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tctrills:
MaxInDHouse: This is your confused boy again, teaching that Adam is a begotten son of God and at the same time, , Jesus Christ is only the begotten son of God.
At least we can both agree that the boy needs help.

tctrills:
That was not your argument. You claimed only firstborns are begotten, but now I see that doctrine is bringing you shame.

tctrills:
They believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten and somehow, Adam is the only begotten.
Even for a 5 years old kid, this is dumb. I wonder how I will explain this toy kids to if I was one of them.;

tctrills:
That was not your argument. You claimed only firstborns are begotten, but now I see that doctrine is bringing you shame.

Emusan:
Even when @Tctrills called your attention about @color-red one will think you'll back down but only for you to continue in the same gymnastic.

If Jesus is his Father's ONLY begotten, how come there are other people BEGOTTEN of the same Father?

It's like saying I'm the ONLY child my parents given birth to but my parents still gave birth to many children.

How does that sound?

blueAgent:
Keep fooling yourself.

Someone that does not know the meaning of Meterphors in Engllish wants me to take him serious.

Living thing beget mountains and Dew
Dey play

While not start with English class before jumping into Bible class

blueAgent:
You see how you expose yourself?

The screenshot you uploaded clearly defined beget as to bear, give birth,conceive, born.

Which is consistent with all the bible verses that have beget.

Only in the case of Jesus, JW twist it to mean created.

blueAgent:
You keep missing the logic either deliberately due to your crafty ways or you sincerely do not see the illogic in your argument.

Nowhere been a mans literal Son equates to been equal in authority or power to the man.
You are the one forging all this lies.
Even Jesus never claimed been equal with the father in terms of power and authority.

No where did i say that been the express image of my father means am my father or am equal to him.

Even identical twins are different people with different personality.
How much more father and son.

What john 14:7 is saying is that Jesus looks exactly like the father,ones you see Jesus you have seen the father.
Proving that Jesus is the literal son of God.

I can never be equal with my father.
Does that mean am not my fathers biological or literal son?

There is an adage that says no matter how old a man is, he is still a child to his parents.

tctrills:
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So if everyone is begotten, how is Jesus Christ the only Begotten?
Oga stp confusing yourself.$

Tctrills,why are you expressing your unbelief & denial of John 3:16,Psalm 2:7 & Hebrew 5:5 in your own bible?
Tctrills,which verse in your own Bible says that God Yahweh is begotten or only begotten?
E no dey at all.

Every being is begotten creature (Fathered) by God.

Your own Bible says that Jesus is begotten & also only begotten.

This is the irresistible evidence in your bible that Jesus is a creature.

tctrills:
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Come oh, this boy are you confused?

tctrills:
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You are yet to make sense. Adam came first before Solomon but the bible says both are sons of God so what exactly is your point?
Who is a begotten son?
Is it your first born or are all your children begotten?
Please explain.
Ok Hebrew 5:5, who created Adam? So if there are 2 begotten, how do you claim Jesus is the only begotten. Are you confused?
Please don't be double minded. It's either Jesus Christ is the only begotten or both He and Adam are begotten. Please choose one.
Again are all spirits begotten of God?
Ephesians 4:6, You again say that God is the Father of ALL by creation. So again you imply that all creatures are begotten of God, are you confused.

In one paragraph you say,
Hebrew 5:5 ,God begotten Jesus means that God Fathered Jesus his son by creation
And in another paragraph you say,
Ephesians 4:6 Jehovah God is the Father of ALL by creation.

So according to you, all creatures are begotten children of God and Jesus Christ is the only begotten son at the same time?

Oga even if it is your pastor teaching you this nonsense, it's ok for you to tell him to go to hell.
This is the most unintelligent doctrine you guys have ever taught.

Every comment you made up there disagrees with your bible.
@ Hebrew 5:5 Jesus is begotten (Fathered) by God".
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You saw "I have begotten you"/ I have Fathered you" @ Psalms 2:7 & Hebrew 5:5, but you are giving excuses & WAILING upandan.

@ John 3:16, Jesus is his Father's only Begotten.
You don't want to admit your Bible is correct that Jesus is "begotten" and also "only begotten".
Oga,you are claiming that John 3:16 & Hebrew 5:5 is "nonsense" to you.
Tctrills,pls provide evidence you that you removed John 3:16 & Hebrew 5:5 from your Bible.

blueAgent:
As usual you are dodging the question.

You have boxed yourself into a corner.
You can see God is greater and smart than you false teachers.

I ask, how does God been greater than Jesus mean that,Jesus is not his literal Son, [/b]afterall we give birth to our sons, who are younger and less experienced than us.


John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
So answer me.

blueAgent:
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Abeg try to dey fear GOD small

blueAgent:
Crap.

Where in the Bible is it written that God beget Adam.

The same GOD that said he has never begotten any Angel/ Man or called anyone else his son except Jesus?

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Abeg try to dey fear GOD small

Psalm 2:7, God begotten ( the Father of) David & Solomon (son of God).

God begotten (the Father of) Adam (son of God).
God begotten (the Father of) Jesus Christ. (Son of God).
God begotten (the Father of ) Adam (son of God).
God begotten Israel.
God begotten (the Father of) ALL.

Begotten meaning "the Father of/Father/ became Father".
The screenshot is self explanatory.
Every begoted/ begotten being is a creature.
God is our Father /the Father of Jesus by creation.
This is the truth that most persons feel uncomfortable about on this thread.

This is not rocket science nau.

blueAgent:
See how you confuse yourself.

Jesus never claimed equality to GOD.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


He only acknowledged the fact that he is the literal Son of GOD and hence has the same nature and divinity of GOD.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Oga, how does you being an express image of your Father mean that you are your Father, the claim you are making about John 14:7?

Oga, stop deceiving yourself about John 14:7.
@ Matt 11:27, Jesus said the disciples seen the Father because Jesus revealed God the Father to them by speaking the words, messages of John 14:24 the Father sent him to show them @ John 14:7.

Have you forgotten John 1:18 & John 5:37 that Jesus taught the disciples?
No man has seen God at anytime
None of them has seen God's form and none of them heard God's voice.

blueAgent:
The same Jews that Understood Jesus, meant he was the literal Son of God, and wanted to stone him? :oJohn 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 10:30 I and my Father are one. 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Oga,your claim very faulty.

The Jews claim @ John 5:18 " Calling God his own Father (his own Senior) making himself equal to God."
pulled the rug out of the capital 'G' @ John 10:33.
His Jewish accusers claimed that God is Jesus own Father (Senior,Elder) , therefore, equality doesn't exist.

@ John 19:7 & Matthew 26:63-65, is incontrovertible evidence that John 10:33 is "a god" .
The Jews accused Jesus that he " is the son of God".


As a result, Jesus referenced Psalms 82:6 (@ John 10:34-36) to prove that he didn't break any law because the Jews believed in Psalms 82:6.

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tctrills:
Solomon was also a Son of God , Is he also a begotten son?
The bible never called Adam a begotten son. Please take it easy with the guesswork.
Hope you know that there is a curse on anyone who adds to the word of God. The bible calls Adam a son not a begotten son.

blueAgent:
More lies as usual.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/tools/interlinear/mgnt/jhn/10/33/


It's obvious that the Jews wanted to stone Jesus because he said he was one with God.

If Jesus had claimed to be a god, they would not have stoned him.

Keep fooling yourself.

Oga,you want to deceive yourself.
Besides, no evidence that you know Greek more than Greek scholars,Briggs,Thayer & Strong's whose works are well known in that body of knowledge.

Most Trinitarians even acknowledge that "a god" is the correct translation of John 10:33.
Screenshot evidence.


Jesus said he is a god because he is the son of God,@ John 10:34-36.
@ John 5:18,The Jews said Jesus "called God his Father.(Senior)."
That can not make Jesus equal to God his Senior (Father).
This Jewish people know Psalms 82:6 rendition.
@ Psalms 82:6, the sons (called " gods" know that God is their Father.

blueAgent:
How does that change the fact that Jesus is God's literal Son?

B/4 Is Jesus suppose to Lord his father?

blueAgent:
And the mountains and Dew of Heaven have the express image,Form and Nature of GOD?

blueAgent:
Keep fooling yourself.

Even a primary school child knows that job38vs1:29 and Psalms 90:2 are metaphors and should not be taken literally.

blueAgent:
See how you contradict yourself?

Show us bible verse that says Adam was begotten by God

blueAgent:
That's foolish reasoning.
So you are inferior to your Daddy?

Are you less human than your father?
If the answer is No, than Jesus is not less GOD than his father.

tctrills:
But the problem here is that you are claiming that Adam is a begotten son and at the same time, Jesus is the only begotten Son.

Please make it make sense my dear.

tctrills:
Luke 7:12 Now when he came nigh to the gate of the city, behold, there was a dead man carried out, the only son of his mother, and she was a widow: and much people of the city was with her.

How does this verse connect with the discussion please?
It you are confused, take some time to relax instead of pointing to verses that have nothing to do with the topic.
The widow above had only one child.


Please make it make sense my dear.

tctrills:
Hebrew 1.5 Hebrew 5.5 and John 3.16 never said Jesus was only begotten because He is the firstborn. That is your own false believe..

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Chibuezem:
okay
Do you believe in Jesus Christ?

MaxInDHouse:
He has ran away from me for over four years but now decided to come back as if he just got the liver to used scriptures!🙂

This guy ,his previous posts few years ago,he was against the Trinity.

Who knows if he's opened an "office" for prayers & counselling.

blueAgent:
Keep deceiving yourself.

Why is it not convenient for you to accept other Bible verses that talks about the Diety of Jesus, why accepting only the verse that claims all sons of God?

What are you running from?

blueAgent:
Don't you owe your name to your father, does that mean you are not his literal or biological son ?