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tctrills:
You are still confused. You claim that Greek monogenes meaning ONLY BORN / ONLY BEGOTTEN. Then you again claim that Adam was a begotten son.
Your second claim
i]Greek gennao meaning beget,begotten, born, give birth,MAKE,produce,
IS DIFFERENT from
Greek monogenes meaning ONLY BORN / ONLY BEGOTTEN.
Here, you are saying that begotten is different from only begotten and in a sense, you are correct. But you can't have more than one begotten and still have an only begotten at the same time or in your Greek terms,
You can't have a gennao and a monogenes at the same time. That makes no sense or can you make it make sense?

MaxInDHouse:
Churchian interpretation!🙂

blueAgent:
Yet to prove anything, why Jesus is denoted with capital G,in that verse.

MaxInDHouse:
There is nothing literal in this all sons of God owe their life to God and Jesus isn't different!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Abeg wetin bring DOGHEAD into the matter now?😟

blueAgent:
That's the risk he took because of his love for man.
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

That's why it cost God so much to let Jesus take that Risk or chance, just to save me and you, and the entire humanity.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

blueAgent:
Colossians 2:9 is one of the clearest statements of the deity of Christ anywhere in the Bible: “In him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” The word for “Godhead” here is theotés. According to this verse, Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. He embodies all (“the fulness”) of God (translated “the Deity” in the NIV). This truth aligns perfectly with Colossians 1:19, “God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Christ].”

blueAgent:
Because the Godhead dwells bodily in Christ, Jesus could rightly claim that He and the Father are “one” (John 10:30). Because the fullness of God’s divine essence is present in the Son of God, Jesus could say to Philip, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9).

tctrills:
Oga but this is rubbish even for your level.
How can Begotten is different from ONLY Begotten?
Only begotten means you have just one begotten. Stop confusing yourself. If Adam was a begotten son of God, then Jesus Christ is not the only Begotten. It means God had 2 or more Begotten hence He can't have an only begotten.

FxMasterz:
So, you even changed to word 'begotten' to created. So, when you begat your children, you actually created them. And, your firstborn is actually the child you created yourself while your other children were created by other men. Isn't it?

tctrills:
Are you confusing yourself?
According to you and I agree, The Greek word monogenes means ONLY BORN (begotten).
So even you agree that your begotten child na the pikin wey you borm.
Now probing further, you went on to state that only your first born is your begotten the rest of your kids are not begotten by you. To me, that only tells us the character of your wife.
Do you understand now?

blueAgent:
What has Matthew 27:46,50, got to prove about Jesus been Immortal.

Are you mistaken the pre- incarnate Jesus with the Incarnate Jesus(Man)?

Of course Matthew 27:46,50 is talking about Jesus's death as a man here on Earth.

Jesus was 100% Man here on earth, but he still remained the Son of God.

The pre-incarnate Jesus is divine,immortal and can never see death.

blueAgent:
Where did I state that john6:46 and 1Tim6:16 refers to Jesus?

You can see from those verses that only GOD has Immortality, No Angel or Man has Immortality.

Jesus been the Literal offspring and only begotten of GOD has Immortality inherently, having inherited it from his father, GOD.

tctrills:
You are right, a begotten child is one you gave birth to not one you adopted. A begotten child comes directly from you. So according to you, only your first child is begotten and the rest of your kids are b*st*rds? That's an insane take.

Chibuezem:
Okay that's for human
For God it's simply Trinity

No Sir.
1 Corinthians 11:3

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blueAgent:
That's as a man,( incarnate)his life depended on God.

But as the Son of God(pre-incarnate), he had life inherently.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

That is why he was the most qualified to redeem man.
John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
He is called eternal life for a reason.

1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

No Angel have life in himself.

blueAgent:
Which dictionary, the one you wrote ?

https://www.google.com/search?q=divine+meaning&client=ms-opera-mini-android&channel=new&sei=ELcQabyZN8nU1sQPuZfp-Aw#ebo=0


Check the meaning of the opposite of divine, which is mortal.

Angels are not immortal an like man, their lives depend on God.

Only GOD and Jesus have Immortality inherently.

MaxInDHouse:
It's not by force jàre so if anyone said he doesn't understand it's because such a person hasn't studied the Bible with us so we don't impose it on anyone what we believe is if you know otherwise then go out there and make disciples who will also become preachers in their neighborhood at least we all know that any religion that's unable to make such disciples is not doing what Jesus commanded! Matthew 28:19-20🙂

FxMasterz:
In a nutshell, your doctrine of Jesus being a created being is a formulated one. It has no single support in scripture.

martinskelly:
Bro I only wrote what I wrote for my own clearity sake, if your own bible is telling you that Jesus is an angel that's fine with you okay! I believe what i choose to believe. My own bible did not tell me that Jesus the only begotten son of God is an ordinary Angel but all I can say to you is that Jesus Christ has all the attributes of an angel but all other Angels don't have the attributes of Jesus.

Even if you quote or mention me, I am not going to say anything other than what I have just stated above.

tctrills:
If your first child is the only one begotten by you and the rest of your kids are not then your faithful wife has some questions to answer.

FxMasterz:
I am a son of God too, and I am also a star. Okay?

The Only Begotten Son does not mean firstborn,
and that your heretic mind knows that clearly! He is the only One that was begotten.

Please answer fast and quick: Are the angels begotten? Apart from Jesus who is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, is there any other begotten son? Other sons may not be firstborns but they could be begotten, isn't it?

MaxInDHouse:
Son shows this person is one of the children and morning star means Son of God so if only begotten or bright is the remaining issue no wahala.

You can start you long epistle on that but at least we have we basic knowledge of son and morning star in the Bible! Job 38:7😂

FxMasterz:
Can you show me where it is recorded in Scriptures that the Bright and Morning Star means first born?

FxMasterz:
Can you show me any dictionary in which Only Begotten Son means first born?

Oga, study your Bible.
ignorance no good.


Firstborn is Greek monogenes which means "ONLY BORN." Screenshot evidence.
An Only born (begotten) son/child is the firstborn.

Oga,@ Hebrew 11:17-19, is Isaac the first born of Abraham & Sarah his wife?
Isaac is Abraham's only born (begotten) son from Sarah (Genesis 18:14).
Yes.

Jesus is his Father's only born (begotten) son.
Jehovah's first born is Jesus Christ.
Take note of the word BORN, Jesus is a creature of his Father, Yahweh.

martinskelly:
Gentlemen, All I can deduce from all of this whole Epistles, narrations, illustrations and teaching is that some christians are self-centered/baised.
We all choose what suits us and ignore the prominent ones.
Humans will always be humans as long as you were born by an earthly parents, Angels will always be Angels of God because God himself created them and wanted them above humans, but calling Jesus Christ an angel as the same as all other Angels God created in heaven is what I don't really understand; Even the Bible explicitly stated otherwise. Please John 3:16 is enough to clear this Angels and Jesus argument you all are throwing up in this thread.

Please kindly preach the word of God to unbelievers and leave the rest to God instead of arguing what is already stated in the Bible.

Lest I forget: INDOCTRINATION is the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.


My 2cents.

Chibuezem:
I love how you call me oga
E dey bust my brain

Chibuezem:
They are one

livingchrist:
If you refuse to believe in Jesus as the God-man, as your saviour then you die in your sin. It is your loss not mine or God.

blueAgent:
Your usual Crafty pattern of dodging the truth.

Why not explain to me, why Jesus have the fullness of the Godhead dwelling in him?


Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Yahweh gave Jesus the fullness of divine nature,which Yahweh gave believers too.
John 17:22-24
The glory you gave to me I have given to them, that they may be one just as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—that they may be completely one,
so that the world will know that you sent me, and you have loved them just as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am,[bl] so that they can see my glory that you gave me


The fullness of divine nature was given to believers ,@2 Peter 1:4 & Ephesians 3:19.
@John 17:22-24, Jesus have settled the matter.


Ignorance is not an excuse.
Oga, you have to unlearn & relearn.

blueAgent:
Did the Bible say Adam and Angels have the divinity or fullness of the Godhead dwelling in them?

blueAgent:
Wheather Godhead or divinity those verses proved that Jesus has the nature of God, and hence God's literal son.