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But Katz, we can make a textbook ou of your arguments o. You sabi write epistle sha. Trusted your kiriji war would surface sha. Abi u fight for that war ni. You sabi that war like tortoise and iyannibo story

icez: *Breaks bottle and throws first chair*
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Nice Presentation.

Adedibu or Tokyo or eleweomo? Which one u be?

Insightful note by one of the judges:

1, Presentation (opening, flow, closing, response to questions)

Katsumoto: 3 out of 4

Obinoscopy: 3 out of 4

I thought that both Katsumoto and Obinoscopy had  a good opening and closing for their opening arguments and had a polished overall presentation. Both also gave good responses to questions posed by coogar, Malcolm-X, Prof Corruption, HNosegbe, Dede1, larride and myself according to their perspective. In this area, I would rate it a tie and add that they both performed well.

2, Logic of arguments

Katsumoto: 3 out of 4

Obinoscopy: 2 out of 4

In this area, I think both Katsumoto and Obinoscopy had good points though I give the edge to Katsumoto. Obinoscopy's argument that many of the problems that Nigeria faces aren't directly as a result of amalgamation and also that some of these problems would arise anyway definitely had some merit. Also his argument that attempts to bring diverse peoples under a central authority over a wide area by pre-colonial empires in Nigeria mean that the amalgamation was not a historical mistake but something that could/would probably have happened naturally was an interesting perspective, however it's not clear to me that the manner in which different/distinct groups were put under a central authority by those empires can really be compared to a direct amalgamation like that of modern Nigeria, so I don't think the the comparison there is necessarily appropriate. Also, Obinoscopy's example of Somalia as a basically mono-ethnic country with one religion that is still a massive failure is a particularly good point in favor of his stand that the amalgamation of diverse and distinct peoples is not necessarily the source of all the woes and problems a developing country would face. However, on the whole, I felt that Katsumoto's arguments (I am not going to repeat/summarize all of them, as that would be a long summary), and his defenses of them, were more logically convincing, especially his references to the specific effects of the amalgamation as far as sectionalism and his examples from around the world of places where a lack of ethnic homogeneity has resulted in ethnic strife and violence.

3, Strength of facts, examples, cases

Katsumoto: 4 out of 4

Obinoscopy: 3 out of 4


Both brought numerous facts to bear in defense of their positions, but I would give the edge to Katsumoto here as he brought several more specific facts to bolster his position, went into detailed examples as necessary, used facts and specific cases slightly more effectively in his arguments, and included his sources (and although that is not necessary for a debate, it does improve the presentation/appearance of a debater's performance and give assurance to debate watchers/readers that the claims that are being made have a factual basis or can be checked against a source.)

4, Persuasiveness

Katsumoto: 3 out of 4

Obinoscopy: 3 out of 4

Katsumoto and Obinoscopy both analyzed the situation from multiple angles, instead of just relying on one single line of argument and both defended their perspectives tenaciously. I would say that both debaters made very persuasive arguments for their perspectives and I think it was basically even in this area.

5, Demonstration of knowledge and understanding of the subject

Katsumoto: 4 out of 4

Obinoscopy: 3 out of 4

Both had good knowledge and understanding of the subject, with Katsumoto getting a higher score in my view because, although both drew upon history and current politics (national and international) for their arguments, Katsumoto demonstrated a knowledge and understanding of the issues surrounding the amalgamation and its historical effects that had a bit more depth (in my view) than that demonstrated by Obinoscopy.

CONSOLIDATED RESULTS

Kats. Obin.
Presentation. 9. 10
Logic. 10. 8
Facts. 11. 8
Persuasiveness. 8. 10
Knowledge. 11. 10
TOTAL. 49/60. 46/60

WINNER BY CRITERIA
Presentation - Obinoscopy
Logic - Katsumoto
Facts - Katsumoto
Persuasiveness - Obinoscopy
Knowledge - Katsumoto

3-2 in favour of Katsumoto

Winner by judges
2-1 in favour of Katsumoto

On behalf of my respected partner, OAM4J, and the entire Nairaland officials, I hereby declare KATSUMOTO as the winner of the October maiden edition of Nairaland Political debate. A very tough contest, great challenge by Obinoscopy.

See you guys in November by God's grace.

Thanks everyone.

Floor now open for the chair-throwers

Judge C

Kats. Obin.
Presentation. 3. 3
Logic. 3. 2
Facts. 4. 3
Persuasiveness. 3. 3
Knowledge. 4. 3
TOTAL. 17. 14

Judge B

Kats. Obin.
Presentation. 4. 4
Logic. 4. 3
Facts. 4. 3
Persuasiveness. 3. 4
Knowledge. 4. 4
TOTAL. 19. 18

RESULTS

Judge A

Kats. Obin.
Presentation. 2. 3
Logic. 3. 3
Facts. 3. 2
Persuasiveness. 2. 3
Knowledge. 3. 3
TOTAL. 13. 14

Ladies and gentlemen, the debate is hereby officially declared closed.

Only 2 judges have sent their reports.

We still await scores from Ibime and PhysicsQED.

Pls send to oam4j@yahoo.com and jarusnairaland@yahoo.com.

Thread closed till we have full results. Next post is results. Pls stay tuned. Meanwhile, discussions may continue in planning thread.

PhysicsQED's results received, we are waiting on Ibime pls.

Judges,

I hope you are almost through with your preliminary ratings now. After the ddebaters are through with answering final questions we would declare the debate closed, pls send your scores immediately to oam4j@yahoo.com and jarusnairaland@yahoo.com.

OAM4J will collate and announce results here immediately all the judges' results come in

While that is on, let debaters continue to answerr questions directed at them. We would blow the final whistle soon.

Viewers/audience may now throw questions to the debaters.

Pls specify who the question is directed at.

Only 2 questions will be entertained based on 'fastest hand' principle.

A debater can respond to the question immediately the question is visible.

Does any other judge have a question for the debaters?

The session is still on questions from judges. The window closes in the next 10 minutes.

Debaters, pls respond to question(s) posted at you as soon as the question is visible.

Judges, you may now throw your questions to the debaters.

In the unfortunate absence without excuse of the other 2 contestants, the race remains between Obinoscopy and Katsumoto.

The debaters may now take on each other's arguments.

Pls only debaters and coordinators are allowed to post now. Any other poster risks ban. Read the instruction well pls.

The debate is herely declared open.

Debaters, pls post your arguments.

[quote author=Sisi_Kill]Nigerians sha! We know how to ignore the important issue. See people arguing back and forth while the important questions remain unanswered.

@OP
What car does the wifey normally cruise?

How often do you cruise the beemer?

Does wifey get to cruise the beemer?

How do you decide who cruises what when?

Are the Beemer and the Merc the only available cruising options? If yes, why? If no...could you please list them?

How good does the Nat Cole CD sound in the Beemer? Have you played the CD in the Merc? How do they compare?

What obvious differences are there between the Merc 600 and say a Merc 500. Please list at least 3.

Finally, you didn't mention what series the Beemer is....so if you don't mind we would like that too.

Thanks in advance.[/quote]Judge sisi, pls we need your confirmation at the debate thread.

Lagos is a place where everyone is too fast and impatient and always looking for shortest cut to anything.

Places/people I never gave a thought
-workplace(colleagues)
-open campus
-mates in universities
-Facebook(too artificial for my liking)

Combed Nairaland
Attending introduction/wedding ceremonies
Flashing back to those I had crush for in primary, secondary schools, to try reconnect
Friends' recommendations
Family recommendations
Shadowed at a couple of universities' MSSN programmes

Interestingly, the eventual right one did not come from any of the above conscious. It came while returning home in annoyance when 'one caught in wedding ceremony' fall my hand

[quote author=FAST-LINK]I hope we are having a separate thread for this? and if I may add, It'd be lovely if the debaters could be given the privileges to lock and unlock the thread each time they make their comments to defeat some of us that have Ph.d in threads derailing.
cheers![/quote]Derail the proceedings and get IP(life) ban.

eGuerrilla: Jarus,

It is much regret that I write to inform you I would be unable to adjucate in today/tomorrow's proceedings.
This is due solely to a domestic situation which compelled a 10-hour road trip overnight.
I am currently using a borrowed laptop as I am away from base, and would simply be too constrained to make any valuable input this weekend.

To all debaters/judges, I say: please try to live up to the promise of this august occasion

Thanks for your early notice. We should be able to get 5 available judges.

[quote author=J.Sparrow]Lol at all this meat encounters, if one of this peeps choke to death cos of meat wonder what they would tell God. Lol. Eat fish its healthier with less hassles no allow fishbone choke u sha[/quote]u never jam hook for fish head

slimyem: Any meat that a fork and knife can't do justice to,i leave alone or if it looks too yummy to be left alone,i wrap in a serviette and take home!

And continue the battle at home

I go chop for one place during the 1 hour break at work. Battling a meat, the whole plate turned and splashed all over my white shirt. I used a newspaper to cover the spots, took the shortest route back to my desk, without greeting anybody along the way so as not to get noticed and quickly put on jacket(which I normally hang when I get to office in the morning and put on only when going home). I was in my jacket from that break time till closing. My friend that saw me started laughing at me and since that day anytime I'm in my full jacket morning till closing, he suspects something is wrong with my shirt, and he right 70% of times

Confirmed Judges
1, PhysicsQED
2, Coogar
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5,

I won't blame the president for that, but Reno. At such level he should confirm something before tweeting - which is his job. I won't attribute it to SR either, Reno should have reliable sources and not depend on news medium like us. He is an advsier to president.

Idowuogbo: Eeeemm... U might wanna take ur Zo mana to d culture section.

lmao

freecocoa: Is that how its written?
Ina jin hausa mana, ni ba nyamiri ba fah.

Tooh. Nagode sose

@Negro,

I am sorry I had to hide your post up there, not because you violated any NL rule, but because it can strongly interfere on the debate slated for few hours time. I will unhide after the debate. My apologies.

We have released the debate timeline and framework, pls check the debate thrread.

freecocoa: Zan mare ki fah, ba ki ajin soro ne?

Najin Hausa?

r231: Tomorrow nite at 3am

Ok, I'll help you tie him while the interview is on.