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Perfectbeing:
The word "proskuneo" means "to kiss the hand, bow down before, show obeisance, to worship." Since the Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus is God, they maintain that He is not to be worshipped. So, how does the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society translate the word "proskuneo" in their Greek New Testament in reference to Jesus and other objects of adoration? The NWT never translates the word into "worship" when it references Jesus. However, it render the word as "worship" regarding the devil, the dragon, the beast, the image, demons, idols, and an angel. Of course, they correctly translate it as "worship" when it deals with God.
Is the New World Translation biased against worshipping Jesus? It would surely seem so and especially since the NASB, NIV, KJV, NKJV, etc., all translate the word as "worship" in reference to Jesus.
What is curious is to note that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society used to teach that worshipping Jesus was acceptable:

"The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Yes we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so. While he was not the God, Jehovah, he was a God. The word ‘God’ signifies a ‘mighty one,’ and our Lord was indeed a mighty one. So it is stated in the first two verses of the gospel of John. It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father. . ." (The Watchtower, July 15, 1898, p. 216.)


It seems that as the Watchtower theology changed, they needed a Bible consistent with those changes, hence, the New World Translation.

The word "proskuneo" occurs 55 times in the Watchtower Kingdom Interlinear. Of those 55, 15 are in reference to Jesus with 40 used of others, 27% of the usage is of Jesus, and not a single reference is translated as "worship" even though in reference to the devil, demons, idols, etc., they do translate it as worship. If this doesn't demonstrate their bias, then what does?

[b]Whenever it is in reference to Jesus, they absolutely will not let it be translated as worship. Why? Because they erringly deny that Jesus is God in flesh and their Bible reflects their bias. [/b]This is not how proper theology is done.
The Watchtower Organization has changed the Bible to suit its needs.

Matt 4:10 Jesus Christ himself says his Father and God did NOT command anybody to worship Jesus.

(All of Una Na Pharisees pretending to love Jesus. Jesus Christ says The WORSHIP IS STRICTLY FOR JEHOVAH ALONE. Matt 4:10, Jesus himself EXPOSED UNA WAYO. )

Luke 9:30-35 , Yahweh says YOUR Jesus is God FRAUD is dead and buried


Matthew 4:10. (Deuteronomy 6:13).

.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah* your God you must worship,+ and it is to him alone you must render sacred service."


John 7:16...
"What I teach is not mine..."

Perfectbeing and Emusan & all of Una pretending to love Jesus Christ so much,
Yet you come to Nairaland with IDIOTIC EXCUSES FOR YOUR DISOBEDIENCE of Matthew 4:10 , the command wey Jehovah give His Son, Jesus Christ to teach Una....

Una WUCKED !!!

Emusan:
Firstly, just as Achorlade said, you're lost in your own discussions because there's no correlation BTW the post and your reply.

Which means you're just jumping around like monkey.



Did God accept/happy with what Solomon did or not, despite the fact God had convenat with David?

No wonder you couldn't quote vs 9-10



How does this address the fact that God rebuked what Solomon did?



So which convenat did God have with the pagan Russell and his team?



Just attacking a straw man argument!

Who give you the absolute POWER to make decisions for Jehovah God?

Ode.....

achorladey:
Something interesting come up which is related to your post. Follow this conversation.

Non JW: Who is your Shepherd?

JW: Psalms 23 stated that Jehovah is my Shepherd, not JESUS. Of course, the term was still applied to Jesus in John 10:11 as I gave above

One will be forced to look at John 10:11.......NWT I am the fine shepherd, the fine shepherd surrenders his life in behalf of the sheep.

After looking at the above, one will ask is JESUS OUR SHEPHERD?

Same as saying is JESUS OUR GOD? which MUMU DETECTOR as be asking all this while.

Perhaps we should ask him is JESUS OUR SHEPHERD? Let us see is RESPONSE

Peacefullove:
Bible verse ?




" For one is your Father, the heavenly one " - Matthew 23 vs 9

I am going to my Father and Your Father - John 20:17 .


Jesus is now the Father . deluded Emusan
Jesus have no sons , who is his son abeg ?

Let me know Jesus sons , or show me where anyone is called Jesus Sons . You are too dull

Emusan:
John 1:1 "...and the word was God"

Heb 1:6 "Thy throne Oh God"



You're Jesus son because He created you!

Yes and Everlasting Father

Your brain is paining you!

Luke 9:30-35 says your John 1:1 FRAUD is dead and buried

The Catholics who scrubbed your brain with Trinity GIBBERISH already knows your Hebrews 1:6 is a FRAUD.

The Jews also know Emusan's Hebrews 1:6 is a FRAUD. The Masoretic Text confirm it.
Your Hebrews 1:6 FRAUD is a misquote of Psalm 45:6. Catholic Jerusalem Bible confirm it.
Emusan brain in sifia pains....
" .... A Son has been given to us.. he will be called.....
Before Isaiah's 9:6 prophecy,the Son no get that title .
It has ZERO connection to your fictitious claims.
The Jews know your Everlasting Father claim is FRAUDULENT.
Na which Jew talk say Jesus Na their Father?
Since Genesis 1:27, we already know our Father and the Father of Jesus.
WAYO FRAUD Man your brain in sifia pains.

Emusan:
Jesus is our God!



So on what ground did you respect Jesus because both of you are God?



Jesus is also our Father



Rev also says people will worship the Lamb and the Lamb is also on the same Throne, deluded peacefullove you can die now!



Where was Jesus called Micheal is my question?

Hypocrite!

OLAADEGBU:
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Ferdyn:
it's because God was never created and can never be destroyed. His birth and death were just portals of transforming from one form to another. I mean you are made in his image, so even you yourself can't die. Your body is dust, so it will only be alive until you separate from it. [/b]And perhaps unlike science you cant fit the ways of God into your brains like that of specimen in test tubes. He said his presence signifies salvation and his death signifies mercy, don't bother understanding, it would have been herculean for people of old to understand the earth is round not flat you know. Just believe as see how God unravels the whole mystery to you with time. Pahaps look around you and see the beauty that emanates from those that serve God in spirit and in truth even if they got little. I don't think that's void of mercy you know.

IamMichael:
Why not refute the False Prophecies published repeatedly instead of talking about unrelated things.

The thread is about all the failed Prophecies of your organisation. If you don't have anything to say, you can go and continue insulting your generation, showing everyone exactly who you are as a person.

Sheunma:
Christians are followers of Christ. Jehovah's witnesses don't follow Christ, so they are not Christians.

IamMichael:

At least know the meaning of prophecy first before defending from an ill-informed point of view.

IamMichael:
Why not refute the False Prophecies your organisation published repeatedly instead of talking about unrelated things.

The thread is about all the failed Prophecies of your organisation.

Jesus Christ prophecied and predicted ..
" This generation will by no means pass away " ; " The kingdom of God is at hand" even before your great great great grandfather was born.
Even this past year 2019, kpakpa, "the kingdom is at hand"
For over 2000 years, " this generation will by no means pass away until all Jesus prophecied occurrs"

Go and quarrel with Jesus Christ....

OLAADEGBU:
You have no business talking about the Bible since you have no regard for it, so just do us a favour by going straight to your Watchtower magazine because your kingdom life depends on it.



If you disregard the Word of God that can give you eternal life why should I be worried if your disrespect my Pastor?




You are invited to attend our expository Bible study. Come and be blessed.

OLAADEGBU:
Judaism and Christianity have their roots in the OT and NT respectively which we call the Bible and it is not interpreted differently, they are complementary.


2)
If you are sincere in believing that the KJV Bible is a slavery Bible you wouldn't be using it to deceive the unsuspecting when in the real sense what you actually believe in is the Watchtower magazine. That makes you a deceiver that the Bible warned us against.


3)
Thanks for showing the kind of fruit behind the facade. Would you call your grandfather stupid? If you don't respect your parents and your sect has not been able to teach you to respect your elders you should learn here on this forum to respect a person who is old enough to be your grandfather.

shadeyinka:
Sorry dear;
The scriptures cannot be broken
Is42:8 NWT
8 I am Jehovah . That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.

God CANNOT give His glory to any creature (not a man, not an angel).

Your NWT says exactly who the angel of the LORD was in
Judges6:14
14 And Jehovah looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and save Israel[/b] from the hand of Midian: have not I sent thee?

In clear language WHO spoke to Gideon?

You will avoid this question like plague.
Was it an angel?
Is an angel Jehovah?


I wonder who is super glued with delusion. The scripture is very clear.

Look at your argument:
Three men came to Abraham:
Why is your conclusion NOT that the three Angels SENT three MEN as their spoke person?. But that the three men are Actually in Fact Angels even though they look every inch human.

Your faculties just freezes up whenever you are looking at the scriptures and you find it convenient to use different rules for similar situations in the scriptures just to fit your doctrines.

The scriptures say:
Judges6:14
14 And Jehovah looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and save Israel[/b] from the hand of Midian: have not I sent thee?

Who looked down upon Gideon?
You wouldn't answer.

2. Of course, no man can see God (in His Glory) and live.

Exodus 33:20
"And Jehovah added, “You cannot see My face, for no one can see Me and live.”
John 1:18
No man has ever seen God at anytime"

BUT
Gen 32:30:
"And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."

Exo 3:6:
"Moreover he said, I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look on God."

Exo 33:11:
" [highlight] And the LORD spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle."

Cc:
Peacefullove
Maximus69

Is any angel by the name JEHOVAH?

The million dollar question is:
Who did Gideon say himself saw and had conversations with?
Vs 22. Gideon Says :

" I have seen the angel of Jehovah face to face."

The MUMU man is here claiming that Exodus 33:20 . John 5:37. John 1:18. Psalms 91:11 are FALSE.

Bros, go and quarrel with Gideon for EXPOSURE of your MUMU

Ayodejewel:
He didn't announce his birthday nor is he the one celebrating it but the world that knows his birthday

shadeyinka:
I know, but your arguments have been very similar. That Jehovah cannot manifest as a man nor angel to His savants yet you easily believe that the reverse is possible an Angel can play God!

I showed you what the NWT says but your indoctrination is too deep for you to see that no being (not man and not any angel) can assume the name of Jehovah other than Himself.

Judges6:11-22, PROOF of Shadeyinka's DELUSION...

Hypnotise:
Happy Birthday Sir

Hypnotise:
Shut the f*ck and wish him happy birthday. It's not a competition or comparison challenge. We all serve the same God and Jesus.

dirtydiva:
A big fat lie from the pit of hell, I know some nairalanders don buy to ds gullible news meant to tarnish our image as a country Nigeria because dey failed to get their plans on us using covid-19, now dey resort to propaganda. How did dey get their facts and who confided in them about doing abortion or did dey include Vaseline crew squad & intimacy gadget association of Nigerian women who blew their sense off all in the name of jerking

Myer:
How then do you explain Mark 16:15-18?
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
[/b]And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

Besides the 1 Corinthians 13: 8-10 which is subject to interpretation, which other scriptures confirm that signs and miracles will cease?

Emusan:
If they are among the most LEARNED Christian then it means they're many LEARNED out there!

So because your Muslim friend told you something means what?

Should I tell you other people's opinions about JWs?

like I said earlier, what we're discussing here is about eternity!

achorladey:
Did SOLOMON died not knowing IDOLATRY is a SIN?

Obviously SOLOMON knew well that IDOLATRY is a SIN. He was equally forewarned about IDOLATRY before he eventually became an IDOLATER.

You were the ONE making case for RUSSELL that he didn't KNOW worshipping JESUS was WRONG(IDOLATRY). Which is as GOOD as saying RUSSELL don't know IDOLATRY is a SIN.


You have roped yourself and equally getting lost in your own VERY DISCUSSION

Does Jehovah have any covenant with triune pagan deity devotees stubbornly clinging to their DELUSION ?

Triune pagan deity devotees shouting upandan with excuses to DISOBEY Jesus Christ injunction @ Matthew 4:10, given by his Father (Deut 6:13. John 15:15).Emusan dey there dey DECEIVE yourself

KNOWMORE56:
1×1×1=1. That is, Father multiply by Son x Holy Ghost = Almighty One.

Note: multiply means increased, i.e Father increased the Son, increased the Holy Ghost equal to Almighty One.

From this example (1×1×1=1), no description given to the first one (1) that is lacking in the rest.

There is no single quality found in the Father that is not found in the Son and the Holy Ghost.

Take it or leave it.

KNOWMORE56:
The Angel is called Jehovah in Genesis 18:1-10. Do JWs agree ?

peepydelano:
Her boyfriend don boldly come out to defend her, stop all the pretence you both will be exposed soon.Can you deny the fact that you both are not having something secretly?except if you no dy fear God. Ain't you planning an Abuja trip after the lockdown?What for? Rozz thinks hidding her face will help her,not knowing some Abuja peeps could recognize her and school wey she dy go.Make una dy use religion dy deceive the gullible one's for here.Hehehe na the pretense dy make me vex.Make una carry unasef dy go,make una Bleep unasef as una like but no dy pretend.no quote me again ooo. I no dy drag people here but una pretense dy annoying .Wawa kowei

Emusan:
You called it rant because your lying mouth is being exposed.

Now see the way she boycotted my point and question!

Here again

So Russell only shows Christ RESPECT because he LACKS THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE of Proskuneo.
So now that Proskuneo isn't worshipped, are we to respect Christ?

Your lying mouth will continue to rope you in.

"SOME DON'T KNOW"

Who are these "SOME"?

And Wasn't that verse already in the scripture before Russell was born?

What is the essence of Russell being the very MOUTHPIECE of Jehovah and yet Jehovah allowed him to die in this wrong believe?

Like I said earlier, your lying mouth will continue to rope you in.

Jehovah allowed king Solomon to die in the practice of idolatry.
Emusan STOP making Empty NOISE upandan
You have ZERO power to make decisions for Jehovah God.

rottennaija:
But that is what they clearly said that your pastor is afraid that their source of income is going away, probably taking others along with it. That way, they question your pastor genuine spiritual interest in you

rottennaija:
Possible stupidity? I agree. But instead of spending time describing stupidity, why no tell me what I do not know? Tell me how spirit have heads for crown, eyes for seeing, knees for bending, where white cloths... Please correct me, when you have no flesh and bone, what do spirit need cloths for? What do spirit that have no flesh and bone need buttocks for? Spirit that have no flesh and bone but have ass to sit on thrones? No bone but have head, please tell me, is head in rested on the bone skeletal structure?

Educate me instead of name calling, please educate why the 24 elders have all these attributes that require a skeletal structure?