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very expensive, I have to warn you) for the reasonably priced alternatives. . . joop and Thiery Mugler- angel men. good luck

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=443065.msg6405935#msg6405935 date=1279465591]Says who?
A bad world cup doesn't reduce Wazza's market value. . . . That one na nonsense.[/quote]You can't be serious. how can a bad performance at the biggest football competition in the world not affect a players market value?

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=443065.msg6405935#msg6405935 date=1279465591]That is because we have had the worst midfielders in the top 4 in the last 2 seasons.
Fergie realized this and played 5 midfielders to combat this issue. . . The injury of Hargo exposed United's midfield.
United need a free-scoring midfielder next season otherwise it might be disastrous for Fergie.[/quote]You can have quality creative midfielders but at the end of the day, a quality striker like Rooney is still essential to put the chances away

you can not entrust such a weighted responsibility on a toothless player like berbatov and an unproven young talent.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=443065.msg6405935#msg6405935 date=1279465591]The team isn't built round Berbatov. . . . .The chances people talk about are difficult chances that Rooney misses regularly but you rarely see him crucified for it by the British media.

Get 2 creative midfielders behind Berbatov, players who don't hoof senseless long balls to him, players who can guide the ball perfectly into Berba's strides and watch him flourish in that role. Berbatov's main problem is he doesn't fit into the calibre of players we have in abundance.[/quote]You are requesting for the manager to alter the current system in order to harness a SINGLE players potential. wouldn't that contradict the popular belief

around the united fold that footie is a collective effort. perhaps, it's only sensible for a team to take such a radical approach in the name of a worthy player

who can more or less guarantee that the changed system will produce far greater positive result rather than bite the manager in the a**

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=443065.msg6405935#msg6405935 date=1279465591]Fergie's teams rarely lack goals.
When Ruud was sold, i had the same fear but his team scored more goals than when Ruud was around.
Same was feared when Ronaldo left. . . . . .

I doubt the trend would change if we sell Rooney.[/quote]What's the guarantee that the trend wouldn't change.

At least united had a competent replacement in Rooney when Ruud left, what player in the current squad can you rely on to take over from Rooney IF he leaves

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=443065.msg6405830#msg6405830 date=1279463075]He's ma favourite United player and i wish United could sell Rooney for two world class creative midfielders(Sneijder + Iniesta)
Berbatov + Hernandez look a promising combo upfront. . . . .[/quote]Is it safe to conclude that you are on the verge of losing it

Sell your best striker/player to acquire the services of two WC playmakers. . . .  Sneijder and Iniesta are wpoty candidate and Rooney's abysmal world cup

outing would have in fact negatively affected his market value. which means you can't generate enough finances from selling Rooney. . . . . . . . . . .

besides that, berbatov has proven over the last two season to be a major flop and has totally forgotten his primary role and responsibility as a striker is to

score goals even when presented with many tantalizing opportunities. Hernandez on the other hand, is an up and coming starlet whose quality is still

relatively unproven. whether he can come in and produce the goods in his FIRST season in the EPL, is the question.

Selling Rooney would be a BIG mistake, . . where will the goals come from.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Your determination to never back down from a position you strongly believe in is peerless

you have been on Berbatov's defense for almost a year now.

Great game.

I was particularly impressed by Josh McEachran . . . seems a promising young talent, very skillful and comfortable on the ball

What's the news/rumour about chelsea chasing an injury prone Torres, I'm struggling to make sense of the situation.

I hope the deal never happens.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=14662.msg6391958#msg6391958 date=1279215816]Your sense of recognition is so dead!!!
Try this. . . .

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[quote][/quote]I'm feeling this one actually. it's so much better than our away kit of two seasons ago, the bright yellow. . . . just looks tacky and classless

Ibime:
^^^ Consistency is based on the denominator of how many games you played. Ronaldo was consistent throughout his career. Almost every season he played, he smashed it.

hehehe. . . . this debate has gone to pot.

Speaking of Ronaldo, some lummoxes like Dr Kartoon have placed Zidane as 3rd greatest player of all time behind Pele and Maradona. This disconnect between myth and reality is frightening. Zidane isnt even the greatest player of his generation for that honour goes to Ronaldo Lima. Zidane is not even the greatest French player, for that honour goes to Platini. We havent even started talking of guys like Cruyff, Eusebio, Beckenbaur, Di Stefano, Puskas etc. This just goes to show that Zidane is more myth than reality.


I believe Dayokanu said this in April:

You are right. The third greatest player of all time was being outshone by Del Piero, Ronaldo and Figo on a regular in the late 1990's.

In the 2000's he largely wasted his career with Real Madrid, strolling around the pitch for 90 minutes, and having only 1 UCL and 1 league title to show for his time there.

Lets face it. . . . Zidane's legend was made by 2 lucky headers in the WC final. How come Zidane had been playing footie for 10 years before tkb heard of him? 

I doubt we would place him above Romario and Baggio if not for his slice of luck in the 1998 WC final.

GBAM.

When I raised the issue of zidane being overrated a few months back, some resident retards and nincompoop nearly chopped my head off

I don't neccesarily follow the crowd/media when it comes to footie or any other issue for that matter, I basically make my own informed judgement

dayokanu:
Where did Ronaldo shine from in 1994-1996- Nowhere

Ronaldo.  . .  1994-1996 at PSV scored 42 goals in 46 app   . (that is freaking consistent, more than consistent in fact)

it's important to note that this was at a period when eredivisie had substance and was well recognized worldwide

dayokanu:
Where did he shine from in 1999-2001- Nowhere

He was injured in that period, you can only judge a player based on his output on the pitch

We are comparing players at their peak btw, only a doofus would even attempt to make such a comparison

dayokanu:
Reach your own conclusions

My conclusion is that Ronaldo, in his prime, was head and shoulders above every other striker that ever played the game and as a result renders your

comparison absolutely useless. which leads me to the final conclusion that you are an irredeemable camel

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362607.msg6392709#msg6392709 date=1279225749]Person wey dey reason like goat?
I won't waste ma time trying to figure out why he reasons like a ruminant animal. . . . .Good luck to you in your endeavour to sort that out.
How can any retard even compare Ronaldo to Ruud/Henry? This debate has gone to the gutters. . . .
Dayokanu has managed to turn this debate on it's head to mask his grade A idiocy.[/quote] na mukinatu's girlfriend lover you dey yab like this. me i no dey there oo

dayokanu:
How does Jalethers opinion agree with yours here?

You can see that even jalether is not laughing with you, He is laughing at your shining stupidity

or how many continental titles Did Bergkamp, Riquelme and Gazza win. You cant just cover your stupidity with a bushel it would shine out

Henry and Nistelrooy were probably more consistent than Ronaldo Lima Cos Ronaldo shone 1996-98 and went on a break till 2002 while Henry was consistent from 1999-2005

On that premise we can say they are better than Ronaldo right?

No they were not.

Ronaldo shone from 1994-2003. injury kept him out of footie for two years in that period. (9-2=7) meaning he shone for 7 years while Henry and Ruud

reign only lasted for 6 years. besides Luiz Ronaldo's abilities and level of performance, on a consistent basis, was second to none. I don't get how you reason

sometimes.

You cannot compare a central midfielder to an attacking midfielder

Zidane and Xavi play (ed) different roles for their respective teams. One thing I will however agree on with ibime and sauron is

Xavi is more consistent player than Zidane. that's for sure. . . winning WPOTY/EPOTY shouldn't be based solely on shining in some/few big games.

"as with every award, there's always some flaws and inconsistency". that Xavi hasn't won as many individual award as Zidane, in my opinion is not

an accurate parameter for assessing their brilliance. PERIOD.

for example, Kaka cannot be said to be better than Dennis Bergkamp, Gascoigne, Riquelme et al on the basis of winning more important individual awards

(WPOTY,EPOTY).

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362607.msg6372712#msg6372712 date=1278946595]Mourinho simply parked the bus and Ibrahimovic was useless. . . .
Until he was subbed and Piquenbauer was pushed upfront, Barca had nothing going for them upfront.

Germany parked the bus and were hoping to hit Spain with counter-attacks.
It's very difficult to play teams that put 9 players behind the ball every time - It makes me sick that football has now gone to the sewers.

Ozil was schooled by a more technical and positionally disciplined player, Busquets.
Busquets broke down the play and played simple 5-10 yard passes to Iniesta, Xabi and Xavi and i am a fan of Busquets when Spain don't have the ball. That dude knows how to PRESS. Ozil and co should learn from him.

I am getting fed up of one route football.
Why can't other teams develop their youth players to play the Spanish way.

Simple tiki taka. . . . .Appreciation of time and space and the weight of the passes to keep things running smoothly.
Seriously, we should give Spain their credits. They did not relent or change their philosophy even when they were trailing against Switzerland.
They kept passing the ball, looking for openings and there was no hue of anti-football throughout.

I am glad Football won in the end.
Holland and Germany were not good enough to win the World Cup.
VIVA ESPANA!!!![/quote]You are not alone on the bolded

I have missed those days when you could always bet on fixtures such as Brazil vs Holland to produce a spectacle

sadly those days are virtually over. nowadays, watching paintings on the wall can be more entertaining than some/most football matches

I'm rooting for spain to win this one.

I can't believe D.Silva has only started for spain once in this tourney . . .  that's what happens when a country is packed with too many talents.

mikeansy:
There is a side to Xavi's game that no one seems to talk about.

All Xavi makes are obvious passes where there is already a Spanish player waiting to collect the ball. He does not play adventurous defence splitting passes. Just like Zidane or Okocha will do.

This is why sometimes his game is very blunt. Xavi lacks the vission of Messi, Zidane, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Okocha etc.
Xavi is too cautious and controlled and as such very boring.

BLASPHEMY

Isn't the answer obvious. . . . of course, Federer is the better player

Remii:
Check the following record for PELE:
He scored five goals in a game six times, four goals 30 times, three goals 90 times. Between 1956 and 1974, he racked up a massive 1,220 goals, scoring at least 100 times in three of those seasons.
Pele was a big game player--not only scoring an average of at least one goal in every international game he played but also leading Brazil to three consecutive World Cup titles. I read about one of his games, where he played a corner kick and still made it to inside 18 to score the same ball he played.

Those who say since they didn't see his actions they don't believe it, one day they would be comparing Nigerian Teslim Thunder Balogun with the likes of Kanu, Martins etc since they saw those and did not the greatest Nigerian Footballer of all times.

Against what opponents?

Even david villa will score 800 goals per 100 games in shitty leagues (brazil and MLS) where pele spent his career. would he have scored that many goals

in the serie A and la liga where maradona proved himself amongst other great players

BTW, his total goal tally includes goals scored  in exhibition matches as well.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=35696.msg6331342#msg6331342 date=1278272449]Cannavaro is not 100%. . . . . . .
Weah won WPOTY + EPOTY + APOTY. . . . . . .3 grandslam awards.
Cannavaro won just 2 grandslam awards. There's a universe of difference between the two.

Maldini is a legend. . . . .His shirt number in Milan has been retired.
No other player will wear 3 for AC Milan till Jesus comes.
U cannot compare Cannavaro to a legend like that. It's different from Etoo/Weah.[/quote]An european player can only win 2 awards. The WPOTY and EPOTY. only players from other continent can win more than 2

that's besides the point. let's make this clearly as it's obvious that you are unusually slow today

My stance is.

Etoo is better than Weah

Maldini and Baresi are [b]better [/b]than cannavaro (are we clear on that)

If you quite rightly agree that Maldini is better than Cannavaro despite the fact that Cannavaro is a former WPOTY and EPOTY

then why should your rather sentimental criteria of deciding the better player between etoo and weah, be based on WPOTY and EPOTY achievement

when the same logic does not apply to Maldini and cannavaro. I'm seriously lost.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=35696.msg6331251#msg6331251 date=1278270998]Consistency is bullshyte. . . . .
If i score 100% in a course once and you continued to score a range of 90% to 97% in the same course in 200 attempts.
My 100% still shytes on your zillion attempts - and that's the KEY.[/quote]According to your line of reasoning

Weah's WPOTY,EPOTY = 100% (A feat that has never been achieved by etoo)

Cannavaro=WPOTY+EPOTY=100% (A feat that hasn't been achieved by maldini and baresi)

therefore making weah better than etoo and cannavaro better than the latter two SMH

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=35696.msg6331251#msg6331251 date=1278270998]You are a tarado. . . . .How is Maldini/Baresi different to Cannavaro?
They both won world cups. . . .AC Milan are a better side than Juventus so Canna might be short on medals plus Maldini had an outstanding career by playing till age 40.
U gotta be daft to even start comparing the two. . . . . .Why not compare Bellamy to Ryan Giggs? Anuofia!!!![/quote]Are you seriously this daft, show me where I implied Cannavaro is on the same level as Maldini

Your post below is what I responded to . . . . I have simply used your logic against you . . . . i.e weah is not better than eto'o simply because he won WPOTY

If you still fail to see the connection then I cannot help you.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=35696.msg6331086#msg6331086 date=1278268431]Weah won all the relevant individual awards in 1995 - something no African player has achieved and you still insist Etoo is the best.[/quote]

Ranoscky:
^^^ Guy help me dey tell dem o!

@Jalether, stop insulting someone just b'cos that person disagree to your point of arguement. i gat many so many points to prove u wrong on your reply but since u'r that insulting type, i think i'd better forget about the arguement and think of something else instead of xchanging word of insult with u, but 1 thing i'll like u to know is that, so long as football is concern, pele is FAR better than maradona. thanx!

That's according to ranoscky.

Insult is a part and parcel of the sports thread, you shouldn't take it personal . . . . It's our way of saying get some perspective

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=35696.msg6331086#msg6331086 date=1278268431]Just like the way APOTY is filled with politics.
Okocha was a better player than Etoo in 2004 ANC but Issa Hayatou ensured Etoo copped the award.

Peter Crouch has a better goal ratio than Rooney for the 3 Lions.
Does that mean Crouch is better than Rooney?  Is Muller better than Fernando Torres?
Get some perspective, abeg.

Weah won all the relevant individual awards in 1995 - something no African player has achieved and you still insist Etoo is the best.
The 2 players should be compared on their personal best. . . . . .Weah's personal best versus Etoo's personal best.
Who is greater? Answer that question and get back to me.[/quote]According to your moronic sense of reasoning. Cannavaro is better than the greats. . . .  Maldini and Baresi, simply because he won the WPOTY.

a feat that has never been achieved by these two defenders. now who should get some perspective.

I admire consistency anyday, which is why I would gladly admit that I goofed regarding my stance on the Zidane vs Ronnaldinho debate.

Sagamite:
Sentiments?

Weah na my papa?  

WPOTY: Weah was winner, Etoo has never won.

WPOTY: Weah 2nd place, Etoo 3rd (I personally regard this as no difference even though Weah is higher)

EFoY: Weah was winner, Etoo has never won.

AFoY: Both have won it 3 times.

AFoY: Both will have been in top 5 on par times.

Truthfully, do you believe that the WPOTY award is flawless. case in point. Zidane winning it in 2003, cannavaro in 2006 and Lampard coming 2nd ahead

of sameul etoo in 2005.

Sagamite:
Goals record:

Weah scored 135 in 345 top flight [b]European league games. That is 1 goal in every 2.56 games.

Etoo scored 174 in 310 top flight [b]European league games. That is 1 goal in every 1.78 games.

Lets remember that Weah only hit Europe at the age of 27. Most of his youthful prime was in Africa due to circumstances back in the day. Yet he made WPOTY at the age of 34 as a STRIKER, not a defender. A striker has to run and be energetic. This guy showed he was the best at 34, imagine he had a chance to show it at 22.

End of discussion, no ingbati, gbati

And thanks for being as objective as possible, was nice having this debate with you

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=35696.msg6330978#msg6330978 date=1278266169]Stop arguing for the sake of it.
George Weah was a better striker than Etoo can ever be.
Swap Etoo for Weah in the Cameroon team between 1999 and 2010 and Weah woulda done more than Etoo did for his country.

Weah also played in Europe in the pre-Bosman era where few foreign players were tolerated in European teams.
U cannot use team achievement to judge the 2 players otherwise Hossam Hassan of Egypt is better than Shevchenko of Ukraine.[/quote]Why should I cut weah some slacks. etoo has a better club and country career, performance and achievement wise and I backed it up

with facts chikena. who gives a poo if he didn't have the opportunity of showcasing his talent on the international stage.

etoo's [b]club stats [/b]still shits on weah's anyway .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=35696.msg6330955#msg6330955 date=1278265748]Gary Neville too old sef. . . . .Try Wes Brown or John O'Shea!!!![/quote]let's see their stats now, na who dey hold una hands.

Sagamite:
^^^If I did one for Gary Neville, you go bow!

It is unfair to be highlighting his country achievement as it is a team effort. Weah was not blessed with playing for a top country.

Etoo is a fantastic player but inferior to Weah, slightly.

compare both players (etoo and weah) stats and let's see the winner. wetin you dey yarn na conjectures wey dey diluted with sentiment as far

as i'm concerned.

Eto o's HONOURS

Internationale
Serie A
Coppa Italia Champions
Supercoppa Italana Runner-up
UEFA Champions League

FC Barcelona
2008/09 Champions League
2008/09 Liga
2008/09 Copa del Rey
2006/07 Spanish Supercup
2005/06 Champions League
2005/06 Liga
2005/06 Spanish Supercup
2004/05 Liga

Real Madrid
1999/00 Champions League
1997/98 Intercontinental Cup

Real Mallorca
2002/03 Spanish Cup

Cameroon
2008 African Cup runners up
2003 Confederation Cup runners up
2002 African Cup of nations winner
2000 African Cup of nations winner
2000 Gold medal Sidney Olympics

Individual Awards
2005/06 Spanish League top goalscorer
2004/05 Third place FIFA WORLD PLAYER
2004/05 African Player of the Year
2003/04 African Player of the Year
2002/03 African Player of the Year

nuff said

Sagamite:
If you are going to apply a performance metric to such activities as football, it will be a multi-facet metric, not just singular. And then you apply weightings to each.

I would expect consistency (incl. length of excellence), optimal form, awards won, level played at and inspirational role in team to all apply for this metric.

I would expect consistency to pip optimal form in weightings marginally (think 35% to 30%).

That said, Weah will still win over Etoo OVERALL when all scores are added up.

How ? based on one exceptional season

samuel etoo has managed to remain highly relevant in european footie since 2000, 10 feaking years.

winning 3 uefa champions league and scoring in two of the 3 finals. I don't need to dig up his entire stats, do I

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=35696.msg6330705#msg6330705 date=1278261848]Be smart, don't be a retard.
I am just showing you consistency does not necessarily mean excellence.
A student that scores 30% 32% 31% and 29% is consistent but he's a failure!!!![/quote]George weah had a magnificent season in 1995 = 90% and that was it

Etoo on the otherhand has been the most consistent striker in the world since 2000 and consistency in this context represents exceptional standard

besides he was the 3rd best player in the world in 05/06 according to fifa. haba, he no easy

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362607.msg6330668#msg6330668 date=1278261260]So you are silly enough to believe Mikel Obi was 18 in 2005?
I don't think i should continue this verbal trade-offs with you then. . . . . .I have clearly overestimated your intelligence. [/quote]He is innocent until proven guilty as far as I'm concerned

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=35696.msg6330648#msg6330648 date=1278261082]I think you should be careful about the way you use the word "consistency"
One can be consistently poor or consistently average.

Student A

99%
91%
85%
72%

Student B

65%
67%
66%
68%

Student B is more consistent but student A is the better student.
Etoo has been among the best players in the last 5 years but there was never a time he was rated the best in Europe or the world at large.
Common sense suggests George Weah is the greatest cos he won the WPOTY + Ballon d'Or and African Player Of The Year in a single year.[/quote]Who decided the performance index you provided?.  you, fifa or footie fans,journalists and pundits all over the world.

Even my 6 year old nephew can manipulate and formulate statistics to favour his argument.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362607.msg6330602#msg6330602 date=1278260414]He was never on fire. . . . . . .He was just opportuned to play amongst younger footballers and he bamboozled em with his strength and reh reh.
As soon as he was promoted to the Super Eagles/ Senior team. . . . .His talents diminished.
How many goals do you think Heskey(if he lied about his age) would score in the U21 tourney? He would get 12 but he's still shyte.


He would never be that kinda player. . . . . . . .He looked good back then cos he's an age cheat like Osundo and Dimeji Lawal.[/quote]Show me the evidence that mikel falsified his age. only one word summarises the drivel you have up there "conjecture" nuff said