₦airaland Forum

Josh090: I don't know if he's Yoruba but he's from irra in kwara state, not Edo.

That's Yekini, not Yakubu.

CAMEROONPRIDE: i will do like i didn't see anything //anyway back to the topic this is savagery

Cameroon pride, how far? I saw the way you devoured Cape Verde

Irunmu l'owo.

I can name mine, but I can't name my partner's bad habit in an open forum.

Now my observation and comments:

1, If Nigeria had gone to AFCON 1996 and 1996, Rashidi would have scored at least 5 more that would have brought his tally to 42

2, I don't see Rashidi's record being broken in the next 20 years. Martins showed some promise at the beginning but he has also reached his twilight in SE

3, Many Nigerians that call Yakubu names will be surprised that he is Nigeria's 3rd highest goal scorer.

4, I see IK Uche overtaking Martins and Yakubu, and possibly Odegbami, to become Nigeria's 2nd or 3rd highest goal scorer in history.

5, Can we ever produce another Yekini?

6, Why don't we hear or read about this Oyakherua, who is Nigeria's all-time 5th highest goal scorer? Scored that many

7, With what we hear about Muda Lawal, I would have thought he scored more than 12 goals for Nigeria.

1 Rashidi Yekini 1984–1998 37 goals in 58 caps
2 Segun Odegbami 1976–1982 24 goals in 48 caps
3 Yakubu Aiyegbeni 2000 – present 21 goals in 57 caps
4 Obafemi Martins 2004 – present 18 goals in 37 caps
Ikechukwu Uche 2007 – present 18goals in 40 matches
5 Sunday Oyarekhua 1971–1976 17 goals in 28 matches
7 Samson Siasia 1984–1999 16 goals in 51 games
8 Thompson Usiyan 1976–1981 15 goals in 25 games
9 Jay-Jay Okocha 1993–2006 14 goals in 73 matches
Daniel Amokachi 1990–1999 14 goals
Julius Aghahowa 1999 – 2005 14 goals in 32 games

Source: wikipedia
12 Asuquo Ekpe 13 goals in 28 matches
13 Nwankwo Kanu 1994–2011 12 goals in 86 caps
Mudashiru Lawal 1975–1985 12 goals in 86 games
Paul Hamilton 12 goals in 26 matches
16, Victor Obinna 2005 – present 11 goals in 44 caps
17 Peter Odemwingie 2002 – present 9 goals in 55 caps

[quote author=Akanbi_edu]When are we gonna start?[/quote]It's actually last weekend of every month. October edition holds October 29-30.

Planning is still on.

We need 2 more judging criteria

We need suggestions for October topic.

Jenams: i am hungry for a hot friendly match between NIGERIA VS IVORY COAST

We are their wife. They beat us in 2006 & 2008 ANC (Drogba and Kalou)

I don't consciously do. It sticks to my sub-conscious after couple of months of using the car/no.

Still remembers all the plate numbers of all my past cars though.

Drogba is a great guy, always delivering in his country's jersey. These generation of patriotic and committed Ivorians deserve an ANC Gold before they retire. They've done enough. Too bad they will come after Nigeria in my support in SA 2013.

Senegalese are bad losers. They did same to Nigerians in their country when Nigeria eliminated them at QF in ANC 2000. Destroying Nigerians' properties in Dakar and going gaga.

Topic pls


SNC? Break-up or union? Guys, think.

Katsumoto: This is for Jarus as well.

What is the objective of these debates?

Is it to show the debating prowess of posters or to serve as a means of providing/generating ideas/different points of view?

I say this because, debaters may not necessarily agree with the position they have been assigned in a debate but will follow the rules of debating to win. For instance, if I bend the truth/fact, it is up to my opponent to point it out. But the judges can fact-check if it is pointed out by my opponent.

If the objective is for posters to demonstrate debating ability, then a debater can take any position. But if some good is to come out of this, then it is better for debaters to take positions they morally believe in or are being paid to believe in.

We will rework the modalities and judging criteria. For a political debate (as opposed to school debate) I personally think less emphasis should be on grammar and all that, or at best, it shouldn't carry weight weighty enough to singularly determine winner. It should be about who has the most novel idea, not who is the most eloquent.

We are introducing 2 new criteria to be centred on power of points/reasoning and dilute the weight of grammar and related criteria. Debaters will be chosen based on moral conviction about the topic, not temporarily aligning to that view just for debate sake. We want naturalness, so we can have a glimpse of what that debater will do if he takes position of authority. This means that we will settle for the topic first before picking debaters.

That will bring our criteria to 7, at 5 maximum point per criteria, that will come to 35 points(70%), audience poll will take 15 marks(30%). Polls shall be on for just 1 hour, so only those viewing the debate live can participate because we need to annouce results at the end of the exercise, which we are envisaging shoudl be between 2-3 hours.

Coogar remains a judge pls.

Edo-girl also replaces Talina on the panel.

I will release reworked position tomorrow by God's grace.

Topic suggestions are also welcomed for October edition.

psalmizt: @All can this debate just get started already Gosh, having to read through 15pages with nothing to show for it except for exchanges of jabs from the likes of coogar, gbawe, demdem,pointb, and even recently desola...

@Jarus, this is the 4th person requesting that coogar be disqualified from being a judge.. He is too much of a temperamental person plus he hasn't shown the civility expected of one that will judge others... My 2cents, and can we just get this debate started

fron the very first post on this thread I have stated that the debate hold last weekend of every month. That's still 2 weeks away. All these are just planning. No debate until 29-30th.

Sure.

None, but I can count on my fingertips the number of times I visited events, fashion and gaming.

home alone: goodluck 2 nigeria 3 vs 1 liberia
Goal scorers : Ike uche ,odenwengie, moses

Out of touch.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]@Jarus, I'm not sure you saw my post where I suggested that the NLers choose the winner of each debate. Since that post, a few other people have made similar suggestions and I'd strongly recommend that the rest of us have some sort of participation in choosing winners via poll - the idea of choosing the winners jointly (NLer and judges 50 - 50, 70-30 or ?) is not a bad one.

I also suggested that after each debate, the judges should work on a document which itemizes the key points of both sides of the debate for publication here on NL, where the document will be accessible for reference by all and sundry. The output of the debates could serve a greater purpose than we may be willing to envision at the moment. What do you guys think about this?[/quote]I already noted your first point in my recent post on someone that suggested 70-30.

Not yet adopted, but under review.

2nd point taken and adopted.

Johndoe100: I also have nothing against Edo-girl, but why always haters? Why would the replacement for the foreigner not be someone we want, why always a hater? If your bias is so great then let us at least have a foreigner. At least they won't be so implacably unpatriotic.

I don't even know much about edo girl. Hater to who? Hatred for what? Now this is irritating.


Disgusting how you dish out tags to everyone: haters, patriotic, arrogating to yourself prerogative to label Nairaland members.

That is making sense, we will consider that.

Fatgbem is easily one of the most popular independent filling stations in the Southwest, if not the most popular sef.

Chrisbenogor: 4. Grammer you mean obahiagbon style? Would some pidgin be allowed?

Only English. Vernacular proverbs, if used, should be translated to English.

Nothing wrong in Obahiagbon style, but what is important is correctness, contextual appropriateness, spelling, construction.

Unsettled matters

- Can we settle for Edo-girl as replacement for Talina or bring in another foreigner?

- Are the judging criteria I listed out ok, or can we modify further? What about Coogar's proposal?

Once we settle these, we can move to discussing topic for debate. Debate wekend is 2 weekends away, October 30 & 31. The 4 debaters shall not be arrived at until morning(by Nigerian time) of Friday, Oct 29. 2 days is enough for preparation.

JUDGING CRITERIA

1, Presentation(opening, flow, closing) - 4 marks
2, Logic of arguments - 4 marks
3, Strenght of facts & examples - 4 marks
4, Grammar - 4 marks
5, Demonstration of knowledge/understanding of the subject - 4 marks

Is this ok? Or can we jointly tinker with it?

Seun: A different thread should be used for each debate.

Yes, that's the plan. This thread will only be used for planning.

talina: Jarus dear, I said that I was not up to it...not that I couldnt
Thanks again for asking

Modified. Thanks.

Talina has asked to be excused from the judges, citing 'I don't think I am up to judging a political debate, thanks'.

Resignation accepted with thanks.


We need another non-Nigerian to be on judges panel.

Katsumoto: Agreed but let each judge have a unique ID so as to increase transparency and accountability.

Ok. Noted.

Ladies and gentlemen, let's move on pls.

Now, we are working on judging criteria and we need your input.

It's a 5-criteria judgment, maximum of 4 points per criteria, summing up to 20. So a debater scores a maximum of 20 from each judge, 5 judges, come to 100.

Can we have inputs on the 5 criteria to guide judgment?

Desola: i'll be the Lord chancellor.

Anyway,I am for the women and I nominate Sisi-kill, skyblue, isale gan.

Your wish is my command.