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Yorubas have been sold by one of their own

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godlessmind:
Don't be silly i didn't say i was better....fyi, praying to your sky daddy is like pouring water in a basket. if prayers does work Nigeria will be the most developed place in there world.

[/s] I cannot engage your foolishness further.

My dear brother, does your girlfriend do things that make you suspicious of her on a regular basis? If yes, then both of you should have a heart-to-heart talk ; but if no, then I suggest you find time to see a counselor, or preferably, a psychologist who is in better position to advice you on how to handle your dilemma.

godlessmind:
funny ppl every where, when did praying become profitable funny ppl every where, when did praying become profitable

You who does not pray, are you better off? Fool

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haddeylium:
I like that you chose to discuss this chapters of Hebrew scriptures.
Now, open your mind, and let's examine what's the Bible saying here

Did you study other verses of this chapter?
XHebrew 1 was discussing Jesus and other Angels
Hebrews 1:4- So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.

Now compare with;
Hebrews 1:9
You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”

That begs the question?
Who are Jesus Companions/Peers?

[/s] I am sorry but I do not know how to "open my mind " to falsehood, especially when it comes to something that is clearly nonexistent in the Bible.

Hear is something to ponder on :
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" (Gal1:8.). I think this scripture is a warning you should heed to lest you become "accursed ".

They have even penetrated the FCT? Hmm...may God deliver Nigeria from incompetent leaders who only know how to loot and reloot.

The end is really near. May God save us

haddeylium:
None of those points you made refute my comment or related to ur topic of discuss concerning Jesus' identity in heaven.

Jesus is name given to him in his prehuman existence...Agreed?
It's PATENTLY clear with my points and my other brothers own that Michael the archangel is the name and role, original identity of the Lord Jesus Christ in his prehuman existence and posthuman existence

I posted something to earlier. Kindly read it and stop this blind argument. And in case you missed it, here it is :

The archangel Michael is simply who the Bible says he is. He is the archangel Michael. There is not a single verse of scripture that says the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ.

"To which of the angels did God ever say, 'Sit at my right hand'?" -- Hebrews 1:13. Jesus could not therefore be the archangel Michael because scripture does say that Jesus will sit at the right hand of God the Father.

So from scripture, Jesus can never, ever be Michael. End of discussion.

My dear brother, I strongly suggest you confront your boss with the truth. The reason I say so is because of the following

1. He has been good to you ; and has never robbed you of your wages. So it would be unfair stealing from him.

2. There is the issue of blackmail which can come from the wife in future ; and surely, you would not want to be in a compromising position in future all because of $7300.

3. Then lastly, the truth setting you free : you will have to tell the truth regarding this matter : forget about destroying your boss's marriage ; or being arrested ; or having a tarnished image. You are only doing this because you want a clear conscience. And a clear conscience is far better than any earthly reward out there.


Peace.

Copywriting 101 spotted

digitalman2811:
Michael, referred to by some religions as “Saint Michael,” is evidently a name given to Jesus before and after his life on earth. * Michael disputed with Satan after the death of Moses and helped an angel deliver God’s message to the prophet Daniel(Daniel 10:13, 21; Jude 9) Michael lives up to the meaning of his name​—(“Who Is Like God?”​)—by defending God’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies.​—Daniel 12:1; Revelation 12:7.

Consider why it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus is the archangel Michael.

Michael is “the archangel.” (Jude 9) The title “archangel,” meaning “chief of the angels,” appears in only two Bible verses. In both cases, the word is singular, suggesting that only one angel bears that title. One of those verses states that the resurrected Lord Jesus “will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” (NOTE)not like an arch angel voice(1 Thessalonians 4:​16) Jesus has “an archangel’s voice” because he is the archangel, Michael.

Michael commands an angelic army. “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon,” Satan. (Note)we all know Jesus and his angels drove Satan out of heaven(Revelation 12:7) Michael has great authority in the spirit realm, for he is called “one of the foremost princes” and “the great prince.” (Daniel 10:13, 21; 12:1) These titles designate Michael as “the commander-in-chief of the angelic forces,” as New Testament scholar David E. Aune puts it.

The Bible mentions only one other name of someone having authority over an army of angels. It describes “the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance.” (2 Thessalonians 1:​7, 8; Matthew 16:27) Jesus “went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.” (1 Peter 3:​21, 22) It would not make sense for God to set up Jesus and Michael as rival commanders of the holy angels. Rather, it is more reasonable to conclude that both names, Jesus and Michael, refer to the same person.

The archangel Michael is simply who the Bible says he is. He is the archangel Michael. There is not a single verse of scripture that says the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ.

"To which of the angels did God ever say, 'Sit at my right hand'?" -- Hebrews 1:13. Jesus could not therefore be the archangel Michael because scripture does say that Jesus will sit at the right hand of God the Father. This is something simple and straightforward but you can continue in living in denial.

MaxInDHouse:
You said you can't argue with JWs but pray for them yet you've made up to seven responses all arguments NO PRAYER!
So think about the highlighted, are you praying for them or ARGUING with them?

I never said that. Better check and see who made that comment.

A1grade:
Please have they started sending mails?

That is good question. But so far I have no seen mail

MaxInDHouse:
I really feel for you my dear friend because you've responded more than six times on the topic yet you said:



So do you still remember the difference between PRAYER and ARGUMENT?
Because to me it's like saying "Please you're much better scholars than all other religionsts and i know you guys are fully competent and completely equipped in defending your faith with the scriptures but i just feel you guys are wrong cos everyone i know keep saying you guys are wrong"

You seem confused this morning. Who is talking about prayers and arguments? Abi are you hallucinating?

I am just impressed with this man and his choice of profession

haddeylium:
Do you now see why you can't explain why Lucifer and Jesus are called Morning Star?
What do they have in common?
Many people don't really know what Angel means. I understand their Outburst when Jesus is referred to as one.

The Hebrew word mal·ʼakhʹ that was translated to Angel in English means Messenger
So, any spirit son of God that is God's Messenger is called Angel!
Is Jesus a Son of God.... Yes!
Is Jesus God's Messenger ....Yes!


Another name Angels bear is 'Morning stars'

Your post does not make sense and it is filled with half-truths that do not connect with the true attributes of Jesus.

Now allow me list a very few of those attributes and let us compare them with the attributes of any angel written in the bible.

1. In whose name do people come to pray? Jesus (Matthew 18:19-20). So do we pray in the name of angels? No. That means Jesus is not an angel.

2. Who gives life? Jesus (John 8:51). And from the bible, do angels give life? No. So Jesus is not angel.

3Who searches hearts and minds? Jesus (Revelation2:23). So do angels search the hearts and mind? No. So Jesus is not an angel.

4. Who has the right to forgive sin? Jesus ( Matthew 9:6)
Now, in the bible, has God at any point in time, given ,
authority to any angel to forgive the sins of men? No. So Jesus is not an angel.

5. Who is the Life? Jesus ( John 14:6). Has any angel been called the "life" in the bible? No. So Jesus is not an angel.

6.You can do nothing apart from whom? Jesus (John 15:5). So do you need angels to do things? No. So Jesus is not an angel.

7. Who will judge the nations? Jesus (Matthew 25:31-32 ; Luke 21:36 ;John 5:22-23). Now from the Bible, has God ever committed judgment to any angel before? No. So Jesus is not an angel.



I could go on and on , but time would not permit. But do yourselves a favor and ponder deeply on this.

SonofIssachar:
Do I Really Mean What I Pray?

So He said to them, “When you pray, say:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us day by day our daily bread.
And forgive us our sins,
For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.” – Luke 11:2-4

Examine how well you live what you pray as you meditate on the following:

I cannot say OUR if I keep my faith only to myself and never share it with others.

I cannot say FATHER if I do not trust in His loving and complete concern for me, forgetting that He always answers prayers how and when He knows is best.

I cannot say WHO ART IN HEAVEN if I am so attached to the ways of this world that I neglect to seek God first in everything.

I cannot say HALLOWED BE THY NAME if I am unwilling to let His holiness penetrate my life and help me grow in my own holiness.

I cannot say THY KINGDOM COME if I am not using my life to bring His love into the world.

I cannot say THY WILL BE DONE if I live by my own ideas of morality or choose to follow the world’s standards.

I cannot say ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN if I am not devoting my life to serving Him here on earth.

I cannot say GIVE US THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD if I am not willing to be generous with whatever God gives me.

I cannot say FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES if I don’t want to put forth enough effort to change.

I cannot say AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US if I still hold a grudge, if I’m still angry, or if I still insist that other people change.

I cannot say LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION if I deliberately or knowingly place myself in a position to be tempted.

I cannot say DELIVER US FROM EVIL if I’m not actively fighting against evil through deeds of love and service for everyone in my life, especially those who cause problems.

– Author Unknown

You will succeed in Jesus Name!

Also read:

God’s Holding Patterns
New Pledge of Allegiance
How to Thrive During A Recession (1)

This is powerful. May God bless the hands that wrote this!!!

haddeylium:
Was Lucifer (Satan) not an Angel?
Are you even serious?

Your partner in crime believes that Jesus is angel Michael. And his belief stems from the title "Morning Star ", which to me is a very, very wrong way of identifying who Jesus really is.

haddeylium:
Revelation 22:16, KJV: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Maybe you'll remove this part from your version

Dude, your argument is super weak, because Lucifer is also referred to as "the Morning Star"(Isaiah 14:12), so what the heck are you saying? Or is this Charles' way of categorizing biblical beings just because they appear as titles?

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haddeylium:
Angels are morning stars sir!
So is Jesus (Revelation 22:16)

[/s]Point of correction : Your jesus is a morning star. Not mine.

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Kobojunkie:
Wrong! Jesus Christ warned you that the doctrines and traditions of men, which He declared were nothing but lies, have the effect of heaping curses on those who teach them and those who imbibe them. So it is essentially to understand the kind of curses that await you when you make the decision to join any group

_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}

souls you win into your cursed group will matter when Jesus Christ returns to judge you and your works.

[/s] Let Jesus be the judge of that ; not fools like you.

DappaD:
The Bible reveals that Jesus is both. Or you can argue with Jesus and Paul at Matthew 16:27, 1Thessalonians 4:16

@ Revelation 22:16, Jesus calls himself the “bright and morning star”, a phrase commonly used to describe the angelic sons of God. Job 38:7, Revelation 12:4

The bright morning star is now Angel Michael abi? Hahahaha...wow, you really are a comedian.

DappaD:
If you REALLY understand the times we’re in(Matthew 16:1-4), you’ll beg Jehovah’s Witnesses to come and preach to you. Just yesterday, Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide in 240Lands marked the annual commemoration of the death of our Lord Jesus in harmony with his command at Luke 22:19 and we reflected on the importance of the ransom sacrifice as a precious gift that applies individually to everyone of us. Matthew 20:28, Romans 6:23

So you see everything the Witnesses do is guided by Scriptures, not popular tradition.
Ephesians 5:10, 2Timothy 3:16
Thanks!

So Jesus now your Lord and no longer Angel Michael? Hahahaha...confusion has indeed been spread by Charles Russell Tuze

Only the wicked blesses the greedy.

This is probably how Dagrin started.

...and our government foolishly agreed to pay the sum 20 billion plus for the renovation of the National Assembly. What rubbish!