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QuinQ:
How many times have I told them - you take everything TOGETHER, not ISOLATE verses here and there!
If someone tells you that once you see him you've seen John, and that he and John are one and the same, then someone calls him John, you don't say it was just an exclamation!
Jesus Himself claimed to be God, add to that, OT said God was coming to visit us, add to that, Jews tried to stone Him for claiming to be God

You see the screenshot evidence of your fellow Trinitarians on this Nairaland?
Dey there dey deceive yourself.

QuinQ:
I am saying that even Catholics (whom people say don't closely follow the Bible) are better than JW because they are not a CULT - and that trumps everything else. Just ask this guy below if he'd not have been better off being a Catholic.

Emusan:
And everyone who learns from me always got baptized in the NAME of The Father, and of The Son and of The Holy Spirit because that is what our Master instructed us to do Matt 28:19 and we're seriously following His command.

Can you provide the scripture where you were instructed to baptized anyone AS ONE OF JEHOVAH WITNESSES?


Next diversion pls....

Emusan:
Yes ooo!

Since you already shot yourself on the foot.

I remember when Janosky was claiming that Jesus was not "The Beginning and The Ending, The First and The Last, Alpha and Omega" in that Revelation because Revelation was all about Jehovah but now you've pour sand sand into his Garri

Emusan:
The bone don hook throat

QuinQ:
You kidding, right? They lying to you. Even the Catholic Church is better preforming because it is NOT a cult, talkless smaller Christ-centered churches.

Gabrielshow24:
"Thomas was just amazed" 😂😂, "it's more of an exclamation 😂". If you hear their flagrant logic🤣, you will doubt whether or not they really went to school.

It's a known fact that Jews do not blaspheme the name of God(titles included👀) either as an exclamation or otherwise😁!

Ruke1991:
The book of revelation commenced with a vision of Jesus and it was clearly stated that John bowed to him in worship (rev 1 :17,18) in the first vision and wasn't rebuked or asked to refrain. Later on angels appeared at different stages beginning from chapter 4 and the book of revelation did not call them Jesus or describe them in any way like Jesus. it simply calls them angels. Only JW blasphemers try to equate jesus to angels

An angel rejecting to be worshipped validates my words that Jesus is God therefore he can be worshipped and he did accept worship in the scripture. The angels appeared numerous times to John in the book of revelation, but in chapter 1 where the series of vision started, the first person that appeared to John identified himself as jesus - who was dead and is alive and lives for ever. This Jesus here accepted the worship from john and never rebuked him like angels did in rev 19 and rev 22 - because he is God.

Rev 1:17,18 - John bowed to Jesus here. Jesus did not rebuke him. Can you read jesus saying I am he that was DEAD and alive and live forever. I hold the keys of death and live. Angels cannot hold the keys of death and life. Only God can. Only Jesus was dead and is alive - so you cannot claim that this is the father talking.

Jesus did not tell John that he cannot be worshipped when John bowed in rev 1:17,18. But in two other instances where John bowed to angels in this same book of revelation, the angels rebuked him.

Ruke1991:
Matt 28:9,10 Mary Magdalene worshipped jesus. Jesus did not rebuke her or ask her to worship only the father. You are free to compare the original greek word for worship. It is worship that was used not obeisance - since you like playing with words

Ruke1991:
This verses I am bringing up each time, tears to shred the core beliefs of the JW movement and it's a bit embarrassing. JW members actually think pentecostals are bible novices. But am sure they are realising for the first time that themselves are not really good at bible interpretation nor vast in bible knowledge like some of us. No go there o

Ruke1991:
The book of revelation commenced with a vision of Jesus and it was clearly stated that John bowed to him in worship (rev 1 :17,18) in the first vision and wasn't rebuked or asked to refrain. Later on angels appeared at different stages beginning from chapter 4 and the book of revelation did not call them Jesus or describe them in any way like Jesus. it simply calls them angels. Only JW blasphemers try to equate jesus to angels


Jesus did not tell John that he cannot be worshipped when John bowed in rev 1:17,18. But in two other instances where John bowed to angels in this same book of revelation, the angels rebuked him.

Ruke1991:
Heb 1:6 angels are commanded by the father to worship.jesus. So jesus is God - he is not angel Michael. No angel is worthy of worship. The verse you quoted ( Rev 19:10 ) validates my point.

Revelation 19:10 - that is an angel that tells John to bow or worship only God. Angels can never be worshipped. Read the whole chapter and see that the person talking is an angel not Jesus.

Ruke1991:
John 20:28 Thomas called Jesus his God. Did you see Jesus rebuke him? no. Because Jesus is God

QuinQ:
So after exhaustively studying your Bible and you put it aside and contemplate what you've read and the activities of the various actors, you'd come to the conclusion that Angel Michael created everything, and that once you've seen Angel Michael you've seen God, and he's not an angel at all but the ONLY begotten Son of God. Okay o

QuinQ:
It is left for you to digest all and use YOUR OWN God-given thinking faculty to synthesise it and come up with a reasonable answer. Example, if you read Moses started life by KILLING a man in cold blood then some elder tells you that Jesus was like Moses

QuinQ:
Or you know Jesus said that JohnTB was Elijah but he and His disciples never at anytime even almost indicate anything about He being an angel of any sort, that's where YOUR own thinking comes in!

QuinQ:
The Holy scriptures say disparate things.

QuinQ post: The holy scriptures say CONFLICTING things "
Oga this is what you teach from your church pulpit?

This "Believer" no believe him Bible.

QuinQ:
YES, no governing body told Jesus what to say or think!

QuinQ:
JJesus said many words that never made it into the Bible. Even people who take direct dictations make mistakes. Jesus's words were remembered misremembered, told and retold, until someone finally wrote them down. Then there were translations and modifications.
You can't know better than those who were right there by disecting the few modified words that finally came down to you!

QuinQ:
(The difference between you and me is that I am interested in the truth, while you're only interested in robotically propagating JW viewpoint).

See, you have no answer, and as the saying goes:
"If you have no argument insult the other guy!".
You have no argument because I am RIGHT and you are WRONG! Three reasons:

1) If mere humans can pray to higher aspects of themselves, complex unknowable God can also definitely pray to higher aspects of Himself!

2) You believe God can simultaneously listen to millions of prayers. You believe God and Jesus can simultaneously dwell INSIDE lots of people. You believed Jesus when He said He and the Father are one, and once you see Him you've seen the Father. The only thing you can't believe is that God (the Son) can pray to God (the Father)! Wow!

3) You don't know what you're talking about. You are incapable of understanding how things are structured in the spiritual world. So you're in absolutely in no position to be saying what God can or cannot do!

(BTW, "not thinking" is believing JW when they tell you Jesus is Moses and Jesus is Angel Michael and you actually believe them, despite everything you've read!)

TenQ:
1.Thank you for being truthful that ONLY Jehovah God bears BOTH Titles.
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Can you check each of these verses in NWT and show me that the verses refer to non other but Jehovah God?

[i]Revelation 19:16
"And he has a name written on his robe and on his thigh: king of kings and lord of lords."

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1 Timothy 6:13-15
"I charge you, before God, who is making all things alive, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the right profession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep the command unspotted, unblameable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which he will show in his own times- the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of the kings and Lord of the lords,"

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Revelation 17:14
"They will make war with the Lamb, but the Lamb will conquer them, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with him are the called and chosen and faithful."

Again, Can you check each of these verses in NWT and show me that the verses refer to non other but Jehovah God?

Emusan:
Your own Daniel have chapter 44

Where did you see King of kings in Psalms 136:1-3 is my question?

Emusan:
It was never there but you inserted it fraud.ster


Jesus is The King of kings! Hallelujah

Emusan:
So do Trinitarians wrong with the Identity of Jesus and the Father?

You're the one who is confused here.

because you first claimed Jesus is praying to HIMSELF.

When Trinity is about Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Three Persons not ONE PERSON.

So, do you understand now that Jesus was PRAYING TO THE FATHER?

Father meaning Senior.
Emusan said Jesus is equal with God his Father.

Sir ,Do you understand that Jesus was praying to God his Senior?

achorladey:
Na to just sit down and pick apart their words and see that na load of fallacies advanced as truth and teaching the truth or even outright abuse and manipulations of the scripture

Emusan:
Because they don't even understand what they are arguing against

Gabrielshow24:
Let all men be liars, but let God be true! Do not be swayed by the propaganda of Jehovah's Witnesses. 🤨

It's essential to ask them critical questions; only then will you see their narratives crumble like chaff, blown away by the winds of reason. 👀

As a reminder, one of their elders, Janosky, failed to answer a simple question for over a month. This self-proclaimed elder, who claims to have BPD, has an encyclopedia of unanswered questions! They often behave like seasoned airbenders, presenting themselves as if they possess coherent arguments. However, when you challenge them with probing questions, they evade and avoid providing genuine answers, frequently resorting to false equivalences and misrepresentations. 🤨

Don't fall for the oldest trick in the book: the misrepresentation of God's words! "

Ruke1991:
you are confused. The dream of Daniel is explained by an angel. The beasts before the throne of God in the book of revelation were not interpreted by any angel.
So why do your elders add their own traditions to the bible? Your elders want to automatically use the animal in the book of Daniel which means nations to interpret the meaning of animals in every other bible verse. You see why your governing council gets it all wrong. So goat in your own dreams now mean Grecian empire and in every bible verse goat continues to be an empire. You should use your own reasoning and you will be able to see why JW governing council are in error

QuinQ:
God gave YOU a brain. Use it! He didn't give you Trinitarians or JW governing body. He gave you a brain! Use it for a change! Forget about Trinitarians and governing boards and THINK for a change! Think FOR YOURSELF for a change!
(I know I'm wasting my time)😅



Nope. When you take EVERYTHING together you'd be very SURE that's not what it means. It's not just that Jesus Himself claimed to be God, OT said God was coming to visit us, Jews tried to stone Jesus for claiming to be God, Jesus was called the Alpha and Omega, no one ever said that once you've seen Peter you've seen Jesus, or that once you’ve Paul you've seen Peter, no one ever tried to stone Peter for claiming to be Jesus, etc. When you take all these together it becomes very clear what was meant!

You claim to be a believer of the holy Bible but you don't want Daniel 12:1-2 & John 5:28-29.to THINK for you.
You claim to follow Jesus.
John 12:49-50, did Jesus Christ think for himself?

Compare John 5:18 & John 19:6-7, you will observe that the Jews were LYING against Jesus @John 5:18.

Father meaning Senior.
@ John 5:18,Does calling God Father (SENIOR) mean what the Jews claimed?
Oga use your brain nah.

QuinQ:
You keep reposting these same words when you know the internet is full of negatives about JW.
Don't anger someone into dumping a ton of those here. See just a few below



I told you to THINK for yourself just this once. If you did you'd KNOW Christ can be neither Moses nor Angel Michael

The holy scriptures THINK for genuine believers .
John 12:49-50, did Jesus Christ think for himself?
Therefore,Daniel 12:1-2 =John 5:28-29, Jesus Christ is doing the work of archangel Michael because he is.


. Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28-29 spoken by Jesus,is the greatest evidence that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.
Your Trinitarian mentors believed it too.

Oga, do you have evidence that Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28-29 is missing in your Bible?

Ruke1991:
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Angels don't worship angels. Angels worship God.
Here is the father commanding angels to worship Jesus. The word worship used here is the original greek word for worship - not obeisance but real worship.

Any reasonable JW member by reading this verse will realize their elders lied when they said Jesus is not God or cannot be worshipped. They also lied when they said Jesus is angel Michael. God cannot ask Angels to worship a fellow Angel. You forget say satan fall because he wanted his own throne so he can be worshipped? Jesus belonged to the Godhead, that's why angels are commanded to worship him

QuinQ:
Then you'll be lying to yourself. "Michael" is shorter answer than "Son of the Living God", which was the CORRECT answer Peter gave when Jesus asked them directly whom they thought he was. No one ever mentioned Michael anywhere in their conversations - yet that's what Jesus was! Forget governing board and think about it yourself. Also see below

QuinQ:
They only twist it out of all proportion into ridiculousness

Daniel 12:2 = John 5:28-29, no be rocket science
Jesus Christ is doing the work of archangel Michael, Oga REMOVE Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28-29.

Daniel 12:2
"And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt. "

John 5:28-29
Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice / and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment"

Proverbs 14:7 is very true,
Scoffers don't want knowledge.
They prefer WAILING.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ keep whatever you think you know for whoever wants to learn from you just as i also do for my Bible students.

QuinQ:
You must be kidding. They were consumed with the SPIRIT of the LIVING Christ. The same Christ JW hardly acknowledge is alive. Be honest, is there any movement of Christ in JW? Is it not all about following the governing board, terrified of disfellowship??