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dayokanu:
Why the last 2 yrs? Kaka is 28 they are 25 and 23.

Why not compare Ronaldo Lima to Rooney in the last 3 yrs to made a judgment on Ronaldos capabilities?

Are you actually this daft

Where in my post did I imply that kaka has ALWAYS [/b]been overrated. he was simply magnificent between 2005-07, no doubt.

The crux of the issue is, what has kaka done in the last two years to merit the hype sorrounding him? kaka is past his prime and

should never be regarded as a world class player anymore. [b]Many [/b]players have [b]outperformed [/b]kaka, based on the last 2 years, but guess what, he

still gets[b] more recognition and appraisal than them. he is living on past glory, simples.

if kaka is/was worth £50 million then Iniesta,Xavi,Fabregas,Sneijder, lampard et al should command £100 million on the transfer market.

dayokanu:
Where was kaka at the age of 22.

Kaka has at least 2 assist in this world cup? Tell us what Rooney has achieved in 2 world cups vs superpowers like Paraguay, Trinidad, Ecuador, Slovenia, Algeria and USA

C ororo was only able to score vs North Korea

Compare kaka's club performance and achievement to the listed players over the last 2 years.

Dr Kitaun:
Jalether

what did Figo do with Portugal ? George Weah with Liberia ?

Kaka is a consistent club and national team player, let Messi win something at senior team level b4 we get carried away with his club level exploits.

Atleast figo consistently performed well and won many trophies for his clubsides. what has kaka done in the last 2 years. zilch.

Kaka is thriving on reputation rather than actual performance on the pitch. In the last two years Messi, xavi,Iniesta,Fabregas, David Villa, Drogba

Rooney, Ronaldo et al have all outperformed the overrated kaka.

Garrincha and Ronaldo da lima in my opinion are better than Pele.

Ranoscky:
^^^U dey yan trash ma guy!  so also is your arguement flawed !!!

1) read what u said: "maradona and pele played different roles for both country and clubs"
interms of WORLD BEST PLAYERS, it's not judged by position, but your performance. have u forgotten that Canavaro won it (WBP) when he was at realmadrid with the likes of Ronaldo, Zidan etc, on the award list?

How is pele's overall performance better than maradona's?

Ranoscky:
2) read what u said: "A striker (pele) is expected to score more goals than a playmaker"
when Christiano Ronaldo (Play Maker) was stil at man u, did Rooney (striker) score more goals than him?

Your sense of reasoning is very moronic, because CR7 outscored Rooney means it's the norm for a playmaker to have better goal scoring record than

a striker. ofcourse there's always an exception to the norm and you cannot base your argument on one single "exception" as the word implies it's an

unpopular even that doesn't happen often, therefore isn't the NORM.

btw Rooney never played as a traditional striker at man utd until last season, he was more of a playmaker for man utd, if you watch the english premier

league, you ought to know that by now. don't be deceived by what the formation tells you, if you doubt this then ask any man utd fan on nairaland.

Ranoscky:
3) you said: "Pele was surrounded by other great players who were hugely instrumental to Brazil 's 3 world cup victories at the time."
Then, is Messi surpose to be called the WORLD BEST PLAYER judging by what u said? don't u know the big name stars surrounding him at barcelona also? or u want make i count/call dem 4 u?. . . Iniesta, Xavi, Ibramovich, puyol, pique,Henry etc.

Stop arguing for argument sake, because you do not have a point here. even a 5 year old knows that the quality of your team mates significantly affects

ones performance therefore giving pele an unfair advantage over maradona. you shut yourself in the foot by using messi as an example. messi would never

have scored so many goals as he did last season without the tantalizing assists from xavi and Iniesta. put messi in a team like malaga [/b]and let's see

how he fares. this is common sense my friend. perhaps if that happens then you would appreciate maradona's achievement better. the only thing messi

example did was strengthen my argument that quality of team mates does indeed improve a players performance.  [b] despite all the odds

stacked against him he (maradona) still managed to produce excellent performances throughout his career. now that's special.

Ranoscky:
4) you said: "the same cannot be said of maradona who never had that luxury. He was clearly the only exceptional player in that 1986 winning team"
Nigeria won olympic '96 that includes countries like brazil, Argentina, mexico etc. Name 1 exceptional player in Nigeria then, that the world can marge with Ronaldo, bebeto etc?

5) you said: "Brazil and pele are expected to win more trophies than Argentina and Maradona. Taking nothing away from pele but him copping more WC trophies than Maradona owes to the collective team effort rather than his individual brilliance."
Then why are u now talking about maradona being the exceptional player that won the '86 W.C when u know that it's the effort of the whole team?. . A tree cannot make a forest, guy wake up from your slumber. quit dreaming!

Ok, let's make it this way:  Everybody knows Morinho as a (WCC) world class coach, why? his record say's it all!.
Realmadrid is known as the best club in the world of football, why? it's record say's it all!
Hodgson was awarded manager of the year, why? he led lowly rated Fulham to European cup final. it's also a record.


U and i need a good coach to handle the super eagles. and almost everybody is calling for sia sia. why? his record a 9ja coach.
George weah of liberia was once a FIFA (WBP) why? his record say's it all!. .Then what is a GREAT player all about?
The record of pele and maradona is there for me, u and others to see. so why all this blind arguement?
Don't xpect anymore post from me again pataining Dis blind arguement b'cos, it's a waste of time. thanx!

Footie analyst all over the world that has better understanding about the dynamics and fundamentals of football than you regarded maradona (1986) and

Garrincha (1962) as the only two players to have singlehandedly won the world cup, LITERALLY. the word singlehandely in the context indicates a performance

of outstanding quality.  it doesn't necessarily dismiss the collective contributions of the team. why isn't such an accolade attributed to pele ?

Maradona's outstanding performance doesn't stop there. He also inspired a mid table team (Napoli) to win the serie A title at the time when it was considered

as the best football league in the world. beating the likes of AC milan,Juventus,Inter,Roma,Lazio to the title. that is the pinnacle of exceptional achievement

Nwankwo Kanu - 48 (profile says 34)

Taribo West - 47 (profile says 36)

Ayila Yusuf - 34 (profile says 25)

John Mikel Obi - 27 (profile says 23)

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Stanley Okoro - 32 (profile says 16)

Dr Kitaun:
Personal opinion. Kaka is still Kaka . . .he outlived Dinho, he looks 2 me like a Zidane kind of player that would rule again in a couple of yrs then have a zenith swansong around 2016 . . .my bet !

I LOVE JESUS !

What has kaka inspired his club to win in the last 3 seasons?.

apart from the confed cup, what else has he won for brazil as a key player. key not fringe. I struggle to see how kaka is a better player than messi

based on personal and team achivement over the last 2/3 seasons. even if we throw statistics out of the window, millions of fans who believe that messi

is the best player in the world are certainly not all blind. the difference is so clear that it's scary.

Ranoscky:
Sometimes i wonder wetin dey worry some peeps for head.  ok, now make we surve the problem like this:

A said: bring Amodu to coach super eagles
B replied: NO! no bring'am O, the guy no good jor
A said: why? atleast 'em dey try na.
B replied: try wetin? wetin 'em don win since wey 'em dey coach?
A said: E no mean na, but atleast, 'em pattern of football dey ok.
B replied: NO! we no want! we need coach wey get good record.

And now in modern football, wetin we take dey know good players/coach na dia record abi?
Then make una xplain to me very well how maradona take better pass pele for football history?
some said he single-handedly won the '86 W.C - SINGLE HANDEDLY? . . .na only him play the match?
some said he gat great skills - Na skills dem dey take win best player? if so, during okocha time who pass am 4 africa?
Can u imagine 1000something goals in 1000something games, 3W.C and other trophy's what do u want again?
Omo mehn, make we bone MATTER FOR AGHATTA. Pele is far better than maradona period!

Your argument is flawed on so many level, it's unbelievable.

first of all, maradona and pele played different roles for both country and clubs. the former a playmaker [/b]and the latter a [b]striker

their primary responsibility and role on the pitch differs significantly, I don't need to go into details over that.

A striker (pele) is expected to score more goals than a playmaker (maradona) that coupled with other factor(s) is a valid explanation

for pele having better goal scoring record than maradona. doesn't take an Albert Einstein to figure out. It would not be natural for Xavi/Iniesta to

outscore david Villa, would it?.


secondly. Pele was surrounded by other great players who were hugely instrumental to Brazil 's 3 world cup victories at the time.

the same cannot be said of maradona who never had that luxury. He was clearly the only exceptional player in that 1986 winning team, unless you consider

burruchaga a great player on the same level as garrincha, Zico, jairzinho et al. as a result of quality differentiation between the two teams, logic tells us that

Brazil and pele are expected to win more trophies than Argentina and Maradona. Taking nothing away from pele but him copping more WC trophies than

Maradona owes to the collective team effort rather than his individual brilliance.

Kaka better than messi? very laughable.

since number of goals scored is the only parameter people are using to judge messi, how many goals has kaka scored in this tourney.

^^^^^^

jalether:
To be fair. messi isn't much of a big game player himself and that's one of the many reasons why all the retarded analyst that

dared comparing him to the god of football (maradona) deserves to be sentenced to 10 years in Bang Kwang Prison in Thailand. blasphemy

haven't said that, he still makes more impact in big games than Crynaldo.

AjanleKoko:
^^
Ronaldo can't score against any team with at least one Barca player. LOL. Check it out, CIV, Brazil, and now Spain.

Messi have been creating goals.And his team have been winning all their games. Ronaldo can't even get his team to beat any team that . . . wait for it
. . . has at least one Barca player!

To be fair. messi isn't much of a big game player himself and that's one of the many reasons why all the retarded analyst that

dared comparing him to the god of football (maradona) deserves to be sentenced to 10 years in Bang Kwang Prison in Thailand. blasphemy

haven't said that, he still makes more impact in big games than Crynaldo.

Fifa should introduce far tougher penalty to reduce diving in footie.

Capdevilla. this is ridiculous. what a bleeding dive

At this time, no human being with a perfectly functioning brain cells can dispute the fact that villa is the worlds best striker. bar none

What an effort by ramos

Ronaldo fades in big games. it has been proven time and time again.

Villa goal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Casillas form has dwindled considerably, very sloppy goalkeeping

This is some joga bonito stuff

Fabiano what a build up play

Juan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I predicted one of Higuain,messi or villa to emerge as highest goal scorer before the torny. so far so good. messi has to step it up big time

dayokanu:
Muller ra-pes the Queen!!!!!

Germany rap-es Cameron

Now was Beckenbauer wrong afterall?

Flair can win you high profile games afterall. experience and git are overrated sometimes. england are known to have the latter in abundance and what

happened. they lost with all their grit

This games just confirms my point that genuine qaulity and team cohesion is more crucial in high profile footie than experience

experience is way overrated

I said it before and I will say it again. England is the most overrated team ever. and that is a factual statement

Humility is a dish best served for the arrogant english players, fans and media

This is the pinnacle of quality footie the germans are displaying

ibkaye:
ouccccchhhhhh, my heart skipped

Drink red wine , pele

C-A footie at its best. this is what counter attack is all about.

Muller gggggggggggggooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SEE THRASHING. bechkam is about to cry hehe

Muller goal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Counter extraodinaire

Ozil is the most intelligent player on that pitch. his footie iq is peerless