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oteneaaron:
Children of Jehovah’s Witnesses submit report detailing sexual abuse - The Japan Times.

By Karin Kaneko

A group of children of Jehovah’s Witnesses submitted a report detailing sexual abuse within the religious organization to the Children and Families Agency on Tuesday and demanded that action be taken.

Based on a survey conducted on social media by the JW Child Abuse Damage Archive, the report said that the most common perpetrators of sexual abuse were “rank-and-file witnesses” and “elders,” with 35 respondents, who were minors when they were subject to abuse, saying that they believed they had been sexually abused by those in the organization.

“During a fellowship (the practice of socializing over a meal or tea) in our home, a witness came into my room, leaving us alone, pushed me onto the bed and almost had sexual intercourse with me,” one respondent said.

Such incidents mostly occurred at the victims’ homes and assembly halls, or Kingdom Halls, which are a place of worship for Jehovah's Witnesses. More than 90% of the abuse was carried out by members of the same congregation that met regularly.

achorladey:
I thought your WEREY peddling brains will bring the original statistics only to find out what you called fake statistics is a repetition of the numbers I provided . Just like your GODS always do lie against people then turn around 360 and deny those lies and later admit they lied.

What else can your WEREY peddling brains do other than to peddle your lies like a faithless miscreant peddler does.

To give you more room for werey peddlings

Total complaints for Roman Catholics....... 4444

Total complaints for Jehovah's Witnesses... 1800

Comparison to population.....

Catholics...... 0.000839789864

Jehovah’s Witnesses........ 0.0264705882

Ratio of Catholics to Jehovah’s. 1 : 31.5

OLAADEGBU:
The triune God of the Bible is utterly distinct from the gods of the world

Sand2022:
But there are more scriptures to consider on this subject that could reveal a different conclusion.

Let's first look at those who partook in the decision making in that meeting. The part that is often omitted by the JW leadership when making their claim is verse 22. Let's see who took part in the decision making, it says:

22 Then the apostles and the elders, together with the whole congregation, decided to send chosen men from among them to Antioch, along with Paul and Barʹna·bas; they sent Judas who was called Barʹsab·bas and Silas, who were leading men among the brothers."

Sand2022:
Yes, the apostles and the elders were there, but there were many others in the Jerusalem congregation that had a say in the decision making. In fact notice that this, let's call it council, decided to send representatives to those congregations. So it was not only apostles and elders. If we follow JW reasoning, it then means that the Governing Body is not just apostles and elders, but also members of the congregation. See also verse 4.

Sand2022:
There are others as well, perhaps they are also part of the congregation mentioned in verse 4 and 22. See verse 5

5 But some of those of the sect of the Pharisees who had become believers stood up from their seats and said: “It is necessary to circumcise them and command them to observe the Law of Moses.”

All these joined in the decision making. If we follow the JW logic, these should also be part of the Governing body.

Sand2022:
Another aspect that is often omitted is that even the men who went to Antioch and preached that wrong message is among the Governing Body as well. See how the bible puts it:

24 Since we have heard that some went out from among us and caused you trouble with what they have said, trying to subvert you, although we did not give them any instructions,"

Sand2022:

So these is not a governing body making decisions for the entire christians back then, this is much like a council, a snod, an ecumenical gathering of church leaders to settle doctrinal differences. These issue was settled between Leaders in Paul's territory and those at Jerusalem. The letter was not sent to Rome, Samaria, Colossi, Ethiopia, Babylon etc. So it was not to an entire Christian church functioning in the first century. True, the congregation in Jerusalem was unique, the whole christian movement began from there, the apostles who worked with Jesus worshiped there. Just as any General Overseer or founder of a church today dies, his close ministry team have much authority since they worked with the founder, so it is with the apostles.

Sand2022:
But they do not exercise the same possessive authority the GB of JWs exercise today. Notice what GB of JW say they do:

A. Oversee the preparation of bible-based instructions through the publications, Meetings, schools:

The question is, did the apostles oversee the preparation of bible based instructions prepared in the first century? No.

After preaching and making disciples without the authority of any Governing Body, Paul wrote a letter directly to the Corinthian congregation unilaterally. No GB approval. (1cor 1:1) That should in fact be Paul's second letter to that congregation. Among the things Paul handled without Governing body approval are: Congregation discipline (1cor 5), counsel on marriage and singleness (1cor 7), Instructions for orderly Congregation worship (1cor 11-14) etc. Paul on his own appointed representatives to the congregation he formed, namely, Timothy, Titus etc. He even wrote a letter to them, instructing them to remove disorderly ones, appoint elders and deacons, congregation fund use (1tim 5-6) etc. These men served as circuit overseers as JWs call it. But while GB of JWs appoint circuit overseers, Paul appointed those in his territory. He even gave them Circuit Overseer Manual eg, 1 and 2nd Timothy, the book of Titus.

So Paul have in himself all the functions the Governing body of JWs says they are overseeing. None of these instruction did he consult with the elders in Jerusalem. He was the General Overseer of the church he formed.

We can be sure that others who had congregations they formed back then had the same authority over the areas they formed, like Philip in Samaria, Epaphras in Colossi, Peter in Babylon, Barnabas later in Cyprus, etc.


B. They supervise the worldwide work of Jehovah’s Witnesses by directing our public ministry and overseeing the use of donated assets.

These too has no first century precedence.

Notice how Paul and Barnabas began what we will call a missionary work.

Acts 13
As they were ministering to Jehovah and fasting, the holy spirit said: “Set aside for me Barʹna·bas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”  3 Then after fasting and praying, they laid their hands on them and sent them off."

The holy spirit appointed them missionaries. So, what happened next? They ran to Jerusalem to get an approval? No. The elders in Antioch laid their hands, and off they went. They formed congregations, appointed elders and deacons and later Paul wrote them instructions as we see in point A.

After their missionary work, did they run to jerusalem? Again, no. See how chapter 14 said it:

From there they sailed off for Antioch, where they had been entrusted to the undeserved kindness of God for the work they had now completed. 27 When they had arrived and had gathered the congregation together, they related the many things God had done by means of them, and that he had opened to the nations the door to faith. 28 So they spent considerable time with the disciples."

They finished the work, and gathered the congregation. For what? To submit their report, lol. But not to the non existent GB, but to those who sent them, the elders in Antioch. And even their second missionary journey began from Antioch. And it is totally, I mean totally impossible for any person to be a missionary of JWs without the GB approval. Impossible!

What about donated fund? The apostles handled the fund in the congregation in Jerusalem, but did they handle worldwide congregation fund? No.

Read for yourself 1tim 5, you will see the instruction Paul gave to his circuit overseer, Timothy, on how to use that fund in helping the needy.

Acts 11:28-30 reported a case of famine where the disciples in Antioch considered sending relief to brothers in Jerusalem. 30 says:

30 and this they did, sending it to the elders by the hand of Barʹna·bas and Saul."

They made the contribution, they decided who will take it to the congregation in Jerusalem. Jerusalem didn't oversee how they use their fund.

Truly, there was no Governing Body, Jesus made appointment of who served as his steward, and those he appointed form congregations and cared for them as he directs them through the spirit.

What a shallow attempt to distort the holy scriptures!
Acts 9:26-28, Oga was Paul playing Ludo & Draft when he spent some time with the Apostles?

Did you not read Paul named God's will & Sosthenes for his Apostleship?

After his conversion @ Acts 9:1-9, did Jesus direct Paul to set up a sole proprietor pastorpreneur venture?

Oga,go & study your Bible very well, let JWs help you.

Sand2022:
In there Frequently Asked Question, the Witnesses explains what the Governing Body means:

"The Governing Body is a small group of mature Christians who provide direction for Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide. Their work is twofold:


They oversee the preparation of Bible-based instruction through the publications, meetings, and schools of Jehovah’s Witnesses.​—Luke 12:42.


They supervise the worldwide work of Jehovah’s Witnesses by directing our public ministry and overseeing the use of donated assets.


The Governing Body follows the pattern set by “the apostles and elders in Jerusalem” in the first century, who made important decisions on behalf of the entire Christian congregation. (Acts 15:2) Like those faithful men, the members of the Governing Body are not the leaders of our organization. They look to the Bible for guidance, acknowledging that Jehovah God has appointed Jesus Christ as the Head of the congregation.​—1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:​23."


From what they said here, we see what they mean when the term Governing Body is used. Few scriptures is quoted here to back up their claim but that doesn't mean that there are no other scriptures they use to support their view. My interest is on the scripturalness of the claim. Was there a body who served the function as the Governing body of Jehovah's witnesses do today? Let's see.

The chief reason they see things this way is because of what happened in the first century about the circumcision. It all started from the verse they cited, acts 15;2. Let's read from verse 1:

"Now some men came down from Ju·deʹa and began to teach the brothers: “Unless you get circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”  2 But after quite a bit of dissension and disputing by Paul and Barʹna·bas with them, it was arranged for Paul, Barʹna·bas, and some of the others to go up to the apostles and elders in Jerusalem regarding this issue."

The point the above publication wants to make is that the case was referred to the apostles and the elders in Jerusalem to make the decision. According to JW, these apostles and elders constitute the governing body in the first century that made decisions for the entire congregation back then. Reading through the whole chapter, one might feel that verse 23 give credence to this view. It says:

23 They wrote this and sent it through them: “The apostles and the elders, your brothers, to those brothers in Antioch, Syria, and Ci·liʹcia who are from the nations: Greetings!"

And reading further, we also noticed that Paul and Barnabas went on distributing these decision to the brothers as Acts 16;4 reported. From JW view, these shows that there were men in Jerusalem who made decisions for the entire worldwide christians of the first century.

So, the Governing Body follow their lead.

MightySparrow:
Dó you mean GB political party?

Which verse and chapter did your own Bible approve your pastorpreneurs sole proprietorship venture with wifey and children in line of succession?

Sparrow ,Abeg carry your IBERIBEISM outta here joor.

achorladey:
I hope you are not looking at this base on population of members and not upon cases reported and documented.

Let me help you see what is on ground. In Australia for example....

Catholic population..... 5,291,800
Alleged perpetrators...... 1880

Jehovah’s Witnesses population........ 68,000
Alleged perpetrators......... 1006

See the ratio

Catholic..... 0.000355266639

Jehovah’s Witnesses.........0.0147941176


From the above you will see how widespread it is in the communities of Jehovah's Witnesses than those of the Catholics

Don't ever think it is by population size. Despite how low the population of Jehovah's Witnesses is in that country they have large alleged perpetrators

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahahahahaha

Bring your evidence.

No by mouth.

Bring your evidence and prove that I am a "Hunded fugitive seeking asylum"

😅😅😅

achorladey:
Werey peddler hiding behind the parents of oteneaaron

achorladey:
werey peddler peddling mumu and wailings alongside sifia pains you have just peddle the werey in your brains by telling us what was done in 1 Corinthians 5: 1 - 3 is a license to commit all sort of atrocities in your "Jehovah's organisation". Werey peddling too much for your brains.

achorladey:
werey peddler as usual when I bring evidence you will screenshot it as evidence as truth from the person you call liars and apostates like your GODS call others liars and apostates only for them to turn 360 to say those they say are liars and apostates are indeed telling the truth and teach the truth.

You go peddle wailings with sifia pains tire with your werey peddling brains.

OLAADEGBU:
Are you a believer?

oteneaaron:
Did the true shepherd ask you to rape young children?

In Australia alone, there are over 1000 Jehovah's Witnesses who have raped over 1800 children.

Now the Japanese Government is on your case - - https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/11/28/japan/society/jehovas-witnesses-sexual-abuse-report/

From the allegation of ARC, that is about 1% or close to it, according to ARC Report.
The bile in your evil heart, sifia pains

While Australia Royal Commission (ARC) investigated & indicted sporting institutions, educational institutions, youth Organizations,q faith based Organizations in Australia with astronomical proportions of child abuse.

Oteneaaron Courz because of the anger issues in your sick heart, you are WAILING upandan about JWs.

cornelboy:
Which of Jesus's apostles believed in "God is one being in plurality of persons"

oteneaaron:
Na only explain him go explain tire.

😅😅

He has no single strand of evidence.

You are well known on social media.

Hunded fugitive seeking asylum, make I just continue to respect your JW parents.

oteneaaron:
This is the question they can't sit down ask themselves.

Instead, they stick their heads in the sand and defend the sexual abuse of children.

Such a show of shame.

REMOVE 1 Corinthians 5:1-2 from your Bible and your Sifia pains.

Or continue WAILING and LYING.

MightySparrow:
How is the only pure religion of the only 'anointed' be involved in child abuse? We can still take those of us that don't claim to be perfect?

HYPOCRITE WAILING,is 1 Corinthians 5:1-2 in your Bible?
Go DELETE it.

Sifia pains of a WAILING HYPOCRITE while his gods of men continue abuse of children and defile married women in their matrimonial homes. (screenshot PROVEN evidence)

MightySparrow:
You even claim that Jesus is going to kill us at Armageddon. When did Jesus tell you that?

Sparrow,if your hands and heart is clean, Sparrow would have been happy that Jesus revelation of Armageddon (Revelation 16:14-16) in his Bible is not a cause for alarm.

Nah criminal dey fear Olokpa sirens.

achorladey:
To further expose their hypocrisy, they will run and hire the same very institutions defending Catholics over the years on this same very issue to seek advice and counsel to manoeuvre their way around it. Leveraging on the experience of how they helped the Catholics to survive on this same issue

No evidence.

Sifia pains of a WAILING HYPOCRITE

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahahahaha

What an irony!

Such disgusting hypocrites.

Sifia pains of a mysogynist WAILING HYPOCRITE. .

oteneaaron:
Oh yes you're right.

Religious organizations in general are a breeding ground for child sexual abuse.

The issue with Jehovah's Witnesses is how they choose to handle this epidemic of child sexual abuse.

Instead of reporting these cases to the police immediately they happen, they would rather keep it hush hush so as not to tarnish the image of their religion.

capnies:
IF THIS IS POSSIBLE AMONG JWS THEN THE PERCENTAGE IN PENTECOSTAL AND CATHOLIC CHURCHES WILL BE OVER 80%

Oga Capnies, no mind these sifia pained WAILERS who form kangaroo courts against JWs to spread FALSE claims.

Did these 2 Screenshots PROVEN that both Oteneaaron and achorladey are LIARS?

Yes indeed!

As you can see from both screenshots PROVEN evidence every JW must report child abuse to the Police.

Do you expect Zlatan Ibrahimovich to praise Pep Guardiola?
Frosty relationship, sifia pains & bile in their hearts.
Oteneaaron Achorladey can't move on.
WAILERS forever !

achorladey:
signed sealed and delivered that your GODS and their adherents are involved in all of the above mentioned. Looool!

achorladey:
Look at him running helter skelter to hide the very same thing they used in condemning other religious organization and classified them as false religion.

1 Corinthians 5:1-3 delete it from your Bible.

MUMU WAILER in sifia pains.

OLAADEGBU:
God is one being in a plurality of persons.

OLAADEGBU:
"Jesus placed himself and the holy spirit on the same level as the Father"

OLAADEGBU LYING again to himself

Oga, is John 14:28 spoken by Jesus in your own Bible?

Is the teaching of 1 Corinthians 11:3 in your Bible?

3 deities devotee DECEIVING HIMSELF

MightySparrow:
- Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Heb.12.14

Can you see why I have been hammering on their delusion ?

They are claiming they are peace loving people but lacking in holiness.

Let them continue in their delusion.

Mumu Sparrow Hypocrite, go and clear the mess of your gods of men abusing minors and defiling their marriage bed with atrocious iniquities.
Screenshot proven evidences.

Sparrow,Hammer your delusions, hypocrite

oteneaaron:
What is it with Jehovah's Witnesses and Child sexual abuse?

They have many child abuse cases in court hanging in their necks - In the USA, in Australia, in England and now in Japan!

Between the Catholic church and Jehovah's Witnesses, who has a higher score of child sexual abuse cases in court?

Makes you think right?

Mumu man expelled from UK university for fraud & mysogyny,
Continue practicing your bigotry & spill the bile in your heart.
If you get liver, name any other faith based organization you have opened series of threads to rant about on this forum.

Everyone knows oteneaaron/courz have anger/mental health issues

oteneaaron:
Pedophilia is a real pandemic in the Jehovah Witness religion.

oteneaaron:
The stench of the their hypocrisy is too strong.

Now Japan has joined the mix.

OLAADEGBU:
When Paul calls Jesus the first-born, He is saying that Jesus has all the rights of the first-born and that He has the first-born status of supremacy and preeminence.  When Paul adds that He is the first-born of all creation, He is merely specifying what Christ's preeminence (i.e., His first-born status) applies to -- namely, all creation.
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OLAADEGBU:
Furthermore, this passage clearly teaches Christ's deity.  Since the Uncreated Creator alone created all things (Isaiah 44:24; Hebrews 3:4), and Colossians tells us that Christ is the Creator, we can then conclude that Jesus is the Uncreated Creator.
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OLAADEGBU:
Other Bible scholars have demonstrated that the word "born" does not mean to be "created" when we look at it from Jesus' title "Son of God."  Don't misconstrue this to mean that Jesus Christ must have come into existence at some point and that He is less than God, thinking that He is the Son of God, and not God, in just the same way that a human son comes into existence after their human father.  This might sound plausible at first, but upon proper observation it becomes clear that this cannot be the case. The Bible is very clear in defining the title Son of God" to mean that Jesus is of the same nature as God, just like a child is of the same nature as their parent.  And if Jesus Christ has God's nature, then He is, by definition, God, and therefore without a beginning.

If you have your father's nature,then you are by definition your own father.
When you reject the holy scriptures ,shut down your thinking cap & cleave tight to your man made delusion invented by the Council of Nicene.

OLAADEGBU:
And it can be distinctly seen from Genesis 49:3 that the meaning "priority of birth" or in "in time" [b]has been overshadowed and even sometimes lost to the implication of the term meaning "supremacy" or "preeminence."  [/b]In other words, one does not have to have been "born first" to be called "first-born" because the term's primary meaning came to be "preeminence" and "supremacy," sometimes with nothing to do about birth." .

OLAADEGBU:
What does the title "first-born" mean?

Read what reputable Bible scholars say:

"This title refers to Christ's preeminent position and sovereignty over creation, not that He Himself is a part of creation.

OLAADEGBU:
In the Old Testament, the first-born had certain rights and a certain status, such as preeminence, a double share of the inheritance, the right of the priesthood, and supremacy.  .

@ Genesis 49:3,Who gave the first born his rights in the old testament?
@ John 17:7, who gave Jesus his rights as first born?

Is God his Father a first born of anybody?
Deluded devotees of POLYTHEISM

OLAADEGBU:
In the corrupted bible of the JWs they have "In the beginning was the word and the word was a god".

In the corrupted Bible of TRINITARIANS they put "God" at John 10:33 when the PROVEN evidences reveal that John 10:33 reads "a god".

Emphatic Diaglott ,Rotherham Bible,Sahidic Coptic Bible and NWT are very correct at John 1:1.

Confused TRINITARIANS, continue DECEIVING YOURSELVES.

OLAADEGBU:
Paul was not teaching that Jesus Christ is a created being because he further taught that Jesus Christ was really the Creator of all things. 

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OLAADEGBU:
If all things were created by Christ, He  cannot be created, otherwise there is something that Christ did not create and this verse would be in error when it states that Christ created all things.

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OLAADEGBU:
Hebrews 1:10 and John 1:3 confirms that:

The Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator of everything that has been created and thus He must not be created, but God.

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DUBIOUS TRINITARIAN DECEIVING HIMSELF and TWISTING the holy scriptures.

Hebrews 1:10 is a copy of the Psalms refering to JEHOVAH God.

Greek word "dia antou" meaning " through him (Jesus is the agency/Instrumentality of creation) is at John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2, 1Cor 8:6.
These scriptures are shedding more light on Isaiah 44:24 but TRINITARIANS refused to accept the holy scriptures.
You said Jesus is 2nd person in your 3 deities you Worshipping & at the breath you push aside his God, JEHOVAH & install Jesus.
Coup plotters .

Because 1 Corinthians 11:3 & John 17:7 no dey Una Bibles.


Is God his Father anybody's "first born?
Oga,Stop capping GIBBERISH.

OLAADEGBU:
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You can see from the following points that Paul was not teaching that Jesus was created and he was definitely not saying that He was the firstborn of all creation:

OLAADEGBU:
Birth and creation are not equivalent terms.  For example, the Bible teaches that Jesus was born of a virgin, but this does not mean that Jesus was created the day He was born of Virgin Mary and since birth and creation happen at different times, they cannot mean the same thing.

OLAADEGBU'S weak & faulty analogy.

Hebrews 1:6 "God brings His first born into the world" from the spirit realm.

Hebrews 1:6,Jesus Christ is the first born of God in the spirit realm.
God told the other angels,"pay homage to him", according to Catholic New Jerusalem Bible.
Go & verify.

In other words Jesus Christ was born first in the spirit realm,he is an angel of the Lord JEHOVAH.
Genesis 16:7 Bible commentaries of TRINITARIANS PROVEN this evidence.
Oga,go & argue with your fellow Trinitarians.

OLAADEGBU:
There are two different Greek words for "first-born" and "first-created" and Paul used the word which means "first-born" not "first-created"