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Novacaine:
@JayFK
Did i stutter?I don't see anyone else in this room

You're a fucking idiot

Novacaine:
@JayFK
He did add lesbos! next time read carefully before responding to peoples post.Besides my sixth sense tells me

Dont be fucking stupid look at what I quoted, his post was recently edited. "next time read carefully before responding to peoples post"

Novacaine:
you are a gay

I certainly hope that was not directed at me.

adebisi1:
Obama has made the entire black race happy, this gives us hope, faith and strenght, the black race is no longer inferior, we on the edge of producing the strongest man in the world. if you are black and proud, pass this to every black person

The "Black Race" has never been inferior first off, speak for yourself dude. IQ 132 here
Secondly Obama being black, does not somehow improve Africa or Nigeria they will still be the same shitholes they have always been even though Obama becomes president. He has an obligation to the Americans not Africa or the "Black race"

I find it funny that people celebrate a Black becoming president, like it will somehow make your life or your country better solely because he is black

The fact that you feel inferior, hopeless, faithless and weak prior to Obama being the Democratic party nominee does not mean you should project onto the "Black race"

Coming from a guy that said he could cure AIDS I wouldn't put it past him.

dee02:
Gay people should not only be b-headed, they should chucked down the latrine!

It is disgusting and all the fucking butt pirates of this world deserve to die by the most gruesome methods!

Yeah because what two consenting adults do behind closed doors is suddenly your business. I bet you dont think the same way about lesbians.

Anuli ph:
I've always believed it.

that blacks are less intelligent than whites?

I think she may be hanging in the race, so that her supporters can keep on donating. After all she is like $12m in debt. Also its possible that she may be using her position as leverage so that he can put her on the ticket, but I don't think that's the way to go if she wants to be VP.

I do think though that Obama can do well without her, basically he needs the Clinton supporters which are the females and a lot of the blue collar votes and the people who require experience in a president. He needs to look for a female governor or senator or someone blue collar workers will like down in the south.

However I think any of the Clinton supporters who refuse to vote or vote for McCain out of spite have to be pretty fucking crazy to do that, because Obama and Clinton share most of the same views on major issues concerning America. Its just not in your interests to vote for McCain unless of course you're a soccer mom, fake liberal, female over the age of 70 who will soon die anyway, racist or a blue collar worker who actually thinks The Mac is gonna help you get a better job.

imhotep:
Now (without reference to the five proofs above) give me ONE proof for the non-existence of God.

You cannot prove the non existence of god just like you cannot prove the non existence of an invisible purple beetle in the sky. You cannot prove a negative.

And Aquinas philosophical proofs you just stated, do you really want me to copy and paste rebuttals from the internet?

OLAADEGBU:
If there were no God, there would be no atheists but because there is God therefore we have atheists.

For one to make an absolute statement that God does not exist must have a blind faith since he does not have 100% knowledge of every natural thing he sees.

you obviously don't know the definition of faith or atheist.
Define those two here then post your argument and see if it makes sense

Religion as defined by Thefreedictionary

re·li·gion (r-ljn)
n.
1.
a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

someone please enlighten me as to how atheism qualifies as one of these?

imhotep:
With the right resources, you can prove that Santa Claus does not leave in the North/South pole, among other mis-yarns like that.

But you can have faith in the same NEGATIVE. Not so?

simply put, if you agree that it requires faith not to believe in Santa Claus, Ill agree that it requires faith not to believe in god.


Make sure you define faith first before you reply, so we know what we are agreeing on.

imhotep:
The main quality is the glaring inability of atheists to provide a convincing, objective proof for the non-existence of God.

The burden of proof lies with the person asserting something, You say there is a God, so you are required to prove it, I dont understand why you keep on shifting the burden of proof to atheists. If I claim that there is a computer in an empty room, who is required to prove it the person asserting the claim or the person denying it?


What you people dont understand is that atheism DOES NOT require belief or faith, it is simply A LACK OF BELIEF

imhotep:
Atheism is a religion that believes in the non-existence of God.

Because atheists cannot disprove the existence of God, they have to rely on faith to believe His non-existence.

Faith, afterall, is the substance if things NOT SEEN.

A most apt description of atheism => beilief in the non-existence of God.

Therefore according to this I can say I believe in the non existence of santa claus rather than "I don't believe in Santa Claus", I can safely say it requires faith not to believe in santa claus and it applies to you, right Imhotep?
You cannot prove a claim of something "spiritual" or "non existence"

I thought marriage was supposed to be a major life decision? You're looking for someone to spend the rest of your life with, I dont understand, why rush it?

lystola:
even scientist themselves are begining to doubt their own theories, they are discovering artifacts that they themselve are testing and are saying all support the theories in the bible, they found the ark of Noah, and after doing the carbon dating found it matched the exact period in the bibe, even recently i heard there are groups of archieologist trying to locate the garden of eden. firstly why should anyone believe a set of people who even dooubt themselves, who are not even sure of there own theories. i'm into science but i realize that science actually has its origin in the bible, i can also tell you that virtually all scientific inventions has its roots in the bible, do you know that the submarine was created on the inspiration of Jonah's experience in the belly of the fish. They are begining to accept the truth of creation but they are to proud and egotistical to accept defeat. Personally i got a question for all who believe and support evolution; Where did the material that evoluted into us come from? you define matter as anything that has weight and occupies space, and that all things are composed of matter, now where did matter come from, and what evoluted into matter, what is the matter that evoluted into the raw materials and tisue that formed life? and even if evolution is true, why is it so difficult ot replicate life? why can you create another life without a life? why do you have to rely on another living cell to reproduce another one? because evolution is simply saying life evoluted out of nothingness, then why can we create another life out of nothingness? make life out of nothing? Evolution is more like an uncompleted search of an endless journey.

lol where do they get these people from? lmao

Obama/John Kerry ?

one would think al qaeda would have better things to do, bombing the "great satan" and all.

All you people that are saying dont, this is his best friend were talking about

Geez get a fuckin' vasectomy or something! What are they, mormons?

lucabrasi:
don't know about GOD'S colour and i wont go there if i were you because thats botherline blasphemy in case you don't know,but from a research sermon from my pastor(pastor mathew ashimolowo)and a book he s written backed up by a lot of evidence it has been proven that jesus christ wasnt white but sorta half caste and his mum was a black woman, if your interested along that line then check it out on www.whatswrongwithbeingblack.co.uk it ll make interesting reading

lol your kidding right?

Jesus was a jew, obviously he was not white. He had olive skin, like Jews, Arabs and other Semitic peoples. His mother was not black. It does not make it so because you wish it so.

I always thought god was red and pasta like, like the flying ravioli monster.

Rastafarianism is probably one of the funniest religions in my opinion, just a gross misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the bible. But hey whatever floats your boat, at least you're peaceful and your not hurting anyone so its all good, unlike some other religions, MALSI.

I notice that the aftermath of previous probes is mostly unknown, it just kinda fades into oblivion? Can someone enlighten me?

If not, why havent they done so?

m_nwankwo:
@Huxley

Thanks again for your submissions. You have raised a lot of issues all at once. It will take years for us to exhaustively discuss them. All the same I will attempt to address some of them as briefly as possible

1. There is God and his power. Every other thing small or big, visible or invisible is a gradation of the power of God that has a form or can be reproduced as a picture. All creatures are not only the power of God that has taken form but each form also uses the power of God to maintain its existence. The power of God carries all the basic elements for things that has come into existence, are in existence or will be in existence. The power of God has several gradations. There is a gradation which only God uses. Forms that arose out of the direct power of God are perfect and without flaws. Those creations and beings that arose out of the direct power of God have no free will. Then there are creations and beings that arose out of the indirect power of God, that is, when that power has been stepped down and transformed. Worlds and beings that arose from this stepped down power have the potential to develop to perfection through development. Therefore the spirit of man is not actaully a direct creation of God but an indirect creation of God. Since he has to undergo development to become perfect, man was endowed with intrinsic faculties including the free will and the antenna to sense the will of God. That is why the human spirit was originally created as a seed or a spirit germ. Just like a physical seed can develope into a fruit bearing tree only when sowed on a fertile soil, the human spirit seeds were sown in the world of matter so that by experiencing, they will mature and develop to perfection, thus instead of a seed, they become a self counscious spirit with a name, a personality and with the ability to be transformers for Gods power. This experiencing is only carried out by the free will. The free will is a part of the human spirit and does not reside in the human body, much less the bodies of the various animals you mentioned. Although this is a crude analogy but it will hopefully convey the picture. The power of God can be liked to nuclear power. The nuclear power in itself is neutral, neither good or bad but stands above these concepts. However its APPLICATION can be good or bad. It can be used to provide power to millions of people but it can also icinerate millions if this power is applied to nuclear bomb. Thus the power of God is neutral, the application of this power can bring good or evil. God applies his power only for good since God is the origin of all goodness. Man applies the power of God for either good or evil according to the way he excerises his free will. The power belongs to God but man has the God given ability to mould this power into good or evil forms. Since the power does not belong to man but a loan from God, he is accountable to the loan giver (God) on how he uses the loan (Gods power). Therefore the flaws and the imperfections you see arround you is a consequence of the wrong application of the power of God.

2. Yes God created the free will as an instrinsic aspect of the human spirit. Free will is the ability to make free decisions. Once a human spirit has taken a decision, God knows the consequences but God does not seek to know a decision before a decision is made. You can liken a free will that has not been used in making a particular decision as a blank page in a book. Once decisions are made, it changes from a blank page to an inscriped page. God cannot read the blank sheet since nothing is written on it but he can read the inscriptions in the written page even when the author has forgotten that he or she at one time inscribed those pages. Is it not an irony to demand that God finds a labtop in an empty room. Yes the posibility that some men may misuse there free will was foreseen and that is why he was equipped with a powerful spiritual antennae that will always protect him or her from falling. God will admonish man to tune to this antennae but cannot not force him. If he chose not to listen to this antanae, then that is his choice and catastrophe will be the consequnce until he looses the privelage to develope to a fruit bearing seed. I will return to this point later if it becomes necessary.

3. Changes in nature are normal process of development. For the time being I will remain with humans so as not complicate the picture. All the natural catastrophes you mentioned are within the normal cycle of birth, development and death. The difference is that if men had follwoed the will of God, they will be told by servants of God precisely where those changes will take place months or even years before the occurence. Thus neither humans nor animals will ever be harmed by natural earthquakes, volcanic eruption, sand storms, tornadoes etc. It is because we have lost this spiritual antennae that we either do not see the warnings or ignore them as the hallucinations of a mad man. Hopefully, I will perharps share a personal experience on this very point.

4. Sure I believe in evidence but in my view material evidence is just one part of the evidence, there is spiritual evidence too. You are right to ask for evidence for my pontifications. Unfortunately, I cannot provide you material or scientific evidence as of the moment. I can only give you spiritual evidence. However I believe that I and others will one day come up with scientific evidence that the earth was one paradisical. Since you do not by your belief consider non material evidence, I will say excersise some patience, the material evidence to back the spiritual "pontifications" will come. In the same token I believe that humans are actually far older than the reported 150000 to 200000 years. I am confident when more DNA samples from these bygone times became available, it will be easy to shown that the human body as we know it today is not the way it was hundreds of thousands of years ago.

I enjoy discussing with you and look forward to more engagement on this topic. Stay blessed.

Nope the flaws are solely the fault of the creator not the creation,
I have a question for you "Can perfection bring about imperfection?"

1. I dont understand how there can possibly be a wrong application of "the power of god".

2. I guess that means your god aint omniscient

3. One cannot help but wonder, why the lord in all his wisdom created those things in the first place.

I have another question for you though. Supposedly the earth is over a billion years old and with time species have emerged and have disappeared, there have been lots of genes each competing for dominance, dinosaurs and mammals all competed for dominance eventually mammals won out. I assume you believe in evolution? ) and eventually man established dominance. I have to ask, what was the point of the evolution of man, the competition of genes and the conflict prior to the emergence of man? I assume god intended that man have dominance? Also did the prior species of man i.e Australopithecus, Homo erectus e.t.c. have freewill, access to "heaven", Do such concepts apply to them?

it still amazes me that people think "Black" is a mentality.

Kobojunkie:
Compared to how many billions and trillions of dollars slaves made for their own black people who sold them over a period of hundreds of years to caucasians, Asians and the rest of the world?? You mean compared to your ancestors who benefitted from selling their own brothers and sisters to get rich quick and also to bolster their stand in society?? Compared to the money the many child slaves we have in africa today make for their masters each year for years now??

I mean let us not be hypocrites here. Africa owes them reparations as well for all the money we gained by selling them all off and using them to build our different empires for hundreds of years as well.

QFT

I bet some of these idiots were defending Peter Popoff with the "touch not my anointed" line

bawomolo:
Christians have struck again

lol
These people are delusional.
Okay, someone claims he healed someone from cancer
1. Verify the person had cancer, check the medical records
2. Verify the healing is not from treatment
3. Verify that it is indeed a miracle.

Surely that cannot be that hard to verify? If so, why has there never been one verified healing from these quacks? lol, this is just weird to me.
I swear to god, I once heard a christian tell me, I went to the hospital for malaria and god healed me lol.

"biggest sin in christianity? to think."

Einstein = Pantheist

bawomolo:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/70966_noname_jpg928489693f1655693336a78a0808d119


that's what am talking about.

lulz

imhotep:
Now you are getting dogmatic.


You can start by disproving, improving or extending one of Einsteins theories comprehensively. Then I can start listening to you.

https://www.asiucsb.org/media/images/einstein.gif

lol you're a joker, you don't deserve to be taken seriously

No dude you're the one invoking Einstein as probability that god exists and I'm getting dogmatic?
"The first person to accuse the other of sophism is usually the sophist"

How does disproving the theory of relativity prove that there is god? This is ludicrous

You've managed to mention that one scientist may or may not believe in god and therefore it is right? The quotes I've posted there refute your horsecrap.
How about the other notable scientists who do not believe in god?

lol I'm not pursuing this argument any further, because you've failed to make any sense whatsoever.

my best song
Echo by Trapt
Prayer by Disturbed

I cant even listen to modern day hiphop anymore. The only thing is listen to is Rock, Jazz and early 00's, late 90's rap.

imhotep:
Good questions. Now you see the limits of logic. Logic CANNOT completely explain the physical universe. What can you learn from this?


In this case A = Albert Einstein.
B = God at work behind the scenes in the universe.

No one has ever studied the structure of the universe more than Einstein; and he contemplated God at work behind the scenes.

Many other scientists are still studying his works till this day. What can you also learn from this?

for godssake it is a LOGICAL FALLACY. I'll let this one go, since I'm obviously not making sense to you.