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solite3:
care to show how trinity is fraud?
many times you jwo always run away when provided with the truth,
Answer these questions
who is Jesus?, an angel or God?
who is the Holy Spirit, a force or a person?

provide biblical reference or forever remain silent.

The Trinity is very simple, one God in three persons.

I have proof for it in the bible,
I have proof that God the father is a different person from the Son and the Holy Ghost,
I have proof that Jesus is Almighty God
The Holy Spirit is a person and Almighty God and the father a person and Almighty God.
All you have is insults and bile to spew all over.

DrLiveLogic, shey you see am , solite3 says " God the Father is a different person from the Son...."
KNOWMORE56 CONFESSED Jesus Christ is God's angel, Yes. JWs are still correct.
Trinitarians are CONFUSED

DrLiveLogic:
I've noticed their diversionary tactics. LMAO. audio unity. Only when they have no hope of winning an argument, they lie about unity.
When they think they can win, they start bombarding with scriptures like pros.

DrLiveLogic:
In answer to your question. Let me show you practically how God can teach people Himself without confusion.

Paul learnt of the testaments from the Lord Himself and not from a man. Notice the bolded.

1Co 11:23-26 KJV For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

He was not there with the twelve apostles when they received it but notice that it was exactly the same thing he received from the Lord in his own revelation that the 12 received from the Lord while he was on earth, word for word, mussel for mussel.
No confusion, no variation. Indeed God is not an author of confusion. It is JWs that do that perfectly. LMAO.

At least now, everyone can see that whether God chooses to teach through men or through revelation of Jesus without human agency, He passes the same message.
Rozz please bring out better learned JWs. This guys are wasting the thread pages and my time.

DrLiveLogic:
No sir. Paul indeed learnt the OT from the Pharisees under Gamaliel. But what did he do with all that learning?(Phil3:5-8 ). He threw it in the bin and had to relearn everything at the feet of Christ. (Phil3:7-10).
He left behind the other Pharisees whose learning was opposed to the gospel and became a foremost preacher of the gospel for which they even tried to kill him again and again.
Don't you guys read the Bible?

He was taught all of gospel he preached to the gentiles by the Lord Himself and learnt nothing from other disciples either. You people should allow the man and stop denying his own words now. Is it by force?
Paul didn't go to learn the gospel from any man. Hear from him and stop disregarding the horse's mouth.
Gal 1:11-12 KJV But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:17 KJV Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

Even the ordinances of the gospel (communion, gifts of the spirit etc.) that Paul learnt were from the Lord Jesus.
Look again and learn, friend.
1Co 11:23-26 KJV 23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Do you see again that the same thing the apostles learnt from Jesus directly, Paul also learnt from Jesus by revelation and not from the disciples.

Accept the simple fact. Jesus teaches men directly by revelation. Any one who is afraid to let you learn directly from God but only wants you to learn from him is leading you to a cult.

You JWs don't study the scriptures, you just sit and learn what some elders tell you and none of you are bold enough to question any lie.

Hunchogee:
I keep asking why is only two of this Ibeno islands shown in Nigeria map and some maps don't even show any of these island or are there too small not to be shown .

I leave it to you guys to be the judge.

Find attached 2 different Nigeria map with two different views

DrLiveLogic:
Carnal minded man who cannot receive spiritual things. Did I not just show you that Jesus was on earth and heaven at the same time(Jn3:13) because He and the Father are one Being(Jn10:30, Deut6:4)
But because of His purpose of making man God, God took human form and became creaturely to show a creaturely way to become as the Creator.
This Creator becoming a Creature on earth is what is meant by Son while remaining the Creator in Heaven at the same time(Jn3:13) is what is called Father. It is One Being in two realms at the same time playing two roles.

achorladey:
DIVERSION mode activated. I told you earlier. The only thing you have to tell is PAUL is A LIAR.

[b]Who met PAUL FIRST before being asked to meet people. [/b]Are you not UNDERSTOODING

Maximus69:
Never mind about Rozz, she's not that dumb to notice where there is confusion!

At least go and reconcile with your fellow Trinitarians then you can comeback to tell us the definition you all agreed upon!

DrLiveLogic:
Lol. I don't care what you or anyone else conceives of Trinity. For all I know you could all be wrong. Even all of us could be wrong. But we're about to find out soon thanks to Rozz.

DrLiveLogic:
What's this. An all out attack from JWs. Lol. 20 goats will still scamper before one Lion. Lol. I hope Rozz is seated.

Hahahaha. The problem with you JWs is that you don't know God. You all think God is like a man or an angel who can't be in two places at and you wonder how God can be on earth and heaven at the same time.
Joh 3:13 KJV And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is (Greek: being) in heaven.
I bet y'all never knew Jesus said He was in two places at the same time. Earth and heaven at the same time.

I hear you ask what sense does this make?
Sit down you carnal minds and learn knowledge.
God's destiny for man is to make him in the image of God i.e. to be exactly as God is.
How can a creature who cannot conceive what the Creator is like become like the Creator except the Creator first becomes turns Himself into a creature and shows as a fellow creature, what the creature must do to become as the Creator.
Is this not the simple gospel? God became a man so that He can show man how to become God.
Read and learn.
Phi 2:6-7 6 Who, being in nature, God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Do you see clearly the mystery. Jesus was God because it is only God that is equal with God, no angel or creature is equal with God when God wanted to manifest as a creature. He gave up His divine reputation and took the form of flesh and blood to show men that only through the cross can men become God. (Let this mind be in you, Phil2:5)

Trinity is not 3 persons but One person who takes 3 stages to reveal Himself fully.

achorladey:
How did Paul become a Christian?

That was the QUESTION asked as a result of your brother Maximus69 saying.....So to become a Christian, someone must come to preach to you

You go DIVERT the whole thing now

DrLiveLogic:
What a big lie @ the bolded. Is that what the scripture taught you? How did Paul become a Christian? The journey for you is even farther than for OP if you don't know that Jesus is one with the Father and Spirit.
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

DrLiveLogic:
As in eh.
Even imagine Rozz asking if I'm ready for these shallow JW people who know neither the scriptures nor the power of God lol.

Btw, bro you can use the

DrLiveLogic:
Mat 10:32-33 KJV 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
This answer even makes you more suspicious. Whoever you're avoiding has an even greater reason to doubt you now.
And no true believer in Jesus is ever ashamed to acknowledge Him before men.
If you are really interested in learning here, you should state your stance and where your confusion lies so you can be helped. Is it that you don't believe that Jesus is the only true God? Is it that you know Jesus is the only true God but you don't know how the trinity works?

Otherwise, it's left for us to conclude you didn't really come to clear your doubts and learn anything but to drive a message for JW just like your topic looks.

solite3:
Elohim when as used in Genesis account actually denotes the plurality of the persons of the God head,
you can see the verse below

Genesis 1:26, KJV: "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

God is referring to himself as us here, the origin and literal use of Elohim is in plural sense.

Triune Pagan deity IDOL WORSHIPPERS, @ Genesis 1:26, God spoke to His Son.
Hebrews 1:1-2, gives the identity of the person who Yahweh spoke to.
In Hebrews 1:1-2, God is still referenced as "He, "His".. NOT WAYO Triune

solite3:
Genesis chapter one said, In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and the earth.
Elohim is a plural word which actually mean Gods but yet was used to describe just one being which mean that God is a multipersonal being there are loads of old testament that proves the multi personalities of God


Jesus didn't need to say it his life proved it.
Jesus proved he is God not only by his teachings but by his miracles, He often communicated with his father who is God and also refer to the Holy Spirit as a person.

solite3:
God is a Trinue personal being while humans are mono personal beings hence it is difficult for people to understand Trinity

Btycoon:
Good morning to you all. Am a regular here even though I don't comment but I read what I could on this platform. I am seriously in need of help from any angle on what I can do to solve this big problem am facing.

There is this lady have been dating for the past 7years now and due to this long relationship I made my intention known to her so she won't bother about marriage and also finding the right guy again. Now I do have sex with this girl in my dreams whenever I miss her or rather whenever we both miss ourselves,this has never happened to me before. Actually I have been faithful to her and she knows am not cheating and she isn't cheating also to my knowledge, but the continuous sex in dream with her is giving me depression. A Month before lockdown we didn't have anything and since lockdown started we haven't had any chance to meet she resides in Delta while I reside in Lagos due to lockdown and I can't even see her if the lockdown persist.
I thought of leaving her if that would solve the problem but as a man from where I went to for prayers if she would be a good wife and maybe we are compatible I was told she's good and I shouldn't say I want to leave her and also I have lost interest in having sex with any lady I just found her as the best I want.

Before, I used to have sex with her in dream like Ones a month or 3weeks if we didn't meet,now it is now Every week.

please help my life. I have prayed and I am not seeing anything positive yet. And she's the one I do see clearly in my dreams. Am just afraid.

please help me on what I can do and I don't want to masturbate to relieve myself before I sleep due to stories I do read on this platform of people seeking help to cure masturbation, that would be another problem and having sex in dreams usually cause infertility in man's sperm and spiritually means Lost of good things also.



Help me help me!!!! Please help me need advice .

NuclearReactor:
The word Trinity doesn't need to exist in the NT,
(1)
the whole concept of trinity is that God manifests himself in 3 personalities, each with distinct roles but same qualities.
Throughout the NT the 3 personalities are clearly stated...
(2)
But there was never any place where it was said that there are 3 distinct personalities...
Hope I made sense

kinethic:
My brother I dey admonish and witness ..no be fighting. Also I don't believe in Trinitarian .

kinethic:
The Holyspirit is what makes you a Christian. If you don't have the spirit of God in you ,you don't belong to God.

In addition to assure you that Jesus christ is God in the flesh read 1 Timothy 3:16.
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1ti.3.16.KJV

I am not angry but witnessing the truth .

freshboi88:
So Ephraim who is firstborn son isn't a creature abi nd Jesus who is a creature isn't a son....Kai!!!...

C as u dey mumu for the whole world to see

freshboi88:
In your mind u have made sense MUMU.

U just shout without making sense. So in all these firstborns, who did God create first?

Emusan:
You can see the way he explained away the term FIRSTBORN as being APPOINTED and having a FAVOR/ BLESSINGS over another which is the right interpretation of it in the scripture but still trying to explain Jesus as FIRSTBORN to mean FIRSTCREATED.

Look at this statement of his "Jesus , "the firstborn of every creature" earned the right of firstborn above every creature of God. Jesus obedience to his God and Father further earned him EXCLUSIVE Blessings above every son of God". Phil 2:9.

NOTICED that this simply means Jesus was APPOINTED as firstborn over all creations not that the verse means Jesus was the FIRSTCREATED being.

KNOWMORE56:
Referring to the other offices, either as a Priest or the Prophet (Hebrews4:14

"KJV:Seeing then that we have A GREAT HIGH PRIEST, that is passed into the heavens, JESUS the SON of God, let us hold fast our profession.

kinethic:
The problem with many people is that they use a part of scriptures that already confirmed their preconceived beliefs and ideas. Read the whole bible ,allow scriptures to interpret scriptures. Ask the Holyspirit to help you to understand..which I know Jehovah witness don't even believe in Holyspirit.

freshboi88:
Now I should go and quarrel with Yahweh.... frustration wants to finish u.

If both Ephraim and Jesus are called God's firstborn, then y did JW single out Jesus as first created and not Ephraim.

When u can reconcile that then u have a point, if u cannot, then ur doctrine n teachings when put under scrutiny are all lies

Freshboi is as DUMB as his GIBBERISH .

kinethic:
Arguing with you is like hitting head on the wall.
All the best.

finalboss:
where's jesusjnr budaatum

OLAADEGBU:
I know that the devotion you quoted has to do with birthdays and that got your attention. Do you like the way you was born? If not why not get born again and celebrate that day?

brocab:
So what you are saying the Watchtower have all rights to change the scriptures, just to suit themselves.-which of course they aren't spirit filled disciples-so really we have mire men without the spirit twisting and turning the gospel-how they please, ''and of course you chase after them..
You all write the scriptures-but none of you actually believe the scriptures are true, I find the Watchtower is like dealing with the blind..
We don't need Watchtower input, I have studied with the best of you-and still none know the NWT-you all try and use the KJ's version, and still you haven't the slightest idea, how the scriptures sound-to be honest I wouldn't dare ask the Holy Spirit to teach me the NW Translation., I find the KJ's-is God's Word, I just wish you all leave the bible alone-receive Jesus into your hearts and be saved..
The Watchtower began from Charles Russell, before that-he was a seven day Adventist, and died as a Mason! His own beliefs were, Michael the archangel became Jesus on earth, he couldn't find it in his heart that Jesus is who He say's He is-so Charles Russell wrote his own bible, to prove Jesus is just a mire angel and not a man...

brocab:
If you really understood your beliefs-it isn't just a book, matter of fact it was your beliefs that rewrote your own NWT version only because the Watchtower couldn't understand the bible in the first place.

For example, 1 Cor 3:23 NWT :
"In turn you belong to Christ. In turn, Christ belongs to God".

I challenge you Brocab to copy and post here
1 Corinthians 3:23 in his KJV Bible.
Let everyone confirm Brocab's FALSE, fictitious claims