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MaxInDHouse:
He is using another account to attack as he doesn't know what to do with all the evidences presented in the scriptures!

DiarisGodoo:
Oh wise one, so the number of those people was exactly 144,000? Many of them didn't even understand Christianity and later left. Also, the statement was "we who are alive". Which means people alive whenever Christ comes - because he didn't come during Paul's time. Wise one, with all due respect, you are talking total and complete nonsense

Emusan:
So it have been shifted to who is speaking not what was recorded as GOD'S WORD.

You read my post in a very simple sentence.

Jesus is the FIRSTBORN in a sense that He is PREEMINENCE.

Emusan:
The same word was used as Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of those who rose up in death.

I didn't see any of you interpret this as Jesus is the FIRST TO BE BORN FROM DEATH.
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In your Bible,did Yahweh resurrect at anytime?
Defintely NOT !
Yahweh can NOT die let alone resurrect, Psalms 93:2, Psalms 93:2.
Therefore,Only Yahweh's creatures die & be resurrected.
Jesus is a creature.
Simple.

Emusan:
This was only applied to Jesus during His earthly mission.



Firstborn is different from first created meanwhile a very honest and open minded person will know when Jesus was said to be the FIRSTBORN it was about PREEMINENCE
because the same Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of those who rose from death.

Read that Col 1:15-18 slowly and see Jesus as the Creator.

Emusan:


He can't answer simple question.

You agreed that Jesus was used to create the Universe.

Where did Jesus reside if Jesus was created before Universe?

Emusan:
Yes! Universe is the beginning of the creation by God.

If Jesus was created before Universe, where did Jesus reside?

Michaelajah:
he is still the Lord over what you may believe in, except you don't believe in anything at all and that's dangerous.

Ken4Christ:
Revelation 19:20 & 20:10 is an information. It doesn't require any interpretation. The information points to one fact: those thrown into the Lake of fire will never be annihilated. They are there tormented day and night. But, you reject this information and lie to people. .Your punishment will be worse than that of the devil.

Emusan:


He can't answer the simple question.

Okay, let me rephrase the question.

Are the disciples EXIST before the Universe was created?

Emusan:
It means both ARE ONE and separable.

Jesus is not the Father.

Creation has ONLY ONE SOURCE and it's from The Father, Jesus & The Holy Spirit because they all caused the creation to happen and ALL ARE OUTSIDE OF CREATION.

These are well spelled out in the scripture.

Do you need Bible study on that?

Ken4Christ:
You shot yourself at your foot. The quotation you cited says Jesus used it to represent the place of eternal destruction. It means that you agree it was used figuratively. Use your brain. Hell is real. It’s a place where the fire is never quenched. There's no fire presently burning in the physical Gehenna. But hell is still burning with fire until the day it will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. And those in it will experience greater torment.

Pastor ,did Jesus teach you that anyone was tormented in Gehenna?

How can you claim that eternal destruction means torment?


Oga, Jesus said Gehenna is not a place of torment.
Your hellfire is a place of torment.

Oga, know the difference.
Stop deceiving yourself.

Ken4Christ:
Why are you avoiding Revelation 19:20 and Revelation 20:10?

Read it with honest heart and tell me the beast and the false prophet disappeared after they were cast in- Revelation 19:20.

Revelation 20:10 which happened after 1,000 years of Jesus reign on earth acknowledged that the beast and the false prophet are still there. Satan himself joined them. And the scripture says:

"...and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."(Revelation 20:10).

Denying this plane truth and many others is one of the reasons I call you an Antichrist. You oppose every truth of God’s Word with your lies. You reject God’s Word to establish your lies.

Don't deviate from these scriptures. Tell me Revelation 19:20 and Revelation 20:10 did not mean what it says.

Pastor,You want to deflect the fact that you were LYING that ANNIHILATION is not destruction @ 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9.


Pastor, why are you avoiding Revelation 9:4-5 & Matthew 18:34?

You don't know the actual meaning of Revelation 20:10 & 19:20.
The same Greek word 930/931 you think supports your claim was used @ Matt 18:34 & Revelation 9:4-5,which infact debunks your claim.

dandadee:
A wicked generation is doubting the existence of Hell.
They think they won't account for their evil deeds while on earth (Created by God).
They even doubt that God created Man.
Yet they have no scientific proof to dismiss the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
No proof to dismiss Noah's flood.
They demand justice against murderers and thieves..
Yet, they think God will not demand judgment for their deeds.
God created you. He does not need your permission or belief of Him to judge you.
When your life is over, your cross over to the other side and give account.

Chilipepper:
After spending 37million on his wedding, my friend's wife quit the marriage of 2weeks

jesusjnr2020:
Proof Hell Fire Wasn't Made For Humans

Some often ask why would a loving God prepare or make a place of torment called hell fire to burn the same humans He claims to love for all eternity?

The truth is that God never made hell fire to punish humans eternally for their sins, and this can be proven by the particular saying of Jesus:

Matthew 25:41 (KJV)

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Therefore the question itself is not only based on a false premise but also illinformed, as hell fire was never made for humans in the first place, but a place prepared for the devil and his angels who were cast out of heaven.

God bless.

Ken4Christ:
If you don't know that Jesus is God, then your state is worse than unbelief.

1.He said he is Alpha and Omega. What does that mean to you.

2. He is the I Am.

,3.He is the resurrection and the life.

4.He is the image of the invisible God

5. He is God (the Word) made flesh.

And too many more scripture evidence that points to the divinity of Jesus. May God open your eyes.

Ken4Christ:
Jesus wasn't referring to the physical Gehenna because it was no longer used to burn children at the time Jesus mentioned it. It was used figuratively.

The Gehenna in Jerusalem couldn't fit into the description because Jesus said that the fire is not quenched. But there was no fire in Gehenna at the time Jesus made this statement.

He also said that the worms don't die. There's no physical place on earth were worms don't die. So, you should have a common sense that Jesus wasn't referring to the physical Gehenna.

Emusan:
The Father is also THE SOURCE.

Is there anything the Father has that Jesus doesn't have?

Ken4Christ:
Did you read English in school? I don't think so. There is nothing like annihilation. The beast and the fake prophet thrown into the Lake of fire in Revelation 19:20 are still acknowledged to be there after 1,000 years of Jesus reign in Revelation 20:10. Satan will join them after 1,000 years. They will not be annihilated.

You will still prefer to hold on to your lies in spite of evidence against it. Your punishment will be worse.

Ken4Christ:
Ken4Christ:
6. 2 Thessalonians 1:8–9

“In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God... [i]Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction [/i]from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.”
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Explanation:
Everlasting destruction doesn’t mean annihilation, but a continuous state of ruin [/b]and separation from God’s presence.
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Emusan:
You haven't answered my question.

Where are the disciples SHARED GLORY with God before the World began?

Very simple question.

If you edit John 17:22,24 in your own Bible,just put the answer you want there.


Right now John 17:22,24 has fulfilled.

Ken4Christ:
Here are clear and comprehensive Bible passages (KJV) that show that the torment in hell is eternal (forever and ever) — not temporary or symbolic:


5. Matthew 18:8

“Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.”

Explanation:
Jesus calls it everlasting fire — the same phrase used to describe the fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41).

Ken4Christ:
6. 2 Thessalonians 1:8–9

“In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God... Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.”

Explanation:
Everlasting destruction doesn’t mean annihilation, but a continuous state of ruin [/b]and separation from God’s presence.

Ken4Christ:
7. Jude 7

“Even as Sodom and Gomorrha... are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

Explanation:
Though the cities were destroyed, their judgment serves as a symbol of the eternal nature of divine punishment — the fire of God’s wrath never ends.

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You can't be using Old Testament references to buttress your point when greater light has been revealed in the New Testament.

Ken4Christ:
Here are clear and comprehensive Bible passages (KJV) that show that the torment in hell is eternal (forever and ever) — not temporary or symbolic:

1. Matthew 25:46

“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

Explanation:
The same word everlasting (Greek: aionios) is used for both punishment and life. If eternal life is forever, then eternal punishment must also be forever.

Ken4Christ:
2. Mark 9:43–48

“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”

Explanation:
Jesus repeatedly emphasized that the fire of hell will never go out and the torment will never end. The phrase “their worm dieth not” signifies continual decay and pain without relief.

Emusan:
So in a nutshell Jesus is the SOURCE OF ALL CREATIONS according to Rev 3:14.

Do you agree?

Emusan:
The challenge is which word translated as 'BEGINNING'?

Then provide the screenshot from Biblehub for the meaning of Arché.

Don't have high BP yet.

Just provide the screenshot and let's see if Arché means ORIGIN/RULER

You can keep running from pillar to post.

Ken4Christ:
One of the lies Rutherford and Russell planted in your heart. You are under the grip of their false teachings. You believe what they say more than what the scripture clearly teaches.

Emusan:
Every word had its root.

ORIGINATOR is from the word ORIGIN.

Proof me wrong first.

See what you AI says about the root of ORIGINATOR.

You must be hard with Bible truth.

Emusan:
I'll only stop deceiving myself if you have the mind to provide the screenshot from Biblehub.

You can't run away from your hypocrisy.

Just provide the screenshot from Biblehub the meaning of Arché.

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Emusan:
See how you just exposed your lying mouth once and for all.

Now, ORIGIN also means SOURCE (remember you first denied this) whick is my point.

Rev 3:14 proves that Jesus is the SOURCE of ALL CREATION not the first to be created.

More screenshot is needed let's go..

Oga Geologist, Is the source of every river created?
Are rivers part of creation?
Oga, you are deceiving yourself

Screenshot evidence /dictionary.
"Definition of origin
1
as in source
a point or place at which something is invented..

Synonyms of origin - Source, ancestry, cradle, beginning etc."

Emusan:
If Arché which some translations translated as BEGINNING also means ORIGIN/RULER then it means the writer of Rev 3:14 doesn't have in mind that Jesus was THE FIRST CREATED BEING the phrase you can never find anywhere in the Holy scripture.

Emusan:
Definitely, it's the liar like you that ascribes that false interpretation to that verse.

Everyone knows what ORIGIN means and that the word ORIGINATOR found its root from the word ORIGIN.

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Emusan:
You're the one deceiving yourself.

Arché means ORIGIN.

First tell me I'm lying first.
But origin isn't synonym of SOURCES

Can you hear that.

Who is deceiving you?

Why your screenshot didn't come from Biblehub?

because you know your lying mouth will be exposed.

Emusan:
Can you hear talk.

Ashamed ke..

Just show me where the disciples SHARE GLORY WITH GOD before the World began.

Emusan:
Can you hear talk.

Ashamed ke..

Just show me where the disciples SHARE GLORY WITH GOD before the World began.