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Mynd44:
Nigerians are weird, you mystify someone by yourself and then start claiming he is chasing you up and down then you go back to claim he is being demystified.

Why can't aspirants just go to a primary elections with their supporters and vote? If the delegates are bribed or cajoled, why not do yours? I dont see how that should be a problem.

Only folks with inferiority complexes run about shouting

Surely that model wouldn't make the election fair since the outcome is almost certainly going to be determined by the size of the largesse.

I know it's hard to disassociate from the age long selling one's vote for peanuts model but electorates needs to wise up

There goes the evidence i need to validate my claim of superior intelligence to the moniker 12monkey


Jokes apart though, indicators doesn't suggest factual so treat them with caution.

What a fvcking disgrace

Our attitude to corruption will make it extremely difficult to make any in-roads curtailing it

SHAME!!!!

12Monkeys:
But only you talk say the visit wasn't official and so that's why she never met with any high ranking US officials?

Why you come dey claim say the visit was a bilateral one?

Again if you must insult your father do it in your reply.

I was obviously trying to educate you on the meaning of bilateral since you foolishly concluded it's only meant to be used when engaging in trade agreement between two countries.

12Monkeys:
Rubbish.


So a private citizen can represent his or her govt in a bilateral talks with another nation?

The George Mason University is one of a handful of federally owned and operated public universities.

VOA is owned wholly by the US govt.

The US institute of Peace is a US federally funded think tank research center linked to the CIA. Since its inception in the 80's , the US President has appointed retired CIA directors to head its board.

bilateral
bʌɪˈlat(ə)r(ə)l/Submit
adjective
1.
having or relating to two sides; affecting both sides.
"bilateral hearing"
2.
involving two parties, especially countries.
"the bilateral agreements with Japan"


Especially but not limited.

12Monkeys:
Lool.


Did she go as mrs Buhari on her own private visit or did she go as the wife of the president of Nigeria ?


FYI, the George Mason University is one of very few govt owned universities.

The VOA is owned by the US federal govt similar to CBS.

The US Institute of Peace is a US govt research think tank linked to the CIA.


So are all these not US govt entities?

And those any individual undertake a personal visit to iron out billateral talks?


You are really daft.


Please kindly tag out for your senior zombies to enter the ring.

You can only fool yourselves further and no one else.

Aisha Buhari is a big disgrace and it is obvious that this trip was all fake and that she never set foot on US soil.

bla bla bla

You still haven't distinguished why it's a state visit and thus requires full formal protocol expected for such.

Your idiotic self even went as far as suggesting Hilary Clinton who is busy on a campaign trail should alter her schedule to meet Aisha

How daft can one be for crying out loud?

The difference between a state visit, official visit, and working visit

The Department of Foreign Affairs recommends what level of visit a Head of State pays to the country. It could be classified as a state visit, official visit, or working visit.

What is a State Visit?

A foreign head of state visits, having been invited by the host head of state.

Arrival ceremonies include the playing of the national anthems of the two nations, a review of the honor guards, and rendering of full military honors, including a 21-gun salute for the head of state. The leaders then proceed to enter the State Entrance of Malacañan Palace, climb the grand staircase, and the visiting leader signs the Official Guest Book in the Ceremonial Hall, followed by a bilateral meeting and a joint press conference.

A state luncheon or dinner is held in honor of the visiting head of state. These usually consist of a reception in the Reception Hall of Malacañan Palace where the two leaders greet guests in a reception line. The state dinner is held either in the Aguinaldo State Dining Room or the Rizal Ceremonial Hall, which includes exchange of toasts. There can also be a cultural presentation at the end of the dinner or luncheon. The host country shoulders the costs for the visit for the official delegation only. This may include accommodations and providing vehicles for travel unless the delegation chooses to provide its own.

In this type of visit, the visiting official can have 8-10 (not counting the official) personnel as part of his official delegation.

State Visits reflect the highest level of hospitality, honor and formality in relations between nations. They often include extending the use of a State Guest House to the visiting head of state, the conferment of decorations, the exchange of symbolic gifts, and can also include an address by the visiting head of state to the legislature of the host country as well as visits to various national memorials and the inclusion of cultural activities.

In ASEAN, there is a tradition that the first state visit of a new regional leader should be made to a fellow ASEAN member nation. In the Philippines, a state visit by a visiting head of state invariably includes laying a wreath at the tomb and monument of Jose Rizal upon arrival in the national capital, and the rendering of arrival and other honors at Malacañan Palace.

What is an Official Visit?

This is when high-ranking officials (cabinet level to head of government) are invited to visit another country by its government. Honors are given if the foreign official is the head of government, but not so for cabinet-rank officials. No luncheon or dinner is required. The host country pays for the visit’s cost for the official delegation unless the delegation opts to provide for its own needs.

In this type of visit, the visiting official may have up to six (not counting the official) personnel as part of his official delegation.

What is a Working Visit?

No invitation is necessary for a working visit. An official meets with his counterpart to discuss issues concerning both countries. The host country does not pay for the accommodations or other expenses of the official delegation during working visits.

http://www.gov.ph/diplomatic-relations/differentiating-visits/

12Monkeys:
Jaybee3, you said it was a private visit and not official and that's why we did not see one single US official receiving her.

Then what do you have to say about this fake claim issued by Sahara reporters:



www.nairaland.com/attachments/4045278_doc419746540_jpeg37cd7719c5c63b8d323b072760c2e4f7

I knew that as soon as we begin to bust holes in this latest APC scam they will claim the trip wasn't official

Una suppose say no be everybody be zombie like una

The document above was issued by State House, Abuja!

How unofficial can that be, mr. Zombie

Sorry i can't help you if your understanding of English language is below par.
Bilaterial meetings with a university isn't a state visit

It's like expecting Buhari to have audience with Patricia May just because he appears to be in the UK for whatever reasons

12Monkeys:
Ohh. So what about that fake state house communique issued by Sahara reporters bearing the presidency seal?

If it wasn't official visit then why did Aso rock issue a memo on her travel plans?

Or did she go to US to do her hair?
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Again, bring all your insults to your father in your reply[/s].

Are you this retarded like seriously?

12Monkeys:
Lolz.

Your first lady visits the US and only has photo sessions with civil servants

It seems the fear of jefferson predicament is why no politician wants to be seen near her.

[s]Now go and dig up another insult for your father[/s].

I'm almost certain you wasted all his money on zilch education since you can't seem to understand the simple fact that she wasn't on a state visit

My new take is that you had better go and fill your porous brain with some Akpu or something since it's alarmingly obvious you are a waste pipe

My take is that your idiotic self can't even recognize you skipped your medicine even though it's glaringly obvious

room089:
I didn't see the harassment there, the police are just doing their work.

Exactly!!!!

I bet majority of the people commenting didn't bother to watch the video

It's technically possible for the police to have seen marijuana particles

It's not out of place for them to demand to see his documents

He was evasive with his answers and if anything, they were actually unprofessional cos they should have asked him to step outside

repogirl:
by questionable level of happiness, you definitely term 'happiness' to mean wealth.

Happiness isn’t necessarily wealth BUT happiness to my family looks like the following:
Being able to send our kids to the best school
Being able to match our needs and want with a great degree of affordability
Being able to have above par level of comfort

repogirl:
I still believe family first. Even Michelle Obama had to give up a promising law career to focus on her family. She chaired a few boards and earned some income but it was nothing compared to what she would have gained if she had continued with law.

Are we still talking about the common man here or we going to pluck anomalies and paint it as the norm?
How much was Obama earning at the time?
She could have earned more is a probability which frankly can’t be factored into the equation. It made economic sense at the time to support his dream because he was probably earning enough at the time or they had earned enough to allow them focus on his election. Barack was earning around $150K per annum at the time which clearly is upper middle class

It’s simple logic to expect a partner to focus on other things if money isn’t/wasn’t an issue

repogirl:
Maybe there isn't a proven hard and fast rule to successful relationships but if people chose to focus on their kids/family instead of wealth(success), maybe things could be different and true success could be achieved.

Finance is a key part of family so it’s impossible to ignore it when it’s clearly the second most important reason for divorce after infidelity

Teespice:
everything to them is about politics. APC/PDP.

notice how people talk with two mouths. these same people call fashola minister of darkness.

now that the man has gone on an assignment to make things better, they want his head.

what do Nigerians really want?

good morning sir.

They simply have a myopic attitude to everything

Teespice:
if you have a business which is growing or is under the brink of collapse, wouldn't you do everything necessary even if it involves wooing or begging (in extreme cases) just to get investors?

you cannot have a business and expect that investors look for you. it is you who has to go source for investors even if it means meeting them at their locations

have in mind that this is no BS as you put it. what fashola is simply doing is making things work ie the average Joe having electricity and what not. if going to other countries, delivering speeches and convincing the outside world to invest in the electricity sector is the way to go, provided that the funds are used for the intended purpose and is not diverted, then it is way to go.

phew.

Why are you wasting your time with the dude

He is still unable to define his so called serious investors

Investors that make real impact are: Institutional Investors and those aligned under the foreign direct investors

He has failed to explain why they wouldn't benefit from listening to the govt policies and in turn possibly lobby him to make necessary concessions that might be the game changer

He stupidly thinks networking events are only about sales pitches when it's clear communication also includes effective listening

repogirl:
you see how you are going off on a tangent unnecessarily?

Yes, the realities of life interfere with how the family should be run naturally and noone is disputing that but still we shouldn't make excuses and allow the dysfunctionality of the system to affect our families.

Ofcourse, life derails our plans but still basic things should be put in place to build a thriving home. Ask your fictional characters Joe and Cynthia if they prefer to put their careers before the collective happiness of the family.

I know for a fact that no man/woman enjoys being alone while their spouse is far away working for long periods of time and most women don't enjoy leaving their kids for long periods of time. I know this because I'm a mother and I am married.

These things happen, agreed but doesn't make it right. Our current system and all that is going on in the world today is attestation to the fact that there is something wrong in our families.

Ofcourse noone is forcing anyone to adhere to the basic principles of building a family. As you say, people should be flexible, but in that flexibility,put your family first before career or whatever else.

I’m sure I didn’t go off tangent since the scenario explained is what many go through in the pursuit of good life.

Success requires flexibility except it’s okay to accept status quo so the family can have a questionable level of happiness.

Yes no family will be happy being separated. I’m also certain you need to be flexible with your approach to achieve ultimate success


Bottom line which I’m sure you now agree is, there really isn’t a hard and fast rule to having a successful relationships. You have to do whatever it takes to achieve the collective defined success.

Onegai:
Pastor Adeboye's view is too simplistic. Anyone can pray for an hour, cook and hold down a job. That doesn't make them fit for marriage. Finances actually tend to destroy marriage more than domestic skills, so I wonder why we keep harping on the latter as the be-all and end-all to a good marriage. And as for men expecting their wives to contribute financially to the success of the family, very true. Women should also expect men to contribute domestically to the success of the family. If I'm working fulltime, giving my kids the best of my talents as a mother, I will be too exhausted to be the world's greatest wife, because I'm a human being and I'm allowed to get tired. So my husband should step up and share that burden, same as we share the financial burden. Because things have changed, most of us grew up with an extended family unit as kids so our parents didn't hire maids but now we are very much a nuclear unit in our society.

We are saying the same thing.
A successful marriage requires collective input and it ought not to be defined since the players are expected to navigate curveballs during the marriage.

Having a mindset that the man should always be the provider cannot work since you can’t necessairly mitigate against a curveball such as one losing their Job/main source of income. So many families are struggling because they’ve stupidly relied on a single income financial module.

Same goes for the man that doesn’t want to contribute domestically or whatever when clearly it’s almost impossible to marry a do it all robot/slave.

repogirl:
Men should be able to cater for the home and women should be able to care for the home. The Pastor addressed both needs clearly.

Says who?

Just imagine how ridiculous your statement is when clearly that rule cannot be set in stone because of obvious world/economic dynamics

Here is an example for you to ponder on:

Should Joe blogg leave his wife who is temporarily working away in the middle east just because she can’t perform her duty of taking care of the home that includes a young child?

Should Cynthia Blogg who struggled hard to earn an MSc in Engineering degree with years of experience abandon her career because according to you Joe blogg is meant to cater for the home?

Should Joe Blogg be allowed to develop avoidable stress just because he isn’t able to earn enough money to support the collective dream of the family?


I would plead with you to embed the spirit of flexibility in you if you aren’t currently married as that’s a recipe for disaster

repogirl:
This is simple logic. Noone is asking you to be rich. Just have a job or something legal doing that makes end meet before considering marriage.

What's so hard to grasp there?

It's hard to grasp when you restrict the need for the man alone.

Lilimax:
I have seen some marriage counselors whose marriages have failed yet they are very good in counselling people about marriages.
Having a successful marriage is not just the only criteria for that

Experience is the best teacher

Besides, counselors are meant to only provide an enabling environment for effective communication

zicoraads:
I don't think the pastor goofed. People have the tendency to sensationalize statements like this and pick only the lines that interests them.

He certainly did because economic realities and advent of gender equality has changed the dynamics of historical phenomenon.

zicoraads:
Let's face it, it is the man's responsibility to cater for his family. It shouldn't be the wife's duty.

That’s the exact mind-set that makes most men demigods in Naij. Success marriages requires flexibility and collective effort. You don’t go into a marriage to define roles and responsibilities. It’s simply a team effort

zicoraads:
If it becomes hers, then the man is no longer the head of the family. He didn't say the woman too should stay idle, but her role should be complimentary and not the one in charge of providing finances.

Finance shouldn’t be the determinant factor of who becomes the head of the family. That’s a recipe for disaster.
The head of the family should be the one with supreme leadership qualities. It’s simply as simple as that

zicoraads:
What I think he was trying to discourage is this recent trend of some men trying to shift the total financial responsibility of the family to their wives.

A man trying to shift financial responsibility is a lazy man. However, it’s technically possible for the woman to earn more than the man so do you expect the man to slave away so he can be your so called head of the family when clearly the dividend of the marriage will be equally shared

You simply have to understand you can’t generalise a statement when the context could be easily interpreted differently

AntiWailer:
Seriously why should a man without a job marry ?

It is lack of conscience that makes a jobless man have a hard on.

His mind should be too occupied to have an errecction.

Why should a man with a job marry a liability?

Dynamics of the world with respect to earnings and expenditure as changed so it's the norm that couples contribute to the success of the family.


The pastor goofed with the message even though his intention had to do with importance of finance in marriages. Expect his gullible followers to start demanding heaven and earth when clearly there isn't a lot of eligible bachelors to choose from

UjSizzle:

It's an open secret that the Chinese govt manipulate their economic indicators so how come this alarm isn't attracting the right attention

Oya school me madam economist

I love luxury watches so nothing wrong in owning them IF you can afford them

Daddy fucking GO making a ridiculous general baseline statement that can't be applied individually since we all want different things

There is nothing like diversity with these fraudsters

agabaI23:
Nop, I am not saying that. Did you read my post where i said that any looter should pay up or be ready to face the law? Whats the point telling me about 217?

I knew you would bring the issues of those two and remember i asked whose company was sealed before Bens? Sealing only 2 coys after Silverbird is just to tell the public, it is not just him.

Go check the list published by Sanusi and see who topped. Dangote. He is still there dnd give us s proof he has paid off or he us servicing it.

I am above petty arguments yea. I am also above the deception of APC. Why is no one investigating Buntai for starters?

Are you telling me that 217 current members of PDP are the only rogue politicians?

Like i said before, let the rogues vomit their loots however you should not use the so called fight against corruption which is openly sectional to silence opposition. If you dont see it in that light you are being insincere because i know you are smart.

It's unrealistic to expect all 217 debtors to be members of APC

It's also unrealistic to expect a business man like dangote with unserviceable loan to not have crippled the banks they were sourced from. Besides, dangote is a listed company meaning all their profits and liabilities are expected to published yearly.

It's even laughable for anyone to think the anticorruption campain won't be disproportionate since the principal actors in previous years were in PDP

Having said that though, the likes of buratai and dambazau shouldn't be exempted from probes

Beremx:
Thanks so much Sir. God bless you. The business is starting soonest.

Insha Allah i will be able to patronise your business once fully set up