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shadeyinka:
Are you saying that god and God means the same thing according to the English NWT?

What the source language says on the matter, determines the context for which NWT will translate the same word, Theos / ELOHIM as a "god/God". It depends on the context.

shadeyinka:
I wonder why you are being evasive. The question was

The question is simple:
Is Jesus a Mighty God or Mighty god ?

I didn't ask for the difference between Mighty God and God!

Shadeyinka created the dichotomy NOT recognized in Hebrew language.
Jesus is a Mighty god.

The Hebrew language has no dichotomy for God/god.
I go with that.

olamy7:
well, I know you are reading the Bible blindly.

God came in flesh does not equate to him being the real God. because the real God is not a flesh!! But the real God came as a flesh.

I hope you understand this

Luke 9:35 Whose Voice called your " real God in the flesh" his Son?

shadeyinka:
The question is simple:
Is Jesus a Mighty God or Mighty god?. NWT has confused everyone and you aren't clarifying the issue either!

Hebrew EL-Gibbowr= Mighty God/God.
Same meaning.

You don't want to see and hear the truth.
Bros enjoy your DELUSION.

Your Mighty God Jesus says he is servant of his God and Father in heaven and earth. John 20:17. Revelations 3:5,12.

shadeyinka:
Trying hard to make s proselyte out of Ross
Mat 23:15:
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."

Triune pagan deity devotee dey quote Scriptures wey him no know

HedwigesMaduro:
I think we can always pretend we don't know about figure of speech if it suits our narrative. So if a man points to a boy and says "if you see that boy you've seen his father", it means the boy is his mom's husband right?

Excellent response.
Thank you Sir

shadeyinka:
How come the inconsistency of Jesus as Mighty God and Mighty god.

If Jesus is a god, then he can't be God and vice versa!

Yahweh called Man ELOHIM, you no see am for your Bible?

Shadeyinka you are confusing yourself.
You are just exaggerating a non consequential issue.
Mighty God/god means the same thing in Hebrew language.

Hebrew language has no case dichotomy. It's only in English we have small case and big case dichotomy.

More so, Almighty God has no Father in the physical realm as well as spiritual realm.
But Jesus your Mighty God has his Father and his God in both realms..

Bros, does Revelations 3:5,12 exist in your Bible?

The screenshots you refused to see is here...

Timalt:
Is that the best you can do? So you can't provide evidence that your religion was chosen in 1919. I have been asking for more than 24 hours now. Yet, not one scriptural proof.

By the way, I follow christ not men like you do by following your governing body. See what your governing body said below :

"All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not." - Watchtower 13 11/15 pp. 16-20

I have enough receipts sir. I can bring more receipts if you want that shows your leaders demanding obedience and loyalty that should only be given to God.

Ehe, BTW 1 Cor 3:4 is my motto. I do not belong to Paul, neither do I belong to Apollos. I belong to Christ the head of the Church. I don't follow any gods of men like you call them. My leader is one, the christ. You can't say the same about yourself. Your leaders are in America wearing suits and wearing strange rings on their right fingers.

While you are on it, we are still waiting for answers to my questions.

In case you have forgotten, here they are

1) provide evidence for us all to see your religion was chosen in 1919

2) provide evidence in the Bible that shows that children, infact babies as young as 7 years old were baptised during the Christian Era.

3) show me one place in the Bible that says that doctrines which were once taught as "truth" will change to new truth or new light as you call it.

What's the name of the church you have your membership card?

Timalt:
You still have not answered my question as to providing evidence that your religious leaders were chosen in 1919.

You said you don't believe in infant or child baptism, yet you turn around and baptize 7 year olds. Infact your organization has baptized a 6 year old. It's in one of your yearbooks. That right there is hypocrisy my friend. Jesus was baptized at 30. How can a 7 year old be baptized into an organization he barely knows? And if tomorrow he decides he no longer wants to be a part of it, he's excommunicated and shunned eternally.

The way you go around quoting scriptures out of context is amazing my friend. You quoted Proverbs 4: 18 to prove that doctrines will be changing as light. Please I want you to read Proverbs 4: 10 - 19 to see what the context is saying. That verse of the Bible is not in any way talking about doctrinal changes, but it is contrasting the path of the wicked vs that of the righteous and the outcomes of both paths.

I challenge you to read the context to see what the Bible really is talking about. There is not a single verse in the Bible that suggests that "truth" will be changing from one thing to a totally different thing. Worse yet, there is nothing in the Bible that teaches that "truth" will flip-flop from front to back like your doctrines have done and keep doing.

Please answer my questions
1) provide evidence for us all to see your religion was chosen in 1919

2) provide evidence in the Bible that shows that children, infact babies as young as 7 years old were baptised during the Christian Era.

3) show me one place in the Bible that says that doctrines which were once taught as "truth" will change to new truth or new light as you call it.

I anticipate your response sir.

Thank you.

Since 1919 period, Jehovah's servants have received MORE understanding of God's word and abandoned false teachings popular in Christendom.
We believe Jehovah choose us to know the truth in the Bible better,since that era....
Take it or leave it.
The choice is yours.

. A child brought up by Jehovah's servants who practice what they learn is really blessed if he cultivates genuine love for God.

Deut 6:6-8.D either 4:9. Genesis 18:19 Prov22:6 children MUST learn Jehovah's ways from their parents. Train up your child according to Jehovah's ways for him/her.
Josiah became king at a tender age, he could as well be baptized at that tender age if baptism was practiced in ancient Israel.

2Tim3:15, Timothy knew the holy writ from infancy before he became a believer.
It is very likely he was baptized at a tender age.
If your child expresses interest in a noble vocation he likes, would you dissuade him?
The biblical principles is there in both OT and NT , any child who is willing to serve Jehovah, we will encourage them to get baptized.

It's not by fire by force. Not everyone will serve Jehovah. It's by choice.
No be crime.

Genesis 1:1,26-28 gave info about Creation.
The Israelites knew about Genesis account but only Jesus Followers knew about Hebrews 1:1-14.
Hebrews 1:1-14 ADDED more meat to the flesh.

Abeg bring Evidence that your gods of men drank tea with God.

Bring Evidence here that God spoke to your Churchpreneurs. I want see am..

MuttleyLaff:
Is this a good thing though?
Does it build the body of Christ and glorify God?

Another GIBBERISH

shadeyinka:
Some people are obstinatly wrong!

Yes... Jesus Christ says Shadeyinka is obstinately wrong.


John 20:17,21,30-31.
17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.”

30 Now Jesus did many other signs vin the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

shadeyinka:
John 1:1 New World Translation (NWT)
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."

Their own translation show that Jesus is a god with a small "g"!

Modified:
I checked it again o!
Isaiah 9: 6
6 For a child has been born to us,+
A son has been given to us;
And the rulership* will rest on his shoulder.+
His name will be called Wonderful Counselor,+ Mighty God,+ Eternal Father, Prince of Peace



I AM CONFUSED

Hebrew EL-Gibbowr and Hebrew EL (God) means "Mighty One"
No PROOF of Trinity.

It is very AUTHENTIC and Genuine.
Greek Theos= A god/God.
John 17:3 , Jesus Christ calls the one/only True God TOV Theon.= Greek "The God".
The same Greek expression TOV Theon in John 17:3 & John 14:1 is NOT Jesus Christ.

John 1:1 English "the Word was with God= Greek"The Logos was facing towards the God.
One person can NEVER face towards himself.
Luke 9:35 Yahweh says No way !!

Bros, throway the Trinity FRAUD for dustbin
Further PROOF is in the screenshots

shadeyinka:
The NWT is confusing everybody except JWs.

More Shadeyinka's GIBBERISH.

shadeyinka:
I spoke the truth with no addition to what you preach. Which of my two statements contradict your doctrine?

Shadeyinka's GIBBERISH.
You no even dey SHAME sef dey lie lie here.
You worship 3 deities, triune pagan deity.
Hebrew language EL (God) means "Mighty One".
Hebrew language EL-Gibbowr means "Mighty One".
Yahweh, the one true,Almighty God, the God (Greek TOV Theon) in John 1:1, is NOT Jesus Christ.
John 17:3 Jesus Christ calls you a LIAR.
No Truth for your mouth.

Timalt:
My dear, I would say you did well. Questioning what you believe is the first step towards intellectual integrity. For you to question what you believe shows that you are sincere and not afraid to be proved wrong.

The Trinity doctrine is one that after personal research, I do not believe it. Because I can't find sufficient evidence to support that claim. Infact history shows that it was in the 2nd/3rd century that the teaching was introduced to replace the teaching of modalism.

Now let this be very Clear. Jehovah’s Witnesses are not the only Unitarians. There are some other groups that do not believe in Trinity. Google is your friend. Infact the concept of unitarianism is as old as time because many who believed in unitarianism were persecuted in the Roman empire. The teaching of unitarianism was resurrected sometimes in the 16th century and since then it has gained some popularity again.

Now, let it be clear to you that if you were a Jehovah's witness, you can't question the doctrines. If you have questions and they give you answers that are unsatisfactory, "you are told to wait on Jehovah". And Jehovah for them is essentially 8 men in America that tell them what to believe. They revere these men and they call them their Governing body. Now if you dare disagree after they tell you to wait on Jehovah, you would be excommunicated, ostracized, shunned for life and labeled an Apostate. Which in the Jehovah witness world is worse than death itself. Careful about this group. I mean it. I agree with some of their teachings just like I agree with some teachings of some other churches. Before you become their member, please research about them carefully. Research their founder, their history, their doctrines. For example they teach that unless you are a member, God will kill you at armageddon. It does not matter if you are a good Christian or not. They teach that only those in their organization will survive their so called armageddon.
They have a very false doctrine on blood transfusion. They say the Bible condemns blood transfusion, whereas all the Bible talks about is eating blood. There was no transfusion in the first century. Yet they hypocritically accept blood fractions that is gotten from blood itself.
They baptize children as young as 7 years, and if the child ever decides to leave their church, they are shunned by their family and friends for life. In fact they become dead to their families.
Once you baptize and enter that religion, there's no honorable way of ever leaving. Just know that.
They have made many false prophecies 1874, 1878, 1914, 1920, 1925, 1942, 1975, they also predicted the end of the 20th century. All these dates are dates the end was supposed to come.

They discourage University education.

They say birthdays are pagan, but they wear wedding rings and cut wedding cakes which are also pagan.

They have have an issue with child abuse in their midst. And they have something they call the two witness rule. Where if a child is abused, unless another witness corroborates the story or the accused confesses, they will say the leave the matter in God's hand. Their religious leaders do not report child sexual abuse which is a crime under the law to the authorities. Research all I have said.

They believe in a strange doctrine that you are not in the new covenant. That only 144,000 are in the new covenant. And they believe that the remaining ones of the 144,000 are all Jehovahs witnesses. Every other person out there is not part of that their exclusive club.

They teach that Jesus is not your mediator. That Jesus is the mediator of only the 144,000. And only by association with the 144,000 of which the foremost are the 8 men in America, only through them can you get to God.

They teach a false doctrine started by William Miller who was an Adventist in the 1800s that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914. They believe Jesus is "present" but that he is invisible to others. And only them who are discerning know of his coming and presence. William Miller who started the nonsense predicted 1874, and when it failed, he dropped it. It was many splinter groups that modified the nonsense. Infact it was another Adventist not a Jehovah's witness or Bible student as they were then called, the man was Named Nelson Barbour. He was the one that came up with the ridiculous acrobatics of doctrine of 1914. Even he left the nonsense.

They say Jesus returned invisibly in October 1914 and that is when the last days started. They point to world War 1 as proof. But that is lie from the pit of hell because world War 1 started on July 28, 1914. So evidently that their doctrine is false.

They also falsely claim Jerusalem was destroyed by babylon in 607bce. When all Cuneiform tablets and overwhelming evidence proves it to be 586/586bce. Please Google it.

They teach another false doctrine that the great crowd in revelation will be on earth when Revelation 19:1 says they are in heaven.

They believe that salvation is gotten by works not grace. Even though they claim to believe in undeserved kindness, their own description for grace. Yet believe that you must go around sharing their pamphlets or stand with their carts distributing their pamphlets, and then you must record the hours you spent and send it to them every month before you can be saved.

Once you join them, you are pressured to convert your family, and if they don't convert, you are to limit your association with them because they are worldly association who would be destroyed at armageddon.

All the books printed by their founder, Charles Russell is out of print. They are hidden from their members. Thank God you can see them on the internet now. The electronic copies. Or if you want the hard copies, you can get it from eBay.

See! All I am saying is get to know them very very very well before you even step into their church or hall. Immediately you enter, they love bomb you.

Once you are their member you can't research anything that criticizes them, their leaders or their teachings.

Use www.jwfacts.com
to see things they printed in their own publications old and new.

Now watch how their members will want to attack my post. Just watch.

www.Jwfacts.com

Mixture of LIEs and half truths.

Jehovah is NOT 8 men in America. You know you are LYING

JWs uphold the Biblical injunction

" REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES."
2nd John 2:9-10 Says
AVOID unrepentant wrongdoers (former believers) who turn against the teaching of Jehovah God. "Do NOT say a greeting to them"
Jehovah loves Quality NOT quantity.
Only Noah and his family survived the Deluge.

Expel the Immoral Brother
1 Corinthians 5:1,2,5,7,12-13.
1
"It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife…"

2.
And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been stricken with grief and removed from your fellowship the man who did this?

…12
"What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”


Jesus is a Jehovah's witness. Isaiah 42:10-12.Acts 3:13. Rev3:5,11-14. Deal with it.
Those who don't worship the Jehovah will not receive everlasting life. 2 Thess1:7-9. Deal with it.

Matthew 5:3,5. Jesus Christ says not everyone good person will be in heaven. Some will live forever on earth. Deal with it. 2Pet 3:13. Rev21:1-5.

Show us the profession that doesn't expel or discipline unethical practice. Jehovah must discipline unrepentant wrongdoers.

Jesus Christ says his real brothers are his Followers. He came to plant division between his Followers and their unbelieving family members. Deal with It. JWs put obedience to God ahead of family ties. Matt10:32-39.

Acts 15:28,29 Abstain from blood. Your doctor says "abstain from drugs"
. You go ahead and infuse it intravenously. Have you obeyed your doctor's instructions?
Use of blood fractions is ok. There are blood fractions in the eggs you eat. Do you agree that eating eggs amounts to eating blood?

Every individual growth and development is NOT the same.
Baptism is a personal decision.
If a child of 7 is focused on pursuing a career in Music,would you complain. You call am genius. If a 7year old is focused to serve his God, una begin to complain. Is he accountable to you ?


The Bible says Jesus Christ will rule in heaven in the midst of his enemies,(the period the Bible calls "end time" is that not already clear to you?
Bros, Bible chronology is more accurate than secular history. Deal with it.

Jesus Christ mediates (not for unrepentant wrongdoers ,2Thess1:7-9) but for his Followers who have "Washed their robes clean with the blood of the Lamb.

Jehovah God is the Author of Marriage. Celebrate your marriage anniversary,no wahala.
Birthdays celebration is pagan practice.
That's the reason why Jesus Christ no do am.
King Herod and King Pharaoh were Pagans.
Galatians 4:8-11.
God's servants used ornaments in the temple.
Wedding rings, ear rings and other ornaments are ok.
Except you put them for shrine dey worship your family deity.

Your claim is very MISLEADING.
JWs in the higher institutions keep GROWING year after year.
JWs put emphasis on acquisition of viable, vocational education MORE than acquisition of paper qualifications.
No JW is excommunicated because he is in a higher institutions. NEVER !



Jehovah's witnesses are not perfect, Jesus Followers were also not perfect. Peter lied against his Master, they made FALSE predictions. They squabbled for positions. They had no perfect understanding of everything Jesus taught them... John 16:16-18. Luke 22:56-61. Luke 19:11. Luke 24:21,45-48. Prov4:18.

Monkey no fine him Mama like am....
Shalom

achorladey:
Janosky: even though you have no comprehensive record of everything he did in heaven and earth.

Achorladey: Do you have COMPREHENSIVE RECORD of everything he DID in HEAVEN and on EARTH?

That someone don't have comprehensive record of what Jesus did in HEAVEN or EARTH is that a criteria to BELIEVE or NOT to BELIEVE TRINITY?

You that don't believe in TRINITY do you agree that the BIBLE talks about the father, son and the holy spirit?

Those that do believe in TRINITY do you you agree they know the Bible talks about the father, son, holy spirit.

Janosky: Any ADDITION CONTRARY to what Jesus Christ himself said amounts to GIBBERISH, man made FRAUD popularly called Trinity.

Achorladey: Any ADDITION CONTRARY to what Jesus christ himself said amounts to GIBBERISH, man made FRAUD popularly called "PUT FAITH in a VISIBLE ORGANIZATION"

We see easily the back of the head of other people na others dey see our own. I have equally shown you how that ORGANIZATION concept relate to the TRINITY palaver. You will look elsewhere on that.

The spirit that will keep fostering is up there in the previous post. TRINITY has been on nairaland for ages. This thread will close another will open and we go still see you there. Yet you go on every thread that it's DEAD and BURIED. How many times will TRINITY DIE. As it seems TRINITY has UNENDING RESURRECTION from ages past beginning from the fourth century A.D

Archoladey NONSENSICAL NONSENSE.
Just CONFESS you believe in the Trinity GIBBERISH rather than posting NONSENSE.
John 20:17,30-31, your Belief or non belief is of Prime Importance.
Your Bible says your salvation is tied to your Belief.

Give us PROOF visible organization wrote Matthew 16:13-17. John 20:17,30-31. Rev3:12.

hoopernikao:
Mr Janosky

This is where I always have issue with some of you. You can't continue doing this when you have been corrected many times and you saw it yourself. It will amount to manipulation of the scriptures. I have shown you here many times and you have seen it that usage of theos in John 1:1 or any verse is not a reason to say it means a god. It is context and interpretation that will determine that. We have had this discussion severally here. I likewise pointed you to one of your organization post on their website that also corrected you but you kept holding the wrong meaning.

You can go ahead defending your doctrine but ensure you use words and scriptures within their meaning and context. This is how you can present yourself truthfully.

Theos is the main Greek name for God (the supreme being) and it can be used to mean any god. Every other word for God in Greek based on Theos such as Theon, Theous etc are inflexions of the main word Theos based on the grammar usage not meaning usage.

So you can use any other thing to explain but pointing to John 1:1 that because Theos was used then it means a god, will be a deliberate error of interpretation.

LIAR Hupernikao.

What is definition of Greek Theos?
A god/God.
Acts 12:22. Acts28:6 Greek Theos is what?
John 17:3 Bros, is Jesus the one true God?
John 17:3,Either Hupernikao is lying or Jesus is lying. Choose one option.

Is Luke 9:30-35 still in your Bible?

STOP DECEIVING yourself, Hupernikao
John 1:1 koine Greek "the Word was facing towards Tov Theon (the God).
Jesus Christ can NEVER face towards himself.
John 1:1 says Jesus Christ is NOT the God Almighty.
Luke 9:35 Says Jesus Christ is NOT God Almighty.

Hupernikao has ZERO PROOF ANYWHERE that TOV Theon is Jesus Christ.


Geroutta here Bro.

shadeyinka:
Can you win a athiest in an argument? Same thing

Nobody can argue against the Truth, John 17:3,17. John 20:17,30,31
DUBIOUS shadeyinka.

shadeyinka:
The Jehovah's Witness group actually has two separate Gods
1. God Almighty (Jehovah)
2. Mighty god( Jesus/Angel Michael)
Exo 20:3:
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."


I think you agree with them.

DUBIOUS shadeyinka satanic LIAR.

John 17:3, Psalms 83:18 Jehovah is the Almighty Most High God, the Only true God.
Emphasis on Most High and ONLY TRUE.
Mighty God (Hebrew EL-Gibbowr) is a title for Jesus, Man , Angels and Yahweh too.

You , Shadeyinka are very wicked. You came here to LIE because you are triune pagan deity devotee.
TUEH !!!

olamy7:
the word Trinity was not specifically mentioned in the Bible. but if you really read through the scripture, you will see the claim of trinity as one to be true.

John 1:1 says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

1vs12 now says 'and the word was made flesh 'and we beheld his glory, the glory of the only begotten of the father'. full of grace and truth.

to make it clear: 1. the word was God 2.the word which was God came as a flesh 'Jesus came as a flesh'

John 4:24 says God is a spirit, and definitely, holy spirit was mostly mentioned by Jesus as the spirit of truth. so God is really the spirit and also Jesus. *so I would like to tell you to take the trinity as a person with many roles*

No DECEIVE yourself.
Luke 9:30-35 Read, Study and RECEIVE SENSE, Yahweh Himself Says Trinitarian TWIST of John 1:1,14 is a FRAUD.

The popular English version of John 1:1 IS VERY DIFFERENT from the koine Greek language of John 1:1. The Word was facing towards the God and the Word was divine (Greek Theos= a god/God).
The Word is Theos, A god= divine.
Bros,John1:1, John 17:3 says Jesus is NOT the True God,his Father.

Colossians 1:19, it PLEASES the Father, Yahweh TO GIVE divine quality (nature) to His Son.

*

achorladey:
Rozz: I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that,but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

Achorladey: Were you to be in the witness ORGANIZATION and raised QUESTIONS regarding their beliefs from those they TAGGED APOSTATES you will equally get same WARNING to be careful or told OUTRIGHT (don't listen to them or collect their materials).

The title of the THREAD says I am beginning to REASON with JWs you should add the Muslims too. They too accept the SHEMA and search out other UNITARIAN CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS

TRINITY doctrine remain unending DISCUSSION on Nairaland and everywhere else. It never DIES. The same JWs that will argue about TRINITY and say it is DEAD and BURIED will APPEAR in another thread discussing the same TRINITY that he just admit it's DEAD and BURIED.

So have you asked why many still come back to it? Every now and then. Three things come up

DOGMATISM( mine is right others are wrong), JUDGEMENTALISM( there doctrines is wrong ours is right, they are bad, we are good) and SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS(we are the true Christians they are false CHRISTIANS, they will perish we are the only one that will survive) the post of Maximus69 and Janosky give you a glimpse of what the story is all about.

I too have been involved in such DISCUSSION before but not anymore. The things and spirit having that unending DISCUSSION breeds is those mentioned above.

You will accept the teachings of the JWs and still retain the THREE things above. So what improvement have you indeed made about KNOWING GOD.

Like MuttlleyLaff stated the moment you begin to THINK you can know everything about God is the MOMENT you CONFINED GOD into a BOX.

Matthew 11:27 comes to mind. 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

TRINITY doctrine ITSELF will not bar you from MISSING JESUS HIMSELF explaining the relationship that exists between the Himself, His Father and the Spirit of God.......reechoing kobojunkie words

Nobody confined God into any box.

Be humble to ACKNOWLEDGE AND ACCEPT the Truth Jesus Christ revealed about himself and his God and Father in heaven even though you have no comprehensive record of everything he did in heaven and earth.
The DISCLOSURE Jesus Christ made in the physical realm and the spiritual realm is SUFFICIENT FOR YOU.

John 15:15. John 7:16, It is what his God and Father taught and sent Jesus to teach.

(Matthew 16:13-17. Revelations 1:1,4-6. 3:5,12.
John 20:17,30-31).

Any ADDITION CONTRARY to what Jesus Christ himself said amounts to GIBBERISH, man made FRAUD popularly called Trinity.

MuttleyLaff:
"But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative
—that is, the Holy Spirit—He will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you."
- John 14:26

"When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth.
He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard.
He will tell you about the future."
- John 16:13

God, is not a God of confusion and the scripture doesn't have inconsistencies and contradictions. You are right, one requires the Spirit of Truth who guides believers in all truths

MuttleyLaff is NOT HONEST.
Bros, Why ?
See the screenshot.....
In MuttleyLaff's Opinion, "God is NOT a known number of person...."
Triune pagan deity devotee
Trinitarians are wedded to DISHONESTY.
LIARS & FORGERS indeed.

Rozz:
My Pastor has already summon me over the message I sent to him regarding Trinity.I know it won't be funny

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He can't afford to lose one source of income.... Just do the Maths , from January to December..

The truth is NOT what your Pastor says but rather what you have found out to be true such as Revelations 1:4-6.. Rev 3:5,12,21.
No Pastorpreneur can TWIST IT.

Acehart just TORCHLIGHT it for you to discover the nail sealing the coffin of his fake doctrine.

Rozz:
When it comes to religious matters we have to use our heads sometimes.Trinity, in Christian doctrine is the unity of the father ,son and holy spirit as three persons in one Godhead. The doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be one of central christian affirmations about God. It is rooted in the fact that God came to meet christians in a threefold figure as (1) There creator,Lord,Father and judge as revealed in the old testament (2)as the lord who incarnated in figure of Jesus Christ who lived among human beings (3)As the holy spirit whom they experienced as the helper or intercessor in the power of new life.But neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.Did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew scriptures(Deutronomy 6:4).I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that,but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

John 4:24, Jesus Christ says "God is a spirit".
Deut 6:4, Yahweh our God is One Yahweh.
Jesus Christ says himself is NOT The one true God . John 17:3.
Jesus Christ agrees with the Shema , triune pagan deity devotees disagrees with the Shema and they do not know Jesus.
God is NOT 3 (triune) Spirits.

Many Pastors read JW publications and study the Bible with JWs, (most will not admit it to their sheeples) please BEWARE of anyone warning you to be careful of us...

Acehart:
I hope you love rap music. When there is a battle between two rappers and one loses, it’s simply because he/she didn’t do her home work - reading, practicing with a friend, writing etc.

I fear you don’t haven’t done your homework; hence, you are losing to a weak rapper - JWs.

Have you ever asked yourself what the word “God” means? If you do, you wouldn’t feel the way you are feeling now. While you are at it, could you read Revelations 1:4-6, please? Tell me what you understood after you studied those three verses.

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Revelations 1:4-6

John,

To the seven churches in the province of Asia:

Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits[a] before his throne,
5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,
6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen."

Cc :
Rozz : please take note of the BOLDED.

Acehart won't explain why Jesus Christ in heaven serves his God and Father with humans chosen from the earth. .

The Acehart came here to needlessly cast JWs but ended up EXPOSING his FRAUD doctrine.

Is the spiritual realm Superior to the physical realm ? Yes !!!
Revelations 1:4-6, PROOF, Jesus Christ WORSHIP his God and Father in heaven.

Trinity FRAUD goes straight to the dustbin. DOA !

KNOWMORE56:
I will like you to post clear explanation. What I mean is that, Matthew 4:10 does not say "only the Father receives worship"

But it says "KJV:Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Bros, your claim is NOT true.
Bros,i n Matthew 4:10, "Only whom did Jesus Christ says you Must worship?
Shalom

KNOWMORE56:
See what Bible says:
*. Hebrews 1:6"
KJV:And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God WORSHIP HIM.

all over my Bible, wherever the word worship is used, it could also be replaced with the word homage, either to the Father, son or human beings

Deut 6:13-15, Matthew 4:10, Jesus Christ says Yahweh The Jealous God commanded you NEVER to worship Jesus.

Hebrews 1:6,8 is a Trinitarian FRAUD.
This FRAUD in Hebrews 1:6,8 have been MISLEADING the world since the beginning of the KJV.

Worship is EXCLUSIVELY for Yahweh, the Jealous God. Exodus 20:5.

" To whom can you compare me that I should be his equal?" Says the HOLY ONE.'"
Isaiah 40:25.
Homage is for other beings.

KNOWMORE56:
NOTE: as the setting/composition of the triune God is, Father x son x holy Spirit = one God forever, Father will not call the Son "my father"; the Son will not call the Father "my son"; or the Holy Ghost doing contrary, no.

But, if any of His creatures, from angels to creeping things, should call either of Them 'my father' or 'my God'; no sin is committed by such creature.

Jesus is called everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6 "
KJV:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.

In John 14:8-9, Jesus categorically said He is the Father:

" Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
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KJV:Jesus saith unto him, Have I (THE FATHER) been so long time with you, and yet hast THOU not KNOWN ME, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Please STOP THIS FRAUD. Your claim is NOT true.
John 14:28 ," the Father is GREATER THAN I AM"
Bros, You TEAR OFF John 14:28 and Rev3:5 from your Bible?


Isaiah 9:6, has ZERO correlation with John 14:8-9.

See how Isaiah 9:6 EXPOSED Your claims...
"He shall be called.. Wonderful Counselor, Everlasting Father"
PROOF : "he shall be called".... Points to a time in the future..
At the time Isaiah wrote that prophecy, the son is NOT "Wonderful Counselor, NOT Everlasting Father.
In Isaiah's time, even the government was NOT on his shoulder

Ephesians 3:14-15,John20:17, The Father of Jesus is Yahweh, ALWAYS OUR FATHER.

brocab:
But you aren't Jesus-and you don't have the same Spirit as Jesus, nor do you carry the same Spirit He gave to His apostles. Because once you get Jesus wrong in the first place-then what you preach is not the truth..

The rants of Jesus is God FRAUD Man

brocab:
Jesus did establish a group-He separated Himself from the Pharisees who taught man made tradition through Judaism--the disciples separated themselves from the Pharisees-they taught in the courtyards outside the synagogues-taking the new followers home teaching them the truth about Jesus..
So yes they did establish a group that separated themselves away from the crowd..Jesus claims His Kingdom is not of this world.. "Where in your case Kingdom Hall is part of this world.,-so how does darkness and light flock together...
Jesus's said these are my mother brothers sisters, because if you were to read the scriptures, James the brother of Jesus-didn't believe Jesus was the Son of God, until Jesus rose again, Jesus knew the siblings didn't believe-did even His Mother Mary have any doubts? .He said: those who do the will of My Father are My Mother Brothers and Sisters.

You talk about being submissive to your Church 'but not to Christ? you follow your traditional rules and regulations, claiming your organisation is doing your Fathers works, all I hear from you, is winching and winding-you have been that brainwashed, you actually believe the Watchtower are Jehovah's true disciples...
You are mistaking {Mark 9: 38-40}: "John said to him, 'Teacher, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he was not following us.' But Jesus said, 'Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is for us.'"
So you see, this man didn't follow watchtower rules-nor was he part of your organisation-and yet he was casting out demons in Jesus's name. Working for the Lord...

Is that man your Churchpreneur ?
That man is a disciple of Jesus Christ, unknown to John.

Isaiah 42:10-12. Acts 3:13. Revelations 3:5,11-14, John 7:16., Jesus Christ is a Jehovah's witness, there is absolutely NOTHING you can do about it.

brocab:
Yes Jesus Jehovah is different to the KJ's-you have written your own NWT bible denying the truth about Christ-you preach non biblical literature that couldn't save yourselves 'let alone anybody else.
{Matthew 23:13-14} But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
Does this ring a bell?
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
You enter into broken homes with broken down families-pushing yourselves into private affairs, pushing Watchtower literature upon helpless victims, separating families from each other children are tormented-elders molesting the innocent-raping men and women, your literature refuses to save lives-Jehovah witnesses are worst then before-your brainwashing system is sending you into Hell, knowing a life can't be saved if one joins the Watchtower..

HOGWASH !!!!!
Fit for the dustbin.
Brocab= Bigoted hypocrite.
A popular pastorpreneur was accused of rape in this clime, I challenge you to present Evidence where you publicly criticised him.
JW matter gives you sifia pains since 19gbidigbidi