipping God & call it religion. The God they worshipped was called Jehovah, or Yahweh, . .is this one of the names of Allah?

How can you say none of the prophets practiced Judaism when some of them were Jews Hebrew, Jews have been used interchangeable over time, while Hebrew was the language of the entire nation of Israel(old kingdom under David or Daoud),Jew as you have rightly said referred mainly to tribe of Judah. Lets assume you are right and Jewish religion was limited to the tribe of Judah,when did this schism take place?? How many thousands of years before Jesus??


Who is a Jew?
A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism. (similar to your definition of Muslim vis a vis Shaddadah)
You have listed a lot of Jewish acquaintances,why not ask them if their religion started AFTER Jesus Christ?? I’m sure they will laugh at you. The Jewish religion and traditions are primarily based on the laws of Moses, and part of their beliefs was that they would one day have a Messiah (Al Masih in the Qur’an),we Christians believe that messiah is Jesus they do not accept. So how can a religion that prophesied about a Messiah start after the Messiah came?


Jewish religion has being influenced by Jewish ethnicity,just as Islam has being influenced by Arabic ethnicity,but to say only people of Jewish ethnicity practice Judaism is a fallacy you cannot defend.

So priests are not associated with religion?? Who is a priest? To say all the priests were just ethnic is laughable.

olabowale:

Shahadah is the most important. Those born into Islamic homes dont have to take shahadah when they become practicers of what you listed. Those who never practiced any religion as they reach puberty, even if they are from Ogun worshipper's home, they do not have to take any shahadah, for the pen is lifted before puberty! Now, the salah of Adam might have been just 2 salah and not five. For example, we read that Jesus made prostration and prayed in some parts of the night (Quyam), and I asked you to see the below that some christians and jews are still doing it like Muslims of Today; Youtube: Early Christian Prayer and mysticism.
Possible origin of Islamic Prostration.
The Jesus Prayer
Ethiopian orthodox christian prostration in prayer
An Ethiopian orthodox Easter in Lalibela
The Jews have the same sets of videos: Prostration in daily Jewish prayer.
Daily Jewish prayer and submssion.
Am sure you will find a good size library, so help yourself. As for Zakah, who should Adam give Zakat to, when he was the father of his children, husband of his wife, and grandfather of his grandchildren, all of them he is responsible for, naturally? Hajj, was prescribed by the call of Ibrahim (AS) and not before. Saum, fasting: a great testament to the Islam of Jesus, Moses, and others. While it was compulsory for Jesus to fast, it is not compulsory on you, a man who claims to follow him, while in reality you follow Paul, and company, the developers of the Christian doctrines!

The rest of your retorts, I leave alone, because they are not relevant to me. Are you okay man? I hope the hangover wears off, soon.

No links provided.
The shadadh includes ,the words ‘Mohammed is his prophet’. . . .how could Adam,Abraham,Moses have said this? The God of Moses was called Jehovah,is that one of the names of Allah?
On fasting ,you are making uninformed assumptions again. Christians have an annual full month of fasting called LENT culminating in Easter.
Since you have many Wikipedia links,I’ll advise you read this one

olabowale:

It was later used, as Judea, a nation along with nation of Israel, after the death of the son of King Solomon, when as Biblical Go punished them by tearing them into 2 nations! It was never use as a religion at no time, but alwats as an identity of ethic people, when the single tribe absorbed all the others, and their collective identity "Children of Israel" was dropped for it! Today, those who know enough about them will let you know that the Book known as Mishnash and Mamodian, etc were not known to anyone, including Jesus, your human God! What we find, from your Bible, is that Jesus was correcting the hypocracy of his people as he said, "i am but sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Whats the qualification for being a lost sheep, except deviation from Torah of Moses and Sabur of Daud (AS)?
Jesus said to not cancel the laws and the prophets. Neither is an indication of a religion, and when Jesus said worship God alone, and ignore everything else, it means innovations; books and methodologies! Show me the "ark of covenant, and those things that Moses brought in his form of religion of Islam"? The Jews of Today in their religious services bop their heads towards the Wailing wall! Moses did not do that. Jesus did not do that! The religion of Jesus was the religion of Moses! Today, the Jews have some kind of leather band on the head "similar" to coal miner's head lamps or a bandana. Please tell me if Jesus used to wear that? Again give me the qualitative elements of "the lost sheep" of the house of Israel?

Like I said ,stop denigrating our Lord Jesus Christ,it adds nothing to your posts,I don’t want to tred the path of insults. He is not a ‘human God’ he is the Messiah (Al Masih according to Qur’an) All the biblical events about virginal birth,ascension ,and return are all recorded in the Qura’n yet you call him a ‘human God’. Egbon e so ara yin o !
He came to reconnect the Jews (or Israelites) with God. They thought he came to establish a kingdom on earth via military means,but his focus was on heaven,Islam still focuses on an earthly kingdom(caliphate) instead of aspiring for heaven.

olabowale:

Am not tired. It seems to me that you are the one who is probably tired, since beer and all the trimings of New Year's eve and New Year's day must have flowed liberally with you.
The rest of your retorts, I leave alone, because they are not relevant to me. Are you okay man? I hope the hangover wears off, soon.

I’m sorry I don’t drink or smoke (never have & never will).

Punkinmusty:

Jairzinho and the seeker.i can see your level of imagination is quite childish n blasphemous.the writers of d bible allowed this kind of imaginations to influence dem while writin n in d process they imagined trinity,crucifiction,holy ghost n alot more.they went ahead to include such blasphemies in the bible.today,no christian can actually give u a convincing explanation on dz issues.so u both shuld b busy addressin dz atrocities instead of tryin to campare white n black.

READ before you make comments my friend. God gave you eyes to read ! Jairzinho and the seeker are on different wavelengths on this one (I hope you understand what that means )

olabowale:

Childish exchanges my foot, and its only you that will engage in it. While you keep your position, ignorantly like a mule, the truth is the truth. I hope you are not going to stake your life on any statement that Adam and or Ibrahim were or was a Jew, a religion that was not in existence even until after Jesus, for religion is not the same as the ethnicity?! You will not argue either that Adam and Ibrahim did not have the same religion, or were not religious, for the worshipped their Creator? Is it not true that Islam simply means submission to the Will/Commitment/etc of the Creator?

You are getting angrier & angrier, what’s the problem? Is everything okay? This is not the normally level headed olabowale ,I’m used to.
HOW CAN YOU SAY JUDAISM DID NOT EXIST UNTIL AFTER JESUS??!!! Surely you’re joking??
Zechariah,the father of John the Baptist 9Prophet yahia in Arabic)was a priest,the old testament is replete with information on Levi priests, Aaron, Moses elder brother was a priest. What has these got to do with ethnicity?
THE PASSOVER FEAST IS STILL CELEBRATED TODAY by Jews , pre-dates  Jesus.
You normally research before you post, I’m sure you’re tired, pls take your time next time around.

Abraham & Adam could not have been muslims because:
The Five Pillars of islam are: shadadah, salah, zakat, hajj & fasting. Please show me where Adam and Abraham went through this either in the Qura’n or in the Bible.

olabowale:

The Islam of Noah would be based on what led people to be saved in the boat, while it must be against what made people perish! Islam of Ibrahim will have to be more than the basic one practiced by Noah. For example, we see that the essence of Lut, a contemporary of Ibrahim was purely against the evil of sexual deviance! Was Lut a Jew, Jairzinho? Argue with sense and not with digging yor heel so stubbornly in the ground of ignorance. I dont wanna us the tongue out emocon on you! I want you to not be blind, even as you are standing arrogantly!

You sir are the one standing ignorantly,if you claim Judaism started after Jesus ,when it is recorded he was teaching in the synagogue at age 12 ,to the amazement of the teachers of the law (Pharasees)
Just open your mind sir & don’t throw insults around. I’m not digging my heel into anything. . . provide back up to your claims & we are in business.

olabowale:

What is pseudo intellectual is your argument, think that its not existence can not certainly translate to the fact that it is a lie! I gave you websites for a purpose, man. Use it to refute me. It was absolutely impossible to build a structure (building with mortar or stone or etc) that will extend, to the heavens. No structure of that kind is possible. The tafsir of when Pharaoh said it in Quran simply pointed out that the hypocrite Hamana did not tell the tyrannical Pharaoh that such a structure he

Its pseudo-intellectual because you type so much and present is as if you have facts ,whereas  your  entire post is devoid of any coherent fact, but  premised on baseless assumptions. Islam is based on the 5 pillars ! I visited the websites and all the information was at best incoherent.
From the Bible,Nimrod was the great-grand son of Noah,so you can take it from there,as for ability to build a building to reach the heaven,I will stick to my Holy book

olabowale:

The Islam of Noah would be based on what led people to be saved in the boat, while it must be against what made people perish! Islam of Ibrahim will have to be more than the basic one practiced by Noah. For example, we see that the essence of Lut, a contemporary of Ibrahim was purely against the evil of sexual deviance! Was Lut a Jew, Jairzinho? Argue with sense and not with digging yor heel so stubbornly in the ground of ignorance. I dont wanna us the tongue out emocon on you! I want you to not be blind, even as you are standing arrogantly!

You sir are the one standing ignorantly,if you claim Judaism started after Jesus ,when it is recorded he was teaching in the synagogue at age 12 ,to the amazement of the teachers of the law (Pharasees)
Just open your mind sir & don’t throw insults around. I’m not digging my heel into anything. . . provide back up to your claims & we are in business.

olabowale:

While I will not argue Yoruba mythology with you, do you see the possibilty of beloved slave, Jesus and his children of Israel people suddenly calling themselves children of "GOD"? There is a yoruba saying: Tia ba ka eru, inu eru aba je. This simply means that a slave blood that rose in rank and became beloved, even as he moves freely in the court with free and the princely, he may just forget that he is a slave, so he demanded from the king that they should have a head count on the slaves. Surprise, surprise, he was counted among them!
And to have allowed you to perpetrate a fraud in form of argument, will be an indictment against  clear minded people, who will stand idly to let your injustice run amock in the mind of innocent people. This is why I nip it in the bud, before it festered. I hereby rest my case!   

And please respect my beliefs,I have not insulted the Holy prophet or the Islamic faith,let your age be reflected in your posts sir,you are not Abuzola !
You can’t rest your case because you haven’t added anything new to the discourse.