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OLAADEGBU:
Was Jesus created?


"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers:  all things were created by him, and for him. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.."  (Colossians 1:12-17).

Now let's focus on Colossians 1:15:

Does Colossians 1:15 highligted above teach that Jesus was created?

You will see here that Jesus is called the "first-born" of all creation.   The term "first-born" here does not imply "first-created" those two words mean two different things.   

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DUBIOUS TRINITARIAN GIBBERISH .

If Psalms 90:2 says "before the mountains were first BORN, will OLAADEGBU claim that the mountains was not created?

Oga, you are LYING to your soul.
Everyone BORN is a creature.

Every first BORN is a creature, Jesus Christ is. Colossians 1:15 is NOT rocket science joor.

OLAADEGBU:
Is Jesus God?

In John 8:58 Jesus says,

"Before Abraham was, I am."

I AM was the most revered divine name of God in the Old Testament (Ex. 3:14). Christ was not merely claiming that He existed before Abraham, but that He was still in existence before Abraham. Dr. A.T. Robertson, one of the greatest Greek scholars who ever lived, had this to say about John 8:58 after translating it "I am":

"Undoubtedly here Jesus claims eternal existence with the absolute phrase used of God."

OLAADEGBU LYING & DECEIVING HIMSELF .

That FALSEHOOD & TRINITARIAN GIBBERISH had been debunked & REJECTED by the Hebrews long before OLAADEGBU was born.

The evidences PROVEN by the screenshots.
The Hebrews say "I will be what I will be" @ Exodus 3:14 DOESN'T mean "I am".
Your MUMU scholar DECEIVING YOU.

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How dare you force a Yoruba man or Hebrew man to accept your own meaning of a word in his language?

More so, when Jesus Christ have already PROVEN himself is a Servant in heaven, @ Revelation 3:12 & Acts 3:13

OLAADEGBU:
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Objection 7: The Trinity Is Pagan

Some cults have claimed the doctrine of the Trinity is rooted in ancient paganism in Babylon and Assyria.

In response, the Babylonians and Assyrians believed in triads of gods who headed up a pantheon of many other gods. These triads constituted three separate gods (polytheism), which is utterly different from the doctrine of Trinity that maintains that there is only one God (monotheism) with three persons within the one Godhead.

OLAADEGBU:
Was Jesus created?

This is another half truth and lie that the Watchtower magazine use in deceiving folks that Jesus Christ was created and not begotten. Let's study the bible text below to arrive at the truth.

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achorladey:
and your werey peddling brains still running away from the part that says that Michael is not created and that Michael is eternal one. Loool

OLAADEGBU:
It is crystal clear that Yahweh was one of three persons that appeared to Abram just as the scripture says.

achorladey:
The peddling peddler who say they are not part of Christendom will tell Johnw47 who to acknowledge in Christendom.

OLAADEGBU:
This is why I insist that JW organisation is a cult:

Some other cults and false religions object that because Jesus said the Father is "greater" than Him (John 14:28), this must mean Jesus is a lesser God. Biblically, however, Jesus is equal with the Father in His divine nature (John 10:30). He was positionally lower than the Father from the standpoint of His becoming a servant by taking on human likeness (Philipians 2:6-11). Positionally, then, the Father was "greater" than Jesus. -AIG

OLAADEGBU:
You have just removed all doubts that you truly belong to a dangerous cult.

You have just removed all doubts that you truly do NOT use your God given brain.

My brother asked you an intelligent, salient question to make his point.

But you resort to DECEIVE YOURSELF.

oteneaaron:
Their biggest enemies are their own publications.

Every single thing they have accused other religious groups of doing, they have done way worse.

Such disgusting hypocrites.

Emusan:
Then you don't need to provide that Watchtower link.

Were you the one who created others before you wailed and pass your judgement on them? Hypocrite!

So you know this.

Absolutely!

Yet your organisation claimed THEY DON'T KNOW. This thrown your lie lie ONE LINE OF THOUGHT in the mud

But you couldn't leave others to God to worry about, hypocrite!

The most important thing is about this thread not your delusion.

Do new born babies go to heaven when they die?

God's word from man's fall to salvation to reign with Christ has been concluded and documented, claiming you don't know some details is the lies your organisation is using to deceive you through LIGHT GETTING BRIGHTER nonsense.

I've done that in previous thread when I even gave you and your deluded brothers Bible study using Watchtower articles.

Just that you're too blind to see.

Where did you get this from?

Your cup of coffee

At least I'm more reasonable than you.



Again, where did you get this from?

Emusan LYING WAILER "blessed" with poor comprehension skills.

The points that Watchtower link discussed about, have nothing to worry your FALSE claims on this forum.

There is difference between unborn foetus & an infant.

The Bible does not say anything about resurrection of the unborn (foetus) that died in the womb or by miscarriage.

As regards this thread, heaven is not a home for dead infants and toddlers, but the grave.

However,JEHOVAH will raise to life the dead infants & toddlers born to his Servants, John 5:28 cover them.

johnw47:
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorn bushes under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


cannot ever stop lying lost fraud jw janosky

you say: "God's active is powerful & empowered JEHOVAH'S Servants." < such ongoing confusion, of course:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

MightySparrow:
Kingdom Hall of lies

johnw47:
fearful lost fraud jw janosky didn't even have that to say to me, he edited post later,
he just posted two cartoons that had nothing to do with the truth i posted, he such a coward

MightySparrow:
It amuses me when the likes of Maximum madness and Janosky are ranting here. I have their members around me. My own blood brother was ousted out of his house by his wife and children. The wife was born into Jehovah's Witnesses's family. He too joined and married there. With the unforgiveness in them, they are still qouting irrelevant scriptures.
This people and hypocrisy are Siamese twins.

Sparrow & WAILING nah Siamese Twins.


Oga Sparrow you go & settle the rift in the Family of your fellow Trinitarians who accused your gods of men of meddling,aiding and abetting the conflict in his home.

Nah your assignment be that..........
HYPOCRITE wey tie HYPOCRISY like gele

achorladey:
Rinse and repeat tactics, deny, lie that it is not the truth and no evidence about your lies packed into your WEREY peddling brains. When I your WEREY peddling brains evidence you will screenshot to use as truth for others just like you have done some minutes ago. Problem of allowing sandfill to be packed into your WEREY brains



You are still peddling your mumu and no get sense question that your committee of madness and insanities peddling peddlers were too ashamed to raise their heads that you could raise such a question?


You werey pro max peddling brains cannot remove that gibberish from your sandfill brains

MightySparrow:
These lazy zealots would not read their own history and be making noise on the pages of Nairaland platform.

They build their faith on delusion.

johnw47:
Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


lost fraud jw janosky

God's finger is a phrase referring to The Holy Spirit

Act 1:8  but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you;

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

achorladey:
When I shared it your now upgraded werey peddling brains denied it and call it lies and buttered about your ex now you want to colour it were expelled when even up till today many of such are still housed in your Jehovah’s organization carrying out such acts with reckless abandon aided by the policies and procedures of your GODS

achorladey:
he same werey peddler who told us the other day that the apostles were teaching and practicing wrong doctrines now wants to change mouth and add more lies and manipulations when cornered as usual. You see your IBERIBEISM peddlings in your WEREY peddling brains

achorladey:
In the course of events, while A·polʹlos was in Corinth, Paul went through the inland regions and came down to Ephʹe·sus. There he found some disciples and said to them: “Did you receive holy spirit when you became believers?” They replied to him: “Why, we have never heard that there is a holy spirit


Let's rephrase

In the course of events, while A·polʹlos was in Corinth, Paul went through the inland regions and came down to Ephʹe·sus. There he found some disciples and said to them: “Did you receive force when you became believers?” They replied to him: “Why, we have never heard that there is a force

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The disciples received God's finger also known as the hand of God in Ezra 7:28 & Ezekiel 37:1.

"You will receive power when God's finger comes upon you", Jesus promised the disciples,Acts 1:8.

Power & active force are inseparable.

Awon werey WAILER

achorladey:
Let's see what the WEREY peddler has to say....

He asked to confirm the fact that your brains are now functional at werey peddlings after being upgraded from mumu and no get sense peddling

We know it is not a business center in your werey peddling brains but in the brains of the GODS that upgraded your brains from mumu and no get sense peddling,they know kingdom halls are sitting huge sums of money all over the world and are being sold out repeatedly as the need for more money arise and their favourite customers all these while are those you call Pastorpreneurs. Sellers of kingdom halls dedicated to JEHOVAH

From my comment above you and your GODS are involved in same line of business. They equally breed buyers and sellers of properties in your midst. Alabara and Alagbata

Finally your response to the post shows what those christendom do freely and your madness and insanities peddling brother aka MaxInDHouse says should be done in Christianity is what you don't do. Hypocrites and hypocrisy peddling from your WEREY peddling brains

achorladey:
lies like prominent members of "Jehovah's organisation" are fornicators, child abusers, wife swappers and beaters, drunkards e.t.c

Achorladey IBERIBEISM and LYING.


He shared this screenshot PROVEN evidence that those involved in those unholy practices were EXPELLED, according to 1 Corinthians 5:1-13.


Because Peter and Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus Christ meant that the disciples were betrayers?

Achorladey IBERIBEISM Pro max.

MaxInDHouse:
This is the proof that someone has or does not have faith:

Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1

What did God promise that you're expecting to see as evidence of God's Hold Spirit in action even though you can see it?

God promised that in the last days individuals from different nations will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers after studying the Bible {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} and they will relate as if they're speaking the same language! Zephaniah 3:9

Nobody needs to tell you that this is what all FAITHFUL PEOPLE should be out there looking for to be sure that those involved in such thing are under the control of God's Hold Spirit since they're also imperfect humans like all others.

So whatever makes you see it but keep speaking against it means you're FAITHLESS, that's exactly what Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis in the first century failed to see but common Jews like Peter, Matthew, Philip, Thomas, John and the rest saw with their minds eyes! Matthew 13:16

MightySparrow:
Dó you have faithmeter , how dare you say I don't have faith because I don't buy into your delusion?!

The evidence of your delusion speaking for itself.

You sprayed the life of your deities to cure Covid 19 & every night on your doorstep before you sleep because Deuteronomy 20:4, Joshua 1:9 & Psalms 91 are NEVER enough for you.

FAITHLESS miscreant.

MightySparrow:
The GB are master deceivers. Just listen to them talk. This people ehn?!
MaximumSide is mumunized.

Aemmyjah:
Lol
Drunk ke?
Keep listening to lies

achorladey:
Faithless miscreants peddling peddler alongside your upgraded werey peddling brains, you can only ask questions again when you saw what is contained in Romans 13:4.

Your shame peddling and shamelessness will not end today

OLAADEGBU:
Way to go!

ALL the FALSEHOOD that FAITHLESS miscreant typed there about Armageddon whereas Revelation 16:14,16 is in your own Bible.

Aside other GIBBERISH in Achorladey's head. ;

This is the way your delusion is cast on marble.

Kumuyi slave nah anywhere FAITHLESS miscreants face or follow..

achorladey:
your werey peddling brains upgraded from mumu and no get sense cannot comprehend the answer as captured in Romans 13:4......

For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, AGENTS of wrath to BRING PUNISHMENT on the wrongdoer.


After reading the above the floor is still open for you werey peddling brains to add more delusions alongside your wailings and sifia pains. Looool!

OLAADEGBU:
This thread is for ardent sincere seekers of the truth not for those whose minds are already made up and do not want to be confused with the facts. You can kindly open a thread that caters to your indoctrination where you and your fellow deluded folks entertain yourselves.

Kingsnairaland:
You are merely talking from your sensual experience mindset side and this is not biblical your words don't correspond to scripture

And I can show it to you but first.
Read all the pages of the way I explain this saving grace here we are in page 12


If after reading them you still insist that once saved is not saved then you tell me

Then I will ask you one question to show you how your statement are wrong.

Kingsnairaland:
I think many years ago I asked you can a force speak.
This is the principle I used in bringing out one guy from Jehovah witnesses.

"The Report said", "the newspaper Editorial said. "Mr Ola told this newspaper"
Oga, is the Report a person speaking?
Is the newspaper Editorial a person speaking?
Is this newspaper a person speaking to Mr Ola?(Screenshots PROVEN evidences).

Jesus Christ has told you that holy spirit is God's finger.
"God's hand is upon him" is a common expression in your own Bible (meaning God's holy spirit is upon him).

Does God's finger have a mouth to speak to you?
Does God's finger grieve?
Oga, personification is very common in your own Bible.
Please learn the lessons in the Screenshots & stop DECEIVING YOURSELF.


If your claim is true,The so called guy nah follow follow wey no dey study Bible.